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I was educated in a country which takes history seriously, you guys in Nigeria are very badly educated in the field of history.
Most of you just keep repeating ethnic propaganda and fairytales and you call that history. When shown actual history, it feels like you are about to have a heart attack.
You guys believe you can just wake up today and by the virtue of your DNA, you would know what happened 300 hundred years ago without any eyewitness written documents.
Just so you know, many of you descend from Brazilian slaves who were deported to our shores by Europeans. So perhaps your magical DNA powers are actually telling you the past of Brazil and not of our region and you just got it confused. Magic is not a precise "science". 😅

Gajagojo:
Free your mind of the shackles. Of

Oyinbo talk am so it must be so

Free your mind from the shakles of stupidity and racism.
Eyewitnesses made the map, therefore it must be so.

Are you an eyewitness to the 18th century ?


Emanuel Bowen, 1747
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Gajagojo:
Imagine arguing based on a map of your homeland in 1747 drawn by a person who never went there.

4. Imagine being alive in 2023 and arguing about things which took place before your great great great grand father was born ? And arguing without any evidence!!! And arguing against actual evidence !

"Drawn by a person who never went there" : were you there ? Why do you keep saying unsubstantiated nonsense ?
The map was made in 1747 by eyewitnesses, why does this bring about a debate ? Shouldn't you be happy that we have a picture of that era ?
No, because it goes against your ethnic propaganda!

Gajagojo:
The problem folk like you have is you have no concept of a who you are that is not defined in colonial or European terms

3. Actually your problem is that you do not understand the concept of history ! You can not stand here today and guess what happened hundreds of years ago !!!
You need eyewitness written documents!!! The ethnicity of those who wrote the documents is irrelevant!!!
An eyewitness written document below:
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Gajagojo:
The land was the same in 1747 It has not increased since 1747

1. Nobody is talking about the land, rather we are talking about precolonial countries, can you see the difference?
For example, if you look at Abeokuta, the land has existed for thousands of years, however Abeokuta itself was created only around 1830 !
2. How would you even know if the land has changed or not ? Were you there in that period of time ?
How do you know if at some point there was not a river, a forest, big houses ....

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Actual history.
Map published in 1747.
Author: Emanuel Bowen.

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

You guys do too much blabla, our part of the earth has been recieving literate visitors since the 1400's, those visitors wrote documents which describe our region and which we can access today. So why not look at those documents? Why doing everything but looking at historical documents while discussing history?
Why are you guys not smarter than children ?

The only true oromiyan is that region of Ethiopia which answers that name.
Nigerian oromiyan, Oduduwa...are all fairytales, they never actually existed.

Bla bla bla bla...
Nobody cares about your fairytales.

True history:

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Bla bla bla bla...
Nobody cares about your fairytales.

Africa 1747
Author: Emanuel Bowen

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia


No need for blabla or shouting matches, just evidence.

olugabbie:
We do

I am 100% sure that we have portable air defense systems(short range). We don't have medium/long range air defense systems.

Let us just say Libya of 2011 had much better airdefenses than Nigeria of today.
That tells you that any country with an airforce or missiles will do what it wants in Nigeria without any opposition.

Gajagojo:
What is Negroland?

You have eyes just like me, I too wasn't born in 1747.
Things were very different back then.
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Gajagojo:
On what basis?
Did he ever visit Oyo?
You need to free your mind from colonial mentality

1. On the basis of visiting Africa and making maps.
2. I think you should rather ask yourself what form oyo had back then, if you look at the example of Abeokuta, you will see that Abeokuta didn't exist yet, it was created around 1830.
3. What does the map have to do with colonialism?

Padipadi:
Ok. Cos there was never a Benin too. It was a kingdom that Ife people trained their artisans bronze that got into limelight cos of 1897 British invasion.
If you can distort history, yours too ll be distorted. Your map is a fake map.


To add to this, every tribe, tom dick and harry now believe they can say trash about Yorubas. Are you all mad?
E fe sofo ni?
Are Yorubas the cause of your misfortunes?
Everyone is enduring Nigeria so don't put mouth in others business/history/politics.

You are just a fanatic. I brought you evidence, a map drawn by Emanuel Bowen and published in 1747

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

You guys are not better than boko haram, you are just as fanatical.

Gajagojo:
Who drew this map?

Emanuel Bowen.

Padipadi:
How can a map of Africa of 1747 not have Oyo empire?

Because there was never an oyo empire to start with !
It is just very strange that you rather dismiss hard evidence than dismiss your unsubstantiated beliefs.
Oyo was a small kingdom.
You are supposed to look for precolonial maps to see when its existence started, not to already have a belief and dismiss Precolonial maps for not validating your beliefs.

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Padipadi:
Are you now saying your evidence is better?
Don't derail this thread.

In this map you displayed, other notable kingdoms weren't displayed. Is this a customised one for Benin or what?
Moreso, you seem to be from Benin.

My origin is irrelevant as I present evidence which doesn't care about my origin.
The map was published in 1747 and it was made by people who witnessed that era of time, unless you have magical powers to know better than them what you did not witness and which they did witness, you have to change the way you think in order to adapt to reality rather than changing reality in order to adapt to the way you think. Many places which you call kingdom today were either not created in 1747 or were mere villages part of other kingdoms then. You guys in Nigeria have a bad idea of the concept of time, you believe that whatever you can see today has always existed (and in that form)
This guy dared ask me if the precolonial map was costume made for Benin 🤣

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

A guy makes a claim with no evidence, I come and prove him wrong with evidence. And this one here is talking about "opinions" and then asking me if I think my evidence is better.
You guys are real fanatics.

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Padipadi:
Are you now saying your evidence is better?
Don't derail this thread.

Do you even listen to yourself ?
The guy has no evidence!
I'm bringing evidence and you were talking about "opinions" now you are asking me if I think my evidence is better?
What new logic do you use ?
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Padipadi:
Another one is here. You all should behave sane and allow the op to narrate his story.
If you feel you have contrary opinion, create your own thread. We all know Nigeria is a country with so many tribes that doesn't like each other and break-up is imminent. But before that time, let's respect each other or people like you ll carry curses.

I'm providing evidence, how can you equate evidence with opinion ?
If a guy claims your house in court and you provide the papers to prove it is your house, should the judge say it is just a battle of opinions ?

History is not a matter of opinions, it is a matter of evidence.
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TajuDEENaMao:
Sit tight and watch what becomes of your miserable life from now on.

Alailòpólò

Next time you'll learn how to keep your godforsaken tongue shut.

You made me do it.

Go and seek the help of a psychiatrist. You are delusional.

TajuDEENaMao:
Be warned! I'm not here for your silly ethnic slurs. If you continue derailing my thread I won't have any option than making your life miserable. I'm not just your average Nairalander but a core traditionalist. If you think you're invisible then wait till you get smoked out by any means necessary.

Oh so you are mentally ill in addition to being a tribal bigot?
Oh, I see. Look, if you pretend to be doing an information and historical thread, then I will put in real history on it. You should have claimed your thread was a tribal propaganda thread, in which case I wouldn't have come in with history and evidence.

You are a scammer, you promised history and you serve fairytales and propaganda. I provide history.
Nobody migrated from Ife.

Do your worse.

TajuDEENaMao:
Please, don't derail this informative and educational thread with your stupid tribal bigotry.

I literally have a book written in the colonial era which states clearly that Yebou is a vassal of Benin.
I don't do tribalism, that is your thing.
You keep making claims but you have no evidence to back your claims.
I provided you with a Precolonial map, and you are calling me a tribal bigot ?
https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

Providing evidence makes me a historian (though not my job), not a tribal biggot. You however with no evidence, you keep repeating tribal propaganda.

Adjovi:
Soviet Union defeated the Nazis not Russia you can't change history Mr man. Russia is what we are talking about and not the Soviet Union

Most of the fight of the eastern front took place within what we now call Russian federation. And most of the soviet casualties of WW2 was taken in places which are within what we now call Russian federation.
Also, just for your own information, the USSR is the successor state to the Russian empire which was even larger than the USSR.
So when someone says Russia and doesn't specify if he's talking about the federation or the empire or the USSR, it would be normal for you to ask for some precision rather than assuming the person is confusing the USSR with the Russian federation.

Yebou was a vassal state to Benin by the way.

Nobody migrated from Ife, you guys should stop with all these fairytales which are not backed with any evidence.

The Oni of Ife is not an emperor, he is just the monarch of a small village called Ife. These fairytales were made for political reasons. It is time to stop taking the people for fools.

DiamondPant:
According to Wikipedia, Ewuare II is 69 years old while Tinubu is 71 years old.
Ewuare II is the Oba of Benin, not even the whole of the state. Tinubu is the president of the whole country.
Ok...
Some celebrate the picture as an act of humility or respect for a monarch.
It would have been a yes for me if the person showing the respect were just a billionaire businessman or someone from the Oba's territory.
This is the President of a country, the number 1 citizen!
It's alright.

Like most Nigerians who know nothing about history, you confuse Benin kingdom with its capital Benin city.
Benin kingdom was as big as Nigeria itself, see map from year 1747 below. So note that Edo-state is part of Benin kingdom, not the reverse.

Also you do not understand democracy, in a democracy, the president is an employee of the citizens, he's a civil servant. You guys are so used to dictatorship that you don't understand democracy. A president is not a king, a president doesn't have the prestige of a king, a president is a civil servant.

https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia

bjdon:
I've never been a Tinubu supporter, but he's winning me over. We Binis love respect and tradition. Tinubu has gained great credit amongst the Binis with this gesture

Stop using the word "Bini", the name of the people is Edo !

FreeStuffsNG:
Smh. Many followers from where? Asiwaju is a Patriotic Nigerian extraction from a majority tribe in Nigeria o, not a minority tribe
Btw, the Benin royalty is Yoruba. Watch him greet a Yoruba Oba


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGDhodxhpgA

The Benin royalty is not Yoruba, but most Yoruba seem to have this dream of the Benin royalty being Yoruba.

Vl3ly:
The Turks confirm previously voiced information that in Vilnius the issue of extradition of military-age citizens to Ukraine from Europe was discussed.

According to them, the SBU, the National Police and Interpol are working to find combat-ready Ukrainians dispersed throughout Europe, collect them and send them to Ukraine.

This once again confirms the thesis that the West is not joking when it talks about the war to the last Ukrainian, and concrete steps are being taken along this path.

What will they do when they run out of ukrainians?

newdawn2017:
he asked u a simple question if u re an illiterate. How is that an Insult? ibos & their senseless arrogance sef. Who re u??

Have a nice one @newdawn2017
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