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@Danmasani

Without wanting to sound offensive, truth be told: you're reading issues backward. What do you make of this statement:

"State schools in Kano have been obliged to follow a Muslim dress code since 2003"?

If "nobody" is forced to wear the veil, it would be a case of utter mental retardation for the Kano State Governor to "order non-Islamic schools to introduce veils for their female students".

Danmasani:
Allow people to practise their beliefs or traditions, it is not for you to judge and say no or say yes.

This nonsensical whim is all too typical of the sordid denseness associated with people who speak from both sides of their mouth! "Allowing" people to practise their beliefs does not (and should never) translate into muzzling their constitutional rights to be able to have their say on the serpent-fanged, double-faced al-taqiyya of the Muslim north! If you believe at all in freedom, you ought to both recognize and respect their right to choose to say NO to such slow-wittedness.

Danmasani:
Just like how some schools force every girl to have a hearcut in Nigerian schools, so does KANO state government have the right to make them wear veils

And oh, BTW, that should read as "HAIRCUT" and not slanking off your [b]hear[/b]ing faculty!!

Danmasani:
If you don't like it, you can go hang!

After you, bro! Now we know how much of a "xtian northerner" you are!

. . . And if they believed anything at all, they wouldn't claim they're LOST and then come back sweating to find Muhammad in the Bible!!

babyosisi:
Ok,let's just end it at Osa since we don't know if the God almighty is nobua or lobua,lol

somze:
I thought this thread is about the completion of the bible (i'm not referring to catholic bible). Why do we so easily transform it to an argument with the koran. Sometimes i get tired of this religious wahala. Well it has always been there and it would never go away.

It's quite simple: you go through the posts on this thread and see who was first to categorically mention that Qur'an was right for stating that the Torah was LOST or CORRUPTED!

somze:
But can we please POLITELY answer questions raised about the bible no matter how deragatory they may seem. Fighting with Babs787 and plunging your self into the accuracy of the koran is way off context. Save that for another thread. DEAL WITH THE COMPLETION OF OUR BIBLE.

Answers have been offered in as polite a manner as can be. We're all grown-ups dealing with issues; and we can discern what babs787 is up to with his games. It is not answers he's seeking; and if you doubt this, just wait: it's only a matter of time before you see it.

Cheers.

Well, I had always thought I heard the Bini students refer to the Supreme God as Osalobua. Here are a few interesting findings I picked up on the net:

From: A Two Page History of Benin

'Generally Edo people believe in the supreme God who is Osalobua (Osanoghodua) who they put first in everything. They also serve or remember their ancestors. In recent history there have been many deities introduced into the City from adjoining tribes like the Yoruba and Christianity by the missionaries.'

From: All About Oscar

'While a supreme god (called Olorun Olodumare in Yoruba, Chukwu in Igbo, Osalobua in Edo, and Abasi Ibom in Ibibio) is central to many of the traditional religions, the deity is worshipped through a number of intermediaries or lesser gods.'

A bini friend noted that the "n" in the tradition appellation (as in 'Osa[b]n[/b]obua') is a grave mistake by many today; because it does not speak of the supreme God, but rather of lesser deities who are regarded as "creators", depending on who is using the term. For all that, my friend may be mistaken (and I have no way of checking out this interpretation, since I'm not bini). However, if there's any substance in his persuasion, here's another finding I clipped from the net:

From: Edo Anthropology

'Every village or each quarter had seasonal celebrations all of which were subordinate to the supreme deity called OSA or OSA[b]L[/b]OBUA - the creator of the world.
. . .
Two types of OSA were known (good and evil) - OSA[b]N[/b]OWA (God of the house) and OSA[b]N[/b]OHA (God of the bush). Osanowa created Man while Osanoha created animals as well as a house of sickness in which all diseases were kept.'

Not a big deal, but I just wondered about the difference.

@babs787,

babs787:
The religious threads have resumued, thanks but no thanks to your handshake.

I suspected it was only a matter of time before this revelation crops up into the open.

babs787:
I learnt you are very fond of lifting from your authors, have you for one day pondered on why some early christians were killed by your people (christians) for rejecting the doctrine of trinity? Did you say God Jesus never ordered the killing of apostates in the bible?

Where did the Lord Jesus Christ order the killing of 'apostates' for converting to other religions as Muhammad ordered Muslims to do? What is Islam so afraid of that it is no loonger secret that Muslims murder not only so-called 'apostates' for leaving Islam altogether; but they can go about murdering non-Muslims under any excuse?

How many Christians have been killed for simply converting from Islam? If Islam has nothing to hide, why are Christians still being persecuted and murdered in Islamic countries like Afghanistan for no other crime than that those people are Christians?

Muslims are tolerated anywhere they go; they have mosques in the Western countries that they refer to as the Shaitan. However, in the Islamic countries of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Christians and Jews do not have the same freedom to practise their faith without threats from Muslims, most of which result in the murder of non-Muslims.

These are the issues that are continually being challenged, and that is why Muslims are only dribbling round with slobber accusations at non-Muslims for the fact that these debates are stripping the facade of Islam. The mask will continually be stripped off; and like it or not, even Muslim observers themselves cannot deny that many Muslims are turning to Jesus Christ for salvation without the threat of the sword.

@babs787,

babs787:
I laugh when I read your lies. It didnt come as a surprise to me. You also lied when you told me there is no Jesus Barabas in the bible. Here you lied again:.

Don't make me laugh! My posts stands as is in reply to specie's. She laid the allegation of your complaint, and my response was to call her attention to the lopsided view of her having missed the fact that Muslims are also guilty of the same thing as she attempted to cast here - and you have affirmed that (highlights in the quote above).

I'm already used to your accusations, and that won't stop me telling the truth. It's not such a bother that when you can't reason, then you go about with your usual accusative slobber that people are lying. Mind you, I'm not the one practising the religion of al-taqiyya; and you can continue demonstrating who follows that religion on the Forum.

babs787:
Did I complain and what have I complained about?

If you had no complaints, what was your whining about in this line:

You brought out threads where Muslims condemned christian

If you failed to understand simple statements, does it make you any wiser or happier to come back with this typically, rascally accusation for what your intelligence was unable to measure up to?

babs787:
Arent you the one that has been shouting that babs has been lifting from thread when its glaring that your sister babyosis has been lifting from same and she might have probably mailed you some sites.

Wait until babyosisi hears reads this second allegation and then confirm if she mailed me anything about any websites.

Besides, it is hilarious to read how you're craftily trying to dribble away from this issue. I neither mentioned babyosisi here; nor made any allusion to your lifting articles from other websites here. In the threads concerned, I mentioned them there, and all you have said so far to all those queries are terse conciliatory statements.

babs787:
Tayod too went to that site lifted their similarities and differences between Jesus and Moses but babs never said anyting and the reason is not far fetched from the fatch that falsehood cannot overcome truth.

The issue here is not about LIFTING articles from websites, so your sob-stories here are just dribbling away from the core of my rejoinder to specie's post. The issues for debunking the idea that Muhammad was not the Prophet of Deut. 18 are still there; and I left a challenge that we should all be able to think for ourselves. To this end, I delineated what I had from my personal study, strongly discharging the otiose idea that some silly criteria as marriage and occupation should stand the test at all. If you're not satisfied, please give me the particular website where I "LIFTED" my article from; or the one you're so convinced that babayosisi mailed me!

The issue here in this thread has not been about plagiarizing articles from websites (which is what you often do). Rather, my challenge to specie was:

"to call her attention to the lopsided view of her having missed the fact that
Muslims are also guilty of the same thing as she attempted to cast here."

"Guilty of the same thing" in the sense of:

Which one of the following are you assuring us have not been started by
a muslim in order to insult Christianity?

babs787:
Your authors had most of the debate edited. Likewise one pastor Isang that I told you about sometime ago. He brought his own cameraman and had where he bleeped up edited. You should go and find out from Pastor Sonibare of Redeemed Christian Church of God too. You are free to lift from any sites and be rest assured that your allegations will be refuted.

Great to read about your concilatory statement again. However, babs787, I have a brain and can reason for myself - and that's what my posts are all about. Thanks for the offer for lifting articles from websites; what is so repugnant is to dress them here and there and pretend that they are your own!

babyosisi:
osanobua!.

babyosisi:
no love king,I spent sometime in Benin city

I schooled in Uniben, too!

Would that not have been "Osalobua"?

mrpataki:
@ Spicie,
Have you forgotten that the marauding thief, killer ,paedophile master in the name of Muhammad died on his sick bed cursing Christians? Is that the epitome of respect to you?

Lol. . mrpataki, let's play it cool and refrain from deliberately slurring their respected icon. We may not like the many things we've read in their books concerning him; but we can help them appreciate one thing: Christ would have us love and draw them to His loving truth.

God bless.

babs787:
@stimulus

So you are a coward.

Kowai! I beg no vex. . . no be ma fault o jare!    

After the GUNNERS emerge and people waka comot for field, if ma oga lose, na end of work for me!!  

So, as long as it keeps him happy in thinking me a coward, believe me, I go "submit" until when I reach house, then I go convert again to GUNNERS original!!  

nossycheek:
Same to/for you

Lol. . . wey the hands wey U take type those sensible verses? That is why I said earlier: dress closer, we need to know each other a bit more!

@babs787,

babs787:
(1) Quoting those verses above simply confirms my point: Islam is synonymous with "conversion by militant force" - and there are other verses in the Hadith to testify and doubly confirm that.

Let me have them please. Hope you know Indonesia, are you telling me that militant made them muslims by force?

Sahih Muslim Book 001, #0031: It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

Sahih Muslim Book 001, #0032: It is narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded that I should fight against people till they declare that there is no god but Allah, and when they profess it that there is no god but Allah, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah, and then he (the Holy Prophet) recited (this verse of the Holy Qur'an):" Thou art not over them a warden" (lxxxviii, 22).

[for those who might be wondering, (lxxxviii, 22) = Qur'an 88:22 - "You are not a watcher over them"].

babs787:
If you want to place your cards on the table, babs is ready as well but do not accuse babs of anything as far as religius threads are concerned. Christians of all people telling Muslims that their revelations contradicts history, see the kettle calling pot black. Do muslims say that they are standing in support of Israel than Christians? Brother, it seems you don't know jewish history with regards to Muslim. A good student of history and International relations will have no doubt in his mind that the Jews are the root cause(s) of most of the problems in the world today - political, economic, cultural religious etc.

Thanks for yet again confirming my assertion that Islam is anti-Jewish by default. I've heard that slogan over and over again, and even posted it for abdkabir to view online. It is a bloody lie that has been fabricated by. . . you guessed who: Muslims. Little wonder that some Muslims are trying ever so hard to deny the holocaust; and if that were just mere chess-game, then again it was a Muslim who called for the annihilation of Israel. No?

babs787:
Still on the jew, let me quote some of their statements

In the year of Balfour Declaration, Dr. Nahum Goldman, president of the world Jewish Congress explained

"The Jews might have had Uganda, Madagascar and other places for the establishment of a Jewish "fatherland" but they want absolutely nothing except Palestine; not because the dead sea water by evaporation can produce five trillion dollars worth of metalloids and powdered metal; not because the sub-soil of Paestine contains twenty times more petroleum than all the combined reserve of the two Americans; but because Palestine is the crossroads of Europe, Aisa, and Africa, because Palestine constitute the veritable centre of world, political power, the strategic centre for world control"

"The problem of the Jewish people is that the Islamic religion is still living in rancour and expansion, it gives no place for any solutions with Israel. This religion is our mortal enemy that threatens the future of Israel and its people"

"We do not fear Socialism, Revolutionism and Democratism in the Region, the only thing we fear is Islam, the giant that has slept for long"

"The most dreadful thing we fear is the appearabce of a new Muhammed in the Arab world"

There is also a quote that as long as the Quran exists, Israel will not be in peace that if they want to fight Muslim ,they must start with the Quran

Cheers.

Yet again, you have confirmed my point. Here, let me quote a line of standing observation:

"The problem of the Jewish people is that the Islamic religion is still living in rancour and expansion, it gives no place for any solutions with Israel."

Is that not true, babs787? What is really the ideology behind the seething hatred that Muslims have against the Jews?

Was it an "Israeli" also who prophesied that the last hour shall not come until Muslims fight against the Jews and kill them all? If your answer is "YES", then please tell me the name of the "Israeli-turned-ARAB" that made this statement before his death:

Sahih Muslim Book 041, #6985: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Sahih Muslim Book 041, #6903: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last Hour will not come unless there is much bloodshed. They said: What is harj? Thereupon he said: Bloodshed. bloodshed.

Dr. Nahum Goldman, to my knowledge, has not called for the "last hour" for Jews to KILL Muslims everywhere until they hide behind trees, has he? Look at the hadiths again and see who fed that ideology to Muslims: who was it? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (please fill in the gaps)!!

babs787:
I asked your brother questions, read his response

I didn't know my post was spurious. My answer to your question(s

#1. I do not believe Muhammad was a prophet sent by the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.

#2. I do actually believe that there is a Creator who is called 'Allah' in arabic; but as far as identities are concerned, the 'allah' of Islam is not the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.


The above shows that there is no way I can convince him since he is already determined or make up his mind never to believe in my prophet let alone believing in chapters or verses from the same book.

Let's cut to the chase. I have consistently provided answers to questions; and how have your responses come back to demonstrate the YOU are willing to believe in the Biblical teachings of Jesus Christ the Son of God? We can start from Genesis to Revelation about Who Jesus Christ claimed to be in Himself; but what guarantee do we have that even that exercise will help you turn in faith to the Messiah for the offer of His saving grace - especially when you have a made-up mindset?

@babs787,

babs787:
You are right that one needs not be a Muslim in order to engage in dialogue or debate but as for me, I don't believe in fruitless debate. Dont you think that it will be an endless debate because at the end of the day you will stick to your belief regardless of the facts being tendered? You are already inclined to your belief and doesnt belief in any other prophet and book aside Jesus and Bible, so arguing with you will be a sheer waste of time.

It's really a simple case. The point of a debate is to try and persuade people to your point and perspectives, whether or not they hold to your views previously. If they already held your views and convictions, why even engage in a debate in the first place?

Now, isn't it sort of quizzical that you are in the same situation that you allege about me? No matter how much people have tried to share their views and perspectives with you, there just has to be something that you'd bring up to further the argument in an effort to maintain your already held convictions. If you require that others be a little condescending towards your convictions at the expense of their own, why is it difficult for you to offer the same acquiescence towards them?

babs787:
If you or other christians want to know about my belief as regards salvation, I have provided enough verses up, you only need to read them. As for salvation in christianity, I didnt want to push further because you have told me that you don't believe in my prophet and Allah, so to be candid with you, I wont indulge in debate with anyone that doesnt believe in my God and at the end of the day heaps insult on my God.

I've carefully gone through your interpretation of the verses that convince you about the salvation offered in Islam. Honestly, I don't find a consistency in them at all - and that is precisely why I asked questions, offering some other verses from Islam's holy books that were of concern to me. You don't suppose that I would have to take a Muslim position to debate issues you argued against Christianity, when infact I am a Christian!

I didn't enter this Forum to castigate any religion; and I've engaged fellow Christians in debates as well, in the belief that we can all thrash out issues without over-reaching ourselves. However, did you ever sit back for a moment to realize that you often tend to ridicule Christ and the Christian faith by the way you respond to issues? I guess your answer would be 'No,' but you can't deny that you have ever castigated Jesus, can you? Not even once?

babs787:
You are not ready to know more than what you have already known. So if you believe that christianity, bible or jesus is the only way to salvation, good luck, so be it.

No qualms. I have always tried to be open to intellectual exercises; and of such kind that do not involve over-reaching one's rationality. The arguments you have offered so far have not been convincing in conveying your persuasions. Can we hope to read some more informed discourses from you henceforth?

Cheers.

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

Thank you; but I'm not surprised you're once again beginning to chant the 'conversion by force' slogan in Islam. Now, whether the sky falls down or not, stimulus is a sensible Christian who loves to see people come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ without the use of militant force.


I will give you just two verses in response to your post above

Quran 3 v 85: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost.

Quran 3 v 91;Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, revelations etc) of Allah, then surely, Allah is swift in caling to account.

Believe me, I would have remained silent after reading your response. However, out of mutual respect, let me say the following:

(1) Quoting those verses above simply confirms my point: Islam is synonymous with "conversion by militant force" - and there are other verses in the Hadith to testify and doubly confirm that.

(2) We need to place all our cards on the table in a public discussion so that issues can be examined fairly. In which case, one cannot claim to be receiving "revelations" from God and making statements that contradict history. Jews and Christians are not jealous of one another; and if you actually want to know, it is actually Christians that are standing in support of Israel today than the Muslims dare claim.

The fact that Islam is self-accusative and actually guilty of antipathy towards the Jews is well attested to in the Qur'an and the Hadiths. I hope you can honestly live with these facts in the Qur'an.

Cheers.

I think the division was already set in play by those who went contrary to the "ancient customs of the Church". Where in the annals of the Church were gay bishop appointed to head parishes?

Archbishop Peter Akinola is reacting to this new trend, albeit disfavoured by those who are not as bold to speak out against it. There are many Anglicans who feel bitterly betrayed by the gay-ordination impasse, and could have breathed a sigh of relief in finding a welcome among other Anglican churches of akin vote.

For any measure of honest appraisal on the situation, one has to experience some of the pains first-hand in the USA among Anglicans, in order to appreciate the efforts of Archbishop Akinola as more of a revival exercise, than a devil-gone-after-sausages exploit.

Seun:
As always, I want to remind you guys that I find the very idea of "submission" completely ridiculous and laughable.

Awww. . . Seun. What a spoiler you are!

@babs787,

babs787:
Based on your above response, there is no need for me arguing back and forth with you since you are already inclined to your belief. If you had believed, I would told you the number of prophets and Messengers sent, those that were Israelites and those that were Arabs. Also I would have given you list of some prophets sent to their community but wont do that since you are not ready to learn and update your knowledge.

Good luck and may it not be too long in realising the truth.

Actually, one doesn't have to be a Muslim in order to engage in dialogue, debate or disucssion of sorts. I believe that one of the reasons for a Forum like this is to set out the misconceptions of discussants who counter-argue issues with others. How is one going to ever know anything new if you engage them in a public Forum and then at the same time decline from offering them answers to what you believe they don't know?

It might be interesting to view your list, though; perhaps it might add to what I thought I already know. However, if you still decline, then all the best and cheers.

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

Which team do you belong? Hope its not Arsenal. As for your boss, he go em em this weekend, we gunners will make Sunday unbearable for him. I know that he is a muslim but never mind, we are not talking religion now but football, tel him to join Arsenal because their humiliation has just started o and I learnt that there are many casualties as at yesterday.

I take any number of whistle take beg you well-well: no put me for wahala!!

If ma oga see this one, I go forget my employee's registration number!! Abeg, peace out for now. . . until he comot for office.

@babs787,

babs787:
Funny how you are trying to draw the attention of an atheist to the issue at hand. Why not keep silent if you have nothing to offer. Go over to the links above and honestly tell me your view.

Do you have eyes to read at all? Did I draw him here, or he was first on this thread before I asked a him question? If you failed to observe that, would you rather not have done better in silence than read issues crossed-eyed? What is the meaning of this clandestine post you're bringing up?

babs787:
I decide to reply according to your bible. When don't you remove the log in your eyes before removing the speck on your brother's eyes? Why are you being dishonest to yourself?

You can accuse all you want, and I'm used to your false allegations - example: your dishonest post above. If you would take your own advice and be honest to yourself, we would read far more intelligent inputs from you.

babs787:
You brought out threads where Muslims condemned christian, why don't you go to the links below and tell me your view. Bring out threads or posts where Muslims insulted Jesus and I will bring you three posts for every post or allegation brought against muslims here on nairaland.

Don't make me laugh! My posts stands as is in reply to specie's. She laid the allegation of your complaint, and my response was to call her attention to the lopsided view of her having missed the fact that Muslims are also guilty of the same thing as she attempted to cast here - and you have affirmed that (highlights in the quote above).

So, what is the otiose efforts you're now seeking to bring up?

@nferyn,

nferyn:
Probably kill me, just as the average pre-enlightenment Christian would have done. During that era I wouldn't have come out as an atheist anyway out of fear for my life.

There's no probability there: he would have done precisely that - and there's textual proof for that. And you're right that it wouldn't make sense to come out as an atheist anyway out of the reason you gave.

nferyn:
With the current crop of Christians it's only that, yes (the dominionists notwithstanding though). We are progressing morally, aren't we

It may be argued whichever way - and I know of many current crop of non-theists (and/or atheists) who would easily fail the test.

nferyn:
Talking about the persecutions of Stalin and the like are you not? Pray tell me, was it their atheism that motivated them?

No, I wasn't actually - my thoughts were broader than that.

nferyn:
I don't follow you here. What exactly is your point?

My point was simply this: I don't think it would be fair to make a broad statement that BOTH the Bible and the Qur'an are far worse in terms of your complaint. And that is why I posed that question earlier.

@babs787,

babs787:
I learnt that you cannot put up any debate without insulting my God and prophet.

Wrong. I do not go out to insult your God or prophet, or even any other religion. If anything, you have surreptitiously slandered Christ and Christianity.

babs787:
It has become christians' problem here on nairaland that whenever any issue is being discussed, they quickly divert to Muhammed.

I can't deny that; but count me out from that observation as my posts can testify it is not my style to "quickly" divert to Muhammad. However, I have observed on several occasions that you do the very same thing you complain about, which is not a rational attitude towards other discussants.

babs787:
I can see that He is really your problem and whether you like it not, nothing for you unless you accept him. Islam is the only religion whether you like it or not.

Thank you; but I'm not surprised you're once again beginning to chant the 'conversion by force' slogan in Islam. Now, whether the sky falls down or not, stimulus is a sensible Christian who loves to see people come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ without the use of militant force.

God bless.

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

Before replying your spurious post, do you believe that there is a prophet and Messenger called Muhammad (saw) and the Creator called Allah. Your response will determine my moving ahead with you.

Good luck.

I didn't know my post was spurious. My answer to your question(s

#1. I do not believe Muhammad was a prophet sent by the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.

#2. I do actually believe that there is a Creator who is called 'Allah' in arabic; but as far as identities are concerned, the 'allah' of Islam is not the same God revealed to the Biblical prophets.

Cheers.

AGBAMA:
I AM REALLY SORRY FOR THAT IT WAS THE TYPIND DEVIL IT AS AN ERROR.I MEAN A MAN U NEED IN UR LIFE NOT A MANCHESTER UNITED I DIDNT SEND THAT.SORRY ALL

You see what I mean??

I have often told people like you to move your PC or laptops away from your TV screens!! And do so especially when FOOTBALL is ON!!!

O'l boy, e no go easy for you if my team lose O!!

Okay, relax. . . I already knew you didn't mean it like that. All forgiven. _{Try typing in lower case and not all in capital letters - perhaps that might help.}


@babs787,

I'm waiting after weekend. . . and if I lose, get ready for my gunners!! Incidentally, my Muslim boss is a Chelsea die-hard!

Let's be fair to these folks. The word Islam by simple definition is "submission"; but I'm concerned that it does not tell us to whom or what one submits in that definition. Perhaps, only after the "submission" of one's being does he/she find out exactly.

@specie,

spicie:
BE AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING WEBSITES:

1. www.answeringislam.org
2. www.aboutislam.com
3. www.Thequran.com
4. www.allahassurance.com

These and some other websites are purported to be islamic but are not. Their chief aim is to mischievously distort the message of islam in order to satisfy some hidden agenda, maybe just to anger muslims, or probably cause them to deviate as is mostly the case with the honey coated pseudo islamic sites.

For fairness' sake, you forgot to sound the same alarm about the website where some of your Muslim apologetists plagiarize their material from:

www.answeringchristianity.com

There are several aother websites that have the same malicious agenda against Christianity and in favour of Islam. While the folks at answeringislam.com would seek to intelligently debate issues, can you say the same thing as the desperate and frantic vitriol you read of at answeringchristianity.com?

spicie:
Many a time, the holy Quran has come under this kind of attack covertly. Copies of the Qur'an with
the message distorted have been detected time and again, by hufaz and learned muallims. These distorted qur'ans it was hoped will find their way into the homes and minds of some unsuspecting muslims and cause them to deviate from the true teachings. What is hoped to be achieved through this is universal acceptance of an alternative way of life other than the one put forward by Islam.

Most of the distortions have been put forward originally by Muhammad. Your complaint here is of little substance, and at best is another propagandist effort to deny and sandpaper what we already know. Unless, of course, you'd want to start denying that the "traditions" - the Hadiths - are dishonest, then this whitewash you're applying to authentic Islamic distortion by Muslims themselves is a waste of space.

spicie:
That way what is called 'radical islam' can be effaced eventually and we can all live in a 'gloriously harmonious' way as dictated by agents of the western way of life - a way of life that is certainly ruinous for the muslims.

That "radical Islam" is taking over 1400 years to "efface" will not convinve anybody - including YOU - that we can all live in "glorious harmony!" At least, "the western way of life" has been home for millions of Muslims who have migrated to that hemisphere to find a safe haven from the key to the promise of 72 virgins - the key being none other than to die for 'allah!'

If protecting life is "certainly ruinous for the muslims", littel wonder then that we understand your ideology of authentic Islam!

spicie:
Fortunately for muslims, Allah SWA Promised to Protect His book from dessecration and that is why, even if one letter, or syllable of the holy Qur'an is tampered with, it is immediately detected and muslims the world over are alerted.

The tampering did not start today. Right from Muhammad's day, in his very presence and under his direction, the syllable and letters of the verses of the Qur'an were tampered with. How many Muslims are aware that there is ample evidence for that in the Hadith??

spicie:
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the ahadeeths, which are the sayings and the actions of the prophet (SAW). There have been hadeeths that have been attributed to the Prophet but for which there were no means of verifying their authenticity, or have come from a chain of narrators of whom one of them was of doubtful character. These hadeeths are termed da'if (weak) and for practical use, are best avoided.

The da'if (weak) hadeeths are only a matter of political embarrassment to the Ulema of Islam. As long as they are in current use by Muslims the world over, there is nothing "weak" about them. Fault one, then fault ALL!

spicie:
Knowledge of these hadeeths should be academic in the sense that one should know them for what they are rather than for any pragmatic use. In order to appreciate this, one needs to have a very good knowledge of islam in all its ramifications.

How can anyone be sure that he has a right interpretation of Islam in "all of its ramifications" when the hadith also says that even if some is right, he is still in error??

spicie:
Now these islamic sites which one should avoid, use these weak ahadeeths to provide arguments over contentious issues in islam and give distorted views which are not held in the religion.

Thank you for reminding us again that you were trying to count them as "non-Islamic sites", but because your mind was occupied in your propaganda, you inadvertently called them "islamic sites". As for the distorted views, they are actually being held unto by the millions in the religion of Islam.

spicie:
For someone who is not fairly knowledgeable in islam, it is very easy to fall into the trap of believing these alternative arguments and distorted views because they are presented in a very convincing way, which can only be refuted by someone with a lot of knowledge and understanding of laws of Islam.

Since they are presented in "a very convincing way", most of the Muslim apologists who have stepped forward with their whole "lot of knwledge and understanding of laws of Islam" have done nothing but carried the baton of ignorance and roundabout debates that are only too characteristic of the propagandists who send them as errand boys.

nferyn:
Actually, both the Bible and the Qu'ran are far worse when it comes to atheist. What is somebody like me supposed to? Show respect for those that in their holy scritures never fail to insult me?

@nferyn,

Whether everyone on this Forum is good or bad in whichever way we choose to view them, I have one question for you:

If you came across Muhammad and declared yourself an atheist, what do you suppose he would have done to you?

Insult - is it just that? No, I'm not even thinking about how atheists themselves have done the very same thing to theists. Yet, when declaring both the Bible and Qur'an to be "far worse", I'm only concerned at the present moment about the question above. And my concern is borne out of what I know Muhammad is reputed to have done to the atheists he came across.

babyosisi:
babs,I'm happy you are happy for proving the Bible incomplete.
I'm still waiting for the authentic texts that allah graciously preserved.

Lol. You neva hear?? He claimed they are LOST!!

The ones that are still in existence are a trouble to him (nevermind the fact that Muhammad used them); but the ones that 'Allah' sent down and revealed are conveniently termed "LOST!" So much for intelligence!

@specie,

spicie:
Its high time u people start behaving matured,ist really improper the way some of us post silly topics consisting of false QURANIC AND HADITH VERSES. i.e https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-48477.0.html

May we know exactly which false Qur'anic and Hadith verses were quoted?

spicie:
It will be good if we respect and understand each others religion. I assure you theres no topic in this forum that is started by a muslim in order to insult christianity.

Which one of the following are you assuring us have not been started by a muslim in order to insult Christianity?

#1. Jesus Vs. Prophecy
Excerpt: "I came across some prophesies of God Jesus which I decide to put across to my
christian friends to assist in explaining to me because the Jesus is my book is never a liar"
[so, by implication, is the Jesus in the Bible a liar?]

#2. O Worshippers of The Messiah, We Have A Question
Excerpt: "Then he emerged from the vagina as a tiny baby, opening his mouth and seeking the breast, . ."
[that is how they ask "A Question" and expect Christians to respond, yes?]

#3. Was Jesus Sent To The Whole World Or Prophet Muhammad
Excerpt: "This topic has led many lazy Muslims at the crossroads, being easily deceived
by the so called Christians with their man-made religion (Pauline Christianity). . ."

Besides "starting" topics, how many posts by muslims can you assure us have not been posted to deliberately defame Christ and Christianity?

spicie:
Seun its also your responsibily to kindly stop such acts in the forum

Your appeal for mutual respect in discussing issues may be all well-intended; and I applaud that. However, what indeed I think Seun should do is delete or remove the multiple threads with same topics that read so many 'views' and "0" replies - especially those recently evolving to clog up the Forum. I don't think it makes sense for the admin to take action to lock up a thread simply because of your personal disaffection.