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musicwriter:
Please don't get me wrong. Your christianity is a belief system based on myth not on history. That's what I said.

If religion is a way of life; why is the European Jesus your way of life, instead of the African way of life by our African ancestors? Are you a European?

it's never a myth. the existence of Yeshuah Ben Yosef about 2000yrs ago was real historically. Even the Jews acknowledge that.

Coming to my Ancestors beliefs. I confidently believe that my Ancestors worshipped the true God based on how they understand him. They called him Chukwu, Oluwa, Osanobuwa etc. They also believed that this Almighty God have several 'agents/gods' that serve him and through whom(agents) He(God) exerts His powers. What Christians called archangel Michael, is what my ancestors called Amadioha in Igbo and Sango in Yoruba.

As I said earlier in my reply to ollah, we all worship the same God but differently because of the difference in our understanding of Him. Then I concluded that logically the knowledge of God revealed by the ("claimed" begotten Son of God should be purest of them all whichever way we look at it. Thus it supercedes the knowledge revealed by ("claimed" prophets and ("claimed" oral tradition of ancestors.

7lives:
Uncle Tom like you holding briefs for Shylocks and bucket shop like IMF, go to other African countries and see the damage that IMF had done.
You better go and read very well Dangote is not a country o.

The lender made sure you don't utilize your loans well abi? Continue deceiving yourself. Don't hold your government responsible. keep looking for who to blame.

ollah2:
Why do Christians attack Allah?
Why do Christians attack Muhammed?


What did Muhammed do that the aforelisted people didn't do? Why Attack Muhammed and exonerate others?

What did Allah do that the Christian God didn't do? Why attack Allah and exonerate the Christian God ?

One thing I know for sure is that there's only one God. Different people have different understanding of who He's and so different names for Him. Muslims may call Him Allah, The Jews...Yahweh, The Igbo's...Chukwu, Yoruba's...Oluwa etc. So whoever is attacking Allah, is s/he attacking the person of Allah or just the 'name' Allah? The latter may be a troll but the former is obviously a sin for a theist.
Even though one may think that another's understanding (and consequently the beliefs) of God are faulty or incomplete, attacking the person of God is sacrilegious for a theist. For atheists I would understand.
It's the same God that our ancestors called Oluwa, Chukwu, etc that the Jews called Yahweh and the Muslims call Allah.
Jews know God from what their prophets told them about God. Muslims understand God from what their prophet Mohammed (who himself claimed to have received the knowledge from Jibriel, a supposed angel) told them about God. Christians know God from what Jesus (who himself claimed to be God's begotten Son), told them about God.
It's all different understanding of the same person. Who is right and who's wrong or rather whose understanding is the best is a question for another day.
But logically, the knowledge revealed by the Son of God himself should be the purest of them all whichever way we look at it.

studentofTruth:
Do Christians attack Allah? Never knew. Only know that some people can't imagine Mohammed as a role model.

One thing I know for sure is that there's only one God. Different people have different understanding of who He's and so different names for Him. Muslims may call Him Allah, The Jews...Yahweh, The Igbo's...Chukwu, Yoruba's...Oluwa etc. So whoever is attacking Allah, is s/he attacking the person of Allah or just the 'name' Allah? The latter may be a troll but the former is obviously a sin for a theist.
Even though one may think that another's understanding (and consequently the beliefs) of God are faulty or incomplete, attacking the person of God is sacrilegious for a theist. For atheists I would understand.

It's the same God that our ancestors called Oluwa, Chukwu, etc that the Jews called Yahweh and the Muslims call Allah.

Jews know God from what their prophets told them about God. Muslims understand God from what their prophet Mohammed (who himself claimed to have received the knowledge from Jibriel, a supposed angel) told them about God. Christians know God from what Jesus (who himself claimed to be God's begotten Son), told them about God.
It's all different understanding of the same person. Who is right and who's wrong or rather whose understanding is the best is a question for another day.
But logically, that revealed by the Son of God himself should be the purest of them all whichever way we look at it.

musicwriter:
Of course, it's only when a former believer do his research and stop believing the myth that he suddenly become a disgruntled person. Religion is not based on history, its just a "belief" no fact required.

See you later.

Really? There can't be history without religion. The history of any people, is the history of their way of life and beliefs.... religion is an inherent part of that way of life. Saying religion has no history is the height of your confusion.

sonmvayina:
Yes, I agree, but the messiah is not jesus, the messiah was coming to usher in an era of Peace and he will be a king in an earthly Kingdom.. He will have at least one son who will succeed his father and will be the Prince of Peace.. The jews don't have the idea of God mating with human as part of their belief, that is Greek /roman ideology..

Isaiah must be either a roman or Greek then. Go read your old testament man.

musicwriter:
There was no Ibraham that god spoke to!. These are myths!. Jewish scholars are now coming out to say their god is a myth.

Book:

A History of God- By Karen Armstrong.

If you read the above book, you'll learn how your old testament god evolved.

[img]http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/r/racerel/j_books/rel020_small.jpg[/img]

An opinion of a disgruntled fellow won't override over 4000 years old Torah.

fineboynl:
in what contest?/

sorry. it wasn't for you.

sonmvayina:
Quote the relevant old testament passages... Or Jewish historical records

my dear go and read the old testament well. God will open your eyes. They're so numerous that if I delve into it, I won't leave here this night.

fineboynl:
Hidden in Deuteronomy is yet another prophecy about the Messiah; it predicts the way in which the Savior would die and the length of time he would remain on the cross.
Deuteronomy 21:22–23 says that God cursed any man executed for breaking one of God’s commands. His body hanging on a pole was a public display of judgment. Jesus took on this curse for all of humanity when he died on the “cross” (1 Peter 2:24), fulfilling the prophecy in Deuteronomy 21:23. The apostle Paul reiterates this concept in Galatians 3:13.
Deuteronomy 21:23 also commanded that the offender’s body not be left on the pole overnight, and as we know from the Gospels, Jesus’ body was taken down and placed into the tomb before nightfall (see Matthew 27:57–60; Mark 15:42–46).
Taken from “ How Is Jesus’ Death Foretold in Deuteronomy 21:23? ” from the NIV Case for Christ Study Bible (used by permission).

my dear go and read old testament well. God will open your eyes.

ollah2:
Ohh I see, as usual tables are turned.

Was that not my first statement that you initially quoted?

sonmvayina:
Jesus was written into existence by Eusebius the first master Christian forger much like Harry Potter or spider man was written into existence.. All literature..
The messiah promised the jews was coming to usher in an era of Peace, the new convenant was a convenant of everlasting peace not of death for sin.. There was already a solution to the problem of sin in the old testament. ( all that was required was sincere and genuine repentance and God will remember your sins no more) no human sacrifice is required or necessary..
The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about marduk, but marduk did not die as there was no need to.
The God of the old testament is consciousness..

You didn't read old testament my dear. Every part of the old testament was pointing to the promise of Yeshua. The Jews acknowledged this as well.

ollah2:
Why do Christians attack Allah?
Why do Christians attack Muhammed?


What did Muhammed do that the aforelisted people didn't do? Why Attack Muhammed and exonerate others?

What did Allah do that the Christian God didn't do? Why attack Allah and exonerate the Christian God ?

Do Christians attack Allah? Never knew. Only know that some people can't imagine Mohammed as a role model.

ollah2:
Why don't they attack Moses?
Why don't they attack David?
Why don't they attack Abraham?
Why don't they attack Solomon?
Why don't attack the God that instructed these guys to kill and continue killing ?
Why don't they attack the God that protected Cain who killed Abel and married his sister?
Why don't attack the God that blessed Cain's son with a city despite the crimes of Cain?
Why do they seek the blessings of Abraham despite all what he did?
Why do they seek the blessings of Isaac despite being a phedophile?
Why don't they call Isaac a phedophile?
Why do they seek for his blessings instead?

What do you mean attack God? Apart from Cain, you didn't state the crimes of others.
Moreover I can't remember anywhere in Koran that Mohammed acknowledged his wrongdoings and pleaded for forgiveness as David and Solomon did. Or Do you imply that Allah asked Mohammed to live the way he did?

musicwriter:
Again, all the above saviors lived thousands of years before Jesus, they were all born by a virgin before Jesus, they all had 12 disciples before Jesus, they were all killed by enemies before Jesus, they all resurrected from the dead before Jesus, they all ascended into heaven before Jesus. Your Jesus myth is not even an original myth. Your Jesus story was copied from an earlier myth.

Who told you they didn't promise to return? When the Spanish conquistadors arrived Mexico in the 1840's, the Aztecs were waiting for the return of their risen savior Quilxecotl. The Spanish conquered the Aztecs so easily because they thought Quelxecotl has returned!!. This is how you'll be enslaved easily if any white man hang a spaceship in the sky, blow a trumpet and ask you to enter.

For further information, kindly google those names and make your own research. Jesus is satan!. There's no redemption in him. You redeem yourself by uncovering the lies told you by Europeans. You save yourself by uncovering the lies.

Your research is like very faulty. Study each of those and you will know none of them are of God of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob and of them could make the kind of claim Jesus made of Himself and none of them lived like Jesus. Each and everyone of those guys lived his selfish hedonistic life and died off. None of those guys claimed ressurection let alone Ascension. none of those guys had any pre-information about them and None claimed to come again to judge the living and the dead.
Moreover you're now shifting ground. From Jesus never existed to there's other individuals unique characters that existed.
I have added Buhari of Nigeria. ....the Nigerian messiah that's saving Nigeria from corruption. Seem you're not a patriot.

musicwriter:
Have you ever heard of the crusades?

Have you ever heard of the inquisition?

Research it and discover how Rome destroyed ancient records and imposed their view on others by force.

Still conjectures. That there was crusades never meant that Yeshua didn't exist. show your evidence. Not conjectures

ollah2:
studentoftruth, i'm still waiting for a response

which response?

musicwriter:
Again, all the above saviors lived thousands of years before Jesus, they were all born by a virgin before Jesus, they all had 12 disciples before Jesus, they were all killed by enemies before Jesus, they all resurrected from the dead before Jesus, they all ascended into heaven before Jesus. Your Jesus myth is not even an original myth. Your Jesus story was copied from an earlier myth.

Who told you they didn't promise to return? When the Spanish conquistadors arrived Mexico in the 1840's, the Aztecs were waiting for the return of their risen savior Quilxecotl. The Spanish conquered the Aztecs so easily because they thought Quelxecotl has returned!!. This is how you'll be enslaved easily if any white man hang a spaceship in the sky, blow a trumpet and ask you to enter.

For further information, kindly google those names and make your own research. Jesus is satan!. There's no redemption in him. You redeem yourself by uncovering the lies told you by Europeans. You save yourself by uncovering the lies.

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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth : 6:04pm
ollah2 :
hatred has clouded your senses.
I attack whoever doesn't his head and sells his fairytales especially those who think their faith is the one and only faith which happens mostly to be Christians. I attack Christians more because they are the ones that sells their bullshit more while condemning others. Muslims hardly/rarely attack Jesus or Christianity.
It's a norm for Christians to attack everything that has to do with Islam when a Muslim does something bad..You hardly see Muslims do the same in return, there will be threads of members of both faiths commiting a crime or something hitting the front page this week. We will see how the threads turn out to be
Nothing to attack bro. Many parts of Koran are beautiful but some can't imagine having Mohammed as a role model. His life totally contradicted most of the message in the Koran. I'm yet to understand why.
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by neonly : 6:10pm
musicwriter :
I actually used to believe this myth of yours until I opened my mind, did my research to discover Jesus is not the only savior we are waiting for. When you open your mind and you do your research, you'll discover there are actually hundreds of saviors coming. Jesus is just one of them.
The idea of a God-man savior who died and resurrected to save mankind is an ancient myth that was known all over the world before any Jesus was born. Hundreds of saviors have died, resurrected, and ascended to heaven before any Jesus. The idea of Jesus dying to save the world is simply a white supremacist view of the people (Europeans) who wrote the second part of the bible to justify that their own God-man is the best. Its all literature!.
If you really want to believe someone washed away the sins of the world, there are so many saviors who did the same thing from different parts of the world; including in Africa, thousands of years before any Jesus was born. Below is a list of saviors born by virgin, did great miracles, died and resurrected from death in different parts of the world before any Jesus Christ was born.
1 . Krishna of India.
2. Buddha of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda.
4. Osiris and Horus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
1 1 . Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine Teacher of Plato.
30. HolyOneofXaca.
31 . Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin lo of Greece.
33. IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
10 Christ like Figures Who Pre Date Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSkjqFLXxI
Again, all the above saviors lived thousands of years before Jesus, they were all born by a virgin before Jesus, they all had 12 disciples before Jesus, they were all killed by enemies before Jesus, they all resurrected from the dead before Jesus, they all ascended into heaven before Jesus. For further information, kindly google these names and make your own research. Jesus is satan!. There's no redemption in him. You redeem yourself by uncovering the lies told you by Europeans. You save yourself by uncovering the lies.
Below is an image of a Greek God who was crucified, and he died and resurrected 1500 years before Jesus was supposedly born. Again, this art was made before anybody heard of any Jesus.
The below Mexican God-man savior (Quetzalcoatl) was born by a virgin, did miracles, was crucified on a cross!. He resurrected and ascended to heaven. He did all that about 800 years before anybody heard of Jesus. The below image of Quetzalcoatl on a cross was made hundreds of years before Mary and Joseph the supposed parents of Jesus were born. Indeed, when Spanish conquistadors arrived South America, the Aztecs (native inhabitants) thought that Quetzalcoatl has returned as he promised them before his crucification.
JESUS IS LORD
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by ollah2 : 6:11pm
studentofTruth :
Nothing to attack bro. Many parts of Koran are beautiful but some can't imagine having Mohammed as a role model. His life totally contradicted most of the message in the Koran. I'm yet to understand why.
Why don't they attack Moses?
Why don't they attack David?
Why don't they attack Abraham?
Why don't they attack Solomon?
Why don't attack the God that instructed these guys to kill and continue killing ?
Why don't they attack the God that protected Cain who killed Abel and married his sister?
Why don't attack the God that blessed Cain's son with a city despite the crimes of Cain?
Why do they seek the blessings of Abraham despite all what he did?
Why do they seek the blessings of Isaac despite being a phedophile?
Why don't they call Isaac a phedophile?
Why do they seek for his blessings instead?
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by musicwriter ( m ): 6:11pm
eminex :
It's a two different thing? Did the Catholic also wrote theirs in Hebrew? It means they only referred to what Josephus wrote in English.
Do you need to be arguing other names such as Joshua, Jonathan, Jesse, Jacob, etc because of letter J?
Please provide the original manuscript of Josephus. Infact Josephus name is with the letter J since it is translated
Then another historian is Tacitus.
If you want more information on this, I explained it in the link given earlier. Or simply see the documentary posted earlier on the Peso Flavian dynasty. Therein a historian explained in details this whole Josephus connection. Josephus never said those things the way its ascribed to him today. The catholic church made modification to an original statement.
See you later.
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by Firebomber: 6:12pm
ollah2 :
hatred has clouded your senses.
I attack whoever doesn't his head and sells his fairytales especially[b] those who think their faith is the one and only faith which happens mostly to be Christians[/b]. I attack Christians more because they are the ones that sells their bullshit more while condemning others. Muslims hardly/rarely attack Jesus or Christianity .
It's a norm for Christians to attack everything that has to do with Islam when a Muslim does something bad ..You hardly see Muslims do the same in return, there will be threads of members of both faiths commiting a crime or something hitting the front page this week. We will see how the threads turn out to be
Lolz,
wow i guess Muslim dont think Islam is the one and only faith, interesting.
Lolz you mean those that never hide there identity under the disguise of atheist like you, and mind you, why dont you just check the comment of your Muslim brothers here on this tread alone so you can come back and talk that trash on the second bold.
@Bold, did you have any proof that those attacking Muslim or Islam are Christian or should i assume again that anyone that's not a Muslim is a Christian?
Lolz, all the trash you just write above keep showing your hatred for Christianity and keep uncovering your identity. lolz.
Well am still waiting for what you are doing on this tread because last i check it never said anything about if Christianity is one and only faith as you claim that it was the only thing you use to attack. Mtcheew
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by ollah2 : 6:17pm
Firebomber:
Lolz,
wow i guess Muslim dont think Islam is the one and only faith, interesting.
Lolz you mean those that never hide there identity under the disguise of atheist like you, and mind you, why dont you just check the comment of your Muslim brothers here on this tread alone so you can come back and talk that trash on the second bold.
@Bold, did you have any proof that those attacking Muslim or Islam are Christian or should i assume again that anyone that's not a Muslim is a Christian?
Lolz, all the trash you just write above keep showing your hatred for Christianity and keep uncovering your identity. lolz.
Well am still waiting for what you are doing on this tread because last i check it never said anything about if Christianity is one and only faith as you claim that it was the only thing you use to attack. Mtcheew
That's the beginning of bigotry, hate, hypocrisy etc. Thinking yours is right while others are wrong. Trashy
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Re: Why Did Jesus Really Come To The Earth? by studentofTruth : 6:18pm
musicwriter :
I actually used to believe this myth of yours until I opened my mind, did my research to discover Jesus is not the only savior we are waiting for. When you open your mind and you do your research, you'll discover there are actually hundreds of saviors coming. Jesus is just one of them.
The idea of a God-man savior who died and resurrected to save mankind is an ancient myth that was known all over the world before any Jesus was born. Hundreds of saviors have died, resurrected, and ascended to heaven before any Jesus. The idea of Jesus dying to save the world is simply a white supremacist view of the people (Europeans) who wrote the second part of the bible to justify that their own God-man is the best. Its all literature!.
If you really want to believe someone washed away the sins of the world, there are so many saviors who did the same thing from different parts of the world; including in Africa, thousands of years before any Jesus was born. Below is a list of saviors born by virgin, did great miracles, died and resurrected from death in different parts of the world before any Jesus Christ was born.
1 . Krishna of India.
2. Buddha of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda.
4. Osiris and Horus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
1 1 . Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine Teacher of Plato.
30. HolyOneofXaca.
31 . Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin lo of Greece.
33. IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
10 Christ like Figures Who Pre Date Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSkjqFLXxI
Again, all the above saviors lived thousands of years before Jesus, they were all born by a virgin before Jesus, they all had 12 disciples before Jesus, they were all killed by enemies before Jesus, they all resurrected from the dead before Jesus, they all ascended into heaven before Jesus. For further information, kindly google these names and make your own research. Jesus is satan!. There's no redemption in him. You redeem yourself by uncovering the lies told you by Europeans. You save yourself by uncovering the lies.
Below is an image of a Greek God who was crucified, and he died and resurrected 1500 years before Jesus was supposedly born. Again, this art was made before anybody heard of any Jesus.
The below Mexican God-man savior (Quetzalcoatl) was born by a virgin, did miracles, was crucified on a cross!. He resurrected and ascended to heaven. He did all that about 800 years before anybody heard of Jesus. The below image of Quetzalcoatl on a cross was made hundreds of years before Mary and Joseph the supposed parents of Jesus were born. Indeed, when Spanish conquistadors arrived South America, the Aztecs (native inhabitants) thought that Quetzalcoatl has returned as he promised them before his crucification.
Your research is like very faulty. Study each of those and you will know none of them are of God of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob and of them could make the kind of claim Jesus made of Himself and none of them lived like Jesus. Each and everyone of those guys lived his selfish hedonistic life and died off. None of those guys claimed ressurection let alone Ascension. none of those guys had any pre-information about them and None claimed to come again to judge the living and the dead.
Moreover you're now shifting ground. From Jesus never existed to there's other individuals unique characters that existed.
I have added Buhari of Nigeria. ....the Nigerian messiah that's saving Nigeria from corruption. Seem you're not a patriot.

musicwriter:
Once the catholic was done copying, editing and re-writing the ancient scriptures as it suits them, they burnt down any original documents and indeed made it a crime to read other books. So, you won't find anything original about Christianity. In fact, if you research Jesus, you'll be so disappointed that everything about him is he say, she say, they say.

However, if you're interested in the Josephus connection, see the documentary I shared earlier about the Peso Flavian dynasty. The historian dealt in details about Josephus.

conspiracy theory continues. No facts. Just conjectures. Yeshua existed. it was never a fiction nor a myth. it's a historical fact.

Open your mind and He will explain everything to you.

musicwriter:
If you want more information on this, I explained it in the link given earlier. Or simply see the documentary posted earlier on the Peso Flavian dynasty. Therein a historian explained in details this whole Josephus connection. Josephus never said those things the way its ascribed to him today. The catholic church made modification to an original statement.

See you later.

Provide Josephus original Hebrew manuscript

musicwriter:
I actually used to believe this myth of yours until I opened my mind, did my research to discover Jesus is not the only savior we are waiting for. When you open your mind and you do your research, you'll discover there are actually hundreds of saviors coming. Jesus is just one of them.

The idea of a God-man savior who died and resurrected to save mankind is an ancient myth that was known all over the world before any Jesus was born. Hundreds of saviors have died, resurrected, and ascended to heaven before any Jesus. The idea of Jesus dying to save the world is simply a white supremacist view of the people (Europeans) who wrote the second part of the bible to justify that their own God-man is the best. Its all literature!.

If you really want to believe someone washed away the sins of the world, there are so many saviors who did the same thing from different parts of the world; including in Africa, thousands of years before any Jesus was born. Below is a list of saviors born by virgin, did great miracles, died and resurrected from death in different parts of the world before any Jesus Christ was born.

1 . Krishna of India.

2. Buddha of India.

3. Salivahana of Bermuda.

4. Osiris and Horus, of Egypt.

5. Odin of the Scandinavians.

6. Crite of Chaldea.

7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.

8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.

9. Indra of Thibet.

10. Bali of Afghanistan.

1 1 . Jao of Nepaul.

12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.

13. Thammuz of Syria.

14. Atys of Phrygia.

15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.

16. Zoar of the Bonzes.

17. Adad of Assyria.

18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.

19. Alcides of Thebes.

20. Mikado of the Sintoos.

21. Beddru of Japan.

22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.

23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.

24. Cadmus of Greece.

25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.

26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.

27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.

28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.

29. Divine Teacher of Plato.

30. HolyOneofXaca.

31 . Fohi and Tien of China.

32. Adonis, son of the virgin lo of Greece.

33. IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.

34. Prometheus of Caucasus.

10 Christ like Figures Who Pre Date Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvSkjqFLXxI

Again, all the above saviors lived thousands of years before Jesus, they were all born by a virgin before Jesus, they all had 12 disciples before Jesus, they were all killed by enemies before Jesus, they all resurrected from the dead before Jesus, they all ascended into heaven before Jesus. For further information, kindly google these names and make your own research. Jesus is satan!. There's no redemption in him. You redeem yourself by uncovering the lies told you by Europeans. You save yourself by uncovering the lies.

Below is an image of a Greek God who was crucified, and he died and resurrected 1500 years before Jesus was supposedly born. Again, this art was made before anybody heard of any Jesus.
[img]https://1.bp..com/-nPgelDLDgXM/W3gZnkiW6XI/AAAAAAAABW0/LjgKZOm-LsUOgnnqPbzsQ_dDRb8ku_4QgCLcBGAs/s1600/Greek%2Bgod.jpg[/img]

The below Mexican God-man savior (Quetzalcoatl) was born by a virgin, did miracles, was crucified on a cross!. He resurrected and ascended to heaven. He did all that about 800 years before anybody heard of Jesus. The below image of Quetzalcoatl on a cross was made hundreds of years before Mary and Joseph the supposed parents of Jesus were born. Indeed, when Spanish conquistadors arrived South America, the Aztecs (native inhabitants) thought that Quetzalcoatl has returned as he promised them before his crucification.
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Your research is like very faulty. Study each of those and you will know none of them are of God of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob and of them could make the kind of claim Jesus made of Himself and none of them lived like Jesus. Each and everyone of those guys lived his selfish hedonistic life and died off. None of those guys claimed ressurection let alone Ascension. none of those guys had any pre-information about them and None claimed to come again to judge the living and the dead.

Moreover you're now shifting ground. From Jesus never existed to there's other individuals unique characters that existed.

I have added Buhari of Nigeria. ....the Nigerian messiah that's saving Nigeria from corruption. Seem you're not a patriot.

ollah2:
hatred has clouded your senses.

I attack whoever doesn't his head and sells his fairytales especially those who think their faith is the one and only faith which happens mostly to be Christians. I attack Christians more because they are the ones that sells their bullshit more while condemning others. Muslims hardly/rarely attack Jesus or Christianity.

It's a norm for Christians to attack everything that has to do with Islam when a Muslim does something bad..You hardly see Muslims do the same in return, there will be threads of members of both faiths commiting a crime or something hitting the front page this week. We will see how the threads turn out to be

Nothing to attack bro. Many parts of Koran are beautiful but some can't imagine having Mohammed as a role model. His life totally contradicted most of the message in the Koran. I'm yet to understand why.

eminex:
It's a two different thing? Did the Catholic also wrote theirs in Hebrew? It means they only referred to what Josephus wrote in English.
Do you need to be arguing other names such as Joshua, Jonathan, Jesse, Jacob, etc because of letter J?
Please provide the original manuscript of Josephus. Infact Josephus name is with the letter J since it is translated

Then another historian is Tacitus.

Don't mind that guy. He has no point

musicwriter:
But the catholic wrote JESUS according to Josephus. I didn't say so, this's the view of historians.

That's an English translation man. is it difficult to understand?

musicwriter:
That's the more reason it's a forgery. Because Josephius couldn't have written in Latin or Greek. He wrote in Hebrew and there was no "J" to pronounce Jesus.

The name Jesus came from pagan gods Hesus + Zeus, which is a Greco-Roman name. J was added over time by Europeans to amalgamate the two pagan gods. Yet, they claim Josephus wrote Jesus in his works over one thousand years before the name Jesus was invented.

Empty conjectures. I expected you to provide the Hebrew manuscript. In Hebrew Jesus is written as Yeshua. the word "Jesus" is English. Latin is "Jesu"
Hebrew is "Yeshua". Stop confusing yourself with translation man. Even the Jews know that "Yeshua Ben Yosef" lived on earth about 2000 years ago. They only refused to believe that He was the promised messainic "Yeshua Ben David" since they expected an emperor not a "nobody" but if you trace His lineage, you will know that He's the authentic "Yeshua Ben David" as promised meant to come twice...first as a "nobody" and in the 2nd coming, on His throne with his angels.


Open your mind and you will get to know Him.

Sodiquinone:
it doesn't make sense for God to send His only begotten son to die for human sins,it potrays God as a weak, powerless,heartless person,not forgetting a murder,Its a pity xtians believe this story

It makes perfect sense. God does what He wants because He can do whatever He wants.
God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.
2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.
Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.
peace

musicwriter:
Please kindly see the link I provided earlier. According to the catholic church, below is the only thing Josephus said ''Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the gentiles. He was Christ and when Pilate at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.'' .............. Flavius Josephus.

''Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others.''............ Flavius Josephus.

Historians has long showed that the above comment is a fraud. Example; there was no letter ''J'' in the Hebrew alphabet until the 18th century. How could Josephus be writing of a Jesus with letter ''J''. Answer: The above text was added in the 4th century AD by the Roman catholic church.

Josephus disproved as a forgery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzZPGBMmVc

Secondly, Josephus was a sell-out. He sided with Rome to enslave his people and in the process was used to write history to please Rome. He was such a puppet that the Peso Flavian dynasty (the ruling family in Rome in Josephus time) had him adopt as his surname ''Flavius'' which is a Greco-Roman name.

Origin of Christianity- The Flavian Dynasty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nYUJTRos5o

You quoted an English translation and you're talking of Hebrew alphabet?

secondly, your qoute never stated that Josephius original manuscript was in Hebrew. He could have written in Greek or Latin. You even said that he was so roman that he adopted a Latin name, so what made you think his original manuscript couldn't have been in Latin?

tetralogyfallot:
The entire concept is a pretty arbitrary one. Why did God have to go through the rigmarole of blood sacrifice to forgive sins?

Because that's His choice. He can do what He chooses to do.
God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.
2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.
Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.

peace

AmiableOne:
Hi!

The post doesn't say believers can't sin. That would be an erroneous position because the Bible affirms that believers can still sin.

Salvation doesn't rob us of the ability to make a decision to sin. No, what salvation does is that it gives us freedom to serve God without guilt or that inclination to sin.

Luke 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
Luke 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

The apostles also knew believers can sin, hence, John, the beloved, wrote

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So, believers are free in Christ to live a life of righteousness. The life we receive at new birth is the reason why we can live righteously on this earth.

However, believers can still sin if they choose to. The choice to do anything is forever with all humans: saved and unsaved. The emphasis here is that believers don't have the unbridled desire and tendency to sin anymore.

We have been saved from sin as it's no longer our master. It doesn't have dominion over us. It no longer controls us.

Any believer that commits a sin does so strictly because he chooses to and not because he couldn't say no. Got it now?

This is all I can reply from your detailed reply so I don't leave the context of the topic. Let me know if this is clear enough.

Blessed.

OK. Your made it clearer now. But the key point is that man now has the freedom to CHOSE to serve God fearlessly, BUT that CHOICE is not a ONE OFF event made only at the moment of saying that prayer (being born again) after which everything becomes effortlessly automatic. NO WAY.

AT EVERY POINT IN TIME, IN EVERYTHING WE DO (thoughts, words, actions and inactions), WE'RE CONTINUALLY MAKING THAT CHOICE TO SERVE GOD.
Yes we have the freedom to make the choice, we're continually making the choice in everything we do and to ALWAYS CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE, requires our Effort until it becomes a sort of conditioned reflex. Believers need to know this to avoid being surprised by their own actions.


peace.

Grace001:
Religion is a tool to control mind and to create seperation.

God's choice of the manner of the work of salvation was to teach humans (in a practical way) great lessons on how to live with Him. That is, a practical demonstration of His teachings.
the lessons are:
1.LOVE, Mt22:37, Jn15:13, etc. To live with God in heaven, one must love God more than any other thing including his own life. Man must desire God so much so that he is willing to give all he has including his earthly life if situation warrants it....ref my 19:22-24, Lk18:22-24.

2. HUMILITY. Phil.2:8, Mtt20:26, Mk 10:43 etc. He that wants to be great must be willing to serve. Without humility, man will never enter kingdom of God. Mt5:3, Lk6:20.

Jesus humbled Himself to become human, poor family, poor life, ridiculed and killed by humans in a disgraceful way on the cross to show us in a practical way what it means to love and to be humble, qualities(virtues) without which we cannot live in His Kingdom.
He chose this particular course of action for the benefit of man.

peace

@Op, Great one but it has many loopholes which has been driving many people to atheism. Saying that "prayer" and being born again DOES NOT make one INCAPABLE of sin. A born again believer still has the capability to sin and CAN sin. In fact from the moment one becomes a genuine believer, the journey begins and it's full of temptations/stumbles, falls and getting up (recommitment) & continuation of journey. To think that once you're born again you can't find yourself in sin again is absurd. it's lead many astray. Temptations will surely come; with God's grace you will overcome many, some you will fall. But you get up renew your commitment to God and continue your journey. The more you grow spiritually, the Greater is the type of Temptation for you.


JESUS WORK OF SALVATION

Jesus came to the world to OPEN THE GATE OF HEAVEN FOR MAN (TO BREAK THE BARRIER BETWEEN GOD AND MAN. Mt27:51). Without the coming of Christ, man was incapable of getting to heaven. He came to give humanity that capability to get to heaven. HE DID NOT DESTROY MAN'S CAPACITY TO DO EVIL which is inherent in man's freewill. He gave man the capacity to see God face to face in heaven but without destroying man's capacity to sin. So man must make his own effort to utilize the Grace of Christ's work. That is, man must "strive to pass through the narrow gate" Lk13:24. Man must make every effort to grab this Opportunity Christ has provided...Mt11:12. St Paul says " work out your salvation with fear and trembling" Phil 2:12.

Jesus came to break the barrier between God and man....opening the gate of heaven,. "it is finished" means the opening of the gate of heaven has been "completed". It does not mean that evil will cease to exist in the world or that man has lost his capacity to commit evil/sin even after baptism/being born again. A lot of pastors misunderstand this a lot. As long as man has freewill, he has the capacity to sin no matter his level of spirituality(growth in the lord as some will say).
Now Christ having won the Grace of heaven for man, each and every individual has to UTILIZE that Grace by his effort. Thus with every "THOUGHT", "WORD", "ACTION", and "INACTION" of man, he is either utilizing that Grace and "striving to pass through that Gate" Lk13:12, which Christ has opened OR he's rejecting that Grace and not passing through that Gate.
We exercise our freewill in all that we do every moment. That's why God having given us FREEWILL, will not save us without us.

Peace.

deomelo:
Oby came out swinging and blowing facts all over the place, but when asked to show facts to support her rant against then FG, but like many ignorant and bubble head people arguing without facts, they shift and deflect.'

The woman basically came up short, she asked the man to ask the FG for facts when in fact the Oby made the baseless claim in the first place.

If you are going to attack and make such claims, common sense dictates that you at least have your facts lined up and ready to back up your claims with facts, like showing us specifically what Nigeria borrowed including the terms, payment details and default clauses.



Obviously, the woman spewed rubbish on twitter based made up rubbish.



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My dear the guy's assertions are Financial Fallacy. I'm sure that's why Madam Oby left him alone. The figures the guy was throwing and his conclusions makes no Financial sense. If He majored in a finance related area, whoever taught him must have been ashamed of what he said there. Mrs Oby leaving him alone is what any person that understand finance would have done in that situation.