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Rob Hold ng could just be as good as John Stones whom City are paying over £40million for, and we just got him for £2million.

Meanwhile...
Chuba Akpom could be another Nicholas Anelka, ...

The 17year old Wenger entrusted our goal scoring responsibilities in our 1997 league triumph.

Rob Holding could be as good as Stones whom City is paying over £40million for…

lekkie073:
arsenal managerial acumen saw established players like sagna, clichy, van persie, nasri, fabregas, etc move to clubs where they ended up winning what arsenal management couldn't win in 10 years and counting

We sold them for profit. Chelsea even gave us extra chop money for Fabregas head. My point on Pogba is that when a player is not giv!en adequate opportunity he may not realise his potentials. When this happens, the club loses more...

chrisley024:
Youth players you keep brandishing, how many of your youths are even in your 1st team?

Other things you wrote up there are just bollocks; you're trying too hard

Few managers give youths a chance as much as Arsene Wenger, Mou does too but that is if he buys them.

On Pogba, I think he represents a monumental failure on managerial acumen from United. As a youth if he was given the chance Manure would not be paying a world record fee for a player they once had but let go for free.

diggz:

I think say una be the richest? Plus UCL no fit help una compete ni?
Shyyyyyyte of a club.....Lol....

I wish you WENGER!

sod09:
u never see anything
Even Martinez go play cb dis season

Tufia kwa!

Arsenal fans rejoicing Per got injured only to hear than Le Coq will replace him.

Wenger ?!?

elrony:
Anu mpama, weren't you the olodo that insinuated juve paid nada for him?...

get sense you no gree!!..olodo360 talking from the 8 sides of your severed mouth... useless onye akwukwo abani

Idiotic Nwa Mkpi, may amadioha use your testicles to play table soccer if you don't show us a reference to how Juve paid transfer fee for a 19year old free agent.

Isi ekete, you have been disgraced!

kokaneprodigy:
What do y'all think abt Coq being converted to a CB? read he's been playing in that role in preseason/training.
Considering he's physical and agile coupled with the fact the DM might be too congested to accommodate him right now(play time wise).

Wenger and Gazidis na thunder gi fire them. Coq for CB when Schar and Mustafi are available for less than 25milla

nateevs:
Was watching on Chelsea TV. I don't know if it was online.

Give us a breakdown of Chelsea line up and formation. I am interested in what Conte wants to do.

elrony:
olodo360 get sense you no gree!

since you are too dull to research, juve paid about 800k for the Lad!
iti bolibo! !!

You talk like a useless child that has been offeree as sacrifice to the gods. Distorting truths just to sound nice. A player who left for free and a TOKEN was paid as royalty for his training. Was 800k his transfer fee?
Isi ekete
basket head

Really I wouldn't mind Ben Yedder for £8m, as a backup plan. Giroud just needs competition. Meanwhile Wenger and Gazidis should just fek out the £40m Lyon is demanding for Lacazette.

Greatihex:
Remember, there was no Drogba to compete with lukaku in 2013/2014 season when mourinho gave him his chance. it was only a mediocre torres and an average ba. Yet lukaku could not start ahead of them. Mourinho put so much trust on lukaku and we saw how he repaid him by passing the ball to neuer.

But comparing Lukaku then and now is not fair to the lad. Also why can't we give him the benefit of doubt?

Lana1:
I see u've still reserved the right to be called the dullest poster in dis section. U've fufu brains and little wonder u exhibit the traits of someone with the IQ of a church rat.
Now answer Yes/No.
Did United win a trophy under Moyes?? Was United trophyless in d last three yrs as u originally claimed??

If United had been trophyless for the last 3 yrs, then why should we claim Arsenal won a trophy last season??

It seems that changing your moniker from Adelana1 to Lana1 actually turnd you into a headless chicken, we have not forgotten that you are still AdeMuMu1. Your foolishness is on NL archive.

Arsenal has the record of FA cups wins after our back to back feat. If we wanted it soooo bad as the ambitionless Mumu United, we would do it over and over again. Winning the league and UCL matters to us now, so keep your FA cup. By the way I asked you first, didnt Arsenal win the community shield last season? Never in your mumu mind think of us as trophyless again.

Lana1:
U literally quite daft. And i no blame u. Bîgkesh don already claim say u no get anything upstairs.

Admit United won a trophy under Moyes, and i'll admit ur useless club didn't go trophyless last season.

You are a legendary MuMu!

So I am to tell you whether Manure won title or not..

Rubbish packing is of better use with yourr basket head

diggz:
Spy360

Which of the gods you offend? This one wet everybody dey after you so....

Truth is bbittter

Lana1:
When we won d same community Shield in 2013, did u and ur fellow îdiots here not claim United went trophyless?? So now, all of a sudden, the community shield is a major trophy bcoz Arsenal is involved.....
U are very stupïd!!

Only if that empty calabash of a skull on your head can make a simple analytical statement without jumping from pillar to post ...

Shame nor gree you admit say we won something last season?

joeace2020:
While martial was leading united to an FA cup...giroud was busy starring at his mirror. The funny thing is every arsenal fan knows Giroud is pure Sh1t. But hey he is your God and there's nothing anybody 'should' do about it...by the way I saw one of your gayner brother actually fantasising on this same thread about the possibility of snatching martial shud he leave united....The same martial your Giroud whose goals have won you so many tournaments sh1ts on. It's even funny how block heads here think that Arsenal can even buy martial when wengay is penny pinching with common lacazette.

So SHITT is better than Martial? This is the height of senselessness...

After we learnt Giroud was even better than Martial...
Chineke Imela ooo...

joeace2020:
Arsenal bids £29.4m for a player whose club turned £30m+ from another team. Arsenal to return with improved offer of £29.5m ....

The greatest delusion ever is being an arsenal fan. A club with a manager who sole aim is profit making. Can't just stop laffing at this joke club. At a time average strikers are going for 35m+ wengay dey bid 29 for lacazette...terrible man

Well our 'stingy' coach found it hard to over pay for a striker Giroud is better than. For lord's sake, Giroud was even better than Martial Mumu United signed for £56m.

elrony:


we finished 5th and with a trophy too... and currently without ucl footie!

and yet players with guarnateed ucl footie are leaving their respective clubs to sign for us,that's the magnificent aura of a big club...

unlike your useless midget club without a vision!..

olodo360... there you have it! !

Shame nor even dey catch you, elronke...

Save for our stingy manager, everyone dreams to play at the magnificient Emirates with a guarantee of UCL every season.

Despite our inactivity we still dey boss una, how much more when we become active. Buy all you like na 19mins we go use neutralise una for Emirates.

Mugu FC

elrony:
olodo360 man utd hasn't paid yet...buh we sha gonna pay!
juve still paid for Pogba even if na 1 naira... iti bolibo

Nwa obanshi, tell us how much Juve paid or your belle go sour with purge.
Mumu United.

Lana1:
Last season's shortcomings can be blamed on LVG's uselessness.
But with d players we signed last season, we sha dint end trophyless. We still won something. Tell us how many trophies Arsenal won last season. Oh wait, the "We beat Leicester home & away trophy". Oya clap for ursef.

There he goes again with the trophylessness buhaha. So we won the Community Shield for you abi? Now that you have signed more players I hope you win the Champions League too.

elrony:
and Assanal with ucl football cannot attract ordinary 20 mil player hahahahahahhaha
what's more shitty than that?

Gayners sef!!!

Upon all the players wey una sign last season where una dey?

elrony:
Pantaki Come and correct this your iti bolibo with 360 foolishness. .. Juve paid for Pogba !....

Isi ekete tell us how much Juve paid and how much manure is paying...

Lana1:
19 yrs of unlimited UCL football and winning Fa Cup every 9 yrs + St Totthenringham(whatever) day.

Which player will see all dat and wont run to Arsenal first chance he gets?? Just ask Vardy and Benzema.

We can pay a world record fee for a player we let go for free 4 seasons ago. Eating our vomit in a big way. Heheh...

raumdeuter:
Spy360, I agree with what Ibime is saying here.

If you have a young player on the brink of making first team and Barcelona send one of their young players to you on loan. EVen if your own player is slightly less talented.

If you play your own youth and he picks up form, he is yours and benefits your tram forever, If you play the Barcelona youth on loan and he performs, Barcelona would just come at anytime to tap their finger and collect him back then you are back to square 1 or even worse.

Unless you are a lesser club with no hope of getting anyone of that quality, you wont even invest energy in developing a loaned player who would eventually be taken away

The Coman example, Coman is literally a Bayern player now only that we would pay for him 2yrs after getting him, and Bayern gave the first option of refusal.

If he flops Bayern lose just 7M, If he blows, we would only pay 7M plus the 21M. 28M for a winger

I accept totally the point made. All I was trying to say is that...

The onus is on every player to make the cuts. You don't just sit and expect to be put through a talent mill. Apart from the Coman example, there are players that have been sent on loan and shone like stars. If you have to compete with an equally talented player, then bad news. But basically, you are expected to earn playing time if you're on loan, if not your career is over.

Ibime:
Kingsley Coman's loan is a €14m Euro loan fee with an option to purchase at €20m ie they have already started paying the players full purchase price within the loan structure.

At the end of his loan, Bayern would have paid €34m for the player. . . . . or a €14m penalty for misuse of the talent, if they choose not to make him permanent.

He is therefore virtually a Bayern player and would have to be really crap not to get opportunities. Such structure guarantees opportunities, and only a really washed player will fail to capitalise (eg Falcao at Man Utd).

A traditional loan however would pay £0-£1m for use of the player over the year, with no incentive for the loaning club to develop the player especially if they have another player who is close to the level of the loanee.

A traditional loan is Serge Gnabry, a youngster who played so well for Arsenal 2 years ago, only to be told by Tony Pulis that he is not good enough for West Brom after one appearance. Are you kidding me?

Tony Pulis does not care about the development of the player and would not take the time to develop or coach him into what he wants. A privilege that was afforded to Jonathan Leko, a 17 year old similar style of player from West Brom academy who is afforded the coaching, effort and given ample game time as soon as it looked like West Brom would be secure in the topflight. Pulis simply has no incentive to coach Gnabry, but he has to coach Leko.




Boga is not better than Dembele, rightly so. But Dembele himself is good enough to take 1st team shirt at Chelsea.

My point being that the fact a player did not get games on loan is not evidence of a player's worth. In Boga's case, this was a bad loan because he was put in a no-win situation against Rennes best player and biggest asset.

Even if Boga and Dembele were equals on the pitch, there is ZERO CHANCE of Rennes giving Dembele's game-time to Boga, as their plan is to sell Dembele at season end for good money. Why would they lose millions in the name of "fair competition" while helping Chelsea develop their player?

Your point is noted and accepted.

My point is a loaned like Serge Gnabry is expected to meet a minimum standard to play for WestBrom, if he doesn't thereby giving the manager the excuse of using his academy player, then Gnabry is useless for a club as Arsenal.

If a manager spots talent, he develops it and uses it. If the player does not improve then one of two things becomes obvious
1. No talent
2. The manager failed in his job.
He could not spot the talent or he could not develop the talent.

There are cases where no 2 was the case, example Pogba and Lukaku. There are also cases where no 1 became the case~ no known examples, they never became popular.

Having said that, in the case of RLC, I think that the manager failed to develop him.

diggz:
Roflmao.......
How you dey sha? Hope u gud?

Brother I dey.
I hear Guadiola and Mou dey use style avoid each other.

diggz:
Spy360.....
Right on Monday morning you just gats collect.....

I was only inviting him to the discussion.
Bigkesh so person nor fit play with you again? Waka!

kokaneprodigy:
If The bolded is true then it's all Wenger's fault, I'm not saying he should spend recklessly like manure on some average player but he should be fast in making his decisions when necessary. I'll find it difficult to forgive him for using Giroud as the only striker all thru last season not just cos I'm a fan but he also disappointed our players e.g Ozil, niggar could have easily made PFA last season but lost it due to Wenger's adamance.
Imagine the nonsense Kroenke said abt not buying stake cos of trophies, which player will want to force a move to arsenal after hearing that nonsense.
We don't pay ridiculous wages and he doesn't want to gun for trophies, what then will attract top notch players?

Our stinginess has become annoying to even non fans, so much that even when we make a high bid they fear we are under paying them.

Wenger and Gazidis have killed us. My hope of a new striker for next season is with Akpom.

Ibime:
Stop yarning nonsense. Clubs also take players on loan to fill their squads.

Kingsley Coman is on a 2 year loan costing Bayern 7m a year plus 20m purchase agreement.

That is a finance lease, which confers the risks and rewards of ownership on Bayern. . . just like your phucking car note!

Serge Gnabry and Jenkinson from your useless club are two niggas really on loan, not Kingsley Coman.

If you are on loan just to fill the squad then you are more useless than initially thought.

Kinsley Coman was on loan, whether it was a lease or not. A loan deal can be made permanent depending on the contractual agreement. Even Torres was on loan last season at Athletico,.

nateevs:
How can price tag not be relevant? How many kids at 19 are sold for £12m? In fact, in football after talent is considered, age is a direct reflection of transfer value. Where that ceases to be the case, the subject in question falls under exceptional. You cannot expect a 19-year-old Messi to cost the same as Charlie Musonda. Why? Exceptional.

So when a Messi at 19 costs his new team £12m, he goes there, in the worst case scenario to be at the door of the first team and in the best case scenario, to play. Not to announce himself to the manager. He's already known quantity. Very different from the case of Chalobah.

Why are we bring Luis into this? Does Zouma(19) at £12m and Luis(28) at £12m mean the same thing in football?




It's not what I say, it is what can happen. Moreover, I tried to push the point of the manager having no need for the player (and hence no requirement to field him). I tried to make that clearer than the "psychology" point of view but you have clearly omitted that.

Now deliberately fusing the psychological element into it, when a manager declares that they have no imperative to develop players from other clubs, and furthermore states that you (loan player at 20) stand no chance, one will be grossly simplistic to claim that this is incapable of denting a 20-year-old's confidence, thereby affecting them psychologically.

How is this not clear?

Just to add.

Rumours linking Chelsea to Lukaku and United's push for Pogba speaks volumes. THEIR MANAGERS DID NOT PUT FAITH IN THEM. Shiit happens, but there are shits you just can't take.

Let Pogba go to Juve for free, got him back for a world record fee? £86millions? THAT'S SHIIT