₦airaland Forum

Easy tricks made this country shit.

Our constitution isn't even that bad. What we need is a Stalin style purge against the godfathers and self interest old cronies. Toss them in camps somewhere in the northern sahara and let them rott there.

Confiscate their stolen wealth too.

How about, can a Nigeria plz get a descent president?

[quote author=i_laugh link=topic=221766.msg3365982#msg3365982 date=1232470866]Look at Americans - even in the face of trouble and calamity, they speak hope, faith, love, oneness, harmony, they see hope always.

Look at Nigerians - in the face of "peace", they see trouble, they see calamity, they speak, failure, they loose faith, they preach hate and they never see hope.

Look at Americans - When a black man aims to become the President of America, he uses the term, we can do it, and the whole citizen supports him.

Look at Nigerians - When anything great is planned, they shout it down and say - it can never be done, meaning - "we can not do it because we are black and foolish". They see their country as a country where nothing good can come out.

In America - They sent men to the moon, noone was there before, they made it happen.

In Nigeria - Ask them to wear hemet to protect themselves from accident, they shout it down and say it is never necessary.

In America- Everyone is sane - noone drives on the wrong side of the traffic. Noone breaks traffic laws.

In Nigeria - Noone is sane - noone obeys traffic laws, everyone, including the educated, drive on the wrong side of the road.

In America - you dont have to be told to wear a seat belt, wear helmet, dont overspeed.

In Nigeria - make such laws and you are doomed, they say you are a fool.

In America- plan to spend millions on security, on a war, on building roads, everyone welcomes it.

In Nigeria - come to NairaLand, they rubbish everything planned, they say no need for roads, no need for security, it will not work.

God, why, why, why - why have you made all Nigerians fools?[/quote]We are not fools. Its our cultural regression.

We want our country to change but most of us cannot handle it.

America is NOT perfect like written in the excerpt. However America is ahead of Nigeria because Americans, and white people in general are more willing to change regressive culture (Segregation, Slavery, Bigotry, excessive family ties, etc etc). Nigerians and most Africans, and most third world folks are such because they have allowed their regressive backward traditions to taint their logic and corrode their minds.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, our culture is rotten.

We praise those who deserve none, we keep yelling in the name of a god, we expect our FG to do everything for us, our communities at the grassroots are rotten, our culture has poisoned our minds, we reject progress, we reject moving forward, we sneer at progressive ideas, we let old incompetents run our country because they are old and we somehow feel obliged to listen to them, we have been lost even before the Europeans arrived.

We don't need an Obama in Nigeria, we need a Stalin, to whip us into shape.

"To those leaders who cling to power through corruption and deceit"

98% of ALL African leadership. 100% Nigerian.

"Your people shall judge you on what you build, not what you destroy"

Does that include building a large personal bank account from public funds in a Swiss Bank?

From which region leadership is exerted should not be the primary focus. The primary focus should be the quality of leadership provided.

mikeansy:
good for both of them but certainly not in the interest of Nigeria.

2011 election will be won by the people's candidate, I hope they all join the race, Atiku, IBB, Yar'adua, Buhari.

I'd try my luck with a man who has not yet been leader (military). IBB and Buhari are proven failures.

Sky Blue:
What is the problem with african leaders and relinquishing power? The most sensible thing to do is to hand over to the vice president if he (the president) is indisposed and unable to perform his duties effectively. What is the problem here? When we die we take nothing with us, hence i don't understand what is so important about doing nothing but staying on anyway if the stress might even be affecting your health. Is he not killing himself? As long as nothing fundamental changes, it seems whatever happens we lose. Is the vice president really going to be any different in terms of performance?

In Africa, since indepence of all the nations, only 4 leaders after elections have stepped down without dispute.

jerseyguy:
Atiku Visits Obasanjo In Preparation for Yar’Adua’s “Exit”
Monday, 19 January 2009 16:34 Saharareporters, New York   

A shocking re-alignment of political forces took place today as former Vice President Atiku Abubakar visited former President Obasanjo at home in Abeokuta, Ogun State.

Atiku and Obasanjo have been archenemies ever since the former vice president opposed, and helped frustrate, Obasanjo’s bid to run for a third term in office. In reprisal, Obasanjo thwarted Atiku’s dream to run for the presidency on the ticket of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP).

A source familiar with the meeting, which took place at the former president’s hilltop mansion in Abeokuta, said it was part of a rapprochement by the two men who now want to work together to decide what happens in the event of the death or permanent incapacitation of “President” Umaru Yar’Adua. Inside sources within Abuja have revealed that Yar’Adua’s health is worsening. [size=14pt]He has lost a lot of weight and close aides told us that he finds it increasingly difficult to handle the simple tasks of his job. [/size]

Obasanjo and Atiku declined to disclose the details of their meeting to reporters, whose questions they parried. But a source familiar with the discussion told SaharaReporters that Obasanjo stated, “When things are not happening the way they should, we have to sit down as stakeholders to review the situation.”

Governor Olagunsoye Oyinlola of Osun State accompanied the former vice president to Obasanjo's residence.

Saharareporters had earlier reported that Atiku was leaning towards returning to the PDP fold.

Our source added that the Abeokuta meeting signaled the beginning of serious political re-alignments on the heels of growing rumors that Yar'adua's health crises and “acts of betrayal toward Obasanjo” had forced the former president to begin wider consultations to “right the wrongs he committed against Nigerians by imposing Yar'adua on the nation.” The source, who is close to Obasanjo, said the former president was miffed that former Governor James Ibori and his group had supplanted his camp in terms of closeness to Yar’Adua. He also said Obasanjo felt betrayed that Yar’Adua did not put his foot down to stop members of the National Assembly, especially the House of Representatives who have unearthed some of the massive acts of corruption during Obasanjo’s eight-year presidency. 

Obasanjo is scheduled to leave Nigeria tomorrow for Kenya to continue his peace mission in the Congo

Meanwhile, two Aso Rock officials independently told SaharaReporters that Yar'Adua plans to leave Nigeria on Monday for an extended medical leave that may take him to the US. Before traveling for medical treatment, Yar’Adua is billed to attend his daughter's wedding to Governor Isa Yuguda of Bauchi State on Saturday January 24 2009 in Katsina. “If the plan [for his medical trip] doesn’t happen, it may be because he is too weak,” said one source. He added that his German doctors had told Yar’Adua there was little they could do for him, but he is determined to seek additional medical help, possibly in the U.S.   

http://www.saharareporters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=556:atiku-visits-obasanjo-in-preparation-for-yaraduas-exit&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=18

Being president of a nation, especially one that is of 150 million people and has stability issues and needs alot of work is not "simple task". This is the sort of thinking that has brought Nigeria where it currently is.

The biggest problem for Nigeria is the rule of law is something that someone somewhere did. It only exists on paper and on our tongues in Nigeria. It doesn't seem to be practiced by ANYONE in power or authority.

Might as well be pissing in the wind and yelling "rule of law!!!"

This

http://www.vanguardngr.com/content/view/26619/42/

Constitution amendment unnecessary — Babangida E-mail
Written by Kunle Oyatomi, Deputy Editor & Emmanuel Aziken
Monday, 19 January 2009
Former Military President, General Ibrahim Babangida (rtd), has described the proposed amendment of the 1999 constitution as unnecessary, saying what is needed is continuous constitutional evolution.

He also argued that Nigerians were yet to put the present constitution into rigorous test in order to know its defects

However, the National Assembly Joint Committee on the Review of the Constitution (JCCR) has resolved to push through the first set of constitution amendments in the first quarter of 2010.

The committee which ended deliberations, Saturday, in a resolution at the end of its retreat in Minna, Niger State, nevertheless vowed to avoid divisive matters during the exercise.

Gen Babangida, who spoke with Vanguard in an exclusive interview at his Minna Hilltop home noted that constitution making was a continuous process that evolved over time through processes like court judgements and court pronouncements which resolved problems.

His words: “My take on this, frankly, is that an amendment to the constitution is unnecessary. You have a constitution that is less than 10 years old. One which you have not put into rigorous test by practice, to find out where things are going wrong.

“For instance, a lot of things have developed from court judgements, court pronouncements, which resolved problems. This should now form part of the constitutional document that will endure.

“Take America, for example, everyday they talk about something that has to do with abortion. So, if you are an abortionist, you will want the constitution amended, if you are pro-life, you want the constitution to guarantee your right. So, this thing continues until someday something happens and it becomes a constitutional provision,” he said.

The former Head of State, who was recently criticised for his comments on the coup in Guinea, lamented instances where election cases stay long at the tribunals, citing it as a defect of the constitution.

Constitution amendment next year —Senate

With the 2010 date given by the National Assembly Joint Committee on the Review of the Constitution (JCCR), the implication is that issues such as revenue allocation, derivation and states creation could be at abeyance.
Suggesting the focus of the Committee, the Deputy Senate President and Chairman of the JCCR Senator Ike Ekweremadu, hinted at a review of the electoral system prior to the 2011 general elections as the committee’s focus.

The deliberations ended Saturday with only Senators present as members of the House of Representatives for the second day avoided the deliberations of the Committee.

The committee in its deliberations resolved to prioritise issues for amendments only after a round of zonal hearings during which issues of interests to the citizenry would be collated. The decision, Vanguard gathered, was upon feelings of disenchantment by House members that Senators in the Committee were predetermined on certain issues.

The meeting presided by Senator Ekweremadu also resolved albeit, cautiously, to use consultants in the analysis of technical data gathered in the course of zonal hearings.

Senator Lee Maeba (PDP, Rivers Southeast) moved the motion on the zonal hearings and all committee members who spoke thereafter supported the move. A move by Senator Grace Bent (PDP, Adamawa South) to put the issue of gender equality as an immediate agenda for the Committee was set aside by most male committee members who responded to her.

Senator Ekweremadu in his comments prior to the end of the session said: “This marks the conclusion of our assignment. But there are some basic assumptions we have to look at. First of all, we have elections in 2011 and the thinking of most of us, I believe, is that Nigerians are worried about the electoral process and that means that there has become need for a reform ahead of the next elections. So that was why we were looking at probably getting through the first list of amendments by the first quarter of 2010.’’

In a vote on the issue, committee members unanimously resolved that the first quarter of 2010 be set as deadline for the articulation of the first amendment to the 1999 Constitution.

The communiqué read out by Senator Ekweremadu:

•That the review exercise of the 1999 Constitution is necessary and will be undertaken to address the yearnings of Nigerians with a view to amending some contentious provisions and introducing new ones, that will help deepen democracy in Nigeria. However, because of the sensitive nature and importance of the assignment, the Committee resolves to undertake the review on incremental basis;

•That the Committee will ensure wide-spread participation of Nigerians in the amendment and review process and that adequate publicity of the process in various Nigerian languages is carried out. Subsequently, the Committee resolves that members will visit their geo-political zones to receive memoranda and suggestions from the public;

•That the Committee will place emphasis on issues that unite the country rather than divisive matters; and

•That the Committee will conclude action on the first set of the amendment of the Constitution in the first quarter of 2010.

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What the hell does constitutional evolution mean? What is he rambling on about? This man is still alive?

I can't beleive this!

Rigged fake democracy still better than dictatorships.

If we had bit the bullet after independence and stuck with democracy, and put up with the civilian crap instead of welcoming military generals with open arms, we would be comparable at least with countries like Malaysia, Phillipines and South Korea.

Nigerians lack vision and the conviction to sacrafice in the short term for long term gain. It's changing though. I think,

God helps those with money and large armies.