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@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@stimulus,
WE in the Holy Quran mean ALLAH AND ALLAH ALONE. Any contrary view? Then, your evidence.

Now, you're talking. In common usage, WE, US and OUR are plural pronouns, never singular. There are numerous verses in the Qur'an where 'allah' speaks as plural and not as a singular entity, and that is what I have offered earlier. Let me quote a reminder and ask a more pointed question:

"Yet when WE bestow OUR favours on man, he turns away and becomes
remote on his side (instead of coming to US), and when evil seizes him
he gives himself up to despair! (Qur'an 17:83)

I just want to understand this: why was 'allah' in that verse speaking as US when he said: "instead of coming to US"?? How is it that language, even in Quraish Arabic, could not have used the singular pronouns (I, ME) there is indeed the Islamic 'allah' is a single entity without partners??

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@stimulus
You further exposed yourself to the world.

And the world can read my intelligent inputs, thank you.

firdaus4us:
Surely, you are a distraught man

I'm used to the name-calling and slobber talk. Do you have anything better to offer?

firdaus4us:
The answer to a question with four answers is still narrow?

Are those your answers, or you were posing them as questions with options?

firdaus4us:
Well, to other christians, definately not . You are free to read their answers and comments above.

I have. And. . .??

firdaus4us:
Think deeply next time before you answer question

Oh, you now agree that you had no answers earlier but were offering questions! Okay, English is definitely a problem for you. When you begin to use your brains before posting your antics, we'll be reading more from you.

Happy now??  

jeshua:
why can't babs just say something on what you have here instead of beating about the jungle. He just wants attention

He's been known for the jungle act ever since! 

@jeshua,

Relax. Your appeal should have come when babs787 went on adventure calumniating Christianity. We cooled off and tried severally to provide answers to his plagiarized questions. What did he do with them?

A sincere person does not call others LIARS! Call that "overheated reaction" if you may; but I think we should rather stop this hypocrisy of raising our voices against Christians exposing his fraud. Go through the various posts and see for yourself - to the extent that he even refers to the Muslim authors we quoted from as "deluded authors that lied" --

babs787:
#6. Where are the mystic Books, babs787? || Sura 26:196
'Without doubt it is (announced) in the mystic Books of former peoples.'

I pity your deluded authors that lied in order to deceive you. This is what we have brother.

Now, which Muslim reading that would call babs787 a "sincere" person?? Please come off it. This fraud and continued cavil should stop! When he grows up and sanitizes his attitude on the Forum, he would find other discussants very pleasant indeed!!

You guys should rather be calling him to order. Even as a Christian, I can swallow all the name-calling he has served me; BUT I TOTALLY DETEST HIS DENOUNCING FELLOW MUSLIMS in what you guys now misinterpret as being "sincere"!! If he doesn't like them or agree with them, common sense requires he should simply state it so, and not pretend that he's doing himself and his muslim community any good!!

Ask me to provide further texts for this cavil of babs787, and you will read volumes.

Let's just do the right thing - weigh issues and act like grown-ups without this drama we have become accustomed to!!

Regards!

nossycheek:
lol, how did he escape being beheaded or was is not desecration of the qur'an?

Islamic Law does not consider that as "desecration" - so long as Uthman was a Caliph. The goat that ate the other verses from under Aisha's bed also escaped the punishment for "desecration" of the Qur'an! If the Imams mishandle the Qur'an, nobody is to raise dust!

But if a non-Muslim even "touches" the Qur'an, wahala go start!!

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

You have shown yourself again, always avoiding issues. Mind you, my questions came before yours, so please answer my questions first in the way listed and I will do justice to yours.

Alhaji babs, you can allege as much as you want. Only lackeys in the ghettos argue issues like that - "my questions came before yours!". It doesn't matter how they come, I have dealt with most of them. I only focused on other issues for a while as I'm not the kind to be drawn out into roundabout debates and endless arguments. When I felt it was time to touch up on some of your allegations, what did you do? You exploded and started name-calling . . . even to the extent that you referred to the Muslim authors I quoted as LIARS!!

babs787:
I have prepared detailed response to your question on the use of 'we' in the Quran and when I post it, you will have to refute it.

Thank you; and please leave me the weblinks where you plagiarize them from, so that I can verify that you're not dressing up the articles and quoting them out of contexts!

babs787:
Be a man and stop behaving like a coward.

I'm used to your name-calling; it hasn't helped to erase your fraud.

babs787:
TRUTH HAS COME FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH

Na so! That's why your falsehood is still suffering from the exposure so far!!

TayoD:
@nferyn,

Because it takes some degree of madness to see a creation and insists there is no Creator.

Awww, guys. I think that was just going overboard!

@babs787,

Ojibijibijibi!! I no fit laugh finish!! https://bestsmileys.com/music1/22.gif

Alhaji, cool down small. Shouting and calling people liars is not helping your case at all. It rather shows how terrified you have become, especially when you're referring to your Muslim authors as Liars!! Your brothers should be reading your recent posts and shaking their heads in shame!!

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@stimulus
Do you mean this question is too narrow?
Let me expand it a little!

See:

stimulus:
If you're looking for only one narrow answer, what did the Qur'an tell you?

You see why one wonders if you can understand yourself? My query was that you were looking for narrow answers; and then you came back asking if your question was narrow??

Right, I know sometimes English is hard for some of your folks (e hard for me when I dey study for higher exams!). Even so, can you please tell us what you're seeking - an answer that is in the Bible, or the reconstructed tales that you've already set your mind to believe?

You don big pass this! You and your bros should calm down instead of letting your eyes grow red in desperate reaction to the exposure you're both receiving.

Shalom.

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

Dont worry it has not got to that. When am through with your allegations, you will defend you religion by replying some questions.

Humour me more! As long as you continue to prove yourself as a lackey, there's nothing to defend.

babs787:
You are well known for abuse when you have nothing to offer.

And what are you known for? Go over to the other threads where you have done nothing more than plagiarized other people's artcles as your own, and then categorically called us names. I've often warned you to behave; but just a single thread I opened in answer to your challenges, and you're having nightmares. If I had opened 7 threads nko - will you die straight to the Islamic hell?

I'm quite accommodating; but that doesn't mean you should be so rascally to continually be a schlepp with vitriol against others - to the extent that you ahve categorically referred to Muslim translators as LIARS in the thread I opened!! It was simply because I don't tow that rascally behaviour of yours, that is why I summarized my rejoinder to your so-called answers in my thread.

babs787:
As for the website, you should try to refute those supplied on the imcompleteness of the bible before going round in circles.

I also provided answers in my thread for the "missing books" you alleged against the Bible. Your problem is that you are almost dying out of the embarrassment that I simply applied your own antics on your Qur'an.

babs787:
Go there and refute the response in the thread, 'is the bible complete' , then we will know if sites are worth relying on at times.

Point of correction: your PLAGIARIZED response! I really don't stoop that low, babs787. When you begin to reason on your own, call on me and we will talk, man-to-man!

babs787:
It seems you have not been reading the posts of babyosis, nossycheeks that have been lifting from sites because if you have been, you wouldnt come here tendering your ignorance.

If I was ignorant at all, how would I ever have known that you were plagiarizing other people's articles and claiming them as your own? It is really sinister for you to cop out other people's article and pretend them as yours - which is not what babyosisi and nossycheek were doing. You may not know it, but I saw where nossycheek was leading you all the while. . . and like the lackey you typically are, you fell for her trap!! Smart babe she is!!

Relax! Plagiarism is not so much of a crime if you give credit to the authors.

babs787:
You may shout from now till tomorrow, the fact remains, when am through with your allegations, I will surely ask you some questions in which you must not dodge as you are well known for that.

Olodo. If I was dodging, why did I open that thread to answer your drivel and noise? On top of it, how many times did your eyes turn red when you read how you exposed yourself - the doublespeak, the lies, the calumny??

babs787:
stay glued.

It's a small world. Grow up and stop copping people's articles as yours without giving them due credit - that's theft! More than that, it's sinsiter to calumniate your own Muslim authors!!

@babs787,

babs787:
@stimulus

It is very garing that the question is too hard for you.

Okay. Thank you. Only typically Islamic questions that the posters themselves have not been able to answer are difficult for them!

babs787:
As for your question on the use of 'we' in the Quran, I will myself create thread for the claim

Please, with all pleasure - just humour me!

babs787:
but at the same time answer my questions in the way listed.

If you're about to start another roundabout argument that leads nowhere, then don't bother. If you are seeking honest answers without your usual drama, then I can cut and paste the relevant posts were I answered them all before.

babs787:
I have been answering your questions according to how they are listed. So answer my questions in the link you supplied and you should know that I asked mine before yours.

This is not a matter of seniority; because you haven't demonstrated an iota of maturity yet.

babs787:
So stop behaving like an escapist and let me remind you that you still have three questions in the thread' was jesus crucified.

If those three questions are yours, I will answer them. if they are the ones you rank-xeroxed from other websites and dressed up as yours, just keep your game where it belongs. When you start thinking for yourself, then you will be able to hold a good discussion with others on the Forum.

babs787:
Common be a man

Are you cured of your being a lackey yet??

firdaus4us:
Jesus is the son of,
A)Mary
B)God
C)Mary & God
D)None of the Above

I can't laugh enough! Is this how desperate you guys have become? If you're looking for only one narrow answer, what did the Qur'an tell you?

nossycheek:
@babs787

You have finally exposed your stupidity and that is where I actually want to drag you to. . . Referring Nairaland users to a website is so disgraceful , The tortoise has finally come out of its shelf.

Kai!! Finally! He did not know what this was all about - to lead him to open up that all his scholarship were actually RANK-XEROXED and PLAGIARIZED from other websites!! Ojibijibijibi!!

If only he had seen it coming, he would not have sunk his own ship!!

nossycheek:
The truth has come, falsehood is bound to perish.

Na so!

muhsin:
Am afraid, but I think there is no irrelevance in my reply. SO they say understanding of thing is just like face. Everyones look deffirent. So, I don't know if you actually got me clearly.

Sorry if I spilled your beans - silly me! I'm known for exposing fraud; so don't take me seriously at all.

So, before I spill another one, what exactly were you trying to say?

muhsin:
Further, I was not asking from the Muslims. Who the question concerns? Christians, I believe.

We hear! Muslim asking Christian the question - now it does not concern the enquirers!!

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@stimulus.
Definately mr stimulus, the question is very difficult for you to answer.

If it is, then the word "prefer" must be your problem, no??

We are not going to fall for that silly games you guys play. Lay your cards on the table - tell us what's on your mind - provide the options for the word "prefer" - and then answers will come.

The Bible says, "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him" (Prov. 18:13). Do you now see where we are coming from? We cannot answer your matter before you tell us what's up your sleeves, lest you try to ensnare anyone with your antics.

No be today we begin know you guys!

Shalom.

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@stimulus
WE as used in the Quran means ALLAH.

How many 'allah' are represented by the plural pronoun "WE", "US" and "OUR"??

firdaus4us:
Don't divert our attention away from the main topic of the post, God Is Above Jesus Christ.

Cry louder! Is that not the same thing you and your folks have been doing? This thread seeks to deal with "God Is Above Jesus Christ" - does that sound like the defelction that you guys have been posting all along?

I only offered my questions to help you come round your misgivings. If you can't offer answers, your problem - not mine.

firdaus4us:
Create another topic for your question.

Nope - the present one will do, thank you. Your brother babs787 has been accusing me of opening threads (plural) whereas I opened only one as an answer to his several challenges; and he's jumping round and calling me names.

No qualms. Here, just be man enough to offer explanation as to how your single 'allah' can be a plural "WE", "US" and "OUR" at the same time, if that is not disguised polytheism.

Want more ayats from the Qur'an?? Ask - just a few minutes away!  

@thesilent1,

I earlier stated that I'm not given to arguments that lead nowhere. Since they have been glomming unto that as excuse for their antics, I decided to help them reason. QED.

muhsin:
Great!
Copying and pesting isn't a small job. Well done. Keep on misconstruing, miscalculation, and the likes.
One cannot learn anything without going to the teacher.

Cry closer home, my dear muhsin.

Where were you when your folks were rank-xeroxing misconceptions and pasting on the Forum? Worse than that, they pretended that those articles are their own! It is not just a matter of plagiarism - it is criminal and dishonest. If the above serves as the same thing that your folks have been doing, why are you sobbing?

When they begin to reason for themselves, we will know!

@babs787,

babs787:
You are free to shout till tomorrow. The fact remains that I have not even exposed anything. I have my notes if you care to know that I give to people like to read if they feel like knowing more about religion. I still at times update my knowledge from internet because thats what they are created for, so I see no reason why should contiinue barking like one being possessed.

How many times have you barked like one who hasn't been cured of a jinn attache? The games you and your folks have been playing all along didn't seem to help your reasoning until it has come back home to you, and you're sobbing like the world has ended. Your antics are being exposed - live with it!

babs787:
You know what brother, try to understand posts before posting anything which means that you should reason before posting anything.

You should be taking your own pills before prescribing for others.

babs787:
If you don't understand what I meant, I said since I exposed your falsehood on the imcompleteness of the bible, you have been creating threads and babs has never done so.

Another falsehood that you need to edit here before anyone sees it? I created only one thread - not several thread[b]s[/b]!! Besides, your statement earlier is precisely saying that you have not created ANY thread! Coming back to twist and sugar-coat your statement is what dishonest people do. Stop it - you're bigger than that!!

babs787:
My response hit you real hard and you went annoyingly to create threads, never mind, when I am through with your alleged contradictions, I will post more on your doctrines and you must run. Be prepared.

Only lackeys praise themselves in the hope that their burdens and embarrassments will become lighter! If you're less than a man and a true lackey, be my guest!

However, you can keep sobbing and having nightmares. You don't even have the shame any more to cover up your deception, so much so that you read other people's threads and attribute them to me! Go round and bring out the several threads (plural) that I have opened! Your nightmares have been hunting you for a long time. Live with it!!

babs787:
TRUTH HAS COME FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERSIH.

Na so. We know who is beginning to see with jiga in his eyes!

babs787:
@all christian apologists


Are you servants of God?

Please don't dudge as you are well known for.

When all Muslim apologists will stop playing the al-taqiyya game and think for themsleves without plagiarizing articles from other websites, answers will come!

When people like firdaus4us will learn to use words properly (especially "prefer", then we can move on!

When people like you stop artfully dodging questions posted on this thread, then we can progress the discussion.

Take care.

@babs787,

babs787:
You don't want to stop your noise. why not tell your sister that went lifting from answrin-Islam. You didnt see her but it is mine you would see. It seems I hit you real hard with regards to some of my responses

It is usual for dishonest people to praise themselves - and that is what you have been proving. When I offered you that challenge earlier about rank-xeroxing from other websites, what did you do? Did you honestly acknowledge that was what you were doing? It was simply because you refused to be man enough to acknowledge it, that is why I exposed your fraud this time around. So enjoy it.

babs787:
never mind, you know that I have not created any thread, when your BP come back to normal, I will serve you real hot questions which you must answer like I have been doing here.

Why are you lying again, babs787? You have NOT created ANY thread?? Haba, alhaji. . . I hope your folks can read and understand how much exposure you're lending in support to my assertions that you really act like a total stranger to truth. Before you rank-xerox and plagiarize more articles to pretend that they are your own, please tell me who started all the following threads? --

101 Contradictions In the Bible

Easter: The Truth And Questions For Christians

Which Is The Real Jesus?

Was Jesus Sent To The Whole World Or Prophet Muhammad

Jesus vs. Prophecy

Is Jesus God?

Did Jesus Die For Our Sin? Which Sin?

Just only one thread I opened, body begin bite you?? See who is now agitated and lying to himself! I am so sorry for you, babs787 - it does not help to lie: people are reading how much you are further exposing your dishonesty!!

Cool down, your eye never red finish! You're so disturbed now that you can't even be honest with yourself. "Truth has come - falsehood don perish!

@nossycheek,

nossycheek:
This is clear english and does not require the atilogu dance you are practicing here and on the other questions.

Hey The truth has come, falsehood is bound to disappear!

I dey laugh for my office no be small!! babs787's "Falsehood" don suffer, no be small!!

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@stimulus
.Well, from their utterances we shall know them.

We are getting to know you chaps from your utterances!

firdaus4us:
Back to your question about WE as used in the Holy Quran. The WE Allah used in the Holy Quran is not in anyway means that Allah is more than one. Next time before you post such a question make sure you contact advance dictionary. Notwitstanding, let me help you with some definitions of WE.

I indeed consulted advanced dictionaries before taking my questions straight out of your holy book. You Muslims often accuse Christians of being polytheists. No wahala: we just want you to look a bit closer home before you attempt any such next time.

firdaus4us:
1. nominative pl. of I.
2. (used to denote oneself and another or others): We have two children. In this block we all own our own houses.
3. (used to denote people in general): the marvels of science that we take for granted.
4. (used to indicate a particular profession, nationality, political party, etc., that includes the speaker or writer): We in the medical profession have moral responsibilities.
5. Also called the royal we. (used by a sovereign, or by other high officials and dignitaries, in place of I in formal speech): We do not wear this crown without humility.
6. Also called the editorial we. (used by editors, writers, etc., to avoid the too personal or specific I or to represent a collective viewpoint): As for this column, we will have nothing to do with shady politicians.
7. you (used familiarly, often with mild condescension or sarcasm, as in addressing a child, a patient, etc.): We know that's naughty, don't we? It's time we took our medicine.
8. (used in the predicate following a copulative verb): It is we who should thank you.
9. (used in apposition with a noun, esp. for emphasis): We Americans are a sturdy lot.

source:[/b]Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

Oga firdaus4us, after all the quotation, how have you answered my question? Is English a problem with you guys or what? If I wanted to know the meaning of the words "[b]WE", "US", and "OUR", I know what books to read them up from!

I see you have highlighted #5 in the list of definitions of the word "WE". Lol. . . oga, I have surprises for you! I want you to explain how that relates to my question; and when you do, I will expose the antics of the propaganda Muslim apologists often use to cover up their polytheism. Just be man enough to prove your mettle, and I will oblige you some no-nonsense answers.

Shalom!

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:
@babyosisi, stimulus, davidylan,
Please don't dodge my question! Are you servants of God?.

See who's sobbing! Have you not been dodging/evading questions in other threads? When you lay your cards clearly on the table, you will get answers. If you want to continue your al-taqiyya games, this thread will grow very loooooooong with practically no sense.

firdaus4us:
@stimulus
Check that thread and upgrade your vocabulary.

You can't play games with me. My queries are well-articulated, and I got them straight out of your Muslim books. Would you be a gentleman and prove your mettle by providing answers to my questions on that thread??

@muhsin,

Your question is irrelevant actually. If you're asking from a Muslim point of view, then I would like to know what you really think; and then we can compare with what is stated in their books.

There have been different artistic impressions made as to what Jesus might have looked like. Whether or not He was white or black, so-and-so feet tall, etc. are not questions germane to our salvation. It has been one of the issues that have spiralled out of context for many people to expose their racist biases.

Above all questions of this sort, for me it is enough to read what is stated in 2 Cor. 5:16-17 --

"Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known
Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man
be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are
become new."

That He came as a Jew is without debate; and thereto, the Bible makes clear that "salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22). However, it is irrelevant in what skin colour He came; for through Him, "the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" (Tit. 2:11).

Salvation in Jesus Christ has been offered; it is still being offered - and that is what matters above issues of what He looked like by artistic impressions.

God bless you.

@babyosisi,

babyosisi:
Stimulus that question has also been on my mind and I've asked it repeatedly.
Where did allah keep the Torah,psalms and Injil.
allah eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
where are they?

Lol. . . it's quite simple: they were burnt by the third Caliph Uthman!! https://bestsmileys.com/music1/5.gif

Didn't babs787 loudly proclaim that they are LOST?? He's now been exposed for the hypocrite that he is; and I hope his consolers have been here to see and privately congratulate his failed deception!

Na today we begin know them?? The guy is making me laugh. Whether or not that is his sly intention, I have surprises for him. If he never read im book finish, make e no point fingers at others.

babs787:
@stimulus

You may shout till tomorrow, babs doesnt care. You have shown your trademark. You posted questions in one of the threads in which I never asked you questions rather I answered everything but here you are running frm questions.

Right then. Since it is in your character to shout forever and dodge questions, there's nothing new in that. You think by offering this sob-response, your problem has been solved? Meanwhile, the questions you asked have been answered in my various posts; you only keep noising the same thing over and over again on the Forum.

When you're ready to think for yourself without pretending that the rank-xeroxed artcles you copy from other websites are yours, then you will be schooled. It's very easy to post questions and attack Christianity; but you suddenly go limp in taking care of your own quarters. Have your websites failed you miserably with no articles to rank-xerox, cut and paste in answer to my questions?? Phone them; they might have excuses for you (and be sure they're very good excuses!).

babs787:
Answer my questions in the same way I have listed them for you and I can see that the word 'we' is your problem, don't worry when you answer my questions, I will answer you. You have been known very well for avoiding questions.

When you provide answers to mine, your real nightmares will begin. You're only postponing your gloom; not to worry, it won't go away like smoke.


Meanwhile, firdaus4us, whenever you return from exile, the questions will be there. Even if I'm away for a few days or weeks, you will certainly find me waiting for you! 

LoveKing:
mr pataki your explanation then is total rubbish knowing that matter exist in four forms. try better!

http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/matterstates.htm

Now that we know that matter exists in at least four states, can we then have proof for your assertion that the Word was created?

batu:
@nossycheek and stimulus,
Thanks for the question. To answer it, we do not even need to go to the Biblical account; we just need simple arithmetical sense (not even mathematical sense)

In the Quran, when Muhammed was asked which is the oldest Mosque, he answered that it is the Kaaba and he also said the second oldest mosque is the Al-aqsar mosque in Jerusalem (currently occupying the site of the temple built by Solomon). When Muhammed was asked how many years separated the two "oldest mosques", he said 40 years.

Now, it is on record and we know that the temple built by Solomon was built around 950BC; thus by Muhammed account in the quran, that means the earliest time that the Kaaba could have been built was 40 years earlier i.e around 990BC; assuming that the temple was destroyed and the Arab occupation of Israel occured immediately after building the temple (which is definitely not the case, as the Arab occupation occured much later)
The simple arithmetical question is this: How could Abraham who lived and died at least 1000 years before the temple of Solomon build the Kaaba? Did he come back from the dead? I don't think so! Thus Muhammed and the Quran are lying? Definitely! We do not need the Bible to prove that, only a small Casio calculator possibly.

@batu,

Na wah for you!! I'm waiting for the Mathematicians in Islam to convert this figures in time difference for us.

babs787:
@Stimulus

Its not compulsory that you must see oyb.

Why so? Because already, he/she has got nothing to say?

babs787:
My question is simple and straightforward: WHERE and WHEN was such a thing ever asked of Moses??

If thats the way you want it. Please tell me, are you asking the question from biblical perspective or Quranic so that I will know how to answer you?

My context is clear enough. Muhammad said he received revelation; I want to know where that event ever happened before the verse was revealed!! He could as well have received so many "revelations" which have found their way into the Qur'an, and even though it never happened, you just want us to believe it.

Sorry, we are not mugus. Where in Jewish history did the Jews ever ask such a thing from Moses?? The verse in Qur'an 4:153 says:

Pickthall: - 'They asked a greater thing of Moses aforetime, for they said: Show us Allah plainly.'

YusufAli: - 'Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us God in public,"

Hilali-Khan: - 'Indeed they asked Musa (Moses) for even greater than that, when they said: "Show us Allah in public,"

Shakir: - 'so indeed they demanded of Musa a greater thing than that, for they said: Show us Allah manifestly;

SherAli: - 'They asked Moses a greater thing than this. They said, `Show us ALLAH openly.'

Khalifa: - 'They have asked Moses for more than that, saying, "Show us GOD, physically."

There are a lot of conjectures that we can no longer put up with. Muslims have continued to castigate the Bible. Since the Qur'an was revealed to clarify issues, we want that clarification on truth, and not on falsehood that have no historical verification. There was no time in the history of the Jews that they ever asked any such thing of Moses. If otherwise, where then did Muhammad get this non-existence allegation from?

babs787:
Anybody can just come up and dream up a so-called "revelation" and reconstruct narratives in order to accuse the Jews of just about anything, when such a case never happened. If you want to know, ask the Jews themselves - no single Jew ever asked Moses such a thing! And it is disingenuous to begin here to dribble round that ayat of the Qur'an - a word from "Allah"!! That is why I want to know where Muhammad got that idea from!

Do you the proof that such a thing never happened?

Please humour me.

babs787:
It seems you are confused yourself. Please tell me, who are they if they are not prophets?

Who then is a prophet in Biblical understanding? The prophets preceded Muhammad, and he could not just show up centuries later to redefine issues for them. So, when giving answers, consult your LOST and non-existent books that "cannot be found", and tell us what a prophet was.

babs787:
The real escapists have been showing their faces, running from questions in threads. They know themselves

Okay, make we clap for you for owning up then! https://forums.catholic.com/images/smilies/ani/ani_clapping.gif
When you're done, do you care to provide answers to my questions on how many gods are represented by the "WE" and "US" of the Qur'an in the other thread?

nossycheek:
No need digressing to embrology. We will get to that as I have enough to prove you and your qur'an on that. So keep your copied further explanation, when we get to the bridge we will cross over it. Scientifically your theory fails woefully, but lets be through with this first.

Hehehe. . . I wan die with laff for here!! Some people cannot just reason on their own, and it is second nature to them to rank-xerox articles from the net and pretend it is theirs!! We no go see the end!