₦airaland Forum

akslink:
Many countries all around the world has laws and constitutional provisions that protect the rights of indigenous people . Some examples of such are America, Indian, Canadian Australian and china to state the few. In china for instance if you buy a car or house made in your hometown you get it for cheaper than those whom are not indigenous of the state. Those law are important to ensure that indigenous people are recognised, respected and supported in their efforts to protect preserve culture language and heritage with their ways of life.

1) Indian, Canadian, Australian and America are not countries, on the other hand, India, Canada, Australia and the USA are countries.
2) what do you mean by "indigenous" in the cases of the above countries?
3) you guys just like to quote these countries eventhough you don't know the first thing about them.

professorPABX:
You said you brought pre colonial maps. That is insanity. Only IBOs will look at maps created about a decade ago. Our forefathers that trekked from IFE to the Beach for Beach water (Obokun of Ijesha land) and Olofin the father of the Aworis are fairytale to you, then your insanity has just begun. The legislation will open your eyes.

The IDEJO chiefs are also fairytale to you, then you have just begun.

Nnamdi Ozobia, as the MD of Nigerdock knows the Oluwa of Lagos and Igboologun village about two decades ago. What has your maps got to do with indigenous people and the reality.

If Olofin is a fairytale, then the Oluwa is a fairytale. Ojora is also a fairytale, then you shall know when the legislation becomes an edict.

You talk about what your blindness and confusion got to do with the current Eleko. It has. During the late Oba Adeyinka Oyekan reign, there was nothing like this.

I show documents talking about our region hundreds of years ago written by eyewitnesses. This guy says only Igbo would look at such documents to know how the region looked like hundreds of years ago. Then he proceeds to tell his unsubstantiated fairytales which wasn't written down by any eyewitness...🤣
I really dislike fanatics like you, logic is not even an option to you. It is all about your dogma, your belief, facts just don't matter to you.

I don't have an unlimited time and talking to arrogant and disrespectful tribalists who would benefit from me giving them lectures is getting tiring. Let me help you understand reality: show me a document written by an eyewitness which mentions olofin !
History is not just a story people tell, it has to be backed by evidence.

professorPABX:
You are not different from the person babaolofin called a bastard. You said he is claiming Lagos is a Yoruba land. You can see there is no difference between you and a blind man. You said the indigenous people of Lagos are tired of the yorubas. To make your blindness coupled with insanity, you said Yoruba's are no different from other immigrants in Lagos.

It is very difficult to explain because you are already blinded. The legislation will open your eyes leaving you only to insanity.

The present Oba of Lagos created the problem because late Ooni Okunade Sijuade (late Ooni of Ife) had feud with him.

Olofin the father of the Aworis migrated from Ife to Lagos. There is an history of Lagos Island of how the chiefs invited Ado to come and organize the traditional royal system. The IDEJO chiefs remained till date.

You cannot come from IBO land to dictate how the Aworis, Ijebus and Eegun people of Lagos will administer their State. It is not possible.

Indigenous Abuja, Nassarawa, Niger & Plateau people in future will have a need for this legislation. Already, about 50% of Ilorin is gone to these traders.

Calls me all sorts of names and says I'm basically ignorant and then proceeds to talk about fairytale figures like olofin as if they ever existed. 🤣🤡😂
Whatever I claimed, I either provided evidence for it, or it is easily verifiable.
However your claim is just a fairytale about some imaginary olofin!
I brought Precolonial maps made hundreds of years before Nigeria was created ! How does that have anything to do with the current Eleko?
Keep calling me names while reasoning like a 6 year old who confuses fairytales with history.

seunny4lif:
Wait ooh
What else have Iran haven’t been sanctioned about.
It’s a big shame to Nigeria military that Iran will all the sanctions have one of the most advanced military weapons in the world yet my own country can’t even product guns that works.

Iran will get nuke weapons when Russia, feel it’s time for Iran to have it just like USSR helped India.

Iran drones are dealing massive blows to Ukraine.

Putin killed Russia drone projects when he said drones are useless in war but he immediately knew that was a bad idea when Syria war kicked off.

Russia was late in drone technology compared to the USA but they have already caught up with the USA and they were in advance in other aspects of war technology such as air defence.
Iranian drones which Russia is using were built by Russia. Iran sold the blueprints to Russia which then improved the drones and made them even better and more precise than they were before. The reason Russia loves the Iranian drones is because they are very cheap to produce, yet very efficient.

MorolayoVictor:
IT IS HIGH TIME YOU STOPPED EMBARRASSING YOURSELF

Why do you guys just keep repeating the same sentences?

sharpsecret:
lemme educate a little about Biafra...before Nigeria was employed by luggard in 1914 Biafra has existed,it is a group of people with same culture,same religion and ways of life..there was nothing like south east or south South untill the early 90's...what Ipob is fighting for is not Igbo nation,we are fighting for the old eastern region called Biafra..

How can you educate me while you know nothing ?
For your information, the eastern region was never called Biafra and it's creation as a geopolitical bloc was by the British. Also you don't seem to know the location of the eastern region on the map, let me help you: except imo state (perhaps), no part of the south-south was part of it.

Also Biafra was not a Precolonial country, it was a region of Africa and it is mostly withing what we now call Cameroon.

Look, we in the south-south do not want your Biafra, you can have it in your southeast. Our land is off limits for your Biafra and your illusions about "same religion and se culture" (you are sounding a lot like white supremacists). Your religion is Christianity and it was given to you by the British ! Do you believe your ancestors were Christians?
You ipob guys are some of the most uneducated people I've ever met. You should try educating yourself instead of gallivanting with your bigotry.

Contrary to what you think, a king is not a tribal chief !
There can be many ethnicities within a kingdom !
A village is not a kingdom !
A village chief is not a king !
A city is not a kingdom !
A Duke is not a king !
Not every noble man is a king !
There can't be more then one king in a kingdom !

Nigerians have real problems with the words "kingdom", "king", "empire" and "emperor". You guys don't understand the meaning of those words. Also you clear don't know what "history" means.

bakynes:
This guy it seems you don't understand what Kingdoms and Empire entails in the olden days. Do you know Ondo and Ekiti were also part of Benin Empire? because they pay royalties to the Oba of Benin does not make the people Edo people. In the Olden days, Germanian tribes, Saxons were under Roman Empire. Romans even gave them the name Britannia( meaning Britain) but doesn't make them Romans. Lagos was under the Benin Empire doesn't make Lagosians (Aworis and Ijebu) of then Edo people. Ekiti, Ondo and Lagos people were Yorubas then under the Benin Empire. Understand the difference.

1) Nigerian education is a real mess, it is very easy to identify a guy who was educated in Nigeria.
2) it is only in Nigeria that kingdom is seen as "tribe" or "village" or "city". To the rest of the world, a kingdom is a country. And Benin kingdom was a country, countries have cities and villages within them.
3) look, I'm getting tired of repeating myself, you guys want to be right so much that you ignore logic and just repeat your beliefs even if I've already proven your beliefs to be false.
4) you can't identify Precolonial people's as Yoruba, Yoruba only came into existence in 1808, those lands were already part of Benin in the 1400's. You can chose your identity bit you can't chose the identity of your ancestors.
5) Edo is the name of the citizens of Benin empire, that qualifies Lagosians and Ondo and Ekiti people as Edo.
6) people accepted your Yoruba tag for internal politics in Nigeria, but you can't put that tag on their ancestors.
7) so you are wrong. Lagos is not Yorubaland and Benin people of Ekiti and Ondo who accepted your yoruba tag can't put that tag on their ancestors who will forever be Edo people.

sharpsecret:
you Even the south South part of baifra

I don't know of any part of the south-south which is part of Biafra, but again this is the problem which I already noted. You guys just add people's lands to your fictional countries without consultation of the people.

T8ksy:
You are the one who vlaomed that the Aworis probably came from lagos but you don't know where exactly In lagos?

As a very educated individual, I expect you to do your own research and then tell me your findings as its obvious you have no clue about the Aworis.

You ask a question with no answer (no eyewitness record answers your question).
I provide a guess and l make it clear that I'm guessing, then you ask me to provide more precisions to my guess 😂🤡
Nigerian education is one hell of a cesspool.

sharpsecret:
you can't eat your cake and still have it...instead proposing a law that won't work in the so called one Nigeria(cos their is no legal backing to it...why not fight for oduduwa republic or support Biafra that way you guys won't need all this laws...but on a one Nigeria make nobody wine me...if you wan sell land I go buy nothing concern me

If Nigeria were to divide, Lagos would be a country of its own and one of the biggest in West Africa, and it will be multiethnic.
Also I don't believe in Biafra or oduduwa because you guys keep adding other people's lands into it without consultation of the people.

TakeNigeriaBack:
When was Edo state created? Where there people in Edo state before it was created? You're a low IQ fool, you're more than a million levels below my intellectual level.

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Edo-state is not a Precolonial entity, it was created in the 1990's. I guess you wanted to say Benin kingdom/empire, but you are just not intelligent nor educated enough to see the distinction. Benin kingdom/empire was witnessed in the 1400's by europeans.
It is good that you are following my instructions to innovate your insult game. But that shows whose boss, doesn't it? Besides you failed at being original in your new insults.

sulaak:
Nigeria was once part of British Empire, are the true Nigerian brother of the British.
Dummy use your brain

Wales and Scotland are part of the UK, does (or doesn't) that make the Welsh and the Scottish brothers?
When you reason like a 6 year old and believe you are Albert Einstein.

Some Europeans actually witnessed the creation of Abeokuta and wrote about it. But arrogant ignoramuses just don't understand this.

TakeNigeriaBack:
So, before 1830 there were no people living in Abeokuta? Again, you're very slow. And your inability to engage logically is quite astounding!

At least try and add some variety to your insults. By now everybody reading our exchange knows I'm several academic levels above you.
And look, I've just told you Abeokuta was created around 1830, your new question is bizarre.
A bunch of runaway slaves ran to the current location of Abeokuta and established a settlement there around 1830, do I need to make a drawing for you to understand?

ABEOKUTA WAS CREATED AROUND 1830 !

TakeNigeriaBack:
The borders are new but the land and the people are as old as time. Again, you keep exposing your low IQ and inability to engage in basic logic.

If you're NOT an Atlantic fish or Yoruba, you're NOT a Lagos indigene!

Abeokuta was created around 1830, so according to you, time doesn't go prior to 1830 ?

I guess you thought you were smart. But you are just an ordinary fanatic, not smart at all.

The arrogance is always what I find funny, you have a guy with almost no knowledge and poor thinking skills with the arrogance of a Nobel prize winner. Why ? These Yoruba fanatics are really a special case.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Lagos is COMPLETELY bordered by Ogun, Ondo and the Atlantic ocean. Guess which people where the first settlers in Lagos? Only Yorubas or Atlantic Fish can be Lagos indigene.

I have said it before, your IQ is too low. You're not capable of logical discourse. Rest!

So you believe that in the 1400's there was such s thing as Ogun state ?
You don't seem to understand that the demography of the past is not necessarily identical to the current demography.
This goes to show your total lack of awareness about the notion of time.
Once again, I gave you Precolonial maps showing Lagos as being part of Benin, I give them again below.
Why do you keep arguing an already proven fact ?

TakeNigeriaBack:
So, Edo crossed Ondo state then crossed Ogun state to find Lagos completed empty with no Yoruba people. This is your narrative. That's why I say you're incapable of engaging in logic discourse. Rest! STOP embarrassing yourself.

You seem to like to put words in my mouth.
Instead of claiming I'm saying something, why don't you address what I actually say ?
I have already shown you Precolonial maps and texts which show clearly that Lagos was part of Benin, but it seems you still believe it is open for debate.
By the way, the name yarr.ibz only came to being in 1808, whereas maps from the 1400's already show Lagos as being part of Benin. Therefore, Lagos being part of Benin predates the existence of Yoruba.


My claim is simple and proven: Lagos was part of Benin and it went straight from Benin to the British. There is nobody who has a better claim on Lagos then Benin.
As for your "first settler" nonsense, it is just an other Yoruba fairytale like the magical oduduwa falling from the sky with a golden parachute.

TakeNigeriaBack:
So rest. Edos are not indigenes. Case closed. Go and look for another thing to discuss.

Your lack of intellect is pushing you to see visions.
There is no way to know which group was the "first settler". You are just not smart enough to understand this.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Dude, are you saying that Edos were the first settlers in Lagos?

Where did I say that ?
Your lack of intellect is pushing you to see visions.
There is no way to know which group was the "first settler". You are just not smart enough to understand this.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Keep kwayet! or tell me while the British are not laying claim to half the world. Since their empire extended to almost half the world. Answer simple logical question or shut da fvck up!

1) your basis for Yoruba laying claim to Lagos is just unsubstantiated stories.
2) my basis for Lagos being part of Benin is actual historical documents, proofs from the Precolonial era

Our arguments do not hold the same weight. Your arguments belong to a beer parlour, mine belong to a journal of history.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Even if I take your useless map at face value, so the British should lay claim to half of the world then. Since the British Empire extended to almost half of the world.

Like I said your brain is paining you. Your logical center is dead. And you're incapable of engaging in logical discussion!

1) My claim: Lagos was part of Benin empire.
I provide proof.
2) your claim: ijebu were the first settlers.
You provide no proof
3) but somehow I'm the idiot here 🤣
4) I act on what is known, and what is known is that Lagos was part of Benin. All the rest is fantasy.

TakeNigeriaBack:
STOP typing rubbish. We know our history. Go and ask the Ijebus IF they're Yorubas before you run your useless Edo mouth.
Egbas consider themselves Yorubas. If you like call them slaves with your rotten Edo mouth, that's your business.
'Proof' that the Aworis allowed Bini to have a mere trading post is NOT evidence that Edos are Lagosians. To be a Lagos indigene you HAVE to be Yoruba. If not you're wasting your time.

I speak facts and prove them, you go against what I have proven and keep claiming unsubstantiated claims Including claims contradicting proven facts.
You are a fanatic, many yorubas are like this nowadays. It seems tinubu being elected has hurt you people's brains.
Let me just give you an other lecture: awani is not a tribe, it is one of the names of Lagos.

TakeNigeriaBack:
HOW? You crossed Ondo state then Ogun state to become indigene in Lagos?

You think this is the first time a Yoruba responds like this in this topic ? You can't even formulate your own question ? You need to go to talking points?
Dude, I gave you a Precolonial map, look at it, it shows you what Benin looked like in the precolonial era, and Lagos was part of it. Truth hurts. Deal with it.

TakeNigeriaBack:
STOP typing rubbish. We know our history.

How ? You think history is transmitted through DNA ?
You are not educated enough to even understand what the word history means.

I've got to say this: yorubas are extremely tribalistic and fanatical. Tinubu becoming president seems to have made them even worse.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Your useless 'proof' says Edo has a trading post. Ordinary trading post?

Nope, my proofs say Lagos belongs to Benin.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Your brain is REALLY paining you. The first settlers in Lagos were Ijebu (Yoruba). The second settlers were Aworis (Yoruba) and the 3rd settlers were Egbas (Yoruba).

1)Now tell me how you got to know who the "first settlers" were ? Do you have a time traveling machine?
2) the jebus didn't consider themselves as Yoruba until late in the colonial era, they saw Yoruba as inferior and didn't let Yoruba into Jebuland.
3) egbas are a bunch of runaway slaves who established Abeokuta in the 1830's
4) what we know is that Lagos was part of Benin, there is proof for that and I showed it to you.
5) your claims however are ridiculous and mostly unverifiable (the ones which can be verified are easily proven false)
6) the egbas migrated into Lagos after the British had taken Lagos away from the Oba of Benin.
7) the jebus were vassals of Benin

TakeNigeriaBack:
I am from Isale Eko. Edos are NOT my brothers. Lagos was NEVER part of any stupid edo village empire. STOP smoking colorado or your brain is paining you.

I showed you proof, yet you are still arguing to the contrary.
Did you witness your ancestors from 6 generations ago ?
How do you know they didn't migrate from Brazil ?
I even doubt that your grand parents were born in Lagos.
The problem with people like you is lack of education, you believe you know your ancestors whom you never met, you don't understand that you can't see through time. You think you know everything.

TakeNigeriaBack:
If Lagos is not Yorubaland then is it Igalaland? Ijebus are Yorubas. Egbas are Yorubas, Awori are Yorubas. So, how it Lagos not Yorubaland again? If you don't have something tangible to contribute better keep kwayet before exposing your ignorance or low iq.

Your brain is paining you.

My answer:

Stoplying:
Wrong! Yoruba are migrants to Lagos. Yoruba is not even a homogeneous group, it is made up of many ethnicities who agreed to carry the yoruba tag upon themselves. The name Yoruba actually comes from yarr.iba which is the first name under which oyo kingdom was written down.
Over the years, many groups of people including slave returnees from America took the tag upon themselves.
As I already said, the demography of Lagos has been changing drastically since the British took it over from Benin empire/kingdom. Heavy migration into Lagos took place under the British and in the colonial era, and it is still going on.
Lagos has a population of 20 million people, the actual indigenous people of Lagos are nowhere near 20 million.
What I don't understand is when some migrants (Yoruba) try to hijack Lagos and claim they are the indigenous people of Lagos ! That is a lie, they are migrants like the haussa and the Igbo and the guys from Benin Republic...

TakeNigeriaBack:
What is in Edo to protect? We're talking of Lagos. Lagos no be Edo, as you people say!

Let me guess, you are actually not even a true Lagosian.
Lagos was part of Benin empire/kingdom. The true Lagosians are brothers of the people of Edo-state.