₦airaland Forum

barcanista:
A potential beautiful thread just turned tribal. Smh

There is nothing tribal in the discussion.

EUROBOMBER:
Ok, now that your party the APC have overrun the National Assembly, we expect you to move for necessary amendments to the constitution so that we can achieve Regionalism.

I am not an APC member and do not wish to be one. I am an advocate of good governance and booting out of clueless governments.

We shall mount the same pressure on them to achieve this. Change is here and change you will surely see.

Who is this naive human being?

You better wake up to the reality. You, as most yorubas, have good heart but it's obvious your foreigners have clandestine ulterior motives and which unfortunately for them, it's now obvious to us.

EUROBOMBER:
What contradiction? We supported the National conference.

We told you the National Conference is dead on arrival because you do not have a supporting amendment to constitution.

You were putting the cart before the horse and what is the outcome?

It was a waste of public funds on a national jamboree and carnival of ethnic nationalities.

EUROBOMBER:
There is nothing like ruling by proxy, a president is the president and takes the blames/credits for whatever happens in his government. Jonathan is our Ijaw brother but not Igbo.

See contradiction.

He is your brother and you could not appeal to him to achieve your so much desired restructuring for you? What a brotherhood relationship indeed.

EUROBOMBER:
You can ask Jonathan not me, he is from the Niger Delta where the bulk of the crude oil comes. Was power too sweet for him? I don't know.

You were happy to be ruling by proxy through him, you ought to have encouraged him to achieve that for you.

EUROBOMBER:
Please go ahead and do so, don't let this opportunity slip by.

It won't.

You had the opportunity under GEJ for6years, why did you not restructure the country then? Or 6years was too small to achieve that.

This is a fair soul searching write up.

It says it all

EUROBOMBER:
This thread is not about those trying to lord it over others and who truncated what, it is about our today and future. Now that the Yorubas have the center, this is the opportunity to empower the regions which is what you have always wanted.

That is our agenda and be rest assured, we shall promote it.

Any disgruntled bastard that is pained that Lagos was, is and will forever be the Land of Oduduwa, can enter into the Atlantic Ocean.

There is the lost city of Atlantis underneath to relocate to. There is also Lagos in Portugal, as an alternative.

Bunch of greedy covetous people.

SS people beware they will soon declare PH Yenegoa and Warri no man's land too. It is an inborn lousy greedy attitude in them.

Where were their forefathers when the forefathers of others were busy fighting wars, conquering land and establishing enduring empires. They were definitely busy with dancing round a pot of boiling human beings, as recorded by the British.

Some people call themselves "Lagos Igbos" on another man's soil. is that a tribe or ethnic group or a clan?

Sloan:
LMAO...under GEJ and ibo government, for 6 years you never thought of letting people exist to manage their regions and resources. It you rode roughshod over them. Now that another party and a performant group are at the helm, you want to hide? Hahaha.....losers! I hope The new APC government does restructure Nigeria anyway into regional governments.

The SW and our leaders most notably have provided the guiding light for decades only that Ibos destroyed Nigeria's regionalism that was very successful! God bless Chief Obafemi Awolowo.

Not dwelling too much on.who cancelled the regionalism for their own selfish purpose of always trying to.lord it over others, I still believe we need to restructure the country into functional units that will be sustaining the central government, a departure from the opposite of what is obtainable now.

We need devoid power at the centre and empower the regions. This presidential system is too expensive for Nigeria. What is the essence of a bicameral house? It is just too expensive.

wetin be my own?

waternogetemeny:
1)However, yorubas are now a minority tribe in a Northern Dominated party. Wat will be your faith now as the SS/SE prepare to exit from Nigeria?


2) Lagos election was never about igbos but igbos was just APC rally cry to gain votes of a bigot tribe. Can Ambode out perform Fashola? No! May Tinubu continue to enterprise and enrich himself, whilst u all(yorubas) remain his political thug. May AGBAJE type of yoruba man never cross ur path, just Tinubu Boyz. Amin!

Yes they are a minority in the party and we are Ok with it. How about that? Mind you, we are a very formidable minority and a major stead of the party. Deal with that.

It is now that you know that Lagos election was not about Ibos, after you were defeated. When you were all running your mouths last week about installing Jimi ''Okechukwu'' Agbaje, you did not realise that. When you were all telling us you are 101% of lagos population for the past 2years, you did nt realise that.


Abeg mechuonu gi biko. Go to bed jare.

IVORY2009:
lolz and dats is history for you...

smiles.

IVORY2009:
Thats true, but in the Nigeria context, its perhaps rings a bell, u know wat I mean...

it rings the bell you want to hear per time.

WisdomFlakes:
There you go again with your delusion of grandeur, trying to feel important as usual. Without igbos Lagos will continue to thrive. During the civil war there were virtually no igbos left in Lagos, skyscrapers kept going up at the CBD, the many industries on oba akran and other places kept working, FDI kept coming in, our cars never lacked spare parts, our bridges were expanding, our doctors, lawyers, accountants and other professionals kept working and thriving.

We had more than enough of everything we needed and Lagos thrived. If it happened then, you can bet you all won't be missed the next time around.

they all ran away during June 12 struggles and we never missed them.

They came back when hunger dealt with them in their pathetic region.

Then, i keep hearing the word ''Lagos Igbo'' !!! is that an ethnicity or tribe or clan

IVORY2009:
I think he is missing it up, actually the northern politicians @ that time did, people like Atiku, Adamu Shroma etc, and the rest is history, and do not forget the Boko haram group named the president elect as one of their reliable mediator, wen they were to sign a peace accord with the federal government.

they might have picked him based on his high level of unquestionable integrity. they were probably certain he will keep to his words.

Kingspin:
Yes regionalism is the best suitor it will accomodate every body But, then who will do it. Yes it require sacrifice but are some people ready to pay the prize and make Nigeria great. Only the truth shall set Nigeria free.

Wait and see.

Its a grand plan that is evolving gradually. Only the people that has foresight can see it.

1. You need to put proper legislation in place that is in tandem with amendments of constitution.

2. Do a proper people assembly confab without any restriction on what can be discussed.

These will unfold gradually. Just chill.

IGBOSON1:
^^^Noise!

What plans have your APC got in the pipeline to enthrone true fiscal federalism or regionalism?

funy you. Have you ever seen me say Up APC or Sai APC?

I surely can differentiate between good governance and visionary leadership from a clueless one.

IGBOSON1:
Of course Lagos existed before Igbos and will exist long after we're gone....i wish you guys the best! It will exist just like Lome, Cotonou, Accra, Monrovia, Freetown, etc! Get my point?......I'm saying that Lagos will become a shadow of its former self if the South South and South East leave, and if you believe otherwise then you're being daft! If you reckon just Yorubas can keep and maintain Lagos' present pull and economic status in West Africa (given how tribal, sensitive, intolerant and xenophobic some of you are), then i ask why the same magic hasn't been replicated in Ibadan?

Lagos of today has expanded in relation to the demands put on it by NIGERIA and not just the Yoruba (or not just Yoruba and your Hausa/Fulani friends), and if part of Nigeria should pull out, and the rest of West Africa realize exactly how xenophobic some of you can be, i can assure you Lagos will become little more than Ibadan; with near-empty sea ports; a int'l airport operating way below its capacity; empty high rise buildings; a derelict Marina; empty roads; you name it....it would be a shadow of its former self and you know it!

I include the South South/Ijaw/etc leaving in this scenario because (as the recent pattern of voting in the on-going elections shows) they (like Ndigbo) also have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common with you guys! If you really think they will remain with you hateful lot if Ndigbo leave then you've got another think coming! The only reason you fret about them leaving if Ndigbo leave is because you've got your beady eyes on their oyel! You feel they're not good enough to produce the President of Nigeria, yet you still want their oyel! If you say GEJ just wasn't the real mccoy then i ask why couldn't APC have asked the South South to produce a better alternative to finish their own two-terms like everyone else? The fact of the matter is you guys -for whatever reason- decided to gang-up with the Hausa/Fulani to return power back to the north (not even a northern middle-belter, but another Fulani for that matter)! This is nothing but pure deceit!

Are you saying that prior to Biafra attempting to take the war to the enemy instead of sitting like sitting ducks (an enemy you lot saw no problem in hosting in YOUR LAND.....as you're fond of calling it)....are you saying that you were neutral up to this point? Was it only at this point that Awo, OBJ and Adekunle decided to join up with the northern led gov't and military?

You say the South South (SS) wanted liberation from our 'shackles, manacles and reign of terror'? Is it the same South South you look down on and feel they're 2nd rate citizens of Nigeria and hence should not be allowed to produce the President in 2015; is it the same S/S that -despite the oyel being located on their land- don't feature in the latest Forbes list of the richest Africans.....a list dominated by and featuring solely Fulani and Yoruba to the exclusion of all other 200+ ethnicities in Nigeria (liberators my black dic'k!); is it the same SS that a Fulani led military gov't hunted down and murdered their son (Saro Wiwa) whose only offence was seeking for the fair treatment of his people (the Ogonis) and their liberation from the so-called liberators of the South South (how ironic); is it the same SS who have inter-married and lived peacefully with Igbos for centuries....until a greedy third party came into the picture in the name of 'one Nigeria' and caused disaffection between brothers for their own selfish gain?......and i could go on and on! You care to list the exact sins of Ndigbo towards the South South just so we can compare it with Nigerias' own rap-sheet!

Fair enough, we don't have a right to unilaterally declare secession from Nigeria.....accepted; that was 1967......we're now in 2015, and are going to do things a bit differently this time! The fact of the matter is you and i have no business being in the same country, and we need to address this anomaly!

1. Which ethnic group has made it a duty to keep creating unnecessary inciting, daft, stup1d and provocative statements over Lagos? Ibos. Out of all the other ethnicities and nationalities in Lagos. We have never heard the Hausas, Ibibios, Binis, Itshekiris, Kanuris, Indians, Lebanese, Americans, Japanese, Indians etc call it No Man;s land or utter provocative statements. Why is it onlty the Ibos? don't you think you guys need to check yourself. You hate verybody and even yourselves. Anambra lording it over other alaigbo states says it all.

I repeat, leave Lagos and you shall not be missed for a second, I assure you.

We have developed Lagos, we are working on Ogun presently and there is none of your state capital that can match Ibadan, without any iota of doubt. Mention the city. Do not give me the crap of brown roofs, because it is a city of the new and old parts, that has enough land to accommodate both, which you do not have luxury of.

Yoruba nation is over 50milion. We have the population to replace your departure. Apart from that, more investors all over the world will troop in.

2. We are not bothered about SS. We are not related to majority of them except Itshekiris and Edos and we do not even hang on their neck to be part of yoruba nation. If they are comfortable with you, taht is their headache and not ours. Let them come and tell us they are SS/SE and not Ibos dragging them into what is not. Geopolitically, SS and SW are 2 different entities. Period.

3. Gang up with the hausa/fulani to vote out an ijaw man. Did we not gang up with the same iaw in 20111 to elect him? did you not gang up with the same ijaw to try to retain him in 2015? You supported an alliance that favours you and we did for the one that pleases us, just like we did in 2011. No Story.

Ibos support for GEJ was not borne out of objectivity of performance but out of subjectivity of ruling by proxy. Period. No wonder, you contributed immensely to his aborted 2nd term bid.

4. APC should have asked a SS to contest? Funny you. Thi is democracy dude. Was their any SS person in APC that wanted to pick up presidential form that was denied or you expected them to just pick someone, in form of selecto-cracy or in the manner of sham PDP used for their own candidacy.

5. We have no business in being in the same geographical boundary. Our cultures and way of lives are totally different. We are not loud, lousy boastful and provocative, likewise our cousins Itshekiris and Binis. Kindly expedite your case at the UN Security Council and let them approve your pet project and move on. We wish you the very best and it wil definitely be good riddance to rubbish on our side.

Kingspin:
The states has to be independent. They have to generate their own revenue and remit some percentage at the centre accordingly. For years now all we are use to is sharing the money every mont whether u utilize the previous money or not. This oil of a thing will not help the country forever. Working for Nigeria has to go round.

You want state independence. Ok.

How many of the states will be viable? Maximum of 11 or 12 being --- Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Akwa Ibom, Abia,Ondo because of their oil derivation status and Lagos, Kano, Ogun, Oyo, Ondo because of their Internally Generated Funds.

What should happen to others?

Regionalism remains our best bet. The states within a region can harness their resources and take advantage of their comparative advantages by synergising and co-operation.

the war and pollution shall be on your land.

the attendant killings, maiming and destruction shall be on your land.

who cares mehn?

Warri people have learnt their lessons, I am sure they will never join your new madness. A trip to NE will convince you to explore other ways of airing your grievances.

NDDC, Min of Delta, Amnesty Programme and 13% Derivation -- what have you done with it? Do the calculation in the last 10years and see if the amount is commensurate with the expected development status in SS. Ask your leaders.

Congratssssssss Rochasssssssssssss

Kingspin:
Our problem has a solution. Decentralize power from the centre to the units is key to our development. True federalism.

You are being ambigous and vague?

how do you achieve decentralisation of power and true federalism?

Be more cerebral and specific.

IGBOSON1:
^^^So when exactly is the 'perfect time' to talk of Odua Republic?.....The beginning of a long journey starts with the first step you know!

Crossing the UN 'hurdle' as you say is a major task, but not an impossible one....bare that in mind! Others have done it so why can't we?

Where have i advocated for chaos and confusion? Do you equate seeking for self-determination with chaos?.....Who will start it?

First thing first.

Regionalism, which we have always been an hardened advocate of. From their to confederacy. With that, it will be easier to.approach UN.

When others are ready and tried of this quagmire, they will support our call for regionalism.

For your info, we are gradually tending towards Regionalism in sw, by ensuring synergies and cooperation among the states.

IGBOSON1:
^^^Nice one!

I find the bolded paragraph interesting......maybe you can help your brother out! Considering how tribal you guys are with Lagos (and believe me, i would totally buy into your sentiments given the right conditions) , i asked if the South East and South South/Ijaw/etc were to leave Nigeria do you reckon Lagos would still remain the 'economic hub and center of commerce and industrialization' for not just Odualand or the New Nigeria (New Nigeria being: mainly the Yoruba and your Hausa/Fulani brothers) but for the entire West Africa? Would it still have that economic gravitational pull it presently has; and what factors do you think are responsible for it having such a strong attraction in the region?

You said: Lagos is You mean kinda like London, New York or Los Angeles?

If you say you wouldn't miss Ndigbo, can you now concede that Awo, Adekunle, OBJ, et-al all made a mistake in fighting to keep Igbos in Nigeria if not fighting for an independent Odua Republic? If your argument is that Igbos dragged the South South/Rivers/Ijaw/etc into their 'failed Biafra project' and hence you guys -out of the kindness of your hearts- decided with your northern friends to free the South South et-al from their 'oppressors'......my question now is, why after 'liberating' these groups did you lot continue till the entire Igboland was brought back into your shithole of a country? Was it only after the uncivil war that you lot got an epiphany on the Igbo and 'their pesky ways'?

1. Before you came it was and after your departure, it will still be. Simple. There can be a vacuum I assure you. We careless about who is in.Lagos or not until your exposed clandestine take over mission, become obvious to.us.

I stand bold to say it will still have the same gravitational pull. It was the same gravitational pull that pulled your guys when you were not here. Sincerely, who made SE the spokes person for SS. Speak for SE only and stop lumping SE with ST dubiously.

2. There was no mistake in the war us you brought on yourself, after all path of peaceful resolution was closed. If you had not attacked Midwest and head towards SW, things woukd.have been different, I assure you. Your undoing was conquering Midwest and your compass reading SW as the way to Kaduna.

3. The SS people wanted liberation from.your shackles,manacles and reign of terror. Which the Nigerian State obliged.

4. Don't you get it, you do not have the right to.declare secession. It is a treasonable act against the state. No matter the guise. In the olden days, it is a crime that has a penalty of summary execution. If you had any grievances or secessionist agenda, there are laid down procedure by UN. Was it followed. NO. Your declaration is a crime against national and international laws. Therefore, the onus lies on the Nigerian state to reclaim every grain of.its soil, as stipulated in the Nigerian constitution and international boundary demarcations.

IGBOSON1:
^^^In the post you quoted, point out where i indicated that Igbos will 'drag non-Igbos into Biafra'! Or you just want to read your own meaning into clearly comprehensible posts just to make an argument?

You talk of 'attache by force'?...What then do you call those who are prepared to spill innocent blood to sustain a 'mere geographical expression' and keep the very people they hate as 'fellow countrymen'? Check all those that fret and lose sleep over the mere thought of the disintegration of this fake union and get back to me on your findings!

Now about you guys the Yoruba: You reckon you are not guilty of 'attache by force'? I don't hear any talk from your end of how to actualize Odua Republic! Are you scared to go it alone? Or are you waiting for others to do the groundwork first, and then you come in afterwards and take advantage of the chaos to free yourselves.....that's if you want to be free in the first place! Remember this is a golden opportunity to get rid of any 'unwanted guests in your land'!

We cannot talk of Odua Republic for now, because it is a long road to its realisation. That is the truth you guys hardly try to face.

Crossing the hurdle of UN for creation of a nation is a major task and you need to realise that.

Must everything be done through chaos and confusion?

Kingspin:
I always talk about restructuring Nigeria not CHANGE. But some people will not understand. We must do the right thing in this country.

What is the proposed restructuring you are calling for? It's ambiguous for goodness sake.

What is the right thing from your own point of view? What is right to you, might not be to others.

peckhamboi:
Stop this false information about Gankon being Igbo before they are accused of trying to take over Kaduna.

Polycarp Danladi Gankon is from Southern Kaduna.

There are lots of Christians from Kaduna

Which Iboman will dare to contest in the north? Dem never born am.

Kingspin:
Have u sincerely try to find out urself what is the real problem of the Niger Delta people? Now what do you feel or think is the problem of Nigeria? Have you been fellowing events past and present of how country who where having the same type of challenge like Nigeria overcame their own situation. Our solution is simple and difficult at the sametime but just requires sacrifice. Nigeria cannot work without the atmosphere of peace. If it regionalism, federalism, tribalism or religion etc let us practice the true one. Our problem remain disagreement in our diversity. We must collectively talk and agree the way forward. It should be a national project or vision. All part of Nigeria have to key into that vision. Nigeria shall be a great country if all side are united.

We have discussed this severally. The declaration of a nation is a strenuous and tortuous one and how many can scale the hurdle of UN, except the ones sanctioned by the world powers and that will be based on their own selfish interests. Just one world power usage of her veto power at UN can quash such move. At best, keep. postponing the realisation of such lofty dreams.

One thing is certain, we need to decentralise the power at the centre.

That brings us to a pseudo-confederacy, in foem.of regionlaism. In my own opinion, true Federalism is impracticable in Nigeria because of the small landmass of the states (especially in the south) in comparison with the whole country that practises true federalism USA, which in reality is an amalgamation of over countries, which a side of West Africa.

We have to give the confederacy in terms of regionalism a trial again. With regionalism we can harness the resources of a large area for that particular area and with a stipulated percentage being paid to.the centre as royalty or tax, for the running of the central structures. With this, all regions will be forced to.look inward and utilise both their natural resources and human capacity to develop comparative advantage over other regions. With this. regions can go.into bilateral relationship with each other and synergies for the growth of their different regions.

Each region should be responsible for regional policing, how many states and local government or counties they want to have, public utilities, taxation etc.

It has its own disadvantage of promoting tribalism, ethnicism, and secessionist agenda. All these can be mitigated through our legal system.

The central government can be in charge of the Army, Foreign Affairs and other roles that we can conceded to the centre.

With this the NEW, NC and NE can rely solidly on Agriculture and Solid minerals, SW can rely on Education, Being a financial centre for West Africa, solid minerals, cash crops, oil, medical tourism, manufacturing activities and taxation ; SE can rely on her commerce, cash crop, oil and manufacturing activities and SS of course oil and maybe tourism.

There is no perfect system, but we need to evolve a political structure that favours us promotes meritocracy , healthy competition and cooperation.

Let's discuss objectively further, devoid of derailment.