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I hope to God you are not a Muslim.wntioning God and Jesus in mockery isn't what we do.

AntiChristian:
What are your own pastors using?

Tithes will lead people to hell!

Tithe will not lead people to hell again!

God drank their tea!

Maybe na Lipton tea or Top tea! Abi which brand does your Gods drink? Jesus may like Milo while Holy spirt Richoco! The father will settle for Bournvita or Suco (aka eruku oshodi)!

Awon oniyeye! People wey suppose keep shut!

"And do not argue on behalf of those who deceive themselves"

"But if they intend to deceive you -- then sufficient for you is Allah"

You want to me to beg you to like Muslims or reconsider your opinion about us . I would rather be stone cold dead.

Whatever you say we are, we are. We know who we are and we don't care what you think.

You don't determine the truth. We are the truth. And God is the best of judges.

Please mention away. I will not engage in healthy discourse with any of you. You are insincere liars and I won't waste time to convince hateful bigots.

Matyrs are called terrorists anyways. Nelson Mandela was once a terrorist too. Western propaganda don cast in 2024. Tut tut Israeli dog!

My death has been written and it will happen the time appointed for me. It can be now, today or tomorrow. My only prayer is may God be pleased with me and give my family the strength to bear the loss.

And for you, please don't die! I dare you not to die

DoctorAyukebot:
You sound no different to a terrorist, people who can't tolerate others opinion and engage in a healthy discourse. You would do us a lot of good if you cast yourself as the next Matyr. I would mention you, anytime anyday. If you not ready to be engaged on Nairaland, do delete your account. Intellectual Ignoramus!

If you like give support or don't give. The ultimate reliance is on God.

“Soon will ye remember what I say to you (now), My (own) affair I commit to Allah: for Allah (ever) watches over His Servants.”

So away with you, Shayateen!

You remain evil.

Whytelyon:
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You will insult, throw tantrums, then come back and bomb, then seek support. When you do not get moral support, you become an Antagonist. Now you are here insulting me, and israel has killed Sinwar, Not me. I will not take side with your imbecility, neither will i talk with you again, but i assure you of one thing, with this type of thinking you wont go far.
If you are not a fan of trouble, do not take trouble to the outside world. You do not preach a religion with violence, when they return the violence you become annoyed. You are not a mad person.

Take your stupidity to mosque and pray your allah guides you rightly. If he does not guide you, I can provide visa services to you so you go to Lebanon and fight for your allah. You dont like Israel and US and the UK, yet you want to go to their Countries.
Take your foolishness and co very far away. I am done talking to you.

I don't want you to ever support Muslims. We don't need your support. Let them kill all Palestinians and all Muslims. You can't defeat people who don't believe that death is the end.

It is 2024. You are entitled to choose foolishness and gullibility. It is your fucking problem. A lot of people became so aware this 2024 that they had a complete rethink about their views on Islam. You can choose to be evil and hateful. I won't be responsible for your afterlife.

Whytelyon:
You expect me to support muslims with this behavior of yours? You expect me to support muslims with what happened in October 7? You expect me to support muslims, chanting allahu akhbar after destroying lives on 9/11? You expect me to support muslims with the church they burn in the North? You expect me to support muslims with killing christians in Jos, Kaduna etc. You expect me to support muslims that when Christians welcome you to their Countries , you rape their women and burn their churches there? Do you really expect support?

If you basically cannot answer those 4 questions without bias, you are one of them and i wont waste my time with you.
You can go. No point wasting my time. Wear cloth and go fight Israel for your Allah. You never know anything.

They were stupid questions that were answered.
You don't deserve courtesy. I refuse to give you that. You are a Zionist and You are actually evil.

That land argument was silly and so despicable. I hold that belief over Zionists. As if there were only Jews, as if some didn't become Muslims and Christians, as if people haven't migrated back and forth those lands thousands of years because of wars and before islam or the ottoman enpire. It is a cruel argument and the reason we are here today.

I will actually take Islamphobes over Zionists.

Whytelyon:
You cannot talk, without insulting people. i asked 4 questions, then you started with insults, if i insult you now, you will say that is how Christians behave. You can take care, you are not willing to learn.
Bye bye.

This is why!

You know what would be interesting. Let's revoke my claim to my lands in SW.

Now, I no longer qualify to be Yoruba because my ancestors were pagans. Therefore I deserve to be booted off my land and we shall give it to African Americans who practice paganism and identify as Yoruba or anyone that identify as Yoruba.


Except me because I am a Muslim.

Whytelyon:
Let me ask you 4 simple questions. Was there Palestine when King Solomon was King? Where was Palestine when David Defeated Goliath and his 6 cousins (including the one with six fingers on each hand) Where was Palestine? The world has UN, Why would they value the rule of the Ottoman over the Rule of The united Nations which mean peace, than Ottoman's? The temple mount you built your mosques on, is it in Israel or Palestine?

If you can answer these questions, without bias, the real owners of the land will come infront of your eyes.

Palestinians have David's DNA, Jesus's, Moses.

Nethanyahu doesnt have a drop of It! - He is an eastern European through and through.



I see you have no clue what you are ranting off because you would know it isn't about the damn name.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine


Oyo state could be renamed Akala state and it doesn't stop belonging to its residents and the people who have a long history there. It is name given by the Romans to that region. As a Muslim, It doesn't make me entitled to declare Mecca as my rightful place.


And the people that established Israel are 100% Europeans whose religion and culture is Judaism. If they were descendants, they can die for all I care. I am not going to go Osun and start fighting for land after thousands of years because my ancestors have a history in that place. It doesn't give them right to kill indigenous people because they are the chosen people.

I hate stupid people. If not, why are you asking me questions that lack critical thinking. I genuinely feel for the people around you. You are even more silly if you are using UN mandate to justify colonialism. If life was fair, you deserve every evil in it.

Whytelyon:
Let me ask you 4 simple questions. Was there Palestine when King Solomon was King? Where was Palestine when David Defeated Goliath and his 6 cousins (including the one with six fingers on each hand) Where was Palestine? The world has UN, Why would they value the rule of the Ottoman over the Rule of The united Nations which mean peace, than Ottoman's? The temple mount you built your mosques on, is it in Israel or Palestine?

If you can answer these questions, without bias, the real owners of the land will come infront of your eyes.

They will have to kill all Palestinians before the fight stops and then defeat death too.

Israel twists our jihad & matyrdom into a narrative of vandals

And the West twists our Jihad & matyrdom into a narrative of terrorism

And the world follows us today

If we didn't know who we are, we would've believed them

We could've feared, fled, surrendered and raised the white flags

But since we know we are upon the Truth and upon Islam.

and that we perform jihad for our faith, for a message, a duty, a land, & a people

We cannot surrender

Death is death

The good have died, the brave have died, the careless have died

All will die, so why be afraid?

You are definition of Apa omo. You are also spinelesss, gullible and an insolent liar. Let them slap you and steal your father's land from you.

He is not a terrorist, he is a matyr.

Please don't mention me, I don't care about insincere liars and hateful bigots.

DoctorAyukebot:
Is he the first to be born in a refugee camp? Others cropped out from a refugee camp to make the world a better place. He chose to be a terrorist and died like one. From the look of his dentition no 72 virgins for him

A liar and mumv

You are the embodiment of insincerity. I am not going to waste time with a heart filled with hate and insincerity. You are not first liar or mumv who desperately wants attention, I have told you what you are. Be proud of yourself.

Successful are the believers.....those who avoid idle talk;

I leave you for the day your fingers, forelock and heart will testify against you. You are necessary evil.

Elusive001:
You dey whine me ni?

Forget this your emotional blackmail. Taqiyya no work and you think say emotional blackmail go work.

You inferred that your terrorist brothers treat Christians well or if I may say better. I asked for proof, you ran away.

Who is the liar here? Show me just one source that proves me wrong. You can fabricate one, no problems. Just show me one.

I am waiting.

Born in a refugee camp and died fighting. The cycle continues..

If they come for your father's house, give it to them. As for the Palestinians, they will sacrifice themselves and their generations and they will wait with their Lord until every man is called to account for what he used to do.

No. I genuinely believe you are gullible and a liar.

I am not about to waste time today on a person who says 'Christians can't hate Israel". To God, I question your intelligence and your existence. I am neither sad not angry with you. I don't even feel pity for you, it is you and God. Your fingers will witness against you to this day.

Without you, this world would be a paradise. Hell or paradise isn't now. Your existence and Israel's are necessary to prove that we are still on earth.

Elusive001:
Read my exchange with the person you quoted. Eh dey hide. I dey wait for am here.

We are sad and happy that Sinwar is dead.

Who promised you immortality?

MessiReturns:
Sinwar and Nasrallah are dead

Indeed, we belong to God, and indeed, to Him we return. May God be pleased with him and forgive his shortcomings.

And for the rest of us may we be mindful of our every action and remember death in every second of our life and may we meet God when he is most pleased with us!

Never think of those martyred in the cause of God as dead. In fact, they are alive with their
Lord, well provided for—

rejoicing in God's bounties and being delighted for those yet to join them. There will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve.

They are joyful for receiving God's grace and bounty, and that God does not deny the reward of the believers.


Those who were warned, “Your enemies have mobilized their forces against you, so fear them,” the warning only made them grow stronger in faith and they replied, “God ˹alone˺ is sufficient ˹as an aid˺ for us and ˹He˺ is the best Protector.”

So they returned with God’s favours and grace, suffering no harm. For they sought to please God. And surely God is ˹the˺ Lord of infinite bounty.

Still gullible and a liar

This year was the best thing that has ever happened. We thank social media for it.

Elusive001:
[b]".......Converts from Islam to Christianity face intense persecution and risk their lives in Gaza and the West Bank. The son of a high-level Hamas leader famously converted after growing disillusioned with the radical life of terrorism he’d always known. Mosab Hassan Yousef secretly accepted Jesus as his Savior, helped the Israeli authorities thwart Hamas terror attacks for a decade, and eventually had to flee to America because of threats against his life.

Christmas in the Palestinian territories surrounding the Holy Land will not be easy for our Christian brothers and sisters. Keep them in your thoughts and prayers during this season......."[/b]


https://cufi.org/issue/pray-christians-threatened-violence-territories-control-palestinian-authority-hamas/

You keep citing western sources. You are gullible and you are a liar

I find it interesting that some christians will let Jews kill Christians because of their hate for Islam.

Not for money or power, just pure undiluted hate. .

You cannot make this shit up.

Elusive001:
[b]".......So I am a liar and hell is my abode?

Let's see who is the liar and who is headed to hell.







On the other hand, Gaza’s Christians live under Hamas’ governance, a Muslim Brotherhood-linked Islamic militant group. During the volatile period of 2006-2008 in Gaza, Islamic militants killed Rami, a Christian manager of the Bible Society bookstore. Several other Christian leaders later left the strip after facing several death threats from militants. While targeted violence against the Christian community thankfully have not occurred in recent years, Christians are often treated as second class citizens as a tiny minority in an Islamist governed territory. This is especially true for individuals who decide to convert to Christianity from a Muslim background. These individuals, whether secretly or publicly, face rejection from their family, culture, and Muslim religious leaders, and are considered as apostates and traitors deserving strict punishment. While such cases are very rare in the Hamas monitored and controlled religious atmosphere in Gaza, those who have made the decision to become Christians have lost home and family to protect their own lives, often by going into secret hiding......'[/b]



https://www.persecution.org/2023/11/15/beaten-down-but-not-forsaken/

Not surprised about the source one bit. Israel is working too hard.

Good thing we have social media. You should vary your social media feeds, the people have spoken.

Elusive001:
I am the liar and hell is my abode?

Let's see who is the liar then.

https://ucs.nd.edu/learn/palestine/

[b]"......On the other side, Christians are squeezed by the policies of Hamas—the Palestinian offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood—which came to power in 2007. The reign of Hamas began an insidious Islamization process from above and especially from below, which was deepened after the Arab Uprisings of 2011 and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in neighboring Egypt.

In 2007, shortly after Hamas gained control of the Gaza Strip, extremists firebombed the last Christian bookstore in Gaza City on two occasions and abducted and killed the bookstore’s owner, who had maintained the store for years despite receiving numerous death threats. Although this level of violence against Gazan Christians has fortunately not continued, Christians in Gaza today are targeted on the basis of their religious faith in ways even more acute and systematic than Christians in the West Bank and Israel. Christians feel coercion to convert to Islam, while Christian women experience harassment and pressure to cover their hair and adopt Islamic forms of attire. In general, Christians are made to feel like second-class citizens, despite their Palestinian patriotism and historical affinity to the land......'[/b]

That is not what Lebanese Christians and Palestinian Christians have said o. A lot of them still spoke up this year.

You are a liar and hell is your abode.

Elusive001:
Sensational headline you got there.

It is not about Christians and Muslims bro. You can never make an average Christian hate Israel.

Do you know what Christians in Lebanon and Palestine suffer in the hands of Hezbollah and hamas?

I cannot help you if you cannot comprehend. You make reference to greater when you make Jesus' birth to continue to make a big deal about his birth.

Take your time to read the verse below - That is the creation of Adam

[So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.

So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own ˹creation˺ breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.” - 38: 71 vs 72]

Now what are you going to do about this verse about Adam now?

I like your new claim but not clever because Qur'an calls Jesus, Son of Mary and I assume you know how Mary came to be? That is not a contradiction. He is Mary's son and his mother went through the whole human labour. And he doesn't have a father no more or less than Adam.

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The word is to serve, not praise - Everything God created is made to serve him. Water isn't a living thing, but when God wanted to destroy Noah's people. He used water. Everything that exists is in full submission to him because he is the best of creators.

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Make a decision if you believe in God because you argue like an atheist. I can't imagine someone saying God has human attributes, instead of humans are bestowed with limited attributes. That is what atheists say. You are now saying it doesn't matter. It matters. No one has God's attributes ever. We have powerful men, but none as powerful as God.


Kukutenla

Equivalent of 15 000 in 2022

Once upon a time, western media reported this:

I can't be going back and forth with you on what has made clear

Quran says his birth is not greater than that of Adam. You already saw verses of the Qur'an where God's words created things other than Jesus when God decrees it. Maybe we should stand worshiping the earth too at this point? His birth is not greater than the creation of the Earth.

Qur'an is very clear on fundamental beliefs. Even in the Bible, Jesus doesn't refer to his birth as the most miraculous thing or unusual. I am not inferring with you what is made extremely clear. Jesus says e is a servant. God says he is his servant and messenger.

Jesus the Son of Mary, his mother, Mary, the child of Adam [i]vs [/i]Adam without a father or a mother - you are funny
You have forgotten, Elisabeth, mother of John Baptist. You will soon tell us how John was God because his mother was past the child bearing age.


If you cannot figure out how stones, trees, air serve God, I swear you have no theological knowledge, not even the Bible. Pagans will not ask this question.

Kukutenla:
How does the stone serve God? What about water? How does it serve Allah?
You still must accept that it is human attribute to have eyes. Having an all-seeing eyes does not make it less of an eye. If Adam was made from clay and Jesus was made from word, it means Jesus could not have been a man since all men take after the nature of Adam by being made from clay? Certainly, two products from different materials can't be said to be the same. Again, being made from clay, it shows that Adam is of the earth since clay is of the earth. Jesus is from above since God whose words formed Jesus is from above. If you say both Jesus and Adam are simply human, it implies God made humans in two ways: one of clay and another of his word. The one of clay is the progenitor of man. So where is the race of the one of word? You do not realise that by saying Jesus is simply human, you have made the quranic narrative of creation a lie since Jesus was not made from Adam in the Qur'an but from God's word. Is that how it is? Does Allah make man from two material? One from clay and the other from his word? And they are both human?

I am a Muslim and we believe everything God created is to serve him, so we are his servants. It is more appropriate because it also recognises your purpose in life and everything else God has created.

Creations of a Creator to serve the creator's purpose/creators = servants/slaves

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Now can you stop inferring what Qur'an makes clear.

You are inferring what the Qur'an is when it is made clear that Jesus is a word from God and a Ruh and Qur'an specifically said it doesn't make him a son of God or God.Qur'an repeatedly states that God is one and absolute, and that no other being can share his nature or sovereignty. It refers prophets and all of mankind as servants of God, highlighting God's superiority over his creation.

What you have done is accept the Quran part of being breathed as Ruh or as word from God but refuse to accept the Quran verses that explicitly states that:

They say, “The Most Compassionate has offspring.”

You have certainly made an outrageous claim,

by which the heavens are about to burst, the earth to split apart, and the mountains to crumble to pieces

That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.

After Jesus's miraculous birth and speaking verses where he confirmed himself as a servant of God - You ignored:

That is Jesus, son of Mary. ˹And this is˺ a word of truth, about which they dispute.

It is not for Allah to take a son! Glory be to Him. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, “Be!” And it is!

˹Jesus also declared,˺ “Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.”

Then the factions differed [concerning Jesus] from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved - from the scene of a tremendous Day.

Indeed, the example of Jesus to God is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, “Be,” and he was. Quran 3:59

Isa is a creation of God, not a product of God - your conclusions and Qur'an verses are contradictory. In the verse above, now God is telling you to use your intellect. You have Adam the first man, with no father and mother that was created from clay, and you think Jesus' birth is a greater miracle than Adam without a father and a mother?

When you say God has human attributes in the Qur'an, please show us a human that is all-seeing, all-hearing, who can also say "Be and it is" and who creates life? When we say God sees everything, please name one human that has these supposed "human attributes" that sees everything? Please don't mention Jesus - there were references in the Bible where he was scared of death, when he didn't know the hour or even begged for God's mercy.

I strongly suggest you listen to Chapter of Mary


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im7rK_pUd0I



Kukutenla

But for colonisation, you will not be using the words Jehovah or Jesus because Jesus spoke Aramaic.

Aramaic and Arabic are sister languages, both Semitic.

In Aramaic:

God is ʼĔlāhā/ʼElāh
Jesus is Isho
Amen is amīn

Also, the word Allah means God. You can replace God with Allah. I can say Oluwa/Olohun/Chukwu instead of Allah. Non-Muslims Arab als use the word Allah because it means God.

Kukutenla:
How can Jesus know Allah when he was an Hebrew and not Arab? Did the Hebrews ever have any God called Allah?

You have already answered your question. He is God. We are not his biggest miracle nor his descendants. Everything he created serves him. So we are all his slaves/servants, angels o, jinns o, animals o, trees o, waters o, prophet Muhammad o. God created everything to serve him. We are at his mercy, not the other way round.

If you want to be a son so badly, we are sons and daughters of Adam because it is how God addresses humanity in the Quran- he says "O Children of Adam".

He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
And there is none comparable to Him. - Surah Ikhlass (The sincerity)

God has rejected everything attempt to humanise him in the Qur'an. Nothing is comparable to him. When we go into worship inclusing our 5 daily prayers, we are expected to go in full submission and humility.

Your problem is the word slaves/servants. It shows you are not humble or fully submissive to God or you don't understand him or your role in this life.

Kukutenla:
Whether slaves or servants, the most important point is that it's an acquisition. The question you've more answered is that if he can have slaves, why can't he have sons? Is there any rule prohibiting him from having sons? At least according to your religion, he also has jinn and Angels. So can you explain why he can't acquire sons of he can acquire all the above?