₦airaland Forum

Iupacnomenclatu:
lolll..I see your point.Lagos belongs neither to the Yorubas or Igbos!Your history book says it was originally occupied by the Binis as a base for trading ,mind you.But they(the BinIs)were reportedly expelled OVER 500 years ago!Good..fine!

History of Lagos sovereignty in chronological order:
1) Benin
2) Britain
3) Nigeria

And the British took Lagos from Benin around 1860, so what the hell are you talking about?

lawani:
If you can't google, you can travel. Ask the meaning of Agenebode, Ogotun and what language they speak in Ugbodu and environs in Delta state and what deities are worshipped in Benin and why one of their Kings was called Ogun and etc. I guess you are Igbo. It is better you focus your energy on holding Igbo together as a force rather than playing a spoiler in the affairs of others. I don't see how such an attitude can help anybody.

The traditional religion of Benin is the worship of Thane ancestors of the Oba.
Which One of Benin was called Ogun? Where is your evidence? And even if that were the case, what exactly would that prove ?
Now you are making claims about lsnguage spoken in delta state
And it is about guessing my ethnicity ?

How did we go from "provide evidence" to this ranting of yours ?
Dude, just prove your claims instead of making other unsubstantiated, unrelated or illogical claims.

lawani:
Yoruba agree among themselves but you don't agree with what the Yoruba agree but you want to rewrite another history for the Yoruba when you are not Yoruba?.

So if I slap you and we both agree nothing happened then nothing happened?
History is not about agreeing to believe a story, it is about actual proven events.
You guys still don't understand this.

lawani:
I gave you living things as evidence Agenebode, Ugbodu, Ogotun. Maybe you should Google them. Others are Onitsha, Ogba land and etc.

I don't do research in history like that, the internet is filled with trash and many of your revisionist brothers have written lots of rubbish on African history online.

What exactly do you mean by "living things as evidence" and how do the things you claim are evidence prove your claim. Don't expect me to help you prove your own claim which I know is false! I don't go on wild goose chases.

It is very simple, provide evidence, nothing less, nothing more.

t2luv1:
Partner I was this close in agreeing with you until the last election when people in Enugu state stated that a candidate born in Ebonyi state can never be governor in Enugu state. Mind you the man in question was an Ibo man and last time i checked Enugu state is also Ibo, Now I am all in with this tribal thing. Let me know when a Yoruba person get elected into an office in any of the SE states,

So the Enugu people are not tribalists therefore you support tribalism in Lagos?
You said it yourself, they did not allow a man to be governor on the basis of him being Igbo, the requirement is that he must be born in Enugu. And your own conclusion is that any Yoruba should get preferential treatment in Lagos?
Show me the logic here.

lawani:
That a lie is repeated a million times does not make it true. There were several independent Yoruba speaking states in West Africa and Benin was one of them. No other language was used as lingua franca other than Yoruba. They named their towns Yoruba names. Ago Onibode, Ogotun and etc, use Ifa, worship Yoruba deities and etc. They speak Edo in their palace today only because the empire collapsed and not for any other reason.

Provide evidence of admit you are a liar.
All you guys ever do is to claim those who don't agree with you are liars (eventhough they provide evidence to what they say ) and then you procede to tell an unsubstantiated story...

Samueli007:
I have been following some comments here on nairaland for a very long time on the issue of Lagos ownership.
I think it's just pure jealousy on the part of the Igbo people. Y'all claiming Lagos is no man's land is just the height of it.

Na only una tribe they claim Lagos ownership, as if you people are the only tribe living in Lagos with the Yorubas.

Y'all should please stop this rubbish and stop taking Yoruba people accomodating nature for foolishness.


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So someone write Lagos belongs to awori and Yoruba in the internet, therefore it is true ?
Please be serious, as I already stated, Yoruba are migrants in Lagos just like Igbo and haussa. And actually the most disrespectful migrants in Lagos are the Yoruba who basically are trying to colonize Lagos.

professorPABX:
You are blinded and insane that is why you can be rubishing Lagos Traditional council. You call IDEJO chief IDEJO guy Legislation will open your eyes. I forwarded your insanity on nairaland to him and few other elders. They agreed legislation will open your eyes.

If not oral history that was documented for record purposes, the tradition and culture would not have been preserved. Nobody can tell the Aworis, Ijebus and Eegun of Lagos their history more than themselves. They have been living on the land for centuries before colonial masters or civilizations or education or history came. Coronation rites for new king, Burial rites for King that joined their ancestors, historical sites and rites, traditional festival are all transmitted from generation to generation orally before being documented by those chosen to do so.

Propaganda written as history can never be used by Lagos Council of Traditional rulers and Lagos Parliament. Chinedu cannot come and scatter Rhodes Vivour family. In Yoruba land, there is a popular adage that when a prominent family is peaceful and progressive, a bastard child among them has not grown up. Now, we can see he has grown up. There is nothing anybody can do against that legislation.

I'm fine talking to you, and this is the reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PYb28ULHQ
You are not a logical person, and it is impossible to bring you to logic and reality. You have beliefs and never deviate from them even when they are proven wrong:
The wise advised people to not debate fools.

iykofias:
A train with weapons going to Ukraine reportedly robbed in Poland.

3 boxes of ammunition, grenades and other ammunition allegedly stolen.

Hmmm, and now criminals in Poland have those weapons of war? 🤣
These despotic politicians will kill us all.
I keep asking myself why the EU wants to kill itself for Ukraine's sake ? Is the EU officially a USA colony ?

Iupacnomenclatu:
Answer my question first.Do the Indians with their large population in England and several other countries tag their host communities' A NO MAN'S LAND'?
Mind you the indians also contribute alot to the economy of their host communities.And how do you know I'm a Lagos migrant and not a Lagos indigene?

Your claim of "Lagos is Yorubaland" is just as disgusting as the Igbo claim of "Lagos is no man's land", you are both wrong and disgusting.
How do I know that you are a migrant and not an indigene ? Ask yourself how you know!
Unless you are more than 500 years old, what proof can you provide ?
I actually know the history of Lagos and the fact it was taken from Benin by the British and then flooded with slaves and other migrants, the migration continues to this day.

ibtommy:
Okay, can a Yoruba man buy a land and erect a building on it in Enugu? Let's face reality and stop spewing trash.
Ori e o fokasibe!!!

Yoruba are not indigenous to Lagos, they are migrants just like the Igbo and haussa.
If you want to compare with Enugu then you need to use the example of Ibadan, not Lagos.
You guys are the example of bad migration policy. You are a bunch of migrants, many of you haven't even migrated yet, and you believe you are many enough to just basically claim the land exclusively for yourselves now.

ola6:
This is the daftest perspective on this matter.

Did the Pakistani mayor or Indian pm speck Hindu or call UK a no man's land?

Did they drag politics with the locals by saying they don't "think English" like the little ode called GRV?

Did they wear their traditional clothes to campaign in UK?

Did the Yoruba man campaign in Yoruba ?

Some of you onlineers just say daft things without thinking

You are migrants not different from haussa and Igbo in Lagos. But you are turning into colonizers. That is what you guys don't fully understand.

Iupacnomenclatu:
Did they challenge the indigenes?Did those nationals you mentioned above tag their host state or county as a NO MAN'S LAND?

You are also a migrant in Lagos !
You are turning into colonizers of Lagos given how you keep acting.
By the way, whom are the indigenous people of the USA ?

Tiopii:
I just asked a question, Yes or No?

I don't read minds, so I can't answer your question, try and ask a native doctor or a magician.
I gave you common sense: we all die in ww3, and we all should be afraid !

Alaigbomaster:
How's that your concern all the way from agulu?

Lagosians are Yorubas that's all that matters

If one Adebayo Timi from Ogun is going to obtain Lagos indigene certificate at the secretariat or Oba palace, you Okafor ibe from ebonyi can follow him to obtain it too, then you'll explain yourself there

And this system exists since when ?
I always thought Igbos would cause the next civil war, but I can see Yoruba are clearly the people whom are pushing Nigeria into a civil war.
Your ethnic bigotry is legendary and it is why the Midwest left the western region.

Tiopii:
It isn't 300k anymore, it is now 350k😂😂😂😂😂. Before next week it'd get to 400K. Maybe you think Russia are planting and harvesting soldiers.

since it's 350K, no wahala. Let them show workings

Russia asked for 300000 reservists, and it got 50000 more people who were not called but volunteered to defend their country.

Tiopii:
oh so Russia is scared?

I believe everybody should be scared, are you deaf ? In ww3 we all die !
Is that what you want ?

Christistruth03:
If you don't know Yoruba History go and Learn it before commenting

It is those who call themselves Yoruba who do not know yoruba history.
1) Yoruba is not a people, it is the former name of oyo kingdom.
2) your ancestors adopted that name because they were deported slaves from the American continent or European continent.

Uprightness100:
Greta Thunberg demands Russia's Vladimir Putin be punished for "ecocide" in Ukraine.

Greta the incredible idiot.
Greta, where is evidence Russia committed the terror attack ? The same terrorist explosion favours Ukraine and disadvantages Russia. By the way Greta stupido, why don't you ever talk about the nord stream ?
Oh, I see, you only talk about environment when your handlers let you do it and they only let you do it when it is politically convenient for your donors, and in this case your western propaganda claims Russia did it, so you can use that perception (not fact) to call for punishment of the president of Russia.
Also Greta idiotissimo, who would punish the president of Russia ?

professorPABX:
You don't know anything. You are still blinded and insane. Your history is a propaganda. There is a genuine history passed from generation to generation through the custodian of history. An IDEJO chief whom I discussed Social media issue of the legislation asked me to ignore you and your brothers. He said you are blind and insane for saying Olofin is a fairytale.

When you get to Isheri before Berger where we have OPIC, go and tell them Olofin is a fairytale.

At some point, I have to stop talking to you.
You are uneducated and dumb.
I show you documents written hundreds of years ago by eyewitnesses to the region hundreds of years ago, you say that that is propaganda.
Then you tell me that some idejo guys have authentic history which is passed down generation to generation So basically your definition of history is whatever sn idejo guy says and your belief that he got history which was passed down generation to generation...and your proof for that passing down of history is You witnessed the passing down ?
I guess you are one million years old.

Let us just enter your fantasy of history being passed down generation to generation orally : who decides what events need to be passed down ? Over 1000 years how many giga of history would need to be passed down orally ?

As I said, you do not understand the meaning of history and for your information, your idejo guy is a crook who hoodwinks slow people like you. History relies on evidence, not beliefs !

ogunijebu18:
Refugee is ashamed of his origin. Just tell us. Don’t be scared

How is my origin relevant to the discussion?

Lucas4903:
Even Canadian provinces have different laws that applies to resident of that province and if u live in another province you might not have adequate opportunities like those who are resident there. Is Florida not having thesame law or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania🤷. It’s not strange.

The lesson of the last election for Lagos is an eye opener. If you gladly welcome people into ur home and they are well treated and then turn around to say ur home is a no man’s land. I guess u ought to think twice. Hence the proposed law.

So "resident" and "indigene" are now the same thing ?

ogunijebu18:
Refugee is still talking. Where are you from?

My origin, which is not hard to find to people with held a brain, is irrelevant for the discussion.

The thing is that Yoruba "history" keeps changing, you guys make your "history" according to your mood of the day.
Even your monarchs keep changing their titles.
Look at olubadan for example, in the early colonial era his title was "Bale", somehow he changed it to Olu (as in Olu of Warri)

ogunijebu18:
Can you prove Yoruba are descendants of slaves? Who were we slaves too? You might actually be the slave in our land that’s why you’re wailing now
You still never said where you’re from. Refugee

Some of your ancestors were slaves in the American continent and europe, some of them were local slaves.
You know what happened in Sierra Leone and Liberia (the deportation of slaves), it happened in Nigeria to a much greater extent, yet most of you know about Liberia and Sierra Leone, but don't know about your own ancestors having similar origins.

ogunijebu18:
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’ll let you believe that. Meanwhile you still are too ashamed of where you’re from. Yoruba this Yoruba that. Who are you? Refugee 😂

When presented with facts, ignorant people laugh.
You see, it is not about what you feel, it is about reality, and what I said is well known by educated people which is not your case nor that of people around you.
You don't find it strange that you are all calling yourself "yoruba" which is actually the name of a Precolonial county also known as oyo kingdom ?
Then you have the laughable fairytales of Oduduwa and migration from Ife (which was a small settlement until 1912)

ogunijebu18:
Lagos this that. You don’t know where you’re from?

I think it is you who don't know where you are from. Most Yoruba descend from deported slaves and local slaves. The shame of their identity made them invent stories about their origin, now their great grand kids still hold on to those fairytales and have no clue of their origin.

ogunijebu18:
Wherever you’re from go pass it there and see if we care

The problem is that Yoruba whom are migrants in Lagos can't pass such laws in Lagos without consequences.
You guys are migrants who claim to be indigenous. And this is very disturbing because many of you are not even born in Lagos nor even have roots in Lagos, your roots are in some southwestern state and you are claiming to be indigenous to Lagos and your argument is "Lagos is Yorubaland".

ogunijebu18:
The law will be passed. Go pass the same law in your east and see if Yoruba care.

So I'm from the east now ?
You yoruba are the biggest bigots in Nigeria, and you are migrants in Lagos, just like the Igbos and the haussas

professorPABX:
Mr man go and sleep. Document written by eyes witness my foot. You are blind and insane. The documents must have been written by our great grandfathers that were illiterates as at time.

History doesn't work like that, the ethnicity of the person writing the documents doesn't matter and since you clearly know nothing about history, let me explain to you that our region had been recieving European visitors right from the 1400's, those guys could write and wrote down their encounters with us. Their texts are still available to be read today. I provided some of those in the form of Precolonial maps and texts.

ogunijebu18:
If they evict you you’ll go. If you don’t you’ll be arrested refuse and you’ll be shot

You guys will kickstart the next civil war, and let me inform you that after that civil war, both Igbos and Yoruba and haussa whom are not residents of Lagos will need visas to enter.

akslink:
Go and do your research! United States declarations on the rights of indigenous people is their on internet for you to read. The India constitution is recognised and protects the rights of indigenous peoples, including the rights to self governing , protection of their culture and property, it all available on internet for you read, and your state’s can do the state to protect your identity.

You are not answering my question: who are the indigenous people of the USA whom you are talking about ?
India is a special case and there are many things in India which should not be copied: Indians have a caste system which gives people value based on the lightness of their skin.
Let me ask an other question: who are the indigenous people of Lagos?