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scholes0:
Nigerian bureau of Statistics.
http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/

You guyz think that because a lot of SW cities have a kind of old or worn out look due to their ancient statutes, that automatically translate to them being poorer than you are....
Well, I've got news for you, Venice, Jerusalem and Rome also look old

Give me emphatic sources not generic ones please.

See them comparing Venice, Jerusalem and Rome to Yoruba towns. . .

scholes0:
lagos Island (The old FCT) was ruled by four white governors not Lagos state.
Some Entire SE and SS cities as we know them today such as Enugu, Port harcourt, and Umuahia owe their existence to white british administrators.
The development of Lagos since the FCT was oved to Abuja over 24 years ago has been largely state government indigenous and not FG driven.




so??
South West was once Western region, which comprised of 8 states as well.

You're not kidding me. Lagos was a protectorate of the British government. No south east state was once a protectorate of the GB. Lagos state has been the capital of Nigeria for over fifty years and they inflow of FDI into lagos cannot be matched by any other west african city. The state governments are reaping the benefits of an over pampered British and Nigerian protectorate and nothing else.

scholes0:
Will you provide us with facts or just keep shut!
Jeeeesu!! ...... These people can pull out statements from their butts like no other people I have come across!
I think it is now becoming a known fact all of Nairaland, that anything Igbos on here say should not be taken with any seriousness, because they are 90% of the time purely sentimental or just flatout inaccurate!

Okay, let us compare the King of SE states (Anambra) poverty rate to a typical south Western state.

This is straight from the bureau of Statistics.

[size=13pt]Ogun Vs Anambra[/size]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5664/23267992600_170caf2f9d_b.jpg

Okay, let us compare another SE state that Igbos love to brag about so much about; Enugu- A state that we all know is just like Rural Benue or Kogi outside of the its Capital facade.

[size=13pt]Ondo Vs Enugu[/size]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5645/22935572564_f64f9147fa_b.jpg

Why are you guyz such pathological liars?
Is it genetic or a mass psychological condition ?

Source, source, source.. . . Post your source please

arresa:
Lagos is of course important economically, but please tell us what Ogun state industrializing faster than Lagos means economically and also why multiNationals are flocking to Ogun and Oyo states instead of the North, the SS or SE.

Also tell us what folks from the SE are doing in places like Akure, Ibadan and so on. They don't know how to get to Lagos or know where Lagos is.

You are not making any sense..

Industrialization is a little measure of economic growth. Ogun state cannot and never be more economically and commercially strategic than Lagos state in the next 100 years.
Once again, investors flock to Ogun and Oyo states due to their close proximity to Lagos state and nothing else.

Are there no Yoruba folks in the south east? Tell us what are south west folks doing in enugu and onitsha?

arresa:
The answer is leadership.

1. We've had SE'ner regional premier. So tell us what the SE premier/Azikiwe did for the SE while Awolowo was building industrial estates from Ikeja industrial to Apapa industrial, Matori, Mushin, Ilupeju and Oluyole industrial.

These industrial estates are still the major industrial powerhouse in Nigeria today, they are still responsible for a major chunk of our industrial output, goods and services.

Today, Procter and Gamble, the worlds largest manufacturer of consumer products have major manufacturing plants in Nigeria. Lagos, Ogun and Oyo state.

The Lagos P&G plant is under construction in the same Ikeja industrial estate created by Awolowo many decades ago.

The Oyo state P&G plant was built Oluyole estate, the same industrial estate Awolowo built many decades ago.

Ogun state P&G plant was built and commissioned by Amosun recently.

These major plants and economic activities like countless others means taxes for the states involved, better jobs and opportunities which is again why people go to the SW for economic opportunities.


2. We've had SE'ner head of state. What did he do for SE? Nothing, in fact he terminated our regional government and sank us into the Federal mess we are in today.

3. We've had SE Vice president

SE Ministers

SE governors

SE ministers

SE senate leaders more than any other region

SE house speakers

SE Ambassadors

SE Sec to the FG

SE heads of Pam Secs

SE Agency director general

SE Managers

GEJ's admin was loaded by SE folks

SE sided with the government in power for 16 years

4. So please tell us what the SE gained from these advantages?

Obviously, SE leadership since day one lacked foresight and failed to lay the needed foundation for the future and today's leadership in SE are not any different.

Today, there's insecurity and unrest in the SE and we are yet to see the leaders from elders to traditional rulers to governors, elected officials in Abuja and socio groups intervene because of the economic negative side effects. Do you see P&G or any sane and prudent multinational investing 1 kobo in the SE?

1. The strategic importance and development of Lagos has nothing to do with the leadership of the south westerners. Before Awolowo ruled the west, Lagos has had over four white governors. Lagos is over a 100 years old and south westerners have not led lagos for more than 40 years. That investors flock to Lagos and its neighboring states today, has very little to do with the leadership or cultures the indigenous south westerners. Like I said earlier, they flock to lagos because their market availability.
2. You should not forget that the south east was once the east, which consisted of the south east and south south.
3. A south easterner head of state was a core nationalist. He was not a tribalist like the one you had. Also he gave us a university which has educated millions of Igbos and has made the Nigerian state proud.
4. Anything that occurred from 1999 till date is null and void. The dividends of democracy has not reached any tribe except the yoruba's because of Lagos and the proximity of their states to Lagos.
5. South west leadership also lacks foresight. Adedibu is a south westerner. The development of the south west has nothing to with leadership.

arresa:
Your answer is you telling us why folks in the so called places in the SW with lower economic volume are not trooping to the SE with higher economic volume.


Last time I checked, Akure is not Lagos state so please tell us what SE folks are doing in Akere and also why they didn't return to the so called SE states with higher economic volume, but instead beged Deji of Akure after their so called EZE was beaten.


Look here, there is absolutely no reason to chest beat, these are facts and realities. The poorest places in the SW are still more tolerable to SE folks than the richest places in the SE.

Why would the SW folks come to Onitsha when they have Lagos? Onitsha and other Igbo commercial areas are saturated with businesses especially SME's. And lest you forget, there are yoruba's in the east. Enugu, Onitsha et al but given that yorubas arent more adventurous than Igbos, they travel around Nigeria less.

Flyoruboy:
Teacher don't teach me nonsense jo! I just posted a quote from the former President. If anybody should know then he should. Did you miss the part of his submission where he mentioned "economic activity"? Check it again coz I highlighted it. What more do you want? You wey ask question with such boldness, what statistic did you use to measure your submission/conclusion? ? Gerrarahere mehn. Hypocrite.

This is absolutely baseless. The only reason for the south west's dominance in economic activity is Lagos. Anything else is baseless.

Flyoruboy:
Guy, didn't you get the memo? According to this Nnewi guy, Igbos have lost the plot in Commerce and Industry:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/06/rivers-state-others-have-overtaken-s-east-in-commerce-industry/

Lol. Even Una hero Jonathan himself said it that the SW controls 55% of Nigeria's economy.

Excerpts:




And he wasn't lying when you consider the indices from Manufacturers Association of Nigeria's last report as follows:
The SW virtually controls/accounts for atleast 70% of industrial activity in Nigeria.

Economic activity. Do you know what that means? Has any statistic measured the volume of economic activity in each zone?

arresa:
People migrate to the SW to make a living especially folks from SE because there's money to be made in the SE, because people in the SW have stronger disposable income and because the economic atmosphere in the the SW is vibrant and beneficial.

People don't migrate to poor places or places where they can not make money or make a living so people migrate to the SW because there's economic opportunities there. On this basis alone, you are wrong.

Do you see folks from the SW or other parts of Nigerian troooping to the SE for anything.? No. Simply because there's zero economic opportunities there and even the people in the SE can not stay in the SE because it's economically depressed and the social atmosphere is sometimes hostile against outsiders

You really don't have to get tribal or beat any chest because these are facts and obvious realities..

LOL. This is funny. Apart from Lagos, which other south Western State boast of a higher volume in economic activity than any state in the south East?

Mynd44:
And that's a pact or a show that the people prefer one candidate over another?

I guess in 2011, the SW had a pact with the SS to vote GEJ right?

Presidential elections in Nigeria are now implicit pacts between an electoral zone and a presidential candidates zone.

omolami:
It is only a fool, dunce, mumu, illiterate, omugo, were, mungu that will agree that Youruba s have a pact with Hausa

The Yoruba have an electoral pact with the hausa. Remember you gave Buhari a majority of your votes

I dey Laff o

hahn:
At least, they need to know they are being taken for a ride

65 million Nigerians are illiterate, the rest are not properly educated. Even if most Nigerians get hold of the document, they won't know what to make of it.

This man was born to twist facts and distort reality.

Goodboiyy:
Guy stop typing trash. there is no much poverty in ND compare To States like Ebonyi, Osun , Oyo, Bornu, Zaria, E.t.c and some SE , SW and Northern States.. ND re the Least Poverty region in Nigeria compare to other region .. So what's the beef ?

I was born and bred in the port harcourt town. I know the Niger Delta more than you. You're the one talking trash. I'm not beefing anyone, I'm only saying the truth.

Truckpusher:
Why shouldn't that be the case when the wealth of the Niger Delta people is being used to sustain the lazy big for nothing three that contributes absolutely nothing even with their large human resources? The leadership of this country, they've held tenaciously unto for years yet they couldn't even lift their own very population/people out of poverty.
The Niger Delta is a child of circumstances and hopefully it must change by any means necessary.

Don't place all your woes on the big three. Besides, Igbo's played no part in the underdevelopment of the Niger Delta region. Blame your leaders and your mentality.

hahn:


If most people read it, they would definitely understand why we are in this position we are in. I was thinking, people should start sharing the pdf version of the constitution to every Nigerian. People really need to know they are being taken for a ride

Nobody agreed to obey the document in the first place. Nobody agreed to a presidential system of government, nobody agreed to a bicameral legislature, nobody agreed to state police, nobody agreed to how lands are used and resources shared. We just woke up one day to find out that a military president hired political and legal mercenaries to make these laws without our consent and call it a constitution.

I believe thats an american soldier. I guess you know how much the US spends on its military?

hahn:
How many people have even read the bloody thing?

Only people in the legal profession and criminals in the house of rapes care to read it.

The Nigerian constitution is a fraud. 99 percent of Nigerians don't know about this - one of the reasons the country is so messed up.

Truckpusher:
What truth? This is the problem with you folks.
If you take your statistics on what I have just written , you'll find out that your speculative comment about the Niger Delta is what is also obtainable in other ethnic groups of this country and by the sheer number of your population your poverty rate is higher than that of all the minority ethnic groups of the Niger Delta.
Go to Aba road in Port Harcourt now , 98% of school dropouts that are hawking on the streets are of Igbo extracts and the same thing applies When it comes to the number of people with white collar jobs too and this isn't about being better off or worse off but a population induced phenomenon.

It would be insanity to make comparisons where the same thing you're comparing with do not have an equal population status.
How many Rivers people are packing their load to live in Owerri, Aba, Onitsha et al compared to the movement of your people into cities like warri, PHC ,Calabar et al?
People migrate because hardship - People do not just migrate for fun.

You're not more Niger Deltan than me. Port Harcourt is just a city in state. In many areas of most Niger Delta states there is widespread poverty when this shouldn't be the case. That is the truth.

francizy:
On point!!!

These people keep fooling themselves about corruption being fought by Buhari as if they don't know it exists even down to the common man. Even the mofos talking have engaged in one corrupt practice or another. Some of them are internet fraudstars, some steal from their employers, some of them cheat their customers, some of them are runs girls, some of them work in fed or state gov parastatals and hardly go to work but collect salaries, but here they are, screaming on here about corruption. Nothing way man no go see.

If you want to fight corruption, then you shouldn't have any business protecting corrupt officials because they are loyal to you or belong to the same party as you. You give freedom and impunity to loyalists and attack non-loyalists, then what do you expect? The loyalists will steal without regard. They will steal and not look back.

I will start taking these people serious if they start agitating for the criminals in APC apart from Saraki to be brought to book, else, all these nonsense they are doing here borders on sycophancy. You can't claim to be fighting corruption and support Sylva and Audu to be your flag bearers in Bayelsa and Kogi respectively. You can't claim to be against corruption but yet applaud the president for fielding in corrupt persons as his ministers, even though there were glaring evidences that they took part in corrupt practices.

When people keep living in denial and boldly embrace sycophancy cum hypocrisy, they will forever move backward. That is why Nigeria instead of experiencing progress, will continue to experience retrogression.

When Dasuki and co are finally found guilty, that's when I'd express my disappointment for GEJ's government. On the other hand, Buhari's government has already on the wrong foot in its fight against corruption, for shielding loyalists.

Excellent.

Take a look the thoughts of this British expatriate on corruption in Nigeria

https://www.nairaland.com/1407845/expatriates-indepth-analysis-corruption-nigeria

Truckpusher:
Any provocative statement from an IPOB apologist should not be taken seriously after all when you stroll round the streets of the major cities of Nigeria the kids that have left schools to hawk anything on the streets and on the high ways aren't Niger Deltans but the same Igbos that are better off, richer and well informed.

If you take the number of women lining up on the streets across major cities of this country to sell their body for sex, it is the same Igbos that will beat any other ethnic group with a wide margin of 8 to 2 . Another typical example is the mass exodus of these people from their own homeland to the same land where poverty and backwardness abounds yet we haven't seen our Niger Delta youths travelling to Lagos to become truckpushers the way Northerners are arriving here in their hundreds willing to do any menial job for peanuts.

They can speculate all they want but the truth is that poverty and illiteracy holds sway in all nooks and crannies of this nation with the biggest three taking the major hit, after all by sheer number of their population one do not need a soothsayer to know who's worse off and who's better off

These provocative statements you see here and there is simply a ploy to make the Niger Deltans get angry and join up in their selfish struggle that didn't even get the blessings of their own very elites.
Let them continue deluding themselves.

LMAO! Does the truth hurt?

The question is - Did he rule Nigeria well or was he one of those who destroyed the country? Useless people

QuotaSystem:
Were the cars purchased with sand? Or did you not see the Hausa kids that own them?

Regarding your request, start from the Forbes list, then continue on the list of wealthiest Nigerian military leaders and politicians.

Then when you go into industry and see the likes of Sayyu Dantata, Sani Dankabo (Kabo Air), Umar Mutallab, Umaru Dikko, Atiku Abubakar, Ishiaku Rabiu (IRS Airlines), Alhaji Maideribe, Alhaji Indimi, Aliyu Dasuki, Alhaji Tofa, T.Y Danjuma to mention a few, don't be shocked. You are severely unexposed about Nigeria and Nigerians.

No matter for how long you try to deny the facts, they are sacred. Now give me just 10 ND billionaires to match. I'm waiting.

Dude, the north does not have more billionaires than the south south/ South east. Even the south east can compete with whole north. Lets leave this argument please.

Absolutely beautiful

TonyeBarcanista:
FG can keep the minority day to themselves. All we need is true federalism. With it, all others will fall in place..

This is beyond oil.

QuotaSystem:
2 of the only 5 Nigerians in the Forbes list are northerners (Dangote, Abdulsamad).

The majority of past Nigerian leaders and public officials are northerners.

For more details on northern wealth, https://www.nairaland.com/413863/nigerias-top-50-richest-billionaires

You have believed the propaganda about the North for too long. Would you believe it if you were told the North was the hub of luxury super cars in Nigeria? Show me any region that can compare.

https://www.nairaland.com/1837344/beasts-northern-nigeria-more-pix

Our challenge has always been in the distribution of wealth due to our population and the religious fundamentalism of the masses, and not acquisition. Equitable distribution of wealth however, has eluded all of mankind generally, since the rise of capitalism.

The fact still remains that the northern elite make up the band of wealthiest Nigerians in the country and in the world, and it will remain so in the long run.

Still doesn't prove anything. Showing me images of expensive cars in Abuja without details of who owns them is nonsense. Giving me an incorrect list of rich Nigerians proves nothing either.

Give me a list of the twenty or 30 richest northerners you know.

Can you imagine how big this man's stomach is?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3158106_1b_pnga8911d2fd24814a74488e4e50551469b

It wasn't like this before became the IGP.

He'll visit the moon next
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3148873_bbd_jpeg3526ae44e50828f4bed6657cfb2124fd

QuotaSystem:
Well I feel for the northern masses who are not helping matters with their religious fanaticism. Your non-acknowledgement of severe poverty, particularly in the SS where you guys drink from the same rivers you shitt in due to lack of toilets, doesn't change the reality.

The fact still remains that the northern elite make up the band of wealthiest Nigerians in the country and in the world, and it will remain so in the long run.

I acknowledged in my first commentary that the people of the Niger Delta hosts some of the poorest people in Africa. This is because the country and their region has been severly raped by northern military men and their friends.

The fact still remains that the northern elite make up the band of wealthiest Nigerians in the country and in the world, and it will remain so in the long run.

This is a pure fallacy, there's nothing factual about your statement.