₦airaland Forum

ImperialYoruba:
Oh, maybe Im part of his Council of Chiefs. Have you thought about that?

Or maybe you are a fanatical liar like most Yoruba. I'll go with the fanatical liar thing.

Anybody who disrespects the Oba of Lagos is definitely not and indigene of Lagos.
By saying "Akiolu" instead of "Oba Akiolu", you revealed yourself to not be an indigene of Lagos, contrary to your nonsensical "agbolo" claim.

ImperialYoruba:
Agbole is not a law.

Is DNA a law? No.

Agbole is our dna. You cant legislate indigeneship in Lagos. If you dont like it follow Akiolu advise, the Lagoon is still there, jump in.

DeathParade:
1) Is this thread about Indian Caste System?
Answer: No.

2) Why did you bring Indian Caste System into this debate when you yourself say you are not an expert on it?
Answer: Because you find it beneath you to learn any lessons from India when it comes to the topic of this thread: protecting indigenous people.

3) Did you stop making bogus claims about Indian Caste System such as the claim that skin colour discrimination led to Caste System?
Answer: No.

4) Did you make strawman arguments trying to insinuate that I am denying Skin-colour discrimination in India just because I am denying that it led to creation of Caste System?
Answer: Yes.

5) Did you pick relevant points from my reply regarding the actual topic of this thread and thereby make an effort to stop derailment of this thread?
Answer: No.

I really don't have time to keep this back and fourth with you, quick chronology:

1) someone claimed India should be taken as a good exemple for protection of indigenous people
2) I said no, and my argument was that India has a racist cast system
3) you came and said my claim on India's cast system was untrue and your argument was that you knew about one person whose skin is as dark as that of an African who was among the top caste.
4) I proved my point about racism against darker skin colour in India by using YouTube videos.
5) you complain that I didn't use words and that I am lazy to not comment the videos, even though I actually wrote a comment on the post of the first videos and wrote an other comment at the post of the last video. I guess, I have to attach a comment to every video to make you happy (yeah, and I work for you 'ow I guess 😅)
6) I explain that I'm not a specialist on India's cast system (but I don't need to be a specialist on chemistry to know to not bath with acid), and I reaffirm the well known fact that India's cast system favours the lighter skin colour.
7) I also ask you to provide the percentage of darker skin people whom are in the top caste instead of relying on the one token guy (who may or may not exist by the way).
8 ) you ignore the question and continue to cry like a baby

Now consider your butt hurt and lying by omission and entitled self ignored. I've got a real life to live in the real world

DeathParade:
How lazy can you be? You refuse to use your words and instead post two videos that are unrelated to your original claim and my counter-claim about skin colour. It is also apparent that you deliberately ignored the latter part of my comment, the part that actually has something to do with the topic of this thread. Shows that you are not interested in a serious discussion about the topic on hand. You just want to deflect, and your way of doing that is to turn this from a conversation about protection of indigenous people into a conversation about India's "Caste System".

Use your words man. Or don't reply at all.

1) am I a specialist on India's cast system ?
Answer: no !
2) does my expertise or none expertise on India's cast system matter?
Answer: no
3) does India's cast system favour lighter skin colours?
Answer: yes
4) is the Indian system racist against darker skin colours ?
Answer: yes
5) why did I post the videos ?
Answer: you were lying by omission and trying to gaslight me, and making everything about being an expert on India's cast system.
6) so you know one person at the top of the Indian cast system whose skin is very dark ?
Cool, what is the percentage of people on the top of the Indian cast system whose skin is very dark ? The trick of favouring one person of a community (while the rest of that community are treated poorly) and then always pointing to that one guy in order to claim there is no injustice is a very old trick.
7) how lazy am I ?
Answer: I don't work for you, nor do I owe you any work, also I have a life in the real world, I'm not at the disposition of Nairaland nor of yourself.

I think we don't need to exchange any words after this. Try and learn how to talk with respect, otherwise don't talk at all.

Believe the pro-india propagandist at your own peril.
Once you get into India, all his claims will vanish and you will meet the reality of intense discrimination based on the colour of your skin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JiTfEqGJo

Anybody who wants to take India as an exempme on social issues is a dumb idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9yTmNFde5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDJabnirTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW7_2-snzOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhYdxMeTcS0

DeathParade:
I have heard many outrageous claims about Indian "Caste System" from foreigners but this one takes the cake. "Caste System" is based on the lightness of skin? Dude, some Tamil Brahmins are blacker than many Black Africans. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaN4hFrntZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lGvKgjAqz8

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I think everybody should start ignoring yoruba when it comes to history. They don't have a clue about history. They just repeat their ethnic propaganda and never deviate from it. No matter how many times you prove them wrong, they won't deviate from their disproven belief. They don't reason with logic and they don't care for facts, they only care to repeat their propaganda and drag you down into a debate which is not based on fact and logic, that is all they can do.

ImperialYoruba:
Any person that can verifiably tie his ancestral root to an Agbole in Lagos, that's an indigene of Lagos.

And you made that law because you are Jesus Christ the saviour of mankind? Please stop saying rubbish.

Christistruth03:
Another one
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

Tell me when you get some sense and stop saying rubbish.
Oduduwa is a fairytale and Ife is younger then Benin.
And your "praise name" story is complete nonsense and invented by you Yoruba propagandists.
The Oba of Benin's title is Omo n'Oba n'Edo Uku akpolokpolo. That is it. Nobody migrated from Ife, Ife is a new settlement, newer than Abeokuta which was created around 1830. So people migrated into Ife, not the other way around.
Look, stop quoting me. You can't learn like the fanatic which you are. Go and discuss with your fellow fanatics in boko haram, leave sane people alone. I'll ignore you from now on.

I won't reply you guys anymore. You are not worth my time.

ConfidentialDoc:
Okay then.
I'm not here to educate you about the difference between indigenous and aboriginal.

You should try and educate yourself on the fact that Canada was created by colonisation by the UK of other people's lands.
Most Canadians are not indigenous to that land.
As for educating me in the difference between aboriginal and indigenous: 🤣😅. You know nothing about Canada, stop hiding behind fake dictionary "controversy"

ConfidentialDoc:
Canada have laws protecting aboriginal lands. These guys were in the land before the place was known as Canada. White Canadian man cannot do any how in those lands
Nothing wrong in protecting those in Lagos who were there before it was even called Lagos.

All Canadian land is indigenous land, you don't know a single thing about Canada nor about what you are talking about. You have definitely never been to Canada or any western country, stop pretending to know.
Everybody should disregard your ignorant comments.

Draei:
See two mumus hyping shiiit. See your Oba here.


https://www.nairaland.com/7102975/president-buhari-receives-benin-traditional

He said, "leave the palace anyhow".
The Oba doesn't go out for frivolities, he went to visit buhari in order to bring development to Edo state and to the Niger Delta in general.

T8ksy:
Awori in yoruba means; where the bowl sank

semi literate talking points don't work on me.
There is no etymology to west African languages so you can basically assign meaning to any word and claim it is part of your language.
I wonder who you think you are talking to.

T8ksy:
Oh well, fye, Aworis didn't just popped up in lagos from nowhere, rather they migrated from ile-ife.

Provide evidence, I'm tired of talking to you yoruba, you just keep making unsubstantiated claims.
You guys are mostly just fanatics parading your beliefs as knowledge.
The fact I don't know doesn't imply that I will just accept your unsubstantiated claim. I'm not as dumb as that. And if you thought I had not heard someone make this your claim many many times, you are only kidding yourself. It is well known that you guys just claim everybody migrated from Ife. The oni of Ife even tried to claim Igbo migrated from Ife.
The fact is that all these claims of migration are unsubstantiated and Ife is not even as old as Lagos by the way, so if awori migrated from Ife then they are definitely not indigenous to Lagos.
But again, your claims of migration are always without proof, just mouth...like you saw the said migration, you are 200 years old, right ?

ogunijebu18:
https://guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/
Edo know it’s fact already. It’s none if your business anyway as you’re not Edo or yoruba

What does my ethnicity have to do with anything ? And how do you know that I'm not Edo ?
How does any of this prove your claim.
Ok bye bye, you have nothing inteligent to say.

ogunijebu18:
It says it right there. Before the oba of Benin was founded Edo had ogiso rulers.
https://www.edoworld.net/origin_of_the_Edo_people.html

So blogs are now historical evidence ?
Stop wasting my time.

We were all afraid of Islamisation of Nigeria and failed to notice the yorubanisation of Lagos. It turns out that Yoruba were more fanatical than fulani herdsmen, who would have thought 🤔

Ok enough I'm done talking to you guys you are too many and too fanatical and too ignorant, just keep basking in your ignorance and fairytales about Lagos and Benin and Ife.

t2luv1:
Going with your logic Any Ibo man that wants to be treated as an indigent of Lagos State must have been born there. How about that?

Please jump directly to the point which you are trying to make, I can't read minds.

ogunijebu18:
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/kingdom-benin/
The first oba, or king, in Benin was Eweka. He was the son of the prince from Ife.

Provide evidence to that.

It is not possible to debate these yoruba guys, they are too fanatical and have no logic in their brains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PYb28ULHQ
It is not surprising, Yoruba are the only southerners who joined Islamic terrorist groups. These guys have the same fanatical mentality as boko haram.

The video says it all, don't waste your time debating fanatical fools. No matter how many times you prove them wrong, they will never deviate from their disproven belief.

Kingsnairaland:
can someone already put a shell in her head already.

I never understood why she has any clout. She's just one dumb German girl.

ogunijebu18:
oba of Benin has ancestry to ife.

Provide evidence or admit you are a liar

I just admire how Yoruba basically go into debates about history with zero knowledge of history, and just fanatical beliefs and zero logic.

Creeper:
At excerpt in bold - it isn’t true.

Ekiti and Ondo were NEVER part of Benin kingdom (Eko wasn’t as well). It’s just modern fake history by Benin revisionists.

Ekiti today is one of the oldest Yoruba settlements and at no point was any inch of their land part of Benin Kingdom. In Ondo, Owo defeated Benin kingdom twice and Ilaje (Mahin) killed multiple Benin kings.

If you’re Yoruba, you should endeavour to study in-depth Yoruba history and stop aiding these people in spreading their fallacies and jejune tales. Benin kingdom only gained notoriety due to its stolen art works (which they learned in Ife and Owo) hence they’re able to embellish their fake stories.

Do better.

You must have missed this:

Stoplying:
Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2


Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

I wrote this:

Stoplying:
So if I slap you and we both agree nothing happened then nothing happened?
History is not about agreeing to believe a story, it is about actual proven events.
You guys still don't understand this.

You replied this:

lawani:
A saying goes Eni je eewo tenikan o RI ko jeewo naa niyen. If you eat something forbidden or broke a taboo and nobody is a witness, then you are free. How will you as a third party that was not there be the one to force those two people to agree with your position? And how did you come about that position? Then how does it affect you?. A court would fine you if you file such a petition before it.

Thanks for confirming that the truth doesn't actually matter to you yoruba, you don't care about actual history, you prefer invented stories.