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rspy:
which makes earth a better place?

Dod you not hear that God is remaking a new shinier and better earth?

This one is gone and Jesus did not say He came to make the earth better.

Lucifyre:
They're both full of crap. Myopic dumb and ignorant christai ns that point fingers without looking at themselves. Last i checked ur genocidal maniac of a god did all and even more than the muhammad u paint black, and u all say jesus is god. Basically 2 rotten sides of the same corroded coin.

This is why it it is good that God should separate us and give you people a world where you people should live without His help so that you people would live with people like you ungrateful, murder full, thieving beasts like you.

Imagine, God saves us from murder full bandits and kidnappers yet you say genocide.

Ah, if only God would take us to another world and leave you here, i would have prayed that He left you people alone so that murderers and bandits will completely finish you people

PulsingPurple:
*Sigh
Bro, would still like to counter but you haven't processed the first point as good as I expected.
The only thing I'll add is that it takes a level of open-mindedness and willingness to engage in a meaningful debate.

You should at least read the full passages for context.

What you're doing now is interpreting with a preconceived notion.

There's no metaphor if you read the whole thing.

But then again, peace out ✌️

Reading the passages proves my point.

Verse 2 and 3 of 1 corinthians 13 shows that Paul was speaking metaphorically in that
"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and speak in tongues of men and angels and prophecy, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

While 1 corinthians 14 verse 4 shows the valur of speaking in tongues but that is for those who truly know what it is.

For as the verse 2 you cited shows, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BETWEEN THE PERSON AND GOD".

But obviously, scammers and fake people are not aware of this fact, so they come out and broadcast their fallshood.

PulsingPurple:
I also understand the point you were making concerning the idea that God follows nature. Will sha inform you that your choice of words is somewhat bad and someone else will drag you forever because of that statement.

Thank you for understanding. But i beliieve every reasonable.and fair person must understand what i was trying to say as it is known that it is not always easy to put out words thst carry the precise meaning intended.

But how would you have recommended i put it?

Michael547:
Lol....has it gotten to insults and aggression?

No! But you insalt yourself by your continous running into a brick wall non stop. That is what mad people do and ufortunately except for Aemmyjah who tries to stay away from the land of madness all other jws here have this played one type of madness or another like you have done and now will do!

PulsingPurple:
Okay, after saying, “God follows nature!” I don't know if we're on the same line of thought on who God is and other concepts surrounding God, such as Angels and what have you.

A creator doesn't follow his creation sha. It should be vice versa or something.

You are right but this is where God makes a difference in that even though He has a rightto do as He pleases over His creations yet He chooses to follow the pattern of what He has set.

Eg instead of talking from the sky, He chose to come down as a man to Speak to Abraham. And surely, that conversation must be in Abraham's language.

Another example is His visitation where e came as a baby and grew into a man spanning 33 years. He did not come do and take short cut like Solomon Grundy in departing from nature. He followed through. Even His murder and death follows nature.

So yes, God can depart and overide nature but He 95% of the tiime follows it as proven by the fact that you do not see at any time where an angel conversed with a man in a language beyond the natural one.

PulsingPurple:
Then to reply your opinion on tongues of Angels being humanly-understandable language as tongues of men, if so, why did Paul distinguish and explain them in:

1 Corinthians 13:1
“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.”

1 Corinthians 14:2
“For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.”

You said there's nothing to contest.

Let me clarify: I'm not here to 'contest', or promote my doctrines or force a teaching on anyone. I'm just quoting scriptures and aiming to provide a different point of view for what OP discussed.

I did not say "tongues of Angels being humanly-understandable" i clearly said, "Did you not hear the language the angels spoke? Was it gibberish?"

And did Paul or the bible tell us the language/tongue angels spoke? No.

So, you definitely have to.ask Paul what he means by tongues of angels but clearly a pure fabrication by men can never count as tongues of angels.

And definitely, has it occured to you that Paul was being metaphorical and sarcastic here and was not saying anything about the language of angels especially as this was the only tine he makes such a statement?

That's why i said its a no contest. And i have no doctrine to impose but no wrong thing should be allowed to.stand and the only way a wrong doctrine can be put down is by proper and valid arguments which is all i am doing!

Michael547:
And I present to you in the screenshot below your claims. So what would you say now?

Nothing more than the the thread shows what i said and all that transpired, so you can knock yourself to death after all you jws love being mad!

PulsingPurple:
Again, making points and counter points.
I sha rest the case.

Btw, 'Tongues of Angels' can't be a natural language. Angels aren't natural.

But that's by the way. Peace out ✌️

Did you not hear the language the angels spoke? Was it gibberish?

Did the Jacob, Mary, Zechariah hear gibberish or they heard the angels speak their natural language?

There is nothing here to contest, God follows Nature!

Steep:
I believe John was extending the begining beyond Genesis 1:1.

I want to say "exactly" but for the word extended.

John was not extending but was drawing our attention to not think that God and Jesus, His Son, started with the creation of our world .

And this is where John knowing how some people are in thinking that because our beginning started in Genesis, therefore God and His Son, Jesus also started about that time.

Whereas, even the opening of Genesis and the conversation thereof, clearly shows God and His Son have done a lot together even before our world was made as shown by Proverbs 8 which shows that God and Christ were already together even before "the waters" (verse 24) of Genesis 1 were created.

And John of course knew that many of us missed Proverbs 8, so he gets an opportunity to retell us again through his book and testament.

PulsingPurple:
...Sha don't miss the point I was making. You said that ALL gibberish-sounding tongues is fake, and I was just reminding you that some might be tongues of Angels.

It's impossible to say that in the whole of Nigeria, no one has grown enough to speak the original Tongues of Angels. And that's my whole point.
I'm not supporting every demonstration of tongues, I'm just reminding you guys not to be extremely one-sided when processing info.

It's just like saying there's only left and right, but forgetting that there's a middle, slightly left, slightly right, etc.

Sorry to say, all those noise making we hear as tongue speaking is pure and applued gibberish.

The tongues of angels is still a natural language and not gibberish yabadaba shiri bushaka shits.

And there is no left, right, middle things.

It is either you are speaking a known natural language or you are faking a language.

Besides that day when foreigners experienced hearing and understanding the hebrew language, AT NO PERRIOD OF TIME DID YOU SEE OR HEAR THAT PETER SPOKE FRENCH TO FRENCH PEOPLE OR THAT MATHEW SPOKE A STRANGE LANGUAGE TO GERMANS.

They all spoke their natural native langusge while Paul had the gift of speaking 3 natural languages to wit hebrew, greek and roman.

And look at it, what is Adeboye's tongue? Yoruba.

Do you not see that he always falls into Yoruba even when speaking English?

So, would he not have an issue if he preaches in Akwa ibom without an interpreter?

It is common sensical to unserstand that this is what Paul was warning about that when preaching or anything, your audience must be able to understand and comprehend. And that is why there must ve interpreters and translstors when a person is speaking a foreign tongue.

That is why till today no fake gibberish talker has had any one translate the gibberish they say.

Steep:
Are implying there is another beginning outside the beginning of Genesis?
I don't think that is what he was saying, never said Jesus was created in the beginning.

Wow! You too thought so?

I want to understand when you said
"I believe they are not exactly the same, John's "beginning" is actualy the "indefinite" time before definite time."

What did you have in mind for our definite time started in Genesis 1?

See deceit. This is why women call you blind fools. You see the signs yet you do not see them

Veiniously:
"I did everything the first day she visited me, like sucking her boobs and so on, but I didn't have sex with her. She initially refused me from touching her but with my long term bro skills I was able to talk her into it. It took awhile but I got her top out. ..."

You did not get her to sleep with you. Everything you did is just a set up. Rather it is she who got you to sleep with her

Veiniously:
She almost died in my room she mourned so hard just by sucking her breast. She even advise i shift my bed from the window so that my neighbors won't hear her.

I was even scared 😨 and wondering if sucking alone is this interesting how would the main meat test like....

Have you not heard this before?

Its fake and a set up!😁😁😁

Veiniously:
But when I tried my best to proceed She said she won't, and it's against her rules to sleep with a guy on the first day. I tried all my skills which I used to get her top off but it didn't work. I added all the bro code and all the lines I know. None worked...

See! Proof she is the one choosing to fuqk you and that it is not you who got her to fuqk. 😁😁😁

You people just never learn that sometomes it is women who set you to fuqk them especially men who do not pursue women.

But me i know say this na vagina chaser so, na im pursue the woman.

But for guy wey dey on e own, you gas note say women dey set man up to make am look say na the man na im pursue dem and na im want dem pass. Na d set up be dat!

PulsingPurple:
Yhh I understand that side.

But for your last sentence, you should note that Paul acknowledges the existence of 'Tongues of Angels'.

1 Corinthians 13:1
“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.”

Whatever is classified as 'Tongues of Angels', I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it'll sound like gibberish, or at least, not-understandable to any human tribe.

Yes, there is tongues of angels and i know what is but, exactly as the bible did not talk about it, i would not for it is part of the growth of a christian.

For when you have completed the growth in God, you would know what ir is.

So like the bible Said, "grow first".

classicben3:
Foolishness at its peak

Yoi.can say it again.

Foolishness and Madness.

Daejumong:
Stop Speaking in Tongues in Church if no one can interpret - Apostle Paul !
!

It is only common sensical that an ibibio man cannot be speaking ibibio in a bini church without an interpreter.

PulsingPurple:
Just a curious thought:

Have you considered if Paul was referring to 'speaking', not 'praying'.

Like, remember the first instance of speaking in tongues where the Apostles were literally just talking (preaching) and different people were hearing their languages... What if that's what Paul referred to.

Especially looking at the idea that prayer is meant to be heard by God, so whoever doesn't understand your language shouldn't be a concern.

It's just something I've been thinking off, we can do some research on that to establish more understanding.

And just a friendly reminder that I'm not countering or opposing you or anything.

I also believe there are many fake demonstrations of tongues and many true ones too.

“Tongues of men and tongues of Angels” in Paul's words.

Go and read it again. The bible did not say that the disciples were speaking or praying in a strange language.or in a foreign language.

They were speaking and praying in their own natural and native language of the jews

But the wonder and miracle was that a yoruba man and chinese man and french man there at the time who heard them, heard and understood what they were saying.

So no speak in tongues took place but a miracle that an urhobo man was hearing what and uderstanding what the south african bushman in "gods must be crazy" movie was saying.

Tongues means natursl and native laguages which was why the disciples could not easily speak to the gentiles but only people like Paul could speak to them.

So all blebleble and huba tash yi gbasa are all fake

Steep:
He might not be wrong, he is not saying the word was created but the word is eternal.

Not True!

Do you not see from his words that he thinks the beginnning of all beginnings was when God created us and our house called heaven and earth?

Which was why he must think that Genesis and John are the same starting point, which you have already rightly pointed out that it is not the same?

He truly thought that the universe began with the creation of our world and that Jesus too was brought forth at that time.

But thank God, proverbs 8 has cleared all those questions.

butterfly777:
Its the same beginning. God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. John makes us know that Jesus was already in existence in the beginning with God (The Father) and as God before creation began.

Both Genesis 1 and John 1 show that God the Father and Jesus the Word were in existence before the beginning.

Wrong!

Do you not see that the making of heaven and earth is "our beginning"? And not the beginning of jupiter or pluto which could have been created before our own or after our own?

And do you not see that John points out that The Word, was "with God"?

So, does that not tell you that when God was moving over the waters in Genesis 1:2 before heaven and earth was made that The Word was also there with Him which we see in God issuing out a command, "let there be ligbt"?

You obviously wrongly thought the whole universe starts with us.

Proverbs 8 clears all this arguments

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Janosky:
In the holy scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation, that word "beginning" has the same meaning in whatever context you apply it.

The word "Beginning" means the starting point , or
commencement of a series or thing.

You can't use just two different portions of scriptures John & Genesis ALONE to establish what you should understand from your Bible about the word "Beginning "

The beginning means "starting point", yes but would you not ask what starting point?

Or whose starting point?.

Do all things have the same starting point?
Even Genesis 1 to 2 answers this and shows us the different.starting points of the creations here on earth.

achorladey:
Knife has been used to perpetrate evil since 10,000 BCE it is advisable not to use knife to cut meat or fish when cooking

Imagine

Tetraozonaitera:
The word had been existing with God. Even before the creation of the world.
The Bible says Without Him Nothing was created that was created. So what exactly are you saying?
He existed with God before the "Let there be Light"
Are you saying God has not been talking before "Let there be Light?"

Dont Get yourself confused to win an argument.

Since you cant Exist Without Your word and
You were made in the Image of God. That means God HAS BEEN Existing with his Word since before TIME.

Correct uppercut!

And see how he ran away after i answered him in the beginning.of this thread

Tetraozonaitera:
You have just wasted space and time writing the long piece.

At the court of Law. After quarell with your neighbor who was so smart to have recorded your voice which in your own words you were bragging you will cut his son's head off one day.

The Judge facing you says Mr. Jude, can you tell this honourable court who was that talking and bragging?
What would you say when you know your neighbor got you redhanded?

"It was me your honor" would be your answer if you dont want greater punishment for telling lies.

Those were your words in your own voice.

Only a mental patient would say "Your Honor, it was not me Sir. It was only my voice"

The Judge may have to tell them to go and check your Sanity.

In a nutshell, you cant separate a man from his word.
His word is him. He is his word.

Jesus is the Word of God.
You cant separate God from His Word.
He is His Word, His Word is He.

Shalom

Precisely!

MaxInDHouse:
"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me" Matthew 15:8

Jesus commanded his own disciples:

You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. Matthew 5:38-39

Satan and his children must always ask people to love them (satan and his.children) while they (satan and his children), maim and klll them.

There is a time for everything under the sun which is why
Jeremiah 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.
Romans 13:4
But if thou doest that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain:
So cursed are you devils and you shall all burn forever in.that fire that never quenches.

achorladey:
Looool! You sabi the guy too. Ask am question now he start another round of questions without responding to yours.

Yes oo. I didn't know he was jw oo until Emusan told me.

achorladey:
Abi ooooo those manipulations of the scripture packed into their brains

Very.very mad people o

MaxInDHouse:
Luke 6:27-28; Colossians 4:6; 2Timothy 2:25

Satan and his children must always ask people to love them (satan and his.children) while they satan and his children, maim and klll them.

There is a time for everything under the sun which is why
Jeremiah 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.
Romans 13:4
But if thou doest that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain:
So cursed are you devils and you shall all burn forever in.that fire that never quenches.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 5:39; 1Peter 3:15

Satan and his children.like you will never want anyone resisting them as you have proven already.

But Christians know that there is a time for everything under the sun which is why

Jeremiah 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

Romans 13:4
But if thou doest that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain:

So cursed are you devils and you shall all burn forever in.that fire that never quenches.

Kingsempires:
The answer is no the eucharist according to catholic doctrine,is from people who are baptized and attend cathecism class and go from confession before receiving the holy eucharist from the first time.so nor catholic can receive the holy eucharist in catholic church

That's what we are saying that if God has forgiven a person during mass, then everyone in that mass is in "state of grace" and should be qualified to take the communion without any fetter.

Clearly, it is an admisyrative thing and application of "my house, my rules" thing and not a God or a biblical direction thing

jaephoenix:
Have you heard of the god of the gap phenomenon?

In an engine bay there are spaces but to ants on the engine they are gaps.

Meanwhile to the creator of the car it is just a space.

Meanwhile you forget that so far, no thing creates itself, so the only gap is that which you refuse to see