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@Toba: « #82 on: Today at 09:16:55 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 09:02:56 PM
@Toba; « #78 on: Today at 08:55:45 PM »Who is Olabowale? I know who Nopuqeater was. The ID is dead. Spam bolt, is spam bolt. I really dont give a hoot.

I dont need your help, you idolater.

olabowale used to be a nlander until jan 2010&he posts exactly like u do. Why did u call me an idolater? The bible says we should bless our enemies[/Quote]3 gods. . . . . Does that ring a bell? The same you who have been sending Thunder (Lightening) to others will bless people?




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Quote from: bashy_demy on Today at 09:10:11 PM
Who control the spam bolt? and beside is there any spam in what he has been posting? why does spam bolt not terminate Seyibrown or Almunhadis or Kola oloye' ID
How do i explain this oo? Ok simply put. The spam bolt is like a so3tware installed by seun to filter posts that looks like spam&then delete them at times&also ban the poster. The program isnt selective. Even our moderators arent immuned from it. Except seun removes it. I think mukina2 have also been affected once. No one controls it. Its automatic. I think i tried small
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Quote from: bashy_demy on Today at 09:10:11 PM
Who control the spam bolt? and beside is there any spam in what he has been posting? why does spam bolt not terminate Seyibrown or Almunhadis or Kola oloye' ID
How do i explain this oo? Ok simply put. The spam bolt is like a so3tware installed by seun to filter posts that looks like spam&then delete them at times&also ban the poster. The program isnt selective. Even our moderators arent immuned from it. Except seun removes it. I think mukina2 have also been affected once. No one controls it. Its automatic. I think i tried small[/Quote]You are like a double mint gum by your post. Its my pleasure to read your confusion.

@Toba; « #78 on: Today at 08:55:45 PM »
[Quote]When i read the first post of sweetnecta, i knew that olabowale nopuqeater re incarnated. Well, it wasnt anyone that banned u but the spam bolt did. I shall decree a release with immediate effect.[/Quote]Who is Olabowale? I know who Nopuqeater was. The ID is dead. Spam bolt, is spam bolt. I really dont give a hoot.

I dont need your help, you idolater.

@Kola Oloye; « #69 on: Today at 04:54:46 PM »
[Quote]And is it a crime to have 2 ID's?
What for?[/Quote]Yes. What for? Apply this to God Almighty.

Why 2 Gods? No reason. Since Nopuqeater is not my real name, its death is worthless to reality of who I am.
Real God does not death, just like Nairaland cant terminate the real me. A fake God will be under fake incidence. Death is nor a reality of The Real God. Only a not real God, will go through the assumed death, which must be worthless to the reality of Real God.

@Seyibrown; #71 on: Today at 05:15:27 PM »
[Quote]In light of this discussion, it is not a crime. I was merely pointing out to him that he chose to 'manifest' himself on Nairaland using 2 (and posssibly 3) identities but finds it very difficult to believe that God can manifest himself to us in 3 or more ways! Grin[/Quote]Nairaland headquarters is in Nigeria. I'm in another land. Imagine if I have 10 IDs. I will be better than the gods with 3 IDs in 1, without knowing the third ID. When I am eating my dinner, later, its only one ID of my in 10 that is eating. The reason when 1 of the died the 2 remaining didnt dies with him, yet all joined at the hips, inseparable.

Abeg, woman. Enough of the insincerity. Why would I changed from Nopuqeater when it actually fits my personality? Ask Seun and his crew why they killed it. While you are at it, thing about the weak foundation of manifestation in many places all at once. Only if it has been a reality. I will be in Lagos, Abeokuta and Ibadan, just right now all in one go, and still be in NYC. lol. And the people in Abeokuta and Lagos will be with my NYC version.

@Seyibrown: « #66 on: Today at 12:32:58 PM »
[Quote]SWEETNECTA + NOPUQEATER = NOPUQEATER!  LOL!
Hope  that explains how one can manifest himself in two! And if we add your 3rd ID, that'll should explain 3in 1 to you better!  Grin  Grin[/Quote]Check, again. How many ID am I using right now? 1 ID. Am Sweetnecta here from the book (Hallawamaktum), written about the beloved Muhammad (AS). Nopuqeater is dead. Nairaland killed it, for being too feisty. It will never resurrect. It actually died. It didnt just collapsed from big time beating it received. It didnt just fainted from tiredness or exhaustion. It didnt just go to a coma. It actually died, it is no pretension of death, etc.

I am wondering what the 3rd ID is, was, since I never even registered or used Sweetnecta, until nopuqeater was killed. In light of this Nopuqeater sudden and permanent death, how is 3 in 1 in existence? Just a joke, right, Seyibrown? Lets take for example that a person has 20 IDs, will he be considered as a 20 manifested person, bigger than Yahweh, Jesus and Ghost, all put together by himself/herself. This is reality or what you said, above is fantasy and unattainable.



[Quote]Please carry on with your responses![/Quote]I finished. There was no double manifestations. And how is triple manifestations is possible? if you know how that is possible, tell me. am sitting here before i get up go prepare for Salah. when i leave my seat , i will not be on it while am preparing for Salah. I will be doing salah things. Lol. You christians have weird outlook of things. You thing my mere ids on nairaland means that I manifested manifold. Is my real name Nopuqeater or Sweetnecta?  As a yoruba, how many names do you have? Many. Mre than 3 I will assume. When you bear Seyibrown and you hanging with your husband, in the house, are you in Piccadilly hanging out too? Rather, arent all of the other names hanging with your husband, too? The husband is a fortunate guy with so many "women" hanging out with him when Seyibrown, alone is hanging with him. Many women, one real woman (Seyibrown). One real husband.



@kola oloye (m):« #67 on: Today at 12:50:49 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: seyibrown on Today at 12:32:58 PM
SWEETNECTA + NOPUQEATER = NOPUQEATER!  LOL!
Hope  that explains how one can manifest himself in two! And if we add your 3rd ID, that'll should explain 3in 1 to you better!  Grin  Grin

Please carry on with your responses!
Thank you for the info. I suspected that but it was denied.
I laff in Saudiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii  Grin Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]If Nairaland decided to kill Nopuqeater, for their own well known reason, while i wish to continue my dialogue with Seyibrown, is it not a greater spirit that I remain myself and just change my name without changing my personality? I am an ordinary human being. Am not a prophet. I just a man, probably a leader of my family. I guess my bouncing back without a single body bruise is better than the god that remained dead, for days, and began to go about back alleys, ducking from those who wished to harm him, again.

I wrote to Seun and whoever i can complain to about the suspension of Nopuqeater. Remember that the god didnt dare show his face after the ordeal. Islam says oppression is worse than killing. And there is a hadith that says a person who confronts a tyrant about his practice of injustices if killed will enter paradise for his bravery. this is what the Another comforter taught. Jesus himself based on your Bibe did not practice it, even for himself.

@Seyibrown:« #58 on: October 23, 2010, 03:20 AM »
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Read your own post. You said from the Bible, Jesus said to Peter "Get behind me, Satan!" I didnt say it. You said it. Rather the Bible said it. Rather jesus called one of his disciples by the name of Peter "SATAN".

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A man who kills people; the mass murderers for example in their court sentences, the victims family are allowed to address them as to vent their sorrow on him. We hear many calling the Murderer "Satan". Everyone, including the Judge will say to the Murderer "You are a satan". When he is killed they will say we killed the devil. Where are you confused in any of these, since you say the devil lived inside Peter at that time? Jesus was speaking to the devil at that time too, unless Jesus was wrong. You can tell me. I will keep your secret about it on Nairaland.com.


. . . . . but it still doesn't make the murderer 'Satan'. He might have been influenced by Satan but he is not Satan. Think of the number of times 'Satan' has been executed in the US Grin yet he still manages to commit heinous crimes when he has been sentenced to life in prison by several judges Grin Grin Grin. Even in this our Nigeria 'Satan' still manages to turn up at various homes robbing citizens despite having being executed by firing squad several times Grin Grin This same 'Satan' has also managed to start kidnapping politicians for ransoms. Grin Grin. I must at this point commend 'Satan's sucess at being able to cart Millions of Naira home in 'Ghana must go' bags without being apprehended or reprimanded. Grin Grin. . . . . . C'mon . . . .[/QUote]I guess when Satan was playing with jesus, taking him on the cliff, passing a loaf of bread in from of hungry jessu, etc, Satan was not acting on anyone, say in another town? Or indeed around the world? How was Satan able to cajole jesus and managed to deal with less important people at the same time? Think about it. The joke is on you. Rather, christianity and Trinity.

@Seyibrown: « #56 on: October 23, 2010, 02:36 AM »
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He did not murder, kill, lie or 'capture women in war/raids and despoil them'; He did not marry many wives, (under-age or not), he did not have everyday sin assemblies with many wives or promote voyeurism'. He lived RIGHTEOUS! He set an example for us to follow.

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Lets talk about the bold. He was asked if he was the king of the jews, he denied it. But you say he was a king at birth. Which one is the truth, because the other one is a lie? I have asked that they show me his place of being a king, in Israel or the nation of Judea? No one yet have shown it. This is what we call lie. He prepared for war by asking for disciples to arm themselves with swords and bags. When the war was starting, because of the crowd, he lied about sword being the end of those who lived by it. Moses lived by the sword, but he didnt die by it. Jesus didnt live by it, he was pierced to death by it. Shall we continue because your argument to me is not really convincing, since Jesus was not the only man who was never married. John son of Zachariyah did not. Also Muhammad was not the only one who fought. Moses did. David did. Solomon the wise did.

Muhammad was not the onky one who married. So were Moses, David, Solomon. And if Adam was not married, you and I and the rest of humanity would never have existed. And if Abraham was not married to sarah so Jesus and his bloodine would not have existed.

Muhammad married few women, compared to Solomon. Muhammad (AS) was in the middle course, not a Bachelor like Jesus and John, but did go as far as Solomon, the reason we are called "A nation in the middle course, which must not go into extreme in either end.


Please, read the following scriptures to see what Jesus answered to the question of whether he was the King of the Jews.

John 18:33-37

33 Then Pilate entered the headquarters again, summoned Jesus, and asked him, “Are you the King of the Jews?”

34 Jesus answered, “Do you ask this on your own, or did others tell you about me?”

35 Pilate replied, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests have handed you over to me. What have you done?”

36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.”

Pilate asked him, “So you are a king?”

37Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”[/QUote]You will agree that each time they ask Jesus, if he was sure or had an asnwer, he spoke directly to the question. I wonder why he is wobbly here? maybe he did not have an answer? I suspect he was not a king, since in his 33 years on earth, they called him a king, but he never mounted a throne. If he were, where is the throne? Even in heaven, from the Bible, there is One Throne and that belongs to Yahweh. He was not a king on earth,and not in heaven, either. I remember that the satan was telling him that he was given the whole of the world. jesus response was similar as the above. He was undecided.




[Quote]What war? Who was he fighting?[/Quote]I wonder what the use of Swords and the Bags that they purchase? You need to explain why sell all your cloths to buy ammonition, if you wish to live to tell the story?




[Quote]I notice that you do not deny that some of my statements concerning Mohammed's sense of morality.[/Quote]I intentionally ignored it because you, just as the disciples with little faith, cant get it. Today in America, I do not take anything that does not belong to me. I do not have illegal sex. The sex thing is a big deal for a wildcat like me.Islam is what tamed me. And am not alone. Who do we emulate but Muhammad? You tell me.




[QUote]Please, explain this 'nation in the middle course, which must not go into extreme in either end'. Never heard of it![/QUote]Read my examples above.




[Quote]« #57 on: October 23, 2010, 03:13 AM »

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If any man followed Jesus in his sexual or marital life, such a man will be ruined. There will never be a child to carry his blood forward. Such a man will contribute to huge pool of women without husbands and some will definitely work in sex industries.

Does not having children really ruin men? And men not marrying women are responsible for them working as love-peddlers?[/QUote]You are married woman. The man and you expect Children. Whose name do they bear? WHose bloods do they carry? Arent you a happier woman when you have children? Now tell me about the children of jesus, and who carries his name by blood? Sorry he is God, he does not have to have children. No sex, because thats beneath God. However, Muhammad (AS) was a prophet like every prophet who married. I know John didnt.




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A person who kills an evil man after he has been sentenced to die by the community, can we say he is a killer? Means and actions must agree. A person who comes to my home to kill me, if I kill him shall we say I am the killer here or I simply defend myself, exactly what is expected? And am much I love women, And I know so many Nigerian women that could be game if I press the issue. But because I follow Muhammad (AS), I restrict myself. Do you think I am better than Muhammad (AS)? If I restrict myself, what do you think he did? Who do you think I copied, or fashioned my restriction after? Its Muhammad my human hero. And as to his young wife or not, every man wants a young woman, unspoiled. I dont know if you know the year of the birth of Aisha relative to when his father and his house entered Islam? Can you tell me; is it before the beginning of revelation or after it? When if it is after it; give me year and event?

Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds? Have you asked for the hand of any 6 year old in marriage yet? Will you marry your 6 year old daughter off to a 45 yr old man? Will you allow a 30 year old man to marry and have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter?[/Quote]I love women passionately. So I restrict my sexual interest to my wife. Now, tell me if a woman born in 1990 6 or 9 in 2009? talk to me about the birth of Aisha, relative to her father's accepting islam which brought the divorce of her parents because her mother refused to enter islam?




[QUote]You know the full story of Aisha and Mohammed, so please tell me. It might have been previously incorrectly narrated to me. You can correct me now with support from the Quran or hadith.[/QUote]Abu Bakr (RA) the father of Aisha (RA), was the first grown man to accept islam. He accepted it the very first year of revelation. Aisha's mother refused to enter islam with the whole family, so the parents were divorced. This left Aisha with her father. She must have been independent at that time, because she didnt need mom for any support. She was engaged to be married before the beginning of islam. But Islam started, and her father wanted to migrate to Ethiopia because the uslims were being oppressed, he wanted the family of the future husband to take their future wife from his hand.

They refused and because of his conversion, they called the who thing off. Fortunately, a man in makka said he will support and proptect Abu Bakr. Well, islam lasted 13 years in makka, before migration to madina. Now tell me how is Aisha 9 in the second year of Migration, when she was alive 15 years of Islam plus the years she was alibve before revelation? How is a woman engaged before marries a differen person much much later and you say she is 9, when she shouls be at least 17 to 21?




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Muhammad never slept with a woman that he was no legally married to. I will not sleep with a woman unless I marry her, first.

Really? He never had carnal knowledge of any of the women he captured on his raids/journeys?[/QUote]Give names and proofs. I read hadith and Quran. Muhammad (AS) said, in his family tree, from Adam to himself, there was no fornication or adultery. A man who was a virgin at 25 should not be taken as sexual deviant. How many men in their mid 20s that are virgins? If I am capable of no illegal sex, I wonder how my leader will be incapable? I do not do phone intimacy, video sex. And its common in this USA. And most of the women lobbying for it are christians. Good moral quality from daughters of God running after a slave like me, who is refusing them.




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And you need to reference Moses and other Jewish people leaders and prophets when you talk about wars and booties, etc.


I follow Christ![/Quote]And Jesus said he came to fulfill all of Moses's things. I wonder what Jesus did with the warss? Ah. he bought swords to prosecute his own, except the enemies were many and bold.

@Seyibrown: « #54 on: October 23, 2010, 01:54 AM »
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You are a yoruba woman, am going to assume. If your father's father had only one wife, your great grandfather probably had more than one, hence your grandfather had uncles and aunts. Lets just assume for the sake of this discussion that your father married more than one wife, or even your husband has more than you as wife. Are the children from your co-wife or wives, to your husband, in your mind illegitimate? No one in his right mind will say that the Arabs who are from the bloodline of Abraham through Ishmael do not have right over what belongs to Abraham, including tracing it all the way to your of Iraq. Muslims love and revere Jesus son of Mary as a prophet, Messenger of God to Children of Israel. How do you justify your blanketed statement?

I do not dispute that Ishmael was Abraham's son. I read from the Bible that Hagar was Abraham's wife's servant, not his wife.[/QUote]The Bible didnt tell the truth. Like any any others it filed to tell the true.




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Am sure that i have almost the same amount of experience as you in this matter. What the Bible said is unfulfilled on Ishmael. This we now accept. I see you transfer it to the Arabs, and jews in general. So lets deal with it; Until the idea of the creation of the state of Israel, Muslims, by extension rules spain, by extension civilized Europe. Jews benefited immensely in this almost 800 years rule. The rule ended by combination of many factors; spanish inquisition and crusade ended it for sure. Today there are many Jews living in Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, And many many Arab and by extension societies.


They exist there today. Am sure if they are truly hated because they are jews they will all be sent out in just one swoop, or worse, because of the hatred you mentioned. But this is not the case. Rather Spain in her zeal to kill Islam off Europe killed the "Killers of Jesus" too. Today's america, a place I know enough, The ADL, JPAC, etc are in operation not because the boogie man arabs are going to get the more established Jews. These organizations are around and well funded to shame the white Christians. Please stay on the topic you have some clue on. You have none in what you proposed above.

12A[b]nd he [Ishmael] will be as a wild backside among men; his hand will be against every man and every man's hand against him[/b],[/Quote]Was Ishael this person? Please bring e your evidence. Otherwise, another failure in the Bible. It is God's words, indeed.




[Quote]and he will live to the east and on the borders of all his kinsmen.

The Bible verse above was the prophecy about Ishmael and he is living up to it today.[/QUote]Is Ishael alive today? Please tell e where he lives, today, and I will show you the failure of your prophesy.




[Quote]The re-settlement of the Jews in Israel was prophesied and it came to pass. Many Bible prophecies have come to pass, many are coming to pass presently and the ones predicted for the future will happen too.

That brings me to ask, are there any prophecies in the Quran that have come to pass?[/QUote]Allah says that a time has come when people will be trooping into islam. It is happening today. Allah says Rome will defeat Parsia. It happened. Allah says Abu Lahab will die a disbeliever. Thats what happened 10 years later. Allah says Makka will be won. It happened like that. Allah says Makka is only for believers. The Saudi has her headquarters in Rihayd, so that no non muslim is invited to enter Makka. Allah says Masjid Aqsa. At that time it was ruin. Today A mosque named Aqsa is standing there. Are you satisfied? Allah says there will be people like you who envy, deride Muhammad, islam, etc. There are many of you on Nairaland. A christian friend of mine in DC was talking to me the other day he said the Muslims knocks their heads on the floor. I ignored his ignorance because in all the years I have been muslim, I have never knocked my head on the floor. Touching gently is knocking in the eye of the disbelievers. I understand that.




[QUote]« #55 on: October 23, 2010, 02:28 AM »

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what will you say that Jesus did when he shouted "My God, my God why has Thou forsaken me?" He yielded to the temptation to blame God as it is what I clearly read here, or he honored God by obeying in his shout with full strength? I hope that God will be happy about your answer and what Jesus did, which is direct show of not agreeing with God. If you say to your husband "My Husband, my husband, why has thou forsaken me?", I wonder if he will be happy and you were happy with him when you wee saying it, or will you be disappointed?

Being tempted is one thing; being sorrowful and asking for help is another![/QUote]For a God, each is a proof that he is a flat out fake.





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In all things, there are things that God restricts Himself from doing. He will not come on land to sit with us and eat our food. He will not have to die. Think about a trillion things that you will do and God will not do. Each does not fit His Majesty. The yorubas say that A king may have everything, he will not have a sewing or cloth mending needle or kit. You will never as him if he has one, even in his bedroom. God will not have a family; A son, a woman that gave Him that son. parents, Him being a baby, a partner, etc. It just not fit His Majesty.

God does have a family : We are his people, his children![/Quote]And dad in Nigeria who sired you will be proud of you rejecting him for somebody who does not share mom's bed. Your husband will be happy to know that the children you have for him now belong to an entity who did not keep you up some part of the nights. Good reasoning.




[Quote]John 1:11-12 (King James Version)
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:[/Quote]And jesus said "of my own power I can do nothing". Seyibrown, I now ask you where did he get the power to make you God's son? I say its a fake. You christians are status crazy. You remind of the man who married his daughter "illegally" to a senator. He wants elevation of his status in the community.




[Quote]God loved us so much he came to us. Those who accept his son become co-heirs with him! They are given the power to become the sons of God.[/QUote]Someday, you will wake up and see that God needs no son. Read your post. You call jesus God. At the same time you call him son of God. I guess he was the ghost that got his mama pregnant. You know what they call that: similar to the myth of the boy who killed his father so that he can marry his mother.




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Where were you?[/QUote]In heaven. A spirit, waiting for my time to be here on earth. Jesus wait was almost 2000 years less than mine. My wait is definitelyy less than that of my great, great, great garnd children, who will be here adter I have left.

@Seyibrown: « #52 on: October 23, 2010, 01:05 AM »
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The Holy Ghost did not arrive too soon. He arrived at the appointed time. He has been around since then to teach, correct, comfort and guide the children of God. Yes, I read the Bible and I understood what I read. Did you read and understand the information about the Holy Spirit? Please point me to any information you have on the pre-mature arrival of the Holy Spirit, the time he arrived, or the time he will arrive.

nopuqeater:
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Whie the bold is not part of the description of the another comforter from the lips of Jesus, the below will let you know that those who will be alive at the time of the coming of the Another Comforter which is a spirit from God, being a "Holy spirit" according to the Bible, as he will serve as mouth piece of God; people who say things about jesus would be sayin g the wrong things, hence they need correction; Jews say they killed him. Muhammad said he was not killed. Christians say he was crucified by Jews. Muhammad said he was not crucified. Both groups are wrong and Muhammad corrected them with just one single verse. The Bible says the another comforter will hear and repeat what he hears from God. He will not add a single thing of his own. Muhammad does that in the pages of the Holy Quran. He lived it as the embodiment in Sunnah and authentic ahadith. The another comforter will teach people new things that even jesus didnt teach. Muhammad did that, to include simple etiquette of yawning, etc, etc. The another comforter will glorify jesus. Muhammad did just that, putting Jesus in his proper place; a true servant of God, sent to the children of Israel. His mother a woman who was truthful and not a fornicator, adulteress. The another comforter will abide with people for ever. Muhammad abides with people even today in the same way the former comforter and those before him abide with people even today. People talk about Abraham as if he was walking out of the city of your, in Iraq just this morning. People talk about Jesus as if he was out of this world just last evening. Muslims dream about Muhammad as if he is just around the corner from them. Everyone of us is talking about him as if he was sitting in front of us.

Please read your Bible and quote all verses about THE ANOTHER COMFORTER. Then compare what I said about Muhammad above to them. Contrast it to the Holy Ghost: What did the holy ghost do to correct the people present on that day at the place of Penticost? How did he glorify Jesus to his proper place of honor? How did he teach new things Jesus didnt teach? What did he hear from God that he merely repeated? Show me, tell me. I need a book of reference. I want to see, feel, touch, read. I have many Jewish friends. They are my neighbors. At least I see a Jewish Synagogue just 5 minutes walk from me. If its in Hebrew, as you may claim, I will take it there for somebody to read it to me. All I have to do is to intrude on the people whose homes are right and left of mine. They are Jews. They will be glad to read it for me. I want real answer. Okay


John 14:16 'And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever'

John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

A Counseller will comfort (give you support,) guide, teach and correct any wrong notions you may have. As you can see from the verse I quoted, Jesus did actually refer to the Holy Spirit as the Counsellor. Mohammed is not the Comforter Jesus promised would come. Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus expressly stated who the Counsellor was - the Holy Spirit.

You say Mohammed glorifies Jesus? Why do Mohammed's followers hate Jesus then? Do you really know what it means to glorify someone? Why 'glorify' Jesus in a book and persecute others who glorify him with their lives? I don't get it!

Mohammed did not teach along the lines of what Jesus taught. Jesus practiced what he preached and I bet Mohammed did too. We know Jesus lived a godly life. He did not murder, plunder, despoil, raid or revel in sexual immorality or encourage any of these things. The comforter reminds Jesus' followers of what he taught. For example, Jesus taught in Luke 16:18 that "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery". The Holy Spirit - the comforter and cousellor- reminds us of this and explains the teaching. The person who comes and teaches that you should divorce one of your four wives before you marry another is definitely saying something entirely different from what Jesus said and he therefore can not be 'the comforter'.[?Quote]While the Bible recorded Jesus as God, we heard from the mouth of jesus that he was a servant sent. Muhammad (AS) said exactly the same thing, when people are saying jesus was God. I am even correcting you right here, right now to stop the madness of trinity. But you will not listen. I am on theside of Muhammad. You claim you are n=on the side of Jesus, but then you made him a god, when he said he was a servant? Who is wrong here, you or jesus? I already answered the rest in What the former Comforter left for another comforter to teach the believers. But of course, you are not going to tell me a thing the ghost correct you on, taught you that Jesus never taught, guided you into that jesus didnt. can you tell me a book I can read them from?





[Quote]« #53 on: October 23, 2010, 01:32 AM »

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He has only one name - Jehovah. The rest are titles. CLUE CLUE CLUE >>> ISLAM'S 99 NAMES OF ALLAH![/Quote]Is that name jesus or holy ghost? If not are those titles? clue, clue, clue>>>>Allah Al Qahar (The God Who is Irresistible).




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Not the same. When a muslim is dying he says "Laa ila ha IlAllah" Jesus could have said Yahweh at that time. But he said Eloi very similar to Allah with minor accent.

Please list 3 of the 99 names of Allah so I can use them to explain better to you.[/Quote}The Irresistible. The Everliving. The Never Dying. The Only Sustainer. The ord of the Day of Judgment. The fashioner. The Recreator. The Creator. The Only Giver. The Restrictor.




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A single verse from Jesus about him being a servant is enough to nullify a thousand about him being the God Who creates. This will be similar to you saying to everyone just one time that you are the husband of the father of your children, and every other time you say that their father is truly your husband. If people compare the two opposing statements, one will assume that in one set of the two you may be correct, but the other set you are 100% wrong. Now when they see you that you are a woman, and you yesterday or so hurry up to make food for that father of your children, we definitely know who is the husband between the two of you and where you are 100% wrong. In the case where Jesus said he is a servant sent, we have to consider if there were traces of being a servant in him. We see he acted like every other servants before him; eg. Moses. Jesus said he does not have any power of his own to do anything. If we stop here, we know Jesus was not God, but 100% grade A servant. Paul who called him God, and the other verses attributed to Jesus calling himself called will make Jesus a person suffering from double personality disorder, it comes from him (I am certain he didnt say it), and Paul a liar or at least a person willing to fantasize about weird outcomes.

You accept Jesus' word that he is a 'SERVANT' but you reject his word that he is the one 'SENT' to die on the cross for our sins. Huh Which one you dey now? You either believe his word or you don't believe at all![/Quote]He wasnt sent to die for no one. Even for himself. He was sent not. My Creator is Merciful. The One Who Forgives sins. The One Who loves to forgive sins. He is capable of handling the affaisr of man, so why kill a man who begged for help, when He can forgive without a thing challenging His decision? WHich one you day, Seyibrown.




[Quote]He was not like any before him. None of the messengers performed as many miracles as he did.[?Quote]Moses performed more miracles than him.




[Quote]None of them explained the scriptures like he did.[/QUote]Moses was the scripture as you call the Bible.




[QUote]The Holy Spirit manifested like never before in him. He was the only one who died for our sins, the other 'sent' ones did not. He rose from the dead, the others did not. He is the Messiah, the others are not![/Quote]If it makes you happy, live in your lies of the bold. A person who couldnt do anything by his own power wouldnt rise if he died, you know. When he begged (read your Bible for clarity), God will not allow them to kill him, so how could he have risen, when he didnt die, but just got "mashed up (jamaican lingo)"?




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The same holy spirit that the Christians consider to be inferior to Jesus. If jesus could teach anyone, how can holyspirit be the author and teacher? This is just your wishful thinking. And to the bold; Moses spoke to God without Jesus. Abraham did the same thing, as a result God made him a Personal Friend based on his firm and absolute belief. Jacob fought God or His Angel and won. Mary even had a person thing with God when He mounted her as she was overpowered/overshadowed and came upon her. We are now talking about the result of this single encounter. Jesus was not in any of them, unless Jesus and holy ghost did the overshadowing and coming upon Mary. Seyibrown, you are a woman. Discuss this with your husband. If you experiment on it and a baby comes out, dont blame me, blame your Bible for instigating it. But call the boy DeJesus or the girl Mary.

1 Corinthians 2: 11 'For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God'.

The spirit of God knows the things (will) of God, therefore he wrote God's message. When Jesus was on earth, he taught and explained the message. When he left earth, the Holy spirit continued the teaching and the clarification. Cool .[/Quote]This is poor thinking. If you use Corinthians to support jesus, then did the writer of Corinthians know Jesus, being his disciple? Lets leave this till sometime in the future. I though Jesus ended the issue by Gospel? Oh. he didnt. he left it to the Another Comforter. How did this comforter memorialize his teaching, his correction, his reminding? Show e a book I can read it in so that you got it in a latter generation. If I remember correctly, jesus was talking to those disciples, alone, if you wanna go there. I am already there and you cant pick and chose, but must be consistent in this matter. You can say those people received the ghost, and you are receiving it now, since Jesus didnt say it like that, it must be your own makeup.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

@Swyibrown: « #51 on: October 23, 2010, 12:28 AM »
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While man id not body and soul and spirit, but body and soul [spirit], it is almost absurd to use this as your basic argument for Trinity, a clearly 3 different entities. When man is alive, is his soul or his spirit still in the womb of the mother where he resided before birth? Or is his spirit and or his soul still with God who created them? Or his spirit and or soul still in the egg or spermatozoa in the body of mother and father respectively? Are either the spirit and or soul away from the person, if he were to be called a living man? When a man dies, his soul or his spirit leaves his body that is now lifeless. When you said Jesus died, did Yahweh and Ghost not died with son? Did they remain behind and what happened to Trinity? That concept must have vanished just as well. No? Please explain what happened to the 3 God heads at that time. I dont care about other times, but just that brief time you said Jesus was killed; Did Trinity (3 god heads remained, and each full of complete God? ETC).

I will be able to answer some of these questions when you tell me what stage you think a pregnancy should be terminated. Is your view supported by the Quran? I will come back to this paragraph[/Quote]Even though it is stated that there is a stage in the pregnancy that the soul and the record of the child is brought, there is encouragement of termination fo pregnancy. It is clear that the life of the mother is more important than the life of the unborn. If the life of the mother is in danger, common sense dictates that she should be saved over the baby, if one has to die. Further if a woman is raped, by whoever (And I ask God Who is the Only Protector, to protect everyone from this evil situation. Amin), if she does not want the baby, who should force her, under any decency or moral compass? Lets say she was ganged raped as thieves broke into her home. Shall we now force her to be a mother to a child from evil act?
I am a conservative muslim. We are supposed to be morally balanced.

@Seyibrown: « #50 on: October 22, 2010, 11:17 PM »
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The above connotes no true reality of "WORD OF GOD". Word of God should be exactly what God said. Exactly. This is not the case about the Bible since it has many different versions not only by accents whcich some will say about the Quran. But the Bible in varied generations from its beginning added and subtracted verses an even chapters and books as it sees fit. I mean the generational author, which you now call the holy spirit. Take a look at the Catholic and Protestant Bibles for example. We have to agree that the author if he is a single God, or the holy spirit of Him, must have dual personalities at work or they are different Gods or Holy spirits. This is reality.

The main message in the Bible is that of SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. I am yet to find any version that says otherwise. The message has not changed; It still remains that SALVATION IS ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

Have you found any version that says otherwise? If you haven't then the message has not changed. That the language style is varied in the different versions to bring the language up to date for the reader does not render the message void. It doesn't matter that someone decides to write a new version using just slangs tomorrow and calls it 'AJEGUNLE VERSION'. The Holy Bible - whatever the version - carries the message that JESUS IS LORD. Any Holy book that says otherwise is counterfeit![/Quote]My statement was not about the message. Please pay attention before I give you a fat F. My question was about Evidence is lacking that the Bible is word of God and nothing else. ead the bold in the first paragraph. Word of God was in Capital. Not message of the Bible.




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The friend of God you criticize. Seyi, you may as well criticize God. God will not allow His Friend to go into sin, hence Hajar was a wife, since before Abraham men have married more than 1 wife. Ishmael was a true son, since even in the Bible, they confessed that he and his baby brother buried their father. I will not accept inuendos. You even go against your Bible in this manner, since it goes against itself in reality. A naughty person is never called a child of the father without that stigma on him. A man who buried his father cant be called a naughty person. only the jews and their surrogates think that Ishmael does not have right. Yet they cant proof that Isaac and not Ishmael was the child of slaughter. Islam proofs it my yearly slaughters, and based on the truthfulness of Quran which says Maryam is the best of all women, we know if Isaac was Quran will say it, too.

There was no express commmandment not to commit adultery at the time. Ishmael was Abraham's son, but his son by his maidservant.[/Quote]Before Abraham, we had Adam. You must agree. God made Adam and Eve, mates, husband and wife. Even you mentioned in the Bible that it was filthy thing that Noah;s daughters had sex with their father, forgetting that other people entered the ship with Noah. Was Abraham a lewd man that will force an unwilling younger woman to have sex with him? Will mama sarah with all her jealousy and over possessiveness allow her husband to sleep with a younger woman? The only way this could happen is that she was his wife, conder the fact that she was a princess in Egypt. No king gives his woman to become a servant. Regardless of who that person it, because the king himself, will be in slavery since his blood is in slavery. This is pure common sense. Lets it here.




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My spirit is also my soul and he is called by my actual given names; Many yoruba names and a host Islamic names. But am the son of so and so. I need the same for the holy spirit, since you have Jesus for son, Yahweh for father. Just like Seyibrown is the wife of the dude in bed with you, Seyi the mother of the kids that used to be in her womb, Seyi the daughter of the parents from Yorubaland, I am presuming, Seyi the sister of her siblings from her parents. Give me a real name for your holy ghost.

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Soul is spirit. Just like male spermatozoa when it fertilizes the female egg, that product itself is a potential person. Spirit of a person is a potential soul. unfertilized egg and spermatozoa that does not make it as the winner are potential persons. They just dont become it because God does not wish that spirit of man as the soul will every be part of them. The name of my spirit is called by my given name. You see, I am nothing. You cant equate me with the Holy Ghost, if it exists and truly it is God. You should calibrate it as you do of the other persons of Trinity; Son has a name; Jesus. Father has a name: Yahweh. Holy Ghost has a name; [. . . . . .]?

My question 'What is the name of your Spirit?' is rhetorical. Since you have managed to give me the name of 'your spirit' you should be able to deduce the name of 'God's Spirit' employing the same method you used to reach a conclusion about what name 'your spirit' is called.[/Quote]I hope we are consistent here. In your argument, you take Trinity to be the system of God. In one of the entities in the trinity, you say he is father and his name is Jehovah, etc. You call the second son and his name is Jesus, Christ, etc. The Third you say is Holy ghost, and you refused to mention his name. You see inconsistency here? Why give me 3 names and refuse me the third? I say he does not have a name and it does not exist because he is your own creation, the reason you dont have a name for him. We know jesus to be a man; bleeding like everyone of us. Hurting in the same manner. call God your father. he will treat you like a creation, a servant, slave that He will punish for transgression. There is a place call hell. Run from it.




[Quote]Soul = Spirit Shocked Sir, In the Quran, what is the 'spiritual' punishment prescribed for Lions that eat Human beings?[/Quote]? Check your Bible. A person that will be eaten by lion will be eaten by lion if he went to serengetti and puts himself in danger. A believer who was thrown into the den of hungry lion, if Allah Will his protection, the lions will behave like house cats.




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So what did he say about the "opinions" of Paul? Seyibrown; honest discussion needs hard evidence. Not evasive and whitewash. The Aborisha of yorubaland will give you direct answer because of their conviction. Your tiptoeing is not acceptable to me.

Which 'opinions' of Paul do you not agree with that directly affect the way you live your christian life? Please list these 'opinions' so I can shed more light on them for you. The Holy Spirit provides clarity on any matter I need clarified for my christian life.[/QUote]If the Bible is 100% without any doubt the word of God, should there be opinion of anyone in there? Should it have been less that 100% from God, as we have in Quran; God alone talking?




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Give me how Ahimolowo or pick one "Oyakhilome, or woh eva", is equal to Moses? Lets leave prophet Jesus son of Mary out of this for a moment. Or you can add him to illustrate how the Obadares and gang are prophets?

L[b]iving fathers who have a relationship with their children communicate with them. Jehovah maintains his relationship with his children and continually speaks to them. He didn't write us a love letter and just abandon us. He continues to back up his words and fulfill his promises today. He uses messengers to relay some messages.[/b][/QUote]I thought that was over with jesus? Sorry Jesus didnt complete it, so he gave it to another comforter. You are now saying that even the Biblical another comforter did bad job as well? No wonder you cant show even anything the another comforter said, and a book of reference so that I can read his "correction, teaching and reminding".




[Quote]Dead fathers, on the other hand, don't communicate with their children because they are dead.[/Quote]Correct. Everliving God does not have a child. What will be the purpose? But this Everliving God communicated in written book form and whoever follow the latest will certainly by that road map reach success; paradise (InshaAllah).




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This right here, makes you better than Jesus. Jesus prayed for safety. he received no acceptance. He was killed because God rejected his plea. A proof actually against Jesus of the Bible based on his own qualification of a true prophet which is a spirit from God. I will say that since Jesus prayed and he received no answer, he was not a prophet, even, considering that Noah prayed, Moses prayed, each receiving answer and support.

Why did God reject Jesus' plea for safety?[/Quote]You should tell me. If God did reject it, it is absolute the litmus that jesus was not even a prophet. Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Inside the what he supplicated to God. God did not let him die. No damaged to his eyes, and other sensitive organs and parts, except scrapes on his skin. Jonah is less of a prophet, according to how you label jesus, a god in your eye. A bigger God rejected his prayer/supplication/request of not wishing to die. An his cry on the hanging tree is a proof that I did not make it up. he complained. Read your Bible and tell me, answer your own question, lady.





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The friend of God you criticize. Seyi, you may as well criticize God. God will not allow His Friend to go into sin, hence Hajar was a wife, since before Abraham men have married more than 1 wife. Ishmael was a true son, since even in the Bible, they confessed that he and his baby brother buried their father. I will not accept inuendos. You even go against your Bible in this manner, since it goes against itself in reality. A naughty person is never called a child of the father without that stigma on him. A man who buried his father cant be called a naughty person. only the jews and their surrogates think that Ishmael does not have right. Yet they cant proof that Isaac and not Ishmael was the child of slaughter. Islam proofs it my yearly slaughters, and based on the truthfulness of Quran which says Maryam is the best of all women, we know if Isaac was Quran will say it, too.


Could you please explain the reason why 'Maryam is the best of all women' according to the Quran? Is this same Maryam the mother of 'Jesus'?[/Quote]The bold is a proof that Muhammad was talking "revelation". Why would a man says that the mother of another man is the best of all women? A woman from a different tribe at that? Imagine that, since the jews think that the Arabs are nothing? Listen Seyibrown, there is no way I will say any woma is better than my mother, except of God commanded me to say it. Even to my wife, I tell her my mother is my first love, the greatest love of my life. And I tell my wife that her mother should be the greatest thing in her life, too.

@eyibrown: The above, I have just answered it with clarity in the "What the former comforter left for the Another Comforter" thread.

@Almuhandis: « #785 on: October 20, 2010, 08:53 AM »
[Quote] Grin oh yeah you mean wives,the ones you will have to beat if they refuse you sex.Abeg evaporate with your juju of a religion.All the concern of islam is how to opress women Huh from the bedroom to the society.Tell me how do you share inheritance when a woman is involved.
Let me remind you, that in christianity, the woman has equal share as his brothers, because Its the same God's spirit breathed in to two different containers(bodies)but the spirit,intellectual prowess is the same.[/Quote]Show me a Biblical verse about the bold. Folks this spineless wimp will not respond. He forgets that the Bible said all blames of the problems of man is on women. Aljannu. You need to stop and face reality. You wanna go to hell? Go it alone. Am waiting for the verse about the inheritance. Later, I will post verse of the Quran of never to touch your wife, since you said you understand arabic, you will have to dissect the word in Arabiya. By the way, I do not beat woman. Its uncouth.




[Quote]« #786 on: October 21, 2010, 10:37 AM »
Cool An illegitimate prophet can not introduce a illegitimate religion. an illegitimate religion can not illuminate a legitimate pathway?[/Quote]I wonder if a prophet who stated that he will return while his people are still alive, but failed to return could be called a legitimate prophet? Please factor in that all of his listeners are now dead for close to 2000 years and he never returned. Is he a legitimate prophet or a fraud?

@Dexmond: Yes. I do lick other people's fingers. My wife. We call it a sign of greater affection. An sure you have seen it in movies, on TV screens, etc. And a married person who cant lick his spouse's finger when they are eating good food, needs islamic lessons in good family unity. Its different from when you divorce you cant marry again in the bible.

If my wife's mouth water enters my mouth, I will swallow it. Your religion teaches nothing to emulate. Your religion must be very dry and boring.


My mother, when I was a child, I used to lick her finger when she fed me. I let my child, at young age do that too.

@Seyibrown: #11 on: Today at 01:38:56 AM »
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John 14:16 'And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever'[/Quote]Did the former abide with you forever? This is a window to the reality. Was Jesus the former Comforter? He is not here now. Or is he? Is he abiding with you forever? If yes, how? If no, then he is not even a prophet, because all prophets are abiding forever. Moses is. Just ask the Jews. Abraham is. Just ask any who claim to be a monotheist. Noah is. So is Adam, our father.




[Quote]John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.[/Quote]Teach you all things. What did the Ghost teach you how to ake your husband happy? What did the teach you how to be a mother and or a wife? How about your duty to your parents? How about when you wake up? or when you leave your house, or return to it? Muhammad (AS) taught me in each of these places. How to keep my family together and how to make madame happy.




[Quote]John 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.[/QUote]What can a non talking ghost say that human beings will hear? Seyibrown, you are listening to your heart; morality or Shaitan is talking. Jesus said the Another Comforter will testify about him. How and why when he simply just left the companions? Unless they are dotards, it is unnecessary that another testimony is needed, that soon. Did they forget so soon that they have to be corrected in les than 3 months?




[Quote]A Counseller will comfort (give you support,) guide, teach and correct any wrong notions you may have. As you can see from the verse I quoted, Jesus did actually refer to the Holy Spirit as the Counsellor. Mohammed is not the Comforter Jesus promised would come. Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus expressly stated who the Counsellor was - the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]Dont be too hasty. look at the bold. It says; guide (you guide those who are lost. not those who are on the right path, already), teach (you teach the ignorants, not the Ph. D. holders), correct (you correct those who are wrong, not those who are right). Were the followers of jesus already fell into the lost and they needed to be guided back, fell into ignorance that they need teaching all over, fell into wrong ideas that they must be correct, each all within a matter of less than 2 months, after Jesus left?

If this is the case jesus must have been a terrible teacher, who shepherd a bunch of misfits with nothing in their head and zero faith in their hearts. They say you deserve a leader you get and the followers who you lead. After all of these, tell me, what did the Ghost (spirit) correct the disciples you said received him (not you unless you were at the so called penticost), on, taught you about, guided you from and then to? I want to see the textbook where you get your references of what the Holy spirit taught and how it guides. I need a name and just saying he talks to your heart is not in the description of what jesus said about the Spirit that will come from God to guide and abide for ever. Quran and Hadith and Sunnah guide, teach, correct and hence Muhammad (AS) abides forever.




[Quote]You say Mohammed glorifies Jesus? Why do Mohammed's followers hate Jesus then?[/QUote]Teh jesus sent by God is revered by every muslim. Not your idol that you attached jesus name to. prophet jesus son of Mary (AS), will never say to a person "worship me along with God".




[Quote]Do you really know what it means to glorify someone? Why 'glorify' Jesus in a book and persecute others who glorify him with their lives? I don't get it![/Quote]You dont glorify Jesus, Seyibrown. You glorify satan who has excited you to create from the name of jesus, an idol that you worship. jesus said he is a servant/slave. You said he is God. You see nothing wrong, here? I see plenty. This is worse that somebody calling you a single lady when you obviously a married woman.




[Quote]Mohammed did not teach along the lines of what Jesus taught.[/Quote]Remember we are talking about the one to correct, guide and teach accurately to all things.



[Quote]Jesus practiced what he preached and I bet Mohammed did too.[/QUote]Who is the Another comforter to teach, to guide and to correct? Obviously, not jesus, because he was the former comforter talking about the another comforter to come in the future. We will then have to assume that if this another comforter is to do all of these qualitative descriptions as Jesus outlined it, then he and jesus havce to be on the same path, except that he will be more comprehensive than jesus because his is all about all. Then those that he will be teaching, correcting and guiding must be wrong or ignorant and naive in each of these.




[Quote]We know Jesus lived a godly life. He did not murder, plunder, despoil, raid or revel in sexual immorality or encourage any of these things.[/Quote]You are almost completely naive in your speech. Lets observe why would a professor correct students who had just received a lecture on a particular matter from an earlier professor, except the students are already in error, after the lecture? Give me any reason that a student making 100% and above will need any correction? Moses who spoke to God, face to face murdered, plundered, despoiled, raided, and Solomon the wise reveled in sexual orgies of 1000 women. And by the way, I am married. And before my married I abstained from sex outside marriage. Why? For a Nigerian man who can talk up a storm? Islam held me back from such a lewd act. Go to the romance section and read how christian men are sharing "girls" they call them. You people are 100% unadulterated hypocrites.




[Quote]The comforter reminds Jesus' followers of what he taught.[/QUote]What did he teach that his disciples forgot so quickly that they have to be reminded by a spirit, who no one can hear exactly what he is saying to everyone at the same time? One single thing will make me say you won this argument. One lousy thing that the ghost told everyone "look you are wrong here, this is the correct thing, as jesus told you"? Tell me what the Ghost said about how long to nurse your new born, exactly what jesus said and the disciple forgot, and the ghost had to remind them, all over again? They passed it on to you. Didnt they? Where can I read it?




[Quote]For example, Jesus taught in Luke 16:18 that "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery,[/Quote]If both of you are unhappy in the marriage, is it by force that you stay with each other? This is evil, just like those muslims who force themselves on an unwilling spouse. Your Christian religion is not progressive at all. Imagine if a newly wed cant stand each orther? The man beating the woman and wants to kill her. Almost each time. is it proper that she stays in such a marriage? What about a man who cant keep his pants zipped up? A person that could easily bring deadly disease into the relationship? should she stay in such a relationship? You live in England, Seyibrown. To have this type of belief is regressive for a woman. marriage is a contract, and sometimes it is unworkable. It has not mutual benefit to force it, so dissolve it. Thats reality.




[Quote]and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery".[/QUote]A woman is 25. She is divorced. So this is death to her marital live? The man is 27, he is divorced. The same fate for both in Christianity. The religion of progress. Its more like regressive. And whats shameful in all of these is that you are a married woman. What happened those women who are in your age bracket, divorced and willing to give it a try, again? Now the best that can happen is that they become somebody's girlfriend. Since they cant marry. Thats a sick notion by a sick religion.




[Quote]The Holy Spirit - the comforter and cousellor- reminds us of this and explains the teaching.[/QUote]Seyibrown, you must be thinking am a little boy that will not read what you are writing. If jesus said it and was not forgotten, how were the discipes reminded, since they never forgot in the first place? What you are reminded of, corrected in and taught to all things, are the things jesus never spoke about or the people forgot or they began to say the wrong thing. 40 days was just too soon for a correction, a ne teacher a new guidian.




[Quote]The person who comes and teaches that you should divorce one of your four wives before you marry another is definitely saying something entirely different from what Jesus said and he therefore can not be 'the comforter'.[/Quote]If jesus said what you said he said, the correction is absolutely in order, because that is a sure recipe for plenty prostitution and childless and marriageless group of people still in the productive state of their lives, who are single because of previous marriages. This argument of yours dies of its own lack luster merit. If this is a forgiving religion, it lacks mercy in every aspect of it.

@Yommyuk: « #31 on: October 22, 2010, 03:51 AM »
[Quote]When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15).[/Quote]And here, today, conveniently, suddenly Jesus is not God. he only heard from God. I understand. Tempted he did by Shaitan. Not once. At least 4 times. And even one of his followers, he called Satan. The follower's name was Peter, as I recalled. The same jesus who was hiding from man because they were after his life. Thats boldness.



[Quote]When Muhammad heard from God (supposedly through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)[/Quote]Lets just agree that he was uncertain. Whats wrong with that? Then his Lord assured him. The same way jesus was assured he will not be killed by man when he begged God for mercy. The same Jibril supported him. Where jesus was supposed to be brave, according to human expectation, the bible recorded him to be so afraid, begging and finally when you said he went like a lamb, we noticed that he cried out to indicate that he was unwilling, blaming God with his "Why had thou forsaken me". If this is strength and boldness, the son of Abraham must be head and shoulder better.



[Quote]When Jesus recieve instruction it was from God the Father (John 5:19) while Muhammad was allegedly from an angel(Gabriel)[/Quote]Same Jibril who strengthened Jesus. Who is the wife of God that gave him as son? Please answer directly without dancing hey mambo, mambo italiano, cococo, coco mazzarrella.



[Quote]Jesus never killed anyone while Muhammed killed many[/Quote]Abraham killed in war and in his return Melchezdeket prayed for him. Moses killed and yet he saw God, face to face, according to what you wrote before. David killed Goliath. Each of these people killed enemies of God. So Muhammad followed the tradition of the righteous. Now, jesus asked for his associates to purchase swords, with the sale of their possessions. I guess a person who wants to fight and end it all will buy the latest ammo of his time even leaving him with all he had on his back. With the bags and swords, only if Jesus had good and fearless soldiers with him.



[Quote]Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it.[/Quote]Though he said "Of my own power, I can do nothing"? Yommyuk, where is your head , today?



[Quote]Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.No one ever died in Jesus' presence. Many people died in Muhammad's presence because he killed them.[/Quote]No one has the true power to take or restore life. An enemy of God must be killed; Pharaoh was killed. Muhammad never killed an innocent person, or a believer. I will not remind you of the "bring him and killed him in front of me" statement. You will say its a parable and its not talking about jesus.



[Quote]Jesus never married. Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl hence making him a prev in today moral standards.[/Quote]You have a wowo thinking. A 33 year old man who is not married is your ideal man? I hope you will not follow this type of lifestyle, because no one will remember you when you die. "Omo la sheyinde ni o, lojo ale". From your name, you can understand the implication of not being childless. By the way, so was John. So the moral quality of this is not unique. Solomon the wise, in the Bible had 100 women to himself. 20 is not actually competing with him, you will agree? can you tell me how a Nine year old was born before the beginning of Islamic revelation, and still was 9 15 years later? A woman who was previously engaged, but married the man of his second engagement after the first was dissolved is not actually an unprepared and unready for marriage woman.



[Quote]Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17). Muhammad allegedly received it from an angel (Gabriel)[/Quote]Today, jesus was not God. h only received his calling from God. See ignorance?



[Quote]Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead. Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.[/Quote]The dome of the rock in Jerusalem, has a rock in it, hence the "Dome of the Rock". That rock is levitated, with the imprint of the hand of Muhammad (AS) on it. The slab of rock wanted to go to heaven with Muhammad in the isra wa Miraj. Muhammad told it to stop. It remained there, till today.



[Quote]Jesus spoke well of women. Muhammad said women were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.[/Quote]Jesus didnt speak well of his mother. Read your Bibe again. He said "Woman". In another, he said "Who is my family", but you people in front of me. Read the Quran and see that there is a chapter called Woman. Another called Maryam. Another called the woman who disputed. While the Bible said woman must not speak up, Islam permits womanthe full equality of worship, with luxury thrown in into it. Women for the first time became equal to men, in ability to own properties and inheritance, and still have the luxury to keep everything she has. She was able to burn the bra that only in the 1960s american women were able to take their proverbial bra off. While your women cant talk, Islam allows her to make choice of husband. Though many muslims ignorantly dont understand islam, there is no place a wife is oppressed, while your Jehovah and jesus his :son" cursed women to go through birth pain.




[Quote]Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22). Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)[/Quote]Peter the Satan is wrong. Sin: Jesus said those who called people fools will go to hell. Guess what? Jesus called people fool just after that. Tell us if he is sincere, where should he be? Calling people dogs and people of viper generations, is not exactly a statement that is not worse than calling them fools. Alhamdulillah, you cant even mention a single sin that Muhammad (AS) committed. You can only say that the Quran says "Ask for the forgiveness of your sins". This simply means that if he were to have committed any sin, all he needed to do was to seek forgiveness. If jesus didnt sin, I wonder what you will call his blaming God in this statement "Why has thou forsaken me?" He questioned God. If that is not a sin, what is a sin then? You worship a sinner.




[Quote]Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11) Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.[/Quote]And Muhammad (AS) went on Isra wa Miraj, the reason he was in jerusalem and led jesus and jibril and all the other 24000 prophets (AS) in salatul Ibrahim (AS). Read it again. The instruction of Salah and tashahhud were from Allah directly to him in heaven. If Jesus received instruction from God, directly, jesus must be a person with little faith in God when he yelled "my God, y God, why has thou forsaken me?" thats not a quality of great and balanced faith.




[Quote]Angels worship Jesus Christ in Heaven.[/Quote]Unless you can proof it, by giving us a verse fro jesus, since you were not there, it is merely another baseless claims from your mouth. I know you have no idea of how wrong you are.



[Quote]Jesus was virgin born, Muhammad was not virgin born.[/QUote]Big deal. Let e give you better. Ada was not born, at all. So was Eve. A woman had a greater miraculous existence than Jesus.



[Quote]Hmmm the above has made me think, who should I go for?
Jesus Christ "the son of God" Cool[/Quote]Who is the wife of God? A son of illegal union is a bastard. When you become a father, you will know the importance of marriage before babies.



[Quote]There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad.[/Quote]Correct. One is a reality while the other is a fantastic fallacy. Why fallacy for no one given prophethood that will say "worship me, instead of God".



[Quote]Muhammad falls so far short that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus.[/Quote]Correct. fails like Abraha the Friend of God. failed like Moses who you just said saw God face to face.



[Quote]Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.[/Quote]Every prophet is inferior to a crying god, hanging on a tree. You are a confusion.

@Yummyuk: « #28 on: October 21, 2010, 07:59 AM »
[Quote]Another Islamic blunder that needs to be trashed into the "Lake of Fire"

http://www.alislam.org/books/in-bible/index.html

A Prophet From Thy Brethren
The fact is that before Jesus, Moses had also foretold of a great prophet in clear and precise words. When Moses went to Mount Horeb under the command of God he addressed the Israelites saying:
The Lord thy God will raise unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken. (Deuteronomy 18:15)
And again, God's words to Moses:
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that, whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)

CORRECTION

This prophet that Moses was referring to would be beyond the ordinary because Moses was without peer among the prophets
Deut 34:10-11[/Quote]Have you seen a prophet that was ordinary from human perception? Lets try Abraham; He was in the fire for 4odays and walked right out unscathed. Are you for real or you are already drunk from many pubs binging competitions?




[Quote]And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,[/Quote]Israel thank God is not the only place that prophets (AS) arose. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, and many others that you do not know are not from Israel. Who is the first Israel? Jacob. Was there at least any prophet before him? many prophets were.



[Quote]In all the signs and the wonders, which the LORD sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,[/Quote]Are there servants of God apart from the Israelites? Yes. Who are they? All mankind. Even the muslims say to this very day that they are servants of God (Slave is the same as servant because God does not pay any of your deluded egocentrics a single dime, even though you claim you are His children and He still punishes you like a slave who is not obeying his master).



[Quote]This prophet would be "From the midst of thee" meaning "FROM AMONG YOUR FELLOW ISRAELITES" or not Arab or any other nation.Later, Judaism looked (still looking) for this prophet as a major messianic figure.[Quote]You live in England. Ask anyone if his cousin is his brethren. Ask if any of his extended family is his brethren. Dont be naive and argue with pure ignorance. I cant excuse you since you are in the same UK as the Queen. have you heard of Queen's english? Let them define who "are your brethren" to you.




[Quote]John 1:19-28
19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

22Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

23He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

24And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.

25And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?[/Quote]That prophet was neither Christ, nor Elias. Muhammad (AS) is the one that came as That Prophet, after Christ.



[Quote] 26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;[/Quote]The Jews dont even baptized! You live in England. Jews are a quid a 100. Ask them if they practice baptism. Another proof that christiianity is a goof. You should know what a goof is. Ask your american friends.



[Quote] 27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
It is obvious who John the baptist was referring to (Jesus Christ of course)[/Quote]And for mankind, a definition far more reaching than the "Jews" or "Israel", Muhammad (AS) cometh to give simple process of relationship with the Creator. Salvation made easy, from A to Z, I am calling it here.



[Quote]John 6:14
14Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.[/Quote]Were there prophets with miracles, before Jesus? Moses rang a bell.




]Quote]The new version bible even stated it clearer "He is the prophet we have been expecting."
The crowd understood the miracle as a fulfillment of OT promises in the Deut 18:15 and[/Quote]Jews were expecting "The prophet" [I hope you remember that John was asked about three prophets, whereby he said he was none of the. "The Prophet" was among the 3]. This is the reason the Jews migrated to Madina. Well they found "The Prophet".




[Quote]Malachi 4:5

(5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
The NT identifies John the Baptist as the prophet who prepared the ay for Jesus the Messiah[/Quote]If one is naive, he will thin that Jews were the first people to be created. If Adam was a jew, wouldnt everyone of us be a Jew? Am sure you know better. Reality; Prophets were alive and have passed on before Abraham. And Abraham was not even a Jew (The first Jew, if we are to agree to this label is one of the sons of jacob; by the name Judah. Judah and his brothers and jacob their father, prostrated their faces to Joseph). Now, does it make sense that mankind will not have a leader, except the one who says "I am sent only to the house of jacob"? You people need to start to use your senses; Muhammad (as) followers included many jews; male and females. Abdullah Abdulsalaam was a scholar of Torah before becoming a Muslim in Madina, before the Battle of Huud. Shuaib Al Rum was a white European (Rum is Rome what White Europe was called), Bilal bin Rabah an African, Salman Al Farsi, representing asia. We are familiar with the Arabs who followed Muhammad. We are not unmindful of the letters of invitation he sent to world leaders to accept Islam. Now in view of these and the tribal preaching of jesus, who is sent to the whole world? Now, those who have ears let them hear.




[Quote]Matt 11:11
11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

13For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.[/Quote]Maybe I should remind you that at this time, Muhammad (AS) was not born. The best was yet to come, almost 60 years, later. And his mission has remained the same for over 1400 years. This is different from the many Bibles, and still going on to this day. Lies are always so mant ways to tell it. Truth is the same, always. You never heard that?




[Quote]John 7:40-42
40Many of the people therefore, when they heard this saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet.

41Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?

42Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

BETHLEHEM! not mecca or medina. if the islamic scholars need a map, they can google it Cheesy[/Quote]A prophet Jesus was. Dont forget it. He prayed, prostrating his face to the ground to his God. I do exactly the same.




[Quote]CONCLUSION: Who is the Messiah?[/Quote]Significance of Messiah is just limited to children of Israel. It does not end prophetic office or indicates who God loved most among the human messengers (AS). The honor for both is with Muhammad (AS) Who is mentioned among the best company; the company of Angles. Jibril called him "Brother" in faith.



[Quote]ACT 3:18-24

18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.[/Quote]The suffering of Moses was more pronounced that what happened to Jesus. Proof; Considering his more than 40 years of prophetic office, no one from the Bible knows his last hour or where he was buried or not buried. The Bible says that God was actually after the life of Moses even as he started his mission. Well, did God of the Bible finally sacrificed him? I dont know. I sure know that he was better at delivering his message and standing up to scrutiny than what we read about Biblical Jesus. Moses was not afraid in the face of tyranny. We cant say the same for Biblical Jesus.




[Quote]20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.[/Quote]You remind of a person who is praising himself. Jesus, a servant slave of God, like every slave before him and the only one after him (AS) worshiped their Lord God Who sent them to man so that they can guide us to the only path that is acceptable; Islam. Proof; Jesus was not a christian by religion. Adam was not a Jew by religion.



[Quote]22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.[/Quote]What did he say in terms of brushing your teeth? Give me Biblical text. I did not give you a difficult assignment. I could have asked you couples of more complex details of how to put on a new cloth. Take of your cloth. Shower, use the bathroom, enter bathroom, get out of it, sleep. I hope you can tell me how he says husband and wife must ward of Satan before sleeping with each other. Maybe you forgot that he transferred all of these and many other complex issues of life and faith to the Another Comforter.



[Quote]23And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.[/Quote]Which land? Lets say Palestine for the sake of argument. In palestine, the christians are the minority. Jews dominate and even among the Jews we have atheists and others. The Jews now eat pork. I guess the destructios id yet to come, or it will not come. This is an unfulfilled Biblical "Prophesy".



[Quote] 24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.]/Quote]Ridiculous assertion. Only in the mind of deluted do something vague comes alive.




[Quote]John 8:24
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

"That ye may know that I am "the Messiah"[/Quote]A God taught, is actually a god.




[Quote]John 8:58
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Literally meaning "I am the Ancient of Days"[/Quote]I say to you, here and now; Verily, verity, I say on t you, Before Noah was born or was (in the same exact meaning that yopu said jesus used this was), I am. Somebody asked me, how and where; I am in a spiritual form. My soul was made exactly at the same time that Jesus soul and that of all mankind was made. Note that Noah was before Abraham. Yet am alive today. This tells you that jesus was not better than me, since he worshiped God. Today, I worship God. But you, you worship Jesus who worshiped God. This is why I say the christians are idolaters.




[Quote]My Lord Jesus Christ is alive and Kicking while Muhammed is dead and gone.
God bless Wink[/Quote]You have no idea what the present condition is. Afterall he didnt lift himself up. The One Who lifted him up stationed him in 2nd heaven with is cousin John son of Zachariya (AS). 2nd heaven is below 3rd where Anoch is, and just above 1st where father Adam is. There are occupants of 6th and 7th; Moses and Abraham, respectively. Muhammad (AS) on the Night of Isra wa Miraj passed Jesus by, twice; First when going in to higher levels and beyond what we call Duniya. The second time returning to earth with the last 4 verse of Surah baqarah revealed to him directly with out Jibril being the bringer of this revelation. Muhammad was also given the mercy of Salah which Allah says among other benefits is a means of mercy.[/quote][/quote]

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