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babs787:
Thanks for bringing the questions again from your liars called authors. I will respond to them one after the other.

babs787:
It is quite unfortunate that the English translations of the Arabic Quran was done by many people who don't speak good Arabic. Minister Abdallah Yusuf Ali is a Muslim Minister (Sheikh) from Pakistan and he played a big role in translating the Noble Quran from Arabic to English.

The author of this claim presented this Noble Verse from the Noble Quran, 23:14 "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!" It appears from the English translation that the scientific fact of this verse is false, because the male sperm alone does not and can not form a fetus in a woman's womb.

Let us examine the word "sperm" in Noble Verses 23:13, 23:14, 16:4, 18:37, 22:5, 35:11, 36:77, 40:67, 75:37, 76:2 and 80:19 from the Noble Quran. I looked very carefully at each Noble Verse, and I found out that all of them use the Arabic word "Nut'fa" which was wrongly translated as sperm. The Arabic word for sperm is is "Haywan-Manawee." The Arabic word "Nut'fa" means the actual combination of multiples of "Haywan-Manawee."

So in other words, One "Nut'fa" = One "Haywan-Manawee" + Another "Haywan-Manawee" and so on ,

Now, the word "Haywan-Manawee" in Arabic means either a male sperm or a female egg. It is unfortunate and confusing that the Arabic language unites both the male and the female sperm and egg with one word.

So when the Noble Quran used the word "Nut'fa" in the several Noble Verses above, it didn't just mean the male sperm alone. It meant both the male and the female sperm and egg respectively.

Traditionally in the Middle East, when the word "Haywan-Manawee" is used in a conversation, it is usually meant for the male sperm. The sound of it in Arabic makes its meaning gear more toward the male. However, it may not always be the case that a person is talking about the male sperm alone. That is why Minister Abdallah Yusuf Ali mistranslated the Arabic word "Nut'fa" to "sperm".

A similar case exists in English. Take the word "guys" for instance. When a person says "you guys are nice", it doesn't necessarily mean that the person is talking about males only. In English, I could tell a group of females "you guys are nice." I could also tell a group of males and females mixed "you guys are nice." Traditionally in English, the word "guys" usually means males only. But the actual word could include both males and females

babs787:
[/b]MAN IS CREATED FROM ALAQ---A LEECH-LIKE SUBSTANCE[/b]

A few years ago a group of Arabs collected all information concerning embryology from the QUR'AN, and followed the instruction of the QUR'AN:

"If ye realise this not, ask Of those who possess the Message."

[AL-QUR'AN 16:43 & 21:7]

All the information from the QUR'AN so gathered, was translated into English and presented to Prof. (Dr.) Keith Moore, who was the Professor of Embryology and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto, in Canada. At present he is one of the highest authorities in the field of Embryology. He was asked to give his opinion regarding the information present in the QUR'AN concerning the field of embryology. After carefully examining the translation of the Qur'anic verses presented to him, Dr. Moore said that most of the information concerning embryology mentioned in the QUR'AN is in perfect conformity with modern discoveries in the field of embryology and does not conflict with them in any way. He added that there were however a few verses, on whose scientific accuracy he could not comment. He could not say whether the statements were true or false, since he himself was not aware of the information contained therein. There was also mention of this information in modern writings and studies on embryology. One such verse is:


"Proclaim! (or Read!) In the name Of thy Lord and Cherisher, WHO created---Created man, out of A (mere) clot Of congealed blood."

[AL-QUR'AN 96:1-2]

The word 'alaq' besides meaning a congealed clot of blood also means something that clings, a leech-like substance. Dr. Keith Moore had no knowledge whether an embryo in the initial stages appears like a leech. To check this out he studied the initial stage of the embryo under a very powerful microscope in his laboratory and compared what he observed with a diagram of a leech and he was astonished at the striking resemblance between the two! In the same manner, he acquired more information on embryology, that was hitherto not known to him, from the QUR'AN.

Dr. Keith Moore answered about eighty questions dealing with embryological data mentioned in the QUR'AN and HADITH. Noting that the information contained in the QUR'AN and HADITH was in full agreement with the latest discoveries in the field of embryology, Prof. Moore said, "If I was asked these questions thirty years ago, I would not have been able to answer half of them for lack of scientific information."

Dr. Keith Moore had earlier authored the book, 'The Developing Human'.After acquiring new knowledge from the QUR'AN, he wrote, in 1982, the 3rd edition of the same book, 'The Developing Human'. The book was the recipient of an award for the best medical book written by a single author. This book has been translated into several major languages of the world and is used as a textbook of embryology in the first year of medical studies. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Dr. Moore said, "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the QUR'AN about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- from GOD or ALLAH, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- must have been a messenger of GOD or ALLAH{The reference for this statement is the video tape titled 'This is the Truth'.For a copy of this video tape contact the Islamic Research Foundation}.

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, U.S.A., proclaims: ", these HADITHS, sayings of MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century). It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (ISLAM) but in fact religion (ISLAM) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, there exist statements in the QUR'AN shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the QUR'AN having been derived from GOD."

babs787:
You have shown another level of ignorance here. You are expecting it to be arranged in the Quran in this order: book of Abraham followed by book of Moses etc, nay brother. The books contain stories about the prophets during their time and we have everything you need to know about Abraham and Moses in the Quran.

babs787:
Quran 3 v 65: O people of the scripture! Why do you dispute about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense? So the Quran contains everything you need to know about them and by saying that it has included their books because the Torah contains story of Jesus and we have his story in the Quran. the Injil contains that of Moses and we have his story in the Quran too. So that answers your question.

babs787:
#3. Where are the honoured books? || Sura 80:12-16
'So let him who pleases mind it. In honored books, Exalted, purified,
In the hands of scribes, Noble, virtuous.

like I told your sister nossycheeks, your authors have been putting you in troubles. Must they lie to you in preaching false doctrines. If you had read the Quran before posting, you would have seen that the above verses are talking about the Quran and I will give them to you for your understanding. Please tell your authors to stop deceiving you

Quran 80 v 11: nay (do not do like this); indeed it (this Quran) is an admonition.

V12: so whoever wills, let him pay attention to it.

V 13: it is in records held greatly in honour

V 14: exalted in dignity, purified

V 15: in the hands of scribes (angels)

V 16: honourable and obedient

Hope you have seen that?

babs787:
#4. What 'books' are being referred to; and WHERE are they? || Sura 66:12
'And Marium, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity,
so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted
the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of,
the obedient ones.'

Must you lie brother? Truth stands from falsehood. This is the verse

Quran 66 v 12: And Mary, the daughter of Imran who guarded her chastity. And we breathed into her through our angel (Jibril) and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord (i.e believed in the words of Allah; be – and he was; that is Jesus, son of Mary as a Messenger of Allah) and also believed in His scriptures and she was of the pious,

babs787:
The books referred to are the scriptures i.e the Injil and the Gospel given to Moses and Jesus respectively. Na wa for your websites or authors.

babs787:
You sent three posts which will be answered one after the other. Truth has come falsehood is bound to perish. Be prepared to read my detailed response to your lies especially on the missing verse and that of Khalifites.

babs787:
Brother it is not a fallacious argument. Check it out yourself from the papyril. Stop lying brother, it is glaring that bibles were written according to the church. I didn’t say the bible is imcomplete as result of the missing books alone but as well as some missing verses. Brother, you can't deceive us here, no explanation was provided. I didn’t say the bible is imcomplete based on missing books alone, but also on missing verses, chapters. Check them out in this thread, ‘is bible comple’.

babs787:
You didn’t apply the rules of the missing verses in some bible eg RSV, Good News bible etc

babs787:
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

babs787:
Brother, hope your BP is normal because I can sense that my posts annoyed you. Don’t worry, calm down, it is well. Now like I keep telling you, the Quran is not written like the bible where you have books written by different authors abi na prophet sef. The Quran contains Gospel, Injil and Psalm.

babs787:
You will read the stories of Moses, Abraham and David in the Quran, this goes to tell you that, their books are included in the Quran . if I say their books, I mean their stories as written in the bible and we have them in the Quran. It tells you that the Quran contains the Gospel, Injil and Psalm.

babs787:
IS THE QURAN WRONG IN STATING THAT THE TORAH WAS LOST OR CORRUPTED?

babs787:
The Quran is the last book revealed to the seal of the prophets because the original message of both Torah and Gospel cannot be found.

babs787:
@stimulus

Hope you have been reading them . You are exposing your falsehood further. You can see now that babs answered your questions more than you ever expected, so you should stop avoiding my questions, answer my questions in other threads to show christianity is not a false religion.

babs787:
It seems my exposing your falsehood pained you to your marrow hence the creation of many threads by your friends, but never mind, babs will respond but will soon expose more of your falsehood.

babs787:
TRUTH HAS COME FALSEHOOD IS BOUND TO PERISH.

babyosisi:
OK let's agree that the Koran has the injil,Torah and psalms all incorporated in the Koran as babs said.
what was allah talking about when he said if you had any doubts,consult the people of the book?

secondly can you tell me where in the Koran I can read of Naaman and eleazar?

LoveKing:
I've been thinking : nossycheek,stimulus and david whats your beef with islam?moslems and muhammad? let them be in their falsehood (if thats what you guys think of islam). Christians (if thats what you are) don't need to fight over ideologies and what is truth. This debate is making me sick.

LoveKing:
And about allah. I don't know who explained about the existence of allah. I kind of saw reasons with him about allah being a pagan god centuries before islam. well someone was named abd-allah (allegiance to allah-the god) before muhammad (if he existed) came to earth.

mrpataki:
- 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corithians 2:14

- 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

In other words, the foolishness of God is actually the spirit of God!

mrpataki:
In trying to explain the trinity of God and the Godhead, I will like to take us back to the basic knowledge of physics and science by drawing out the fact that we have what we call MATTER. Which we are told exist in three forms, as:

1. Solid

2. Liquid

3. Gas

firdaus4us:
ok! Pilgrim are you a servant of God or not?

lafile:
Is Babs Avoiding this thread?

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Bk 2, #0461: || 'Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The rewards of my people were presented before me, so much so that even the reward for removing a mote by a person from the mosque was presented to me. The sins of my people were also presented before me. I did not find a sin greater than that of a person forgetting the Qur'anic chapter or verse memorised by him.

Qur'an 4:48: || "Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin."

Malik's Muwatta Bk. 4, #4.1.2: || Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I forget or I am made to forget so that I may establish the sunna."

Sunan Abu-DawudBk. 8, #1469: || Narrated Sa'd ibn Ubadah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: No man recites the Qur'an, then forgets it, but will meet Allah on the Day of Judgment in a maimed condition (or empty-handed, or with no excuse).

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 550: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "It is a bad thing that some of you say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an,' for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do."

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 559: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."

nossycheek:
How can a book full of contradictions be from God. It is certainly, a combination of thoughts and make beliefs.

babs787:
@stimulus


@oyb,Take style answer this question first:

Quote from: pilgrim.1 on May 07, 2007, 12:45 AMMuhammad certainly felt the pressure to authenticate prophethood; and when you consider Sura 4.153, you honestly have to ask yourself where this question was ever asked by the Jews in Moses' day: "They asked a greater thing of Moses aforetime, for they said: Show us Allah plainly.

"Where did the Jews ever ask a greater thing of Moses aforetime?



You know your problem is that it wasn’t written in your bible. It has been confirmed that your bible is incomplete so stop going in circles.

Quran 4 v 153: the people of the scripture ask you to cause a book to descend upon them from heaven. Indeed they asked Moses for even greater than that, when they were struck with thunderclap and lightning for their wickedness. Then they worshipped the calf even after clear proofs, evidences and signs had come to them. Even so we forgave them. And we gave Moses a clear proof of authority.

babs787:
Quran 2 v 55: And remember when you said, ‘o Moses! We shall never believe in you until we see Allah plainly;. But you were seized with a thunderbolt (lightning) while you were looking.

babs787:
@davidylan

You can see yourself now . You have been corrected here again. I could remember when you were corrected by Shahan and here you still showed that you never know anything from the bible only to be corrected by your brother.

If all the aforementioned are not prophets, please who are they?

stimulus:
@firdaus4us & babs787,

There's just one question I wish to ask both of you:

If you have grievances against the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, who are the "WE" (many god[b]s[/b]) that Muslims worship in their Qur'an?

Take a look at the following few verses:

"Even then WE did forgive you; there was a chance for you to be grateful." (Q. 2:52).

"WE bestow of OUR Mercy on whom WE please, and WE suffer not, to be lost, the reward of those who do good." (Q. 12:56)

"Yet when WE bestow OUR favours on man, he turns away and becomes remote on his side (instead of coming to US), and when evil seizes him he gives himself up to despair! (Q. 17:83)

You see, it is easy to attack Christianity and the Bible, accuse us of being polytheists, etc., etc. No problems, as I've said early enough that I'm not given to arguments that lead nowhere, especially of your dishonest type.

Now I want to know simply, who are the many gods of the Qur'an known as "WE" and "OUR" that say Muslims should come to "US"??

You cannot continue to throw such hypocritical assertions against Christians without taking care of your deception. If you need more verses of the Qur'an for the cover-up of Islam's disguised polytheism, ask and I will gladly serve them.

Just be sure you don't play games with your usual antics with my question.

davidylan:
david: Killed Goliath as a shepherd boy and eventually became King of Isreal. Where did Muhammad get the inspiration that David was a prophet?

davidylan:
abraham: Where in the book of Genesis is he refered to as a prophet? Here was a man who was called out from among his family and told to take a journey to a promised land he never entered. Was he a prophet to the desert, his wife, children and servants?

Afam:
Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

4:157. That they said (in boast)
       "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah";
       but they killed him not nor crucified him
       but so it was made to appear to them
       and those who differ therein are full of doubts

babs787:
Without even going into the Quran, it has been established the the bible is incomplete. I have been telling you that if you think that the Quran is incomplete as some apologists have been claiming, bring out a verse as I have done.

babs787:
Your bible confirmed that it has grave defects. Read the preface of the RSV 1971 and I quote:

‘ The king James Version has with good reason been termed ‘the noblest monument of English prose’. Its revisers in 1881 expressd admiratin for ‘its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression… the music of its cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm…. We owe it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation.’

 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/qmtintro.html 

babs787:
The Quran is the last book revealed to the seal of the prophets because the original message of both Torah and Gospel cannot be found.

sisimose:
please also look at what some who call themselves christians do here, you will weep. they all as bad as each other. scoring points, endless verbal attacks on each other's religion, pointless and so uncivilized.

mrpataki:
Jesus was calling on God. That is a well known fact.
But the point is that Jesus and God are the same person.