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One should have asked this evil man called Obasanjo which of the ethnic groups arrived on earth first? His stories about yoruba people nullify each other. The two stories can be right and it is possible that both are wrong.

[Quote]Also quoting from the book Obasanjo also said: “Let me tell you more of what I learned about the Yoruba history. Oduduwa was the eldest son of King Lamurudu of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Mecca is the centre of the Islamic world. Oduduwa worshipped idols instead of practising Islam.


The elders of Mecca were very unhappy about this. There was a fight and King Lamurudu was killed and so Oduduwa and his men had to leave Mecca, making their way west.[/Quote]This story could not be possible because after the bloodless conquest of Makka by the Muslims, it didnt take too long a time that there was no singe idol worshiper in Makka, since the idols in the precinct of Ka'aba were completely destroyed and ultimatum was given for disbelievers to get out of Makka. If Obasanjo's father was a good oral story transmitter, telling his son the truth would have been better for him, today.

A man like Obasanjo can't get it right, considering that his heart is so evil that he go so lower than filth to sleep with his son's wife! This is pure abomination. It does not fit the character of any one in the family of humans.



[Quote]“For ninety days and nights they travelled looking for a new settlement. They finally stopped somewhere, in what is present-day Nigeria, and built a town called Ile- Ife.

“My cousin, Taiwo, told me another story about the Yorubas that his grandpa, my Great Uncle Adebayo, had shared with him. This story regarded Oduduwa as son of Olodumare, the Yoruba creator-god. Olodumare had sent Oduduwa to earth to create dry land over the water and, by so doing, founded Ile-Ife. It is, therefore, no surprise that many Yorubas regard Ife as the centre of creation and the cradle of civilization.[/Quote]His grand uncle lied to cousin Taiwo, too. We now see that lies are the trade marks of the Obasanjo family tree. The only thing I see here is the 90 days is a plausible journey time. OBASANJO's story is corrupt, admixture of pure lies and somewhat truth, minimally because the Yoruba's must have come from somewhere, Makka or not, is not really the matter here. If it was Makka, they must have left before or at the time Makka was being conquered.It can never be long after it was conquered that Islam was the primary religion.



[Quote]“Oduduwa’s eldest son was called Okanbi. Okanbi had seven children who became the pillars of the Yoruba nation. Okanbi’s third child became King of Benin. When Okanbi died, his older children got the lion’s share of what their father left. Cattle, wives, money, royal beads and the crown were quickly shared. His youngest son, Oranyan, was given only bare land.

“However, Oranyan soon became the richest amongst his siblings. This happened because to get any land to build or farm, the older siblings had to part with their ‘riches’ of animals, servants, money or royal beads. Oranyan then founded Oyo and became its first King. Today, if you visit Ile-Ife, there is a stone pillar marking where this great son of Yoruba is buried. This pillar is called the staff of Oranyan.[/Quote]The evil man cant get his story straight. It is Opa oranmyan that is in Ile Ife. There is no Oranyan there. The yoruba word for compulsory includes Oranyan, among others, like dandan, etc. doubt if Obasanjo is even a Nigerian, and to say his Yoruba ancestors had said from one son to another, Oranyan instead of Oranmiyan proves their foreign blood to Nigeria, because an Igbo man writing about Yoruba history would have the largest library to reference; the Yoruba people themselves.



[Quote]Other ethnic groups

“My father made sure he taught me about other ethnic groups in Nigeria. My childhood friend, Adamu, with whom I played all my childhood pranks, was Hausa. His grandfather, Papa Buba, had moved from a place in the North called Kebbi to settle in our village, long before I was born.

Oduduwa is to the Yoruba what Bayajida is to the Hausa and Daura in Katsina State is their origin. Chukwu was my other childhood friend in the village. He was an Igbo, the son of Papa Nkechi. Papa Nkechi was a palmwine tapper in addition to being a farmer.

“The Igbo people make up one of the largest ethnic groups in Nigeria. My father told me the story of how the Igbos came to settle in Igboland. The divine King, Eri, is said to be the godfather of the Igbo civilization. He was sent down to earth by God who, in the Igbo language, is called Chukwu.

When he got to earth, it was watery and swampy. There was no dry place to set his feet, so Eri told Chukwu he had had a very rough landing and, as such, had settled on top of an anthill. Chukwu sent a blacksmith armed with fire and charcoal to dry the earth. Eri then settled in the middle of Anambra valley.[/Quote]His father didn't tell him the truth. I think they are not Nigerians. The evidence is right in the picture of who are at the launching of the book; hints; The Author and a former President of a foreign country.

By the way, I am a pure Nigeria. My ethnicity is WAZOBIA, along with the in between.

please leave parents out of this. we muslims must not talk about people's parents out of anger because it is not always pleasantries.

i am asking Tonye-T to proof himself by disproving the prophet of Allah (AS) with any of the hadith he posted.

Where is the specific and permanent home of Satan?

What are the things that messenger (AS) said that Satan does that Tonye-T have proof that it is not so.

Please present your evidence.

And since Satan carried Jesus, the god and son of god to the edge of the cliff, and talk to him to jump off it, if he is sure of his position with God, how did he carry him?

Physically like a man carries a woman, sweeping him of his feet? Or did talk to his mind, controlling him as a puppet master effortlessly controls his puppet? Is there a possible other way? Tonye-T needs to tell us, so that we can now use it to measure the strength of deceit of satan, justifying Muhammad (AS) for his proper caution of the muslims or to agree with Tonye-T that satan was over hyped by the messenger (AS).

Here we have satan playing on the christian God and His son in the man named jesus. What are ordinary prophet of God to do about this, preventing his followers from ever be seduced or controlled by satan.

I'm waiting to read from Tonye-T since he said he will take all muslims. I am hoping he will pick up a hadith and tell us about the hadith. How he determines that it is superstition, considering that everyone believes that is Satan. Maybe Tonye-T knows his singular abode and satan will not live anywhere else apart from this? And the things listed that satan does are not done by Satan?

Can Tonye-T disproof himself by disproving the Messenger (AS) with hard evidence?

^^^^^^You will never hear the truth from Aletheia. He is sleeker than oil sleek on the Gulf off Louisiana, and others.


@Truth4Now: #12 on: Today at 03:39:17 AM »
[QUote]I guess your question as to whether God can make mistakes, derived from your observation of man. I hope you understand that God gave man free will - the ability to think and do whatever.

God has his own will for man. So man has a choice whether to follow God's will or not. In some cases man chooses not to follow God's will and there could be bad things happening as a result. In some other complicated cases, man could follow God's will and still have bad things happening, due to other human beings who may not be doing the will God. E.g. cases whereby a man does good and is reward by other men with evil.

any more questions?[/Quote]In all of the above, you didn't address the "grieving" part. Until its addressed, you have not answered the Poster's question. So there is your question for your "any more questions" rhetoric.

Who ever on earth put this much ignorance of verse 71 of Surah Maryam in Davidylan has done so much mayhem to his soul and has practiced injustice among mankind.

^^^^^^While mr. davidylan can be excused for his ignorance borne of his lack of knowledge of the Arabic language and further compounded by his religious zealotry which makes him an enemy of True Faith and Truth, you cant be easily overlooked on the basis of your claims that you speak and understand arabic.

This would have been your shining moment, if you would have told davidylan that the verse is part of a story concerning the reality of mankind, not just muslims, but all humansin the day of Judgment. I now believe that you are either lying about your claims of Arabic language mastery and even ability to teach muslim, like Vedaxcool the Quran. Shame on you liar. You are pitiful.

@Davidylan, below are the verses leading to verse 71 of Surah Maryam. And then the a verse i,,ediately after 71. Show me where it says only muslims will experience the crossing of the Bridge over hell. I am certain that you will fall into hell, after falling off from the bridge, if Allah Wills that your heart for being so harder than steel never receive guidance. I personally bold the places that indicate all mankind; Muslims and non muslims. Now bold the places that suggest that Muslims will be in hell and you in your heaven, whatever that heaven is, since the Bible does not specify which from the 7 heavens.


19:66 And the disbeliever [/b]says, "When I have died, am I going to be brought forth alive?"

19:67 Does [b]man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?

19:68 So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.

19:69 Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.

19:70 Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.

19:71 And there is none of you [/b]except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.

19:72 Then We will [b]save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

@Pastor AIO: « #53 on: Yesterday at 02:07:40 PM »
[Quote]When God was creating the world and everything in it he would say, "let there be so so so so so and so . . . " and it was so.

But this was before Adam had given everything it's name. So I wonder what God was calling them when he was bringing them into being. [/Quote]Good question. The Bible did not address this, directly or indirectly in the mind of our eminent Pastor, his reason for asking or proposing. Can a Biblical scholar help to stave off the embarrassment that the is suffering here? QUran has the answer in Surah Baqarah, Pastor.



@nuclearboy (m): « #54 on: Yesterday at 06:03:23 PM »
[Quote]^^ Seems it was the heavenly bodies and weather that He "spoke" into being. The others were created (Adam was made and breathed over).[/Quote]"Spoke" into being is not meaning created, since they were not there before? Did anyone think that God picked up mud and start shaping it with His Hands, hence the shape of human, and then put His Mouth over the mouth or nostrils of man and breathed into it? If you think it was not a simply command "SPoke" into being was not the case present your proof[s] and Quran had ample Proof[s] against your thinking that God sat like a pottery maker to create Adam.



@MyJoe: « #55 on: Yesterday at 06:22:51 PM »
[Quote]^^^ Gen 1 (NIV)

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.[/Quote]The bold indicates that the result surprised the Biblical God. This is a sign of not All Knowing and not totally Complete in All Abilities. The Quranic God is Competely different, because He is All Knowing,Totally Complete in All Abilities. We truly dont serve the same God.



@nuclearboy (m): « #56 on: Yesterday at 07:38:58 PM »
[Quote]^^^ Not defending anything there, Sir. I believe I see a subtle shift as creation progresses from the impersonal to more personal up until man. And then came woman (which explains the inherent complexity). Language like "created", "made" become more obvious.

Not that any of this adds value to the thread's reason![/Quote]Correct. So the shifting is progressing by your carrying it along. We are nowgoing back to the quest of the Thread; The Origina language of Man. I have to say that it must be same with which God communicated with Adam [AS] and his mate, Hawa.



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Re: what was man's original language? Hebrew, Arabic, or what
« #57 on: Yesterday at 07:52:44 PM »
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^^^^^^Rubbish. As usual.


@Tonye-T: Ask Satan, your defender and friend. He will tell you.[/Quote]I affirmed my responses above to those who I responded to and or encouraged to ask their/his friend and patron; Satan, since I assume that he will say that Arabic is superstition, as the actual first language of man.

We do know that the area of the world where Adam and his wife first met after leaving Paradise, settled on earth is today's Makka. We know there is a structure there that is called the First House built for the worship of God. We know that there is a hadith that says Adam was its first human builder. We know that there is a verse of the Quran that calls Makka the mother of the towns. We know there is a hadith that says when God wanted to bring heavens and earth into existence, the mouth piece for the earth, in obedience was Makka, also the first part of the earth that emerged from under water surface.We can see that it is a desert, today. We see that the blessing received by this city is head and shoulders above that of Jerusalem. While from the Quran, Makka, in the process of Final revelation, God orders no permissibility of "disbelievers" in His Complete Oneness must enter Makka. This is not the same with Jerusalem. Anyone who has funds to be there, even if he says he is a Hindu or Buhddist is allowed. Hebrew existed before Ibrahim arrived in Palestine and settled among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Somebody may wish to argue who lived in Makka before Ismail (AS) and his mother. He or she needs to notice that when Ibrahim and Ismail (AS jami'a) were building the Kaaba, there was an existing foundation pattern, which actually was followed by the father and son builders to finally erect the Old structure back to existence after Noah's flood (AS).

@Aletheia: « #5 on: Yesterday at 07:38:57 PM »
[QUote]Quote from: Benstino on October 28, 2010, 06:09 PM
Its written in the bible in Genesis 6vs6 ''and it repented God that he had made man on the earth,and it grieved him at his heart''.Before someone regrets or grieves over an action,he must have made a mistake.If God knew that man would sin,he would have looked forward to that day and he wouldn't have grieved when it happened because it did not come as a surprise.Is God really Omniscient?

^Your logic is faulty. If someone close you, say your son or wife commits murder and does not show remorse for his or her actions, won't you feel aggrieved and saddened on his behalf. Does it mean you made a mistake?[/Quote]Your perception of how complete God is, is completely off the chart. You do drag God to the level of man. Shame on you aletheia.



[Quote]Your misunderstanding is based on a faulty understanding of the verse in question:
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
You base your argument on the English translation, but does the word translated "repented" in the KJV, imply that God made a mistake? Certainly not. The NIV for example translates it as "grieved".

The word is נחם (nâcham) : to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one’s self], repent (-er, -ing, self).[/quote]show us any of the definitions listed that fits the expectation of the All Knowing God when His creation does what does not expected of the creation. I'm waiting for your best definition of what All Knower must feel when man makes mistake.



[Quote]As with other situations; a lot of the nuances of the Hebrew words are lost in translation so to speak. For example:
Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.[/Quote]The bold argues against the veracity of the Bible and the Biblical Gods as Perfect entities.



[QUote]It is the exact same word נחם (nâcham) that is translated as comfort. In the English, the lovely symmetry, foreshadowing and poetry of God's Word does not come out, but those reading the scriptures in the Original Hebrew will immediately realize that the same verse points to Noah (a sort of pun).[/Quote]Each time you argue, you actually debase the essence of your argument. Imagine what must have been translated wrongly, from the most ancient greek manuscripts? Imagine that.



[Quote]God is Perfect and All-knowing: He does not make mistakes and nothing in Genesis 6:6 suggests that His creation of Man is a mistake.[/Quote]The Biblical God grieved, it means unhappy, regretted, wished could have taken back the act done.

@Almuhandis; « #151 on: Yesterday at 09:32:39 PM »
[Quote]pQuote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 04:03:23 PM
you know am not homosexual. i am a father of children. as i have said, Allah has put you in a place of mercy. You see those who employed you can easily terminate you. Since you have a boss, and you will never be a boss, you are just as easily fired as any employee.
4D STUPIDITY! YOU MUST BE FROM MARS.IN THE FED GOVT BEING A BOSS IS THE WORSE ATTAINMENT ONE CAN REACH. YOU THINK ITS A PRIVATE SECTOR JOB,MUMU LIKE YOU.[/Quote]Maybe Shaitan will excite you enough, as it did excite Fir'awn and he perished in the sea, just by the stick in the hand of Seyiddina Musa (AS).Never forget that you are the mushrik here. The President of every country is the Chairman of that Nation (Incorporated). Here in America, President Obama is Chairman of the board of USA Incorporated. In Nigeria, it must be President GEJ. Hopefully, your arrogance will make you slip and I will nail you to your own cross, and no one will help you down, dead or in a coma! There was a yoruba song that goes like this "Obo (monkey) ni o para e, odale ore, ore, obo (monkey) ni o para e. You might just play the part.



[Quote]IN YOUR ADVANCED STUPIDITY YO WERE DELUDED TO BELIEVE THAT A FATHER CANT BE A HOMOSEXUAL-I PITY YOUR REASONING,[/Quote]I dont know that Yoruba fathers are now homosexuals? Well when you find a Yoruba father who is a muslim and turns away from a possible 4 wives for a man, let me know. Maybe you know some, already. I am sure you will reveal yourself, sooner than we all think.



[QUote]NO WONDER YOU RUSH TO COVER UP BY SAYING THAT YOU ARE A FATHER-[/Quote]Reality is now covering up. What kind of world do you live in?



[Quote]YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YHE MOTHER OF THOSE CHILDREN.[/Quote]And if the children get you, your head wil be fractured with baseball bats. Ask those who live in the USA. The americans beat the daylight out of people who insult their parents. You may well be measuring up for your black suit and tie with white shirt for your journey to Jahannam. You are already shaking like leaves of a tree in a stormy weather.



[Quote]WELL ARE YOU SURE I AM A GATEMAN WOULD YOU PULL YOUR SO CALLED STRINGS TO FIRE A GATEMAN? NOW I SEE HOW CONNECTED YOU ARE-FIRING GATEMEN Grin
IN MY RELIGION HAVING THOUGHT OF AN EVIL IS AS GOOD AS HAVING DONE IT-AS A MAN THINKS IN HIS HEART SO HE IS.
I DONT TALK TO HOMOSEXUALS![/Quote]?Your talking too much is a breach of security and you may be a danger to Nigeria. It is people like you the enemies will capture, and will divulge all the secrets of his nation before even the threat of torture. I will let you continue to talk and release the information that will get you nailed hard. Continue to run your mouth.

[Quote]« #67 on: Today at 03:10:16 PM »

Quote from: nikkykay on Today at 02:53:54 PM
@ Tudor,
I wonder y u r not responding to these ppple that are against what u said.
R u feeling guilty or what?And if i can ask, did this man messed/disgrace up your demonic spirit that u decided to talk to him like this.
I wonder the kinda parents that gave birth 2 you u.your mother must have been an abusive woman and talks to your father anyhow so u inherited this from her.
This shows u have no home training at all and i pity the man that will marry u cos u will say worse things to him.
na wa for u

You must be very stupi*d and silly to call tudor's mum, was Tudor talking to You and why bring his innocent mum in this matter, a woman who may not even know that there is such website as nairaland, Is that what they teach you in that pathetic Deeper Life church ?

must you post ? next time watch your hand , if you dont have any reasonable thing to post, you go to bed, that will be better .[/Quote]The Bold isa pair of classic. The woman who doesn't know him calls him a woman, based on his picture. The man who knows him well calls him a man based on his true sef. This is a good laugh to last through the weekend.

With the emphasis laid on the woman's age, you would have thought that the man who just married her was like a 40 year old spring "roaster". well, he should be happy a 65 year old woman gave him a second look.

Some men dont know how to be couth. maybe not to be flippant has great value. loose lips sink ship of marriage.

^^^^^^Rubbish. As usual.


@Tonye-T: Ask Satan, your defender and friend. He will tell you.

mayo waak, waka away may (o) be you will think better.

if i were a christians named Paul. if i reverted to islam. it will make no sense that in the crowd of muslims, i am the Paul in the mix.


if Abu Bakr (Bakare in yoruba) left Islam, why keep the name?


Can you answer that for me straw brain? You will never learn.
abey waka far away yo as far as MAYOrca, Portugal.

you and and your idols will all end up in Jahannam.

buying a sword is fashionable when you are preaching Godliness.

Buying a holy book is fashionabe when you are in war front to use to kill your enemies.

When you are a Judge of court of law, buying a hammer is good for your his job.


No wonder Jesus asked his companions to buy SWORDS for his peaceful mission.

elede thinks he wins. There is an old yoruba song, which really really is similar that swine with gold teeth will use it to pick the dirt.

@JesusDWay; « #108 on: Today at 01:26:34 PM »
[Quote]@Poster and those who support him.

Many religions practice the art of sacrificing animals to take away sins. You can take your time to find this out. There must be something unique about this practice that will make it common to those religions. My submission is this, this a practice that God Himself started when He used the skin of an animal to clothe Adam and Eve(He must have killed the animal before He can use its skin and is a type of what He will do when He will send Christ to die on the cross) and others have picked it up as all knowledge proceeds from God, though some may have twisted it.

The wages of sin is death. Armed robbers and high offenders that are killed for their deeds should suffice if you want proofs. God sent His Son to die for us so that we will not have to receive the wages of our sins, that is why He is referred to as the Lamb of God that was slain from the foundation of the world and the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the whole world. The bible did tells us that we were born sinners and nothing can be truer. Nobody taught us how to lie when we were small, how to steal, etc, we just did them naturally because that is the nature we were born with.

God so loved the world, that is why He will pay attention on this planet and not other planet even if the earth seems insignificant. If thats His choice, you cannot question it. You and i have the right to our choices and so God also.

Nobody makes the Sun and the Moon to come out when they do. At least, there has been no scientific explanation for why they come out at the time they do but the bible says God made it to be so and so it was. This is to make you know, that there must be someone behind all these. Nothing just happens. Even Newton's First Law of motion supports this. I'm telling you the truth with all my heart, God really does exists and He has His own ways and they are higher than our own.

Believe Him today and ask Jesus to come into your heart, and He will reveal Himself to you. He is the reason for all existence.[/Quote]The bold, if it is a proof that death is a wages of sin, why is Paul, dead? Was a sinner whose time was up? Why did all who had died passed away, some without any know sin? Lets try John the son of Zacharaiah and his father; give me a sin that either committed. How about Lot? How about Noah? How about the father of faith, Abraham?
Well you said Jesus died for 3 days. Was he a sinner for those three days, dying  for his sins, and all of a sudden becomes a sinless man? If he died for your sins, in those three days, I wonder why christians are still dying? MAybe he didnt really die? Maybe the wages of sin is not death, so the claim that Jesus died for sin was a hoax?

While I will ignore the playful old man still playing with play dough, above, it may be interesting to note that he and bermuda1 are both wrong on their take of father Adam.

@Bermuda1:« #48 on: Today at 02:18:01 PM »
[Quote]@OlaAdegbu

Im sorry but that link, like most other biblical defendants rather than answer the questions go round in circles in a bid to confuse people.

Adam was not the first man.[/Quote]Sure Adam was. If not tell us who was and give us his name and how the first human became man, then also how the first woman appeared. Which came first will be your problem; the chicken or the egg?



[Quote] Adam is a mythological legend made up by the children of Isreal to reinforce their belief as the favoured children of God.[/Quote]And anyone who thinks that the children of Jacob had anything more to do with Adam than any tribal human group alive, must have to examine his thinking. Let me argue with the assumption that the Jews make this claim. There will be a viewpoint that we are all Jews if Adam was a Jew. We will also be children of Israel if Adam was a child of Israel. Who was Israel, but Jacob, a grandson of Abraham. Is it possible that Adam was a descendant of Jacob?

This alone is enough to kill the idea that any has about claiming the father of man for Jews or because of their dislike of religions or the children of Israel if either or both is the case, discard creation and the fact that there is a Creator.

Even Jacob did not practice Judaism or a child of Israel. Jacob was Israel and practiced the religion of father Ibrahim (AS), who was not a Jew or Christian.

My argument against it is very obvious by the above. This is reality. Only those living a lie will say there is no Master of this complex Universe, or say the Master is unable by Himself to decide the path of Mercy and Punishment.



[QUote]The world obviously started with one Man and one woman. That man and that women were not Adam and Eve as described by the bible[/QUote]Am on your side about the erroneous condition of the Bible. But Adam and Eve truly existed, not in a garden in this world, but started out in heaven, then Paradise until Satan excited them to go against what they have instructed. Then they were sent out to the earth to produce their children who manage the earth, as the temporary custodian[s].

^^^^^The words of a drunk.

Proof that he is a drunk; See his emocom. he is laughing instead of crying.

In Abeokuta, the best of them are all muslims. Abeokuta never produce a good seed, except that he is a muslim.


Go to the thread about the 7 year old phenom. She is a muslim.

You are so confused you design three gods for yourself.

Do you have authority from God that He is 3, or 1 of the 3?

@Aletheia: [Quote]4. But God's Love requires Mercy.[/QUote]You can have Mercy on a person you dont Love. Hulk Hogan can have mercy on a 25 year old 130 pound man who slapped his face. He will not love the man or his act, but have mercy on him not have given him a beating that will send him into a sudden shock, that he may be silent for a long time (fainted, went into a coma), that people may think that he died, and they have to drag him to a place of burial (I think it shouls ring a bell).


God Almighty does show Love or Mercy to all, on this earth. He will on the day of Judgment show Love by showering Mercy on those who worshiped Him in truth on earth, those who did not deny His existence, or say there is a partner with Him in Trinity or any other way, or make Him a tribal God.

Your problem is that you dont know that God is capable of Independently Loving and showing Mercy on Man, without you installing a patron with Him or between you and Him.

You just have to bring Jesus into the mix, always.

Why dont you close your eyes and imagine the Awesomeness of God, Alone without a partner?

If you think having a baby without a father is therefore making the baby son of God, then imagine this; a man who produced a woman external from his own body? Is the woman daughter of God, the man who produced her son of God, or God? These two people, the male who produced female were nothing but creations themselves.

They were created in a creation way different from what you expect. God created these two, in very specifically unique was, as adult, each process greater and more complex that how Jesus was created.

The same God allowed the two man and woman to be husband and wife, as mates they produced children in a different way than they themselves were made. In time we get used to this way because majority of us are created that way.

You now doubt that the same Awesome God is incapable of creating a man from just the unfertilized egg of a woman, unless He must be his Father, and the baby has to be Him in flesh! This is how you think.


You cheapen God. man. You cheapen God.

you know am not homosexual. i am a father of children. as i have said, Allah has put you in a place of mercy. You see those who employed you can easily terminate you. Since you have a boss, and you will never be a boss, you are just as easily fired as any employee.

^^^^^^Abeg boy shut up. Who said to you that if you die unjustly, ignorantly that you will get 70 or whatever virgin in Paradise, instead of going to Hell for your wrongful killing of yourself along with others?

And religion is not the holding back of Nigeria or Africa. Ignorance and lack of national agenda and love of self are part of the reasons we are backward.

We dont manufacture. We only consume. We dont use our brains. We keep it new and fresh, unused always. We are not aspiring to greater things and we dont have a collective purpose to eradicate evil from our mist. Instead we become frustrated and instead of beating them, we join them.

Religious beliefs, right guidance or wrong can shape man in a good war, if we are conscious of the goods we must pursue for our brighter future, leaving behind a great legacy, progressive foundations and dynamism for future generations.


We can blame religions, but ourselves. japan and other asiatic nations are by and large disbelievers based n any of the three monotheist religions. Yet japan is a first class nation. Why, though they are disbelievers? The reason is that each is contributing to the progress of japan. They are thinkers and doers. Unlike us who lack both. If a person were to start up an engineering company for research and development and every day living products, somebody will be intending to derail him. This is one of our cronic problems. lets work together as one, regardless of our religion or lack of one. We are in the same boat; lower or upper deck, it matters because we will sink all together.

@Kola Oloye; « #99 on: Today at 08:22:10 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:30:56 AM
So that I make it clear to Seyibrown; When you said post #12, it was the man that posted below that I saw registered as post #12. While later my post #12, I had based on my initial observation of the other person, responded that if you wanted us to discuss his 4 lines post, copy it and wewill discussed it, because to me, it was not worth my interest.

That said, the air is refreshed and I have since answered the questions.
I see that the unpardonable sin is only against holy spirit.

Father and son, you can sin against them. But say away from sinning against the Ghost, though Father is the most powerful, and ghost is even less than jesus who on his own power can do nothing.

strange. very strange. I guess the ghost needs extra protection from the people who abuse defenseless things. Ghost has to be more defenseless than Jesus, so the Ghost must be defended vigorously.

Don't refer to Holy Ghost/Spirit as just ghost. He is the Comforter.That was the same Spirit
that was moving upon the waters right from the beginning of Creation.That is the spirit of the Creator.
Have a lovely day.[/Quote]This your response should have been more appropriate to the first bold, even though the response will lack any reason to thing what I said is inappropriate. Is Father not the One in Power, yet you can be forgiven when you sin against Him? Is Jesus not the son, next to the Father and definitely more desired than the Ghost, yet you can see against Jesus and get forgiveness? Was the ghost not the one that mounted and overpower and coming upon Mary so that Jesus can be produced? Was the egg that produced Jesus in the womb of Mary not CREATED?

Now, bros Kola, tell me how powerful is the ghost based on my statement which you think is putting him down and your statement which is elevating him? Is he powerful today and defenseless tomorrow? Be real, man.Am fed up with your shenanigan. Go back to mama and papa and ask them to forgive you and return to islam, one time, instead of playing brain dead, about this God and those Gods. Abeg, commot.



[Quote]« #100 on: Today at 09:17:42 AM »

Luke 11:53-12:12

As he went away from there, the scribes and the Pharisees began to press him hard, and to provoke him to speak of many things, lying in wait for him, to catch at something he might say.

In the meantime, when so many thousands of the multitude had gathered together that they trod upon one another, he began to say to his disciples first, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.[/Quote]Third party reporting. Well it is according to "Third" party. SO it must be at best 4th party reporter, who is so far removed, he could have been saying whatever floats his boat. Can we believe the 4th rate story?



[Quote]"I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear him! Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? And not one of them is forgotten before God. Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.[/Quote]The reporter (Bible writer) is reporting what "supposedly" Luke told whoever Luke told. Lets just assume its the reporter. So Luke was telling him that Jesus said the above. In the above we read that the "WHOM" to fear was the"HIM" (Whoever that Him is, and we know that Jesus was not saying he is the HIM, based on what the Him is capable and will do), Who will kill and has POWER to cast into Hell. Is that not God, different and separate from jesus {Adn Jesus sai of my own power/will, I can do nothing], who will not kill? God Almight even numbered the hairs on the head. We muslims say this. We know it and the like of Tonye-T will say it is Superstition. If God is so painstakingly detailed in the affairs of man, Satan who wishes to derail man from obeying God, how less devious do we expect from him so that we can forget Who is our Worship Focus?



[Quote]"And I tell you, every one who acknowledges me before men, the Son of man also will acknowledge before the angels of God; but he who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God. And every one who speaks a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious how or what you are to answer or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."[/Quote]In the above, never a time did Jesus referred to himself but as man (Son of man). When you call him son of God, or God, realizing that he did not say that above, which of your parties is correct? When you say Holy Spirit says the power of God shall overshadowed and come upon Mary, if that is not blasphemy, what is since from the episode, pregnancy results with Jesus being born by it? If any woman allows a man to try that scene on her, and she gets pregnant, would you think that she will say that she did not have sex? Kola, you are a married man, any woman who says she will role play that with you, run away from her presence, since she is not the wife. Okay? The Bible can make people naive believing that there is no sex.

And he fools his brain dead comrades by his lies. Won o kuku mo otun yato sosi.

Martian, your spit is not a soaking and wetting heavy rainfall. I aint concern about you.

I dont have a lunatic, or psychotic arab. I worship Allah. The Unseen.

You do believe there is something you cant see with your eyes?


And japan would not have refused islam, because they went their, as marchants, people not forcing the religion on any person. Just as they did in China, India.

@Yommyuk: [Quote]My faith in Jesus Christ is not about selling but about LIVING the life of Christ. I suggest you do likewise[/Quote]These christians are hypocritical, when they are in their highest moral stratum. If not, please live the life of till you die in these respects: Wear robes, or cassocks, wear sandals to match, wear beard, fast regularly, eat sparingly, and dont have sex, until you are married. Muslims live like this.

Heck, live like Jesus; Not marry and no sex or children at all, corner side or not. None. Can you do that and encourage all christians to do same. If you can, Christianity is self destruct, in 150 years. In this Millennium, starting today, there willnot be a single christian on earth by 2160.

Am fortunate. Am free from the group that Mutley313 is calling its God blond and blue eye or the one that is tribalistic. Mutley knows that my God sees him, though Mutley cant see Him. He knows that my God will end his existence when the time comes, while he knows that my God lives on. He knows that my God is Irresistible, while Mutley needs all sustenance.

Mutley knows that the Universe is not without its Master, Who designs and controls its affairs. Since your eyes or your knowledge cant even comprehend the Universe, a small part of what the Master created, how do you think you will see or be able to comprehend the Master, especially when it is your intention to disobey Him? The Easel (painting) is always what the painter can easily grasp, control. So, even less in responsibility or task is the universe to the Authority of its Master Painter; Allah The Sublime. Is there any along with Him? No.I swear by Him, that there is none.

Mutley is a rebel.

And am glad that I can go to Japan. Islam is not outlawed.

So that I make it clear to Seyibrown; When you said post #12, it was the man that posted below that I saw registered as post #12. While later my post #12, I had based on my initial observation of the other person, responded that if you wanted us to discuss his 4 lines post, copy it and wewill discussed it, because to me, it was not worth my interest.

That said, the air is refreshed and I have since answered the questions.
I see that the unpardonable sin is only against holy spirit.

Father and son, you can sin against them. But say away from sinning against the Ghost, though Father is the most powerful, and ghost is even less than jesus who on his own power can do nothing.

strange. very strange. I guess the ghost needs extra protection from the people who abuse defenseless things. Ghost has to be more defenseless than Jesus, so the Ghost must be defended vigorously.

@Almuhandis: « #809 on: Yesterday at 11:47:33 PM »
[Quote] Cool its either you are looking for my trouble Cool or you just manifested 1D stupidity.
ok for bashy sake;I didnt write saboor, I wrote Zaboor. I simply wrote Psalm Chapter 1.
the kitab you are talking about is the whole(chapter 1 to chapter 147) unlike the Holy Quran that has different names for different chapters.the chapters of psalms are all called by the sole name of the kitab psalms. although sometimes some Xtians may call a chapter after the song writer eg psalm 23 is called zaboor leDaud ie the psalm of David.
well you never ever like me and my answers Grin this has no exception Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry[/Quote]You said Zaboor Surah wahid.So is Zaboor surah wahid, a kitab or a surah?

Define Zaboor surah wahid as a Kitab,if it is and give us explanation of why it is a Kitab.
If you say it is a Surah, please define it so and give us full explanation why it is a Surah.


Is Psalm not a book? What is surah wahid, about a kitab? Is Psalm, Zaboor all not from David, that you are assigning Psalm 23 to him? Ode. You must think you are talking to another ode, like you.

you are thinking some people we call 5th world citizens. they wake up drunk. they go through their day drunk or smoke.

@Almuhandis: « #133 on: Yesterday at 12:06:36 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on October 26, 2010, 12:50 AM
Guy you need to get a life so been on PC for all day means we are jobless hahaha lets aggree you are not fortunate like us i have some banker's as friend work at the CSU and they always respond to my comments on Facebook, chat on yahoo messenger even some are here and always respond but since you are not fortunate to have access to PC when ever you want so dont use your aggressive on us pls or maybe you work as a Laborer so there wont be any chance for you to have access to PC and i believe you are using MTN cheat proof me wrong

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Its prove not proof-ode ni yen-whalihi kai wawa ne.Why are most yoruba muslims struggling with the English language? oh i remember-its not your Mama language.[/QUote]A 7 year old girl is in JSS in Abeokuta. Guess what? She is a muslim. Go read her name on NL thread about the phenom. Ode do.


[Quote]Bank csu job? thats a slave job,laa I cant do such a dull mechanistic job,not at all.And simply put i am not a labourer.Let me give you a clue about the kind of prestigious deadly job I do. As a christian I cant lie to yesua. i do not use MTN cheat(though you are not worthy of me proving anything to you) I use starcomms, am currently on a 3month plan.so dont worry your head-because you didnt know what I meant.
Let me give you an assignment Cool I work in a place where the Federal Govt provides Hardware support to our Armed Forces-one among the only functional three in Africa-the other 2 being in Lybia and SA.Now this organisation has a tower of a property in lagos but has her operational and Administrative HQ in a very strategic state in the north. I specialise in converting matter to a form that could alter Inetia Huh( i hope you know what that means) I also have the authority to request for your head to do my experiments Lips sealed
What is the name of this Federal Govt Organisation.you have One hour to answer, or forever I will Isolate and lock you down Cool If you come to its massive military fortified gates-ask for Almuhandis,you will indeed meet me Cool
counting---------------------------------------- Lips sealed[/Quote]Allah says in the Quran "Dont be unjust to them just because of your dislike of their behavior". If this was not in my play in my heart since you gave us a hint about your place of work, I would have started working to get you fired. I will pull enough string that when you are fired, they will tell you its from a poster from NL. Allah is Merciful to you. Thank Him. You just dont know.

@Tonye-T: « #140 on: Yesterday at 12:56:01 PM »
[Quote]OMgooosh where has Tonye been all this while?. . . [/Quote]So while you were away, whatever that place was, we made prayer for you. Now that you are back, please tell us how you know that a single one of those hadith about the way of satan was superstition? Define superstition while at it, so that we would know that you actually know what you are talking about. Somebody said you will know the ways of Stan because you are his disciple. I seconded that opinion.



[Quote]what a full house filled with 'em sons of the hilarious prophet Mo Grin Grin Grin. . .I'll take you all thread by thread. . . this is getting real interesting Grin Grin Grin Grin[/QUote]the bold is typical of you. Assume; make an ass of yourself. My father is full blooded Nigerian. Prophet Muhammad (AS) is not related in the least to Nigerian. And though he was sent tothe whole world, he did not have to travel to every corner of the globe to fulfill this duty. He started by writing letters of invitation to enter Islam to world leaders of his time. Further, he has companions who represented all groups of mankind. Finally, he told his companions at Hajj Akbari's Farewell address: carry this message to those who are not here, today. Immediately, his companions left Makka to every part of the world, so near and very far, preaching Islam, while Muhammad (AS) was still alive. This is unlike what I call the situation of the dead poet, who it was after he left the earth that they had a reawakening to take 3 gods to the whole world, away from the people who will never believer it; the Jews.

Anyway, tell us how any of the Hadith is a superstition. Pick the hadith of your choice.

@Gameaddict: « #79 on: Yesterday at 08:15:00 PM »
[Quote]@ OP : God had to kill his son because it was the only way.

If you are a christian or muslim: I believe you have read not just the bible, qur'an but other books and testimonies about the miracles of God, his anger, his deeds and through that, not only learned about God's nature but being able to tell yourself that some of what people suggest or think might be wrong and have come up with your own views while accepting that of others.

Reading our qur'an and bibles, books which we have turned into idols rather than a way to learn about God, learning about the world and taking this journey called life, understanding that God's nature is different from that of man, is it not clear that your ideas of other means based on our perception of his power and his ways are definitely not the solution.

He is indeed an all powerful God. A God who has felt so much pain because He is not just some being who does this and that. He is a God who does things because it is the best way. In humans, God has become a concept and going from that, we have built certain beliefs and expectations on what a being who should be God can do and how he can do it. but truth will always be truth and it will always be a shock to man.

God feels anger, why? Because that is part of his nature. His anger is not like that of man or that of kings amongst men. It is not something that comes and goes like ours. His anger is great and with far reaching consequences. He is a God who feels regret. In fact, all our emotions can be said to be derived from him and perhaps, this is where we begin to falter in our perception of him.

Don't let your perception of God lead you to think you know how things should be done or how things are. We will never know God's nature and the world around him, it's workings and complexities, at least, not now when we are yet humans,


If you are an atheist/disbelieving scientist/put some other new fad here: Before I attempt to convince you about things which I'll admit are beyond my knowledge, tell me how the big bang came to be, the chicken or the egg, which came first, explain all the missing links and unproved theories bordering quantum physics and the beginning of the universe.

Even you will admit that we do not know all the answers and since we were not there, some of it is beyond us. Our theories are disproved over and over, fossils and the hypothetical family tree of man are cut down and rearranged with every few discovery, some of our theories are so ridiculous that the chances of it occurring are thought to be impossible on probability scales. Doesn't it even surprise you how the order of the universe came to be? Like the Jehovah witnesses put it, The world is so complex and beautiful, It's impossible to think there's not a designer behind all this, And He is watching, taking account of everything[/Quote]Its the ONLY way?