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Jodera:
I fit pity nelson, but you see willock.
Na straight to crystal palace him suppose dey go

Just as we have been discussing, right now these players are not producing anything, then very soon their contracts will remain one year and they would begin to itch for more playing time . The best thing is to
1. Loan them to a weaker PL side (like Crystal Palace as you mentioned)
2. Sell them to a weaker PL side with a buy back clause anytime he wants to move
3. Add a sell-on clause, in case he blows but not to our required standard

We do not have to suffer after investing and tolerating so much bullshiit only for the player to now turn Hotkid immediately after leaving us.

iamoyindamola:
Willock and Nelson should be next No time!!!

Willock, our asst captain?

iamoyindamola:
Go and read it up, Sancho and Nelson grew up and played together

The Sancho that Man Utd wants to pay 100m for?
So why sell Nelson?

iamoyindamola:
I can't pity Nelson because he and Sancho were like twins

Which Sancho?

Jodera:
I think this is the issue of our back and forth..
So lemme ask.
1.. If you acknowledge that there's an opportunity cost and he turns out good like debruyne, what will you do?

2..Also, what would you do the mitigate the negative effect of the opportunity cost you're acknowledging.

If you can answer this two, I would love to hear your view

Thanks for asking.

1. Like all opportunity costs, you rue your losses.

2. Restrategise in case of future occurrence. Such as including buy back clauses, or bonus payments for future deals if the player moves to a higher club.

A club like RB Leipzig has affiliates in other countries where their prospects can move to. We can decide to be feeding a club in Germany, Holland, France or Spain.


NB: As you can see the argument is to just acknowledge that you missed something.

iamoyindamola:
Especially when the player have one good season, he will request for transfer immediately na that player club suppose loyal to?
Rvp transfer still they pain me because the idiot had just one good season before he requested for transfer and wengay have been nursing his injuries since forever

This is not about ready made stars like RVP or stubborn players like Ozil.

It's about players who are young unearthed raw talents.

I mentioned Andy Cole.

Do you know that Cole played for Arsenal before Newcastle who then sold him United?

The story holds that the coach then, George Graham chose Kevin Campbell ahead of him.

It's like Wenger choosing to sign Walcott instead of Bale. Even when Southampton asked him to collect Bale instead. Imagine if we got Bale, this your stupid Walcott is better than CR7 would not have come up.

Jodera:
Nobody says he's passed his peak. We just said he can't see him as a upcoming potential again to hold down a spot. So why not sell him and get someone who can do that job greatly. That's the point. Iwobi is another example, he's good but he has so many flaws, best biz is we sell him and buy and top player that can give us more than iwobi. If iwobi shines elsewhere, then fine, it comes with the business, but we shouldn't brood over something that is past(except if the trend keeps repeating and we're getting worse off).

Likewise, if we can sell Niles and reinvest the money properly, nothing will concern us if Niles is shining elsewhere (except he turn messi) as long as our own players are shining. Simple.
Gnabry just shine well this season oo, if we're playing like man city or Liverpool, do you think you'll give a fvck about gnabry?

Simple. Good enough. Everything you said here meets my point. We are good.

Jodera:
No, it's good you restricted it to arsenal, cos as iamoyindamola says, arsenal have one of the average youth academy products. So he challenged you to bring players who went and become superstars like gnabry is for Bayern. Even me sef I'm finding it hard to find any.. Lol.

See, there'll always be opportunity cost, in every business, there'll always be losses, it's just ensuring your profit exceeds your loss or as Blueray said about risk mgt, you count the cost of one for a potential big profit. I remember us having Sanchez the duration gnabry left us, would you think I would want gnabry over Sanchez then? Since gnabry wants a transfer, we sold him and get our profit while Sanchez is giving us the results. The reward is greater than the risk and that's what blueray is trying to tell you since. Niles is at best a squad player for arsenal for the past how many years, we should sell him if there's bid and use it to get a good top player. If he succeeds in another club fine, if not, good luck to him. I'm tired of Wenger philosophy to be honest, no more time..

You can't find any? I listed 6 bro

And I said apart from Kane others won CL.

He even talked about Diarra as if he's shiit. The guy was a major player for Real Madrid.

What of Sylvinho? He was a major player for Barcelona.

All of them had the same effect on fans as Gnabry.

I am not saying we should be crying. I am saying no one knows tomorrow.

We can sell AMN because we think he is average, but that doesn't mean he cannot find his stars.

I will sell AMN for a good price, but I must also acknowledge that there may be an opportunity cost.

Jodera:
it's not necessarily true. Lukaku is shining at inter, but looking deeply, you won't say man u lost. He doesn't fit to their style of play so it's a win win for both parties.
There's high tendency that even if gnabry had stayed with us, he wouldn't reach such height he's having now. That you sell a player and he turns out good elsewhere doesn't mean you lost....


But for the rest, I think we understand ourselves then

Different reasons could make a club release a player like in the case of Lukaku, playing style. If Ozil leaves and turns to Messi 2.0 else where we will understand. But and but, we lost something. Yes we may have gained somehow, but we lost something.

AMN brought up the argument, releasing him as a surplus may turn out in two opposite ways, but if he blows we lose the buying club gains. It becomes an opportunity cost to us. If he flops it's our gain. It could go either way. For someone to conclude that AMN has passed his peak is being short sighted and ignorant.

@ Jodera

I restricted it to Arsenal so that iamoyindamola will not think it's only other clubs that make mistakes and every player Arsenal released must be useless.

For Madrid, who told you they exchanged Scnieder and Robben for Ronaldo? Even if that was the case, there was still an opportunity cost as both players went on to peak further especially Robben and could have saved Madrid in those few years of mediocrity. The luck they have is that they have enough money to replace missed alternatives/opportunities.

But like I said, these things are normal. It's a game of win and lose.

Jodera:
Lol...
This your clap back to Sod09, you no try for here at all
In fact eh, I don't want to break down your list one by one, cos either all the players are sub players or bench warmers. And don't even call me Kane sef.
Plenty things to say sha, but if I start typing, I fit type epistles. Funnily, you didn't even drop valid players sef (like kdb for Chelsea)

But one thing is certain, blueray and Sod are very correct. For every Gnabry you'll call, there are 10 wilshere which we would have sold long ago. For every gnabry we might regret selling, there are thousand of diabys we would have sold since. We need to be ruthless. R.Madrid did away with sneijder and robben, but they brought Ronaldo. No Madrid fan will regret such move.

It's even surprising that it's only you that's clamouring over gnabry. From most opinions here, nobody send am. So let's chill, it's not as if Niles is world class. As long as they reinvest the money into better signings, it's a win win for us.

I think you miss my point. I am totally in for all you posted here. No arguments at all. Players come and go. Some do well some flop. Some are early risers some are late bloomers.

My point is that releasing a young prospect has an opportunity cost. It sounds familiar, but we need to acknowledge it in our discuss.

Some clubs go back to get those players, some move on. Which ever the case, there is always an acknowledgement that whenever a released player finds his stars, the club lost.

Having secured two defenders. We now have the big need for at least two midfielders. A defensive and an attacking. The later is especially if we are not sure of keeping /using Ozil.

The fact is that with this new drive for quality, we are in dire need of midfielders.

Let's keep our differences aside and discuss Saturday's Community Shield with Liverpool.

For me, it's good it's coming in the middle of transfers so that we can easily assess our squad strength and depth.

My first 11, which I think Arteta should make a mix of experience, youth, new players and fringe players,

Saka .......... Lacazette .......... Pepe

................. Smith-Rowe................ ..

.... Xhaka.......... ............... AMN......

Tierney... Luiz.......... Saliba.. Soares

........................ Leno ........................

Subs

Aubameyang (in case things go south )
Nketiah
Willian
Nelson
Ozil
Elneny
Holding
Martinez

iamoyindamola:
You gon let the scummy cry you told me to be nice to motherless Chelsea yesterday.
Practice what you preach

Lol
Will show them scummies Big Brother love

iamoyindamola:
Í agree with him AMN can only be average at best same with ox and iwobi

What

odizeey:
Up Gunners

You're quite welcome son.

iamoyindamola:
What are we saying what is he saying
We are talking of arsenal products
Harry kane still trophy less and left at a young age
Carlos Vela very average
Lass you mean lassana fvcking diarra
Sylvinho went to Barca for the right price
Ox still sitting on Liverpool bench
Bros apart from gnarby which other arsenal academy blow

They were all once Arsenal players that were let go because we felt they weren't good enough.


Saying Sylvinho went for right price makes me question your thinking. Why not browse first.

The point is not even letting them go, but to acknowledge that we can make a mistake. Blueraydick saying we cannot regret selling AMN that he has past his best is despicable and totally insensitive having no atom of regard for the player.

iamoyindamola:
I'm waiting

Study this list carefully though certainly not exhaustive. I am restricting it to Arsenal though I must not.

1. Andy Cole
2. Harry Kane
3. Carlos Vela
4. Sylvinho
5. Oxlade Chamberlain
6. Lasana Diara

Let me stop here.

These are young Arsenal rejects that went on to succeed. Apart from Kane and Carlos Vela who refused big move to Madrid, others won titles including UCL.

Big Think.

odizeey:
Thank God say your opinion na just right, not law.

Let me salvage your dying reputation. Go and win a League cup and come back for forgiveness.

BlueRayDick:
Baba I Don tire already. Let's just accept we have different opinions on the same matter

You lose.

Mind you it's not really a matter of opinion but of mindset or mentality.

iamoyindamola:
After gnarby who else We are waiting

If I mention one more player, will you accept and apologize?

iamoyindamola:
How many of them have blown?
Only gnarby and we won't hear word, that's how wengay kept wheelchair till he became useless.
Now West ham are blaming themselves for buying, bar gnarby tell me another of arsenal youths that have blow
If a player will be good you will surely know from his youth days, arsenal youths are the most useless abeg if you remove nketiah and saka.
Smith rowe have mad potential but the boy is lazy other club youth players are already stamping place in the squad arsenal own will be doing 'i want to play in my preferred position'

So Gnabry is not enough excuse to be cautious? The difference money wise for missing a player that blows can sponsor the academy for 3years. One player can sponsor the academy for 3years.

odizeey:
Yeah. Chat with your mates. Leeds United won the championship

I rate them higher than you shitty club.

BlueRayDick:
If u must know, I hold a masters degree in Risk Management as such I understand fully what risk is. There is risk in every business decision one takes, so singing that there is a risk in selling Mitland-Niles to me is just raising alarm over a non-issue. What makes or mars a business is knowing which risk to take and which not to take/take and manage.

Mitland-Niles staying and ending up like Theo Walcott is a risk......Mitland Niles leaving and turning out to be a superstar is also a risk . But u have to do analysis, look at historical records and take a decision. At this point sentiments are taking off the table; u look at how well he has fared in the team vis-a-vis the oppotunities he has been handed, his potentials and also history of players like that in the past....How many of them turned out good?

If the club is putting him up for sale knowing all these things me and u may not know, I believe they know what they are doing.

I already told u those players u mentioned had limited playing time at their respective clubs before they were sold, Mitland-Niles has played well enough. He played under Wenger, Emery and now under Arteta.

Knowing that there is a risk is not the point. But hastily concluding that he cannot do better than what he has already done is it.

Go through your comments and see your subtle view. You are like let's sell AMN, we won't regret it.

If you deny this, then you win.

iamoyindamola:
Keeping him till 26 and he becomes a scrap material clubs will be bidding 5m for
Arsenal best deal last season was selling iwobi for that price

What if he blows next season? That was how Chelsea sold KDB calling him surplus and now he is EPL best.

I am not against selling, but we must accept it comes with a risk. Selling AMN for me is a big gamble.

odizeey:
Otem cage you there.

I just dey wait make season start.
Make willian no jazz up first.

I hate chatting with people who won nothing. It's not my fault. Failure has no friends.

BlueRayDick:
You like to quote people out of context to drive home whatever point u think u are making.

I pointed it out to u that at age 22 Mitland-Niles has had 53 EPL senior appearances for Arsenal. This was obviously not Gnabry's case, neither was it Fabregas or Pogba's case.

I'm talking about letting a player that has not impressed coaches and fans with his on and off display but u are talking about academy players that weren't given chances by their respective clubs allowed to go and then growing to superstars elsewhere.

My point was clear from the onset of this discuss that players like Walcott were allowed to stay despite their inconsistent display over the years and Arsenal as a club regretted that decision.

In my opinion it makes no sense keeping a player like Mitland-Niles till maybe 26 years despite not breaking into the first team. It only makes sense to sell him and have other players fill his slot. I'm not God and don't decide what people will become in the future but Niles has not shown the potential that should make us keep him as of today

I get your point here. But when I mentioned Gnabry, someone we sold believing then it was the right thing but now turned out a far better player leaves us with regret- with that I compared him with AMN and you opposed.

My point is every young player a club sells is a risk taken. An opportunity cost. That's why some smart managers add a buy back clause- just in case.

You are like selling AMN is not a risk, like he CANNOT be better than what he is now.

And how the hell can you say his case is different from Pogba, Fabregas and Coman?

The trio above had even worse case of reject than AMN.

More names for you to ponder: Depay, De Bruyne, Pique

odizeey:
This club still dey exist?

Who free you? Oya enter your cage back

BlueRayDick:
The same way a whole lot of our other youngsters have turned out to big stars àbí

Everybody understands Gnabry's situation. There's no way he would've gotten opportunity he got in Germany if he had stayed in England hence he had to be allowed to go. He played in an Era when Arsenal still had enough senior players that kept him out of the team for as long as possible.

At 22 he already has 53 EPL appearances within 3 active seasons and u are saying his case is like that of Gnabry. Abeg let him go if it will guarantee bringing in New players that can hold down a shirt and step up when they are called upon to do so.

I've watched Mitland-Niles now and at best his potential is just average, nothing promising about his game. I don't know about u sha.

I will leave the decision to him and the handlers. But personally I have seen potentials in AMN since Arteta came in. Before then he looked distraught, but one cannot deny his tactical flexibility and positional awareness. A huge quality modern players like Kimmich, Saka etc are developing. AMN is surely one for the future. If he wants out no problem, if Arsenal no longer needs him no problem. But his talent is unique. No doubt about that.

Just for memory sake...

Man Utd resigned Pogba for 80m
Barça resigned Fabregas for 35m

Not all these decisions are cheap.

Letting academy players go will always be. But concluding that they will never reach stardom is myopic to say the least.

Ask PSG how they felt when Kingsley Coman scored that goal for Bayern.

BlueRayDick:
Did Gnabry get to play and anybody concluded he's not good enough?

Are u comparing Gnabry's case with Maitland 4cking Niles?

Do u know how many coaches have given Niles opportunity to play and he's not lived up to expectation?

As far as I'm concerned Niles is just like Ìwobi that refused to hold a place in the team and just needed to go.

I don't know if some fans are so sold-in on Wenger's style of managing the team where players that are potentials will be allowed to stay in a team for so long till they are aged and still potential; but I learnt my lesson from Walcott's case. I will always be vocal about allowing such players find their way out of the club ASAP. Never again should any player be a Walcott kinda potential

This post is very insensitive.

And for the emboldened, the answer is a profound yes, just as it will be for any prospect that has passed through this club. I have faith in all our youngsters and hope they accomplish great things. I accept they should move on if they want to. But we must consider it as a risk taken because these lads can and i mean CAN turn out into big stars.

BlueRayDick:
They are both not good enough for Arsenal. I don't see anything wrong in selling a player like Mitland-Niles provided he's sold for a good fee.

I will never object to his sale. He's not someone we will regret selling.

Like we didn't regret Gnabry