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@Yommyuk; « #72 on: Today at 12:21:37 AM »
[QUote]@bashy_demy

tell me since Jesus know about this then its the will of God what brought satan to this according to what your bible Verse 27 that after the sop Satan enter him,

Remember the word "Freewill" that I stated earlier?

Confirmation that Jesus knew about the betrayal prior to it being carried out is in Verse I8. Meaning (GOD)Jesus had foreknowledge of the future.

Also Verse 19 "Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he." the bolded implies that Jesus is the Messiah, Savior and utimately the image of the invisible God.[/Quote]Through it all, he yelled out, when you expected him to show strength and window to knowing about it, all along. So he yelled, out which tells us that he knew nothing of the future, since he said earlier he does not know the time of the hour. "My God, my God . . . why has thou forsaken me?" is not exactly telling anyone that the speaker knew was was going to happen to him, before it did. Or in Yommyuk's book, it does?



[Quote]And lastly, the will of God was to turn the counsel of satan into foolishness. Satan's will was to destroy mankind but God's will was to save it from the power of darkness. Therefore, Yes! It can be said that it was the will of God that brought satan to this(using your words) In essence meaning for satan to FAIL.

if satan did not enter judas, the betrayal of Jesus would have not taken place.[/Quote]The same satan that entered Jesus, during the many temptations, or how could we account for taking him on the cliff; physically picking "God Jesus up" or "working in God Jeus mind"? Either way, is it a befitting quality of God to be controlled like that by satan? The same satan that entered the mind of Peter who Jesus yelled ast, thus "get behind me Satan (peter)". What a scene that was. A leader and his companion.



[Quote]Therefore Jesus would have not died on the cross leaving me hell bound.[/QUote]From this statement, yommyuk was saying that Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot,Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aroon, Elsha, Elijah, Ezra, David, Solomon, who lived and diedbefpre Jesus are unfortunate, unlike him who is fortunate to have jesus to save him. Does this idea make any sense, especially when jesus said that nothing of the Old prophets and their laws would be abolished, but must all be fulfilled? Did anyone noticed that I did not include the name of Ishmael because they said he will be a wildass? Where and how and when did he behaved anything remotely like so? I need a single example, up to when he and his baby brother, Isaac buried their father. Bible and its fake character assassination.



[Quote] But thank God, Jesus was betrayed, died, was buried and resurrected on the 3rd day making me Heaven Bound.[/Quote]Thank God that the truth finally came out; Jesus is different from God. Buried, yommyuk said. Buried means dugged hole, put man in it, cover man with dirt. Did they do that to jesus? Yommyuk, maybe its the cold that is affecting you.

@Aletheia; Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
[Quote]And you have never had sex? I hope at your age you are married. All that success will go to waste.

Apparent that you and I speak different languages. Carnal in the Biblical context is not sex. So let me interpret for you: As a carnal (flesh-bound) man you think, and as a carnal (flesh-bound) man you ask,. . .Moreover: (Romans 8:6- For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.[/Quote]All the functions which make man alive, food, drink, sex, all of them are there. Which one is not Carnal? Worship, if done properly is not carnal, but spiritual. Otherwise satan deceiving him that he is doing proper worship, while he is lost and far gone. Those who are not worshiping as Jesus did, at the Garden when he prostrated his face to God (Tahajjud) are in carnal, when they think that they are worshiping. Every mind is subject to the Law of God, because God gives Free Will. Oh, aletheia, you argue like an undeveloped carnal mind, at that. You need to have a matured mind.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
The man named Jesus was not God.
The man born blind cannot comprehend the sun. . .(1 John 4:2-3)[/Quote]He feels the heat of the midday sun, doesnt he? You see why the Bible is weak in reasoning?



[Quote] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.[/QUote]Before now, is there a window to say to us God Almighty will come in the mist of man, as man? Show it to me, Aletheia. I know you know better than this. You are a living proof of the hadith that it is the parents that makes them disbelievers, away from Islam. With all that brain, see the way you are cajoled by nothingness? Show me how God leaves His Honored Position and dragged Himself as you said He did? I know you know better; you a human being will not go to a not befitting gathering in your native Nigeria? Or you still hang out with high school kids in their Saturday afternoon dormitory get together?



[Quote]Others before you have said likewise; follower of al-maseeh al-Dajjaal (Antichrist). Strange to think that Islam talks of the antichrist, yet rejects the True Christ.[/QUote]Can you give me a description of Massiah Dajjal (Lanatullahi Ta'ala)? Is Jesus God, from your own belief? What will Antichrist be then? What is Lucifer then? Between Lucifer and Antichrist, who will be the one alive when the other is dead? I am giving you brain food. I pray it benefits you, because I dont want you to die in ignorance.



[QUote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
God regretted, making man. Check your Bible.
Where does it say so? [/Quote]Genesis 6/6-7 God says: “I am grieved that I have made man” (NIV)
“And it repented the Lord that He had made man on earth” (KJV)
1 Samuel 15/11 God says: “I am grieved that I have made Saul a king” (NIV)
“It repenteth me that I have set Saul a king” (KJV)
2 Samuel 24/16 says: “the Lord was grieved, ” (NIV)
See also 1 Chronicles 21/15



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
Jesus said he will return while the disciples were still alive. He didnt.
Really, is that what John 21:22-23 says:
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
Or Matthew 24:34; Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.[/Quote]You need a pastor> I hate to play one this evening. The disciples are all dead. I hope you know that, by now.

Matthew 16:28, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Luke 21:32, "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
He makes similar statements in Luke 9:27 and Mark 9:1.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
Adoption is not prohibited in Islam. . .My wife and I are working on adopting a female child from Nigeria.
Really? I 'm sure you are confused as to what adoption means. Are you sure you are a real Muslim?[/Quote]Lol. Ele eke ebu. Yes. I know what adoption is. yes. I am a muslim.



[Quote]Below are direct quotes from an Islamic website here
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Islam prohibits adoption but allows Muslims to raise children who are not theirs. . .The raised child [b]cannot inherit [/b]from the people who raised him/her[/Quote]Raising a child without changing their last name and severing them from their bloodline. Thats how we adopt, since we do not want the adopted child to marry his/her own blood sibling while not marrying ours because of nurturing, forgetting nature. Allah says "Call them by their father's name". Islam being the ultimate freedom platform for a woman, she bears her father's name, still in marriage. Can your religion permit that? Am sure your wife had since forgotten her father's name, bearing yours instead. You as a doctor should know that artificial institution is what you have of today;s so called adoption; when an adopted child is hit with a disease that is not known in the family. WHo do you run to so that your adopted child lives? His blood parents, relations. Dont be an oppressor by saying to a chid that may need your care that he/she bears your name or nothing. Finally, legacy is what an adopted child gets from you; good education, and all the works, which are in your will, as promissory.



[Quote]Here is the qur'anic verse supporting the prohibition:
"Allah" has not assigned unto any man two hearts within his body, nor has He made your wives who you declare (to be your mothers) your mothers, nor has He made those who you claim (to be your children) your children. How can he, when al-ilah knows nothing of love?[/Quote]And my wife bears her father's name while yours bears your father's name. I guess she is your adopted daughter? Or is it dad that adopted her and you got her for your own? You want to keep it in the family, uhhhhn? Am joking with you here, because I want to open your mid up to reality. Adopting a person without changing their blood name, and not isolating them is a noble thing, because they need to pull up the blood line from the success they achieve through your kindness. This is Islam, and christianity lacks it.



[Quote]The underlying reason why Islam prohibits adoption is spiritual because the spirit of Islam opposes everything that pertains to Jesus Christ.[/Quote]I wonder where Jesus entered this argument, while my above explanation is not enough? Was Jesus adopted? Who is the adoptive father? Who was the blood father, the husband of the mother as Aletheia is the husband of Mrs. Aletheia? I know you will run from this.



[Quote]Islam prohibits adoption because it rejects the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on the cross through the shedding of his Blood for the remission of our sins.[/Quote]? Are you okay, ogbeni oja? You are not making any sense.



[Quote]Praise be to Our Father in heaven who has adopted us into His family:[/Quote]Who is your mother, the wife of father for the adoption to stick?



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Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.[/QUote]The mumbo jumbo, again. Sudden conclusions without merit. WHere is the evidence for your statement? God is now a Nigerian?



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Definition of adoption: To take into one's family through legal means and raise as one's own child.[/QUote]Where is the need for changing of the family name, or selfishly making sure the blood line is severed? You must be a selfish human being. By the way I bear father;s islamic name. My siblings bear the yoruba name of our family tree. Both of us are correct, though we have different last names.

@Aletheia: Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
[Quote]Everything I said is from the Bible. Jesus said he was a powerless person, unable to do anything by his power. Thats powerless. In Yoruba land thats enu dun ro fo. Agada owo dun be ko. You are the one whose mind is in a fog. Otherwise you would have been able to say "wait a minute, he has no power of his own".

Show me where Jesus said He was powerless in the Bible. Like I pointed out to another earlier, He was fully in control.[/Quote]Swallow hard, aletheia. Just dont choke from your own juice. No one to perform CPR. Okay? John 5 verse 30; I can do nothing on my own. [/b]I judge as God tells me [Authority is from God]. Therefore, [because it is God that is in Authority, directing me, His servant] my judgment [as obedient servant of God] is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will



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Men do not in the normal course of things go willingly to die but contrast this! [b]Jesus was fully in control, He willingly lay down His life. . .and took it up again, demonstrating once and for all eternity that He is Lord of all, even death---the greatest enemy of Man:[/Quote]The willing guy in full control, all of a sudden yelled up, and aloud "My God,y God. . . . why has thou forsaken me"? The bold in this verse is a sign of disbelief. Blaming God. Satan did something similar. Considering that Jesus according to the Bible prayed all night at the Garden of Geshamine on this. Yet he goofed. He dropped the ball, while the little son of Abraham did his like a brave believer.



[Quote]John 10:17-18. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.[/Quote]I will ignore the rest because I may do overkill on it. The bold was rendered useless, if that was the case, by the yelling on the cross, before giving up the ghost.



[Quote]He lay down His life to atone for our sins: as God had clearly shown in the scriptures that "without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin."
^As you can see Jesus Christ conquered death and is alive today as even Islam acknowledges; where is Muhammed? Dead and grave-bound.
[/Quote]Where is his arrest of the "death"? Dont christians die, any more? Will no christians end up in lake of fire? Let me give you a hint; ' i never knew you', even as they tell him in heaven that they 'performed greater miracles in his name'.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
Roman is after Gospel. Jesus left the earth before the Acts. Roman was after acts. How could be part of this statement? I could just tell you am king of Cheyenne. How do you disproof it, except you know where Cheyenne is and you find out a not the king. Same thing applies to Jesus here. Gospel is where you said he preached from. Fro Gospel we know some truth in there. To give me Roman to argue for Jesus is like lying to me and thinking that I will accept it. Did Jesus preach anything in Roman?

This is rich, coming from you a Muslim whose book is without chronological rhyme,[/Quote]Read end of Baqarah and the beginning surah Imran. Read end of Surah Rahman and the beginning of Waqiah. Which Surah is off place? Lawyers are at awe of the great arguments in Quran. Poets are smitteed by its rhymed. If you listen, it is the most melodious sound you will ever heard. Birds will stop singing when they hear Quran. Sorry your heart is dead to reason, otherwise, you will just go and buy a complete tape, and play it in your garden and you will see birds listening. Quran is the classic arabic, except you will say the arabic language is inferior to yoruba, the language of a group who left Makka before Islam of Muhammad [as].



[Quote]and reason or context.[/Quote]The fiqh of Quran is a great scholarship. You dont know that Quran was completely reveaed in Heaven as part of Umm Kitab logged at Lautin Maffuth. Allah let the action that will bring the specific verse to occur on earth so that the answer comes as the problem arises.



[Quote]Tell me which of these suras in your qur'an was revealed earliest: 1, 2, 3, 4?[/Quote]The bold was, and Jibril came with 70,000 Angels to give Rasulullah (AS) this "Ummu Kitab, also known as the Seven often recited Chapter, also known as the Opening Chapter. It is a complete Prayer, Supplication, Request from God. The whole Quran from Baqarah and Naas "is" the answer. Its a guidance and road map for success. You will not know it because you anchor your hope on a "" servant.



[Quote]Isn't it true that none of this was the first?[/QUote]You are a doctor. Use your marble, not your elbow. You gave me surah 1 through 4 and the earliest among them I told you. Which Surah has the first revelation? It is Alaq. You dont know what Alaq means, do you? Creation. You and I are part of humanity, fro creation. Allah mentioned pen in there. Who was the first to use pen? I will tell you; Idris (AS) Enoch who was eleveated to 3rd heaven, while Isa bin Marya (AS) is with Yahya bin Zakariyya (AS) in 2nd heaven above first where our father Adam (AS) is.



[Quote]Muhammed did not write the hadiths,[/Quote]He is unlettered. You are correct. Please watch how InshaAllah, am going to make a mess of his plan, just right below.



[Quote]yet without the structure provided by them Islam would collapse, since there is very little in the qur'an to go on.[/Quote]You have no tangible knowledge at all by the bold which you penned. Surah 112 has the of 1/3 of the whole Quran. Read it. It is called Surah Iklas. It talks about Oneness of God, negating your ghost, father and son gods. It also kills all the Isms (Judaism, Hinduis, etc) by saying that God is Complete and Independent of being cornered as a tribal God which is the idea of jewish god; God of Abraha, Isaac and jacob they say and you you say it with them, forgetting He is the God of Adam, Eve, and all mankind and all creation[s]. Let me ask you, what hadith do you need to know that 1 is just that,1? There are good parts of the Quran that a clean heart will read and know right away without any hadith.

Let e give you an example; Quran says, how will God have a child when He does not have a consort [mate]? Another in Surah Maidah says oh people of the books, do not go into excess in your saying concerning your Lord, "Christians", dont say God is 1 of the 3. Desist from saying it. Rather, He is One your Lord, there is none but He.

Aletheia, where did I loose [shake you off] you? By the way, in every salah I read Chapter 112 3 times to get foot blessing of the whole Quran. This is Mercy that is unparallel. can your Bible offer the same value? Oh. You have to depend on the other guy, who depended on Allah.



[Quote]The whole Bible testifies of Jesus, so whether Ruth, Romans or Revelations: I will quote from anyway in it. No apologies for that.[/Quote]Show me Jesus without your usual cloudy inferences when Moses was dealing with Pharaoh. Am waiting, man.

@Aletheia: « #116 on: Today at 06:57:04 AM »
[Quote]Changed my mind because I have not yet discussed with you as Sweetnecta (though your writing style is suspiciously similar to nopuqeater's) and you don't know as much of islam as you think: yet want to disprove the Bible.

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
@Aletheia; « #113 on: Today at 08:02:03 PM »Prove it. Give us evidence fro OT and NT, and we must not be able to find any verse to disproof it.

Already done that here, here, here and here. Please make time to study the verses referenced not just skim over them looking for debating points.[/Quote]You are a time waster. here, here, here and here were nothing more than conjecture; Gospels according to, Corinthians, Romans, etc. Are these the words of God, or the words of Jesus His servant whom He sent? I hope some day you will wake up and realize how foolish your thinking "had" been,when you look back. These verses are similar to a man or men hardcover story of my life 100 years from now, saying that in 2010, i was the president of your current place of employment. I will not be here to say no, and you will not be here to say he wasnt the man writing the checks. It is even worse as a story line.


[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 10:00:06 PM
Healing the sick is now "Forgiveness of sin". Does this gel at all? Sin is not sickness, because Job was not a sinner and sinful pharaoh did not get sick. Finally, we dont see a sick Satan, or have you seen one, especially when he was bossing Jesus of the Bible around the places?

Read it again: in your haste to look for counter-arguments, you missed the part highlighted in red: Mark 2:10-12 "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins[b][/b], (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion."[/Quote]Aletheia, you are so slow. I asked, is sin equal to sickness? Is sickness equal to sin? What sin did the sick an commit that mere curing hi of illness translated to been forgiven of sin? Heck, you are a physician. You cure people of sicknesses. At least thats what your patients think. So did you forgive the of their sins, each tie you cure them of their sicknesses? A person who has frequent headaches must be sinning just as frequent. Think, doctor. This is a disappointment.

It took you that long to get it. You are slow, faa. No wonder you wrote Joonuu as Johanuu. Your ti ibile is poor, at best.

@Bi ilw wu: « #71 on: Today at 05:55:45 PM »
[Quote]John 3:16 For God so love the world that He gave His only begothen Son That whoever believe in Him should not perish but have everlastind life, It is appoited unto Man to die once ,after this is judgement.

In this world evrything you do, be it good or bad ,you will receive your reward,all army robbers, ritualist, despoiler, those who cheat ,in whatever one day you will face the judgement throne to give your account.
My prayer is that none of you will die b4 you realise the truth, which is bible ,the word of God.[/Quote]The bold, above has no basis. You know it and I know it. Look at the guy on the post; the hair is matted from blood. The folks at abu ghraib prison suffered more than that.

@real4Jesus: « #59 on: Today at 03:26:01 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 03:11:31 PM
Only a bad father will hang around to see his son get killed so that those who are not his son get to live well and be happy.

God of the Christians must have hated His son to have allowed his death for those who are not as dear to Him as the son.

Sorry. I think He loved the lesser people than His own Only begotten son.

In a "NUT"(Crazy)shell, He is not a good Father. Or the son is not a good son. Definitely a fake.

Who is the wife and will stand around doing nothing with the husband about this? Maybe the relationship is sour, or it was all a lie.
RIDICULOUS!BLASPHEMY! DO NOT BE USED AS AN AGENT OF DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS COS AFTER THE DEATH OF YOUR BODY THERE IS THE SECOND DEATH OF THE SOUL/SPIRIT.THIS LATTER DEATH U SHOULD FEAR MOST COST THAT IS THE DEATH CHRIST CAME TO RESCUE US FROM,NOT FROM THE FIRST DEATH OF THE BODY,[/Quote]Ridiculous and blasphemy are when you said God the Sole Creator has a child, a begotten son, and unable to steward His creations. The one who is under the influence of Satan as an accomplice is the one who says God is incomplete and unable to act, without a human being who said he was powerless, and servant sent. Souls dont die. They get punished with the body after recreation, when the disbelievers in Oneness and Complete God are cast in the Pit of hell.

The souls that believed in Oneness and Complete God and therefore obedient in that regard and work righteousness, shall by His Mercy be ransomed and become residents of Paradise.

Is saboor a surah or kitab?

toba is delusional.

egba never have produced a deadlier criminal than obasanjo.

the man they said slept with the wife of his son is a good christian. he reminds me of toba who is willing to share his fiancee.

Only a bad father will hang around to see his son get killed so that those who are not his son get to live well and be happy.

God of the Christians must have hated His son to have allowed his death for those who are not as dear to Him as the son.

Sorry. I think He loved the lesser people than His own Only begotten son.

In a "NUT"(Crazy)shell, He is not a good Father. Or the son is not a good son. Definitely a fake.

Who is the wife and will stand around doing nothing with the husband about this? Maybe the relationship is sour, or it was all a lie.

@To the christians; I was just going to respond to Sexxxxy about what she thought was so profound about Daylae's fable. Then I ran into the Revelation and John 3;16 guys (Exponentials and JustRadical).

Sexxxxy and Daylae; Who told you that death is the result of sin, or sin causes death? The holiest man in recent history; Catholic will call them "Holy Fathers", they are all dead.

Other christian denominations, including straight laced Protestants; their holiest people died.

Father Abraham, the father of Faith[s] is dead, long time.

Moses of the Jews is dead.

Muhammad (AS) for us Muslims is dead, too.

Jesus son of Mary, your god is not here, anymore, because God raised him up to himself, away from those who were truly after his life. Based on the suffering that he experience before he was raised up, you have made him god, and even son of God, when you will never admit that Mary his mother had sex with God. The same God had created Adam from dirt. Then created Eve from the rib of Adam. Both of these two "FIRST" male and female came to existence fully matured.  

You think God needs to kill a reluctant soul so that we dont have to die? Have you seen anyone remained on earth from among those who believe this idea? If not, then what kind of death is God preventing us from experiencing by killing His "only begotten son", which came about with a ghost over shadowing and coming upon a virgin girl? Please give us proof and not just opinion that there is no sex, but a true God's baby came out, and he is a sin cleanser for us. Give us statement from Jesus, not from somebody else. If he was for all mankind, then those noble souls listed above who died before his birth and his alleged death are in situation of no mercy with God, is what you are saying. If they are not in any hardship with God, then your idea about Jesus being a preventer of punishment or cleanser from sin falls flat on its face.

God Who created mankind all by Himself does not need helper to forgive or not punish man, the reason He sent warners and road map to mankind, from Adam till the last of the warners (Messengers and Prophets (AS)). How is it that God had to change His way when it comes to Jesus and mankind from the time of the birth of Jesus onward? Is that not unfairness to those who died before the ministry of Jesus? Is therefore Christian God, nt the Author of confusion and unfairness, if this is the case?

As to Revelation and John verses, above, Jesus as anything more special than Moses, for example is not proven by either. To be son of God, if sex took place is a mere glorification. To be begotten son means sired. To be the only begotten son means the only time siring process happened. Please tell us Mary is the wife, since she was the mother. I will therefore shut my mouth, if you can say it.

Please give us evidence, not just flat statement as if we are all light in our thinking.

why can Bakare drop the Islamic name, since he left Islam? He should pick up a christian name because thats his religion.

I dislike seeing Keferi bearing Muslim name, especially the africans who left Islam. You his people should tell him that there is a muslim who hates seeing him clinging to Islam, still.

Abu Bakr, is Bakare. Thats purely Islamic name.

He likes arabic name, let him pick up Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, Fir'awn, Iblis, Shaitan. Munafiq, Mushrik.

^^^^^Your bold. Almuhandis is a corruption. That means Almuhandis is not a trustworthy person. he is a filth. he is first class con. he is the father of Ode.

Almuhandis is a male. This means with all his shady qualities above, he is actually a male human. Can we anyone ask if he is not a human being with all of the less than human qualities he carries in his heart? It will be a bad question, since he is not a woman and we know he is not an animal.

We can therefore use Almuhandis to defend the existence of mankind on earth, since some human quality (gender and physiology) are common in humanity.

This is similar to why we can go to the Bible, because there are still small amount of gari in the overwhelming huge amount of water in the bowl, with the sand that settles in the bottom.

The above Jesus is so confused he is doing double posting. He writes Allah with lower case letters. He is insinuating by his wikiadvise to me that my Messenger (AS) is more beloved to me that me is not a prophet. Messenger is higher than a prophet (AS). Every Messenger is also a Prophet. Not every Prophet is a Messenger.


@Almuhandis: « #60 on: Today at 12:34:07 AM »
[Quote] Grin As usal evasive mode. If the tamils started suicide bombing, is that why it found its way in to the QURAN?[/QUote]Show me the Bold in the Quran. If you cant, you are the biggest joke on the surface of earth, right now.


[Quote]jESUS LIVED peace and gave clear instructions on how to live.So, even if a xtian-as you claim kills a soul,is such a soul obeyin christ?[/Quote]Yes to the bold, because why would a leader tell his followers to sell all their belongs and use the gain to buy SWORDS? Why would he say that he brought no peace but war, no unity but division, etc?


[Quote]Mohammed lived the oposite-did terrible things, instructed his followers,including you etal.if one of you refuses or claims not to do Jihad[/Quote]I am doing Jihad on you right now. Challenging you because it is dangerous to allow a tyranny in your heart to take hold of innocent mind. You are a Pharaoh in today's standard. A follower of Satan you are. Muhammad (AS) forgave the people of Makka. All of them. He forgave the people of Taif. He forgave the Jew who poisoned him. Can anyone be that generous? This is better and more noble than if Jesus were to have forgiven Judas iscariot, his followers who acted exactly as jesus had wished. Read your Bible because you sound ignorance of reality. The Jewish lady forgiven by Muhammad was not a muslim, hence not a follower, but a deadly enemy. Yet Muhammad forgave her. While others talk and not do it, Muhammad actually do it. Those whose talks aredifferent from what they do are hypocrites.


[Quote]by killing,does such a decision nulifies the instructions from the Quran?[/Quote]Moses killed the enemies of Yahweh. Does the killing nullify the Bible, or this is the time you separate the Bible, recognized the torah part to be the one nullified? You are a first rate hypocrite.


[Quote]Boy i hear you are now three in one? is it true?[/Quote]If it is I am better than your human god, because am here and now in New York. How I wish am in Lagos. Or Ibadan. Or Abeokuta. And still remain in NYC. SUddenly am 4 in 1, clearly better. You see how I rubbish your Mushrik mindset? And just imagine all the names I have, if that was 1 for each name/ Then its Xtimes in 1,where X is more than 3!


[Quote]such will erode my remaining respect for you oooooo Grin[/Quote]I dont understand your slang ooooooooooo. maybe its christianity you are speaking. Am muslim oooooooooooooo.

^^^^^^^^?

Whispering. Whats that guy immediately above talking about, because he sounds pretty mad? He curses like a drunken sailor.

^^^^^^And if i say something bad to you, you will be upset, angry. But if I say something bad about your God or your beloved prophet, you dont get angry. Let me know who you love more, you or the God and His prophet?

For me I love Muhammad (AS) love more than myself. When I am in prayer, I imagine him at the play he prostrated his face to Allah in the Night journey to heaven. I imagine him alone, in sujjud praising Allah. And what separates him from the Arsh is the flood of Light which he said he has no idea how deep it is. That was a honest man, a prophet, a beloved of Allah, of His Angels and believers.

Imagine his dialogue with Allah, asking Him about his position to each of these; Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Musa, Isa bin Maryam [AS to each]. And Allah told him he was higher in darajjat (level).

He got Salah from there. His greeting with Allah is Tashahuud.

Dont fight for your God. Moses (AS) fought for his. I at least for the Pleasure of God, argue with my mouth and might against disbelief.

@Aletheia; « #113 on: Today at 08:02:03 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 05:27:12 PM
@Aletheia: « #67 on: October 19, 2010, 10:56 PM »I wonder if Aletheia saw the questioning mind of the still disbeliever Kola Oloye about what God was proofing by allowing Jews to kill Him? I now add, What will God be proofing by taking a son or child for Himself? What will God be proofing by allowing His prophet to be killed for sins, when He has always been the Only One Who forgives? He was the Only Forgiver for Adam and Eve. Even the Christian's Lord's Prayer says "Forgive us our sins". Not Jesus to forgive, because he has no power to forgive. He said of himself, he can do nothing.
^^Most assuredly you jump in with little understanding of the matter in hand. . .I presume you are a Muslim for it appears that what got your goat was my allusion to the Islamic mindset and worldview. God wasn't proving anything. He was working out His divine plan: that through Jesus Christ, men will be reconciled to Him.[/Quote]Prove it. Give us evidence fro OT and NT, and we must not be able to find any verse to disproof it.



[Quote]J[b]esus has authority to forgive sins[/b]. . .Mark 2:10-12 "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion."[/Quote]Healing the sick is now "Forgiveness of sin". Does this gel at all? Sin is not sickness, because Job was not a sinner and sinful pharaoh did not get sick. Finally, we dont see a sick Satan, or have you seen one, especially when he was bossing Jesus of the Bible around the places?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 05:27:12 PM
Apart from the fact that the above is nothing fro the mouth of Jesus, how is a powerless entity suddenly the creator or through him things were created? Please explain the liar to me; Jesus or the author of the above Biblical verse?
The dichotomy only exists in your mind: it is not either Jesus lied or the Bible lied, but rather both Jesus and the Bible are true. . .John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."[/Quote]Everything I said is from the Bible. Jesus said he was a powerless person, unable to do anything by his power. Thats powerless. In Yoruba land thats enu dun ro fo. Agada owo dun be ko. You are the one whose mind is in a fog. Otherwise you would have been able to say "wait a minute, he has no power of his own".



[Quote]Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.[/Quote]Roman is after Gospel. Jesus left the earth before the Acts. Roman was after acts. How could be part of this statement? I could just tell you am king of Cheyenne. How do you disproof it, except you know where Cheyenne is and you find out a not the king. Same thing applies to Jesus here. Gospel is where you said he preached from. Fro Gospel we know some truth in there. To give me Roman to argue for Jesus is like lying to me and thinking that I will accept it. Did Jesus preach anything in Roman?



[Quote]The scriptures do testify and bear witness that Jesus is the Son of God. If you do not believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord and confess that Jesus is Saviour then you will perish in your sins and go to Hell.[/Quote]Irekerindo of Fagunwa [its been a long time I read yoruba literature], testifies that Oke Lamgbodo exist in Yoruba Land. You think my similitude is bad? Your statement about a testimony of the scripture is worse.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 05:27:12 PM
can you reconcile the bold with the lie that follows it? WHo is God's wife, anyway? You cant have a baby without a wife unless you are an adulterer. True God has no purpose for offspring. There is nothing that is not created by the Sole Creator. Talk to me, Aletheia.



^^As a carnal man you think, and as a carnal man you ask,. . .[/QUote]And you have never had sex? I hope at your age you are married. All that success will go to waste.



[Quote]"how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."1 But "God is not a man, that he should lie;[/Quote]The man named Jesus was not God.



[Quote]neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it?[/Quote]God regretted, making man. Check your Bible.



[Quote]or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?[/QUote]Jesus said he will return while the disciples were still alive. He didnt. He said the another comforter will speak only what he heard from God. You people made a Ghost out of the Another Comforter. SO tell tell me, how did Ghost speak to man who can only hear audible things/sounds? What did the ghost say to the disciples as in corrdction of them, since they needed correction because they have gotten what jesus taught wrong?



[Quote]"2 And He says to you "my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD."[/Quote]How does this explain anything?



[Quote]3 You do not understand the Mystery of the Incarnation because you are in darkness. . ."the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."[/Quote]Since youunderstand the "MYSETRY" of Incarnation,give it to me in simple human so that human mind can grab it knowledge. {helo folks, this man is going to go around in circle and returns with zero information. Watch him goof around}.



[Quote] 4 If men are declared to be sons of God by God Himself: "[w]hich were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."5; how much more the only Begotten Son.[/Quote]Begotten. Sired. Means mount and actually have sexual intercourse. This is God or man? My God created Adam from dirt.He changed dirt to flesh, blood, bones, skin, etc. From a mere Rib of Adam, He made Eve. Completely matured woman. And you find it difficult that He can make a man from his mother's womb without a male sperm, unless He must be his Father? My statement has no mystery to it, while yours is wrapped in it.



[Quote]Your problem as all those of Islamic persuasion is a false understanding of the nature of God and Man, for you can only conceive of son-ship in biological terms and no wonder adoption is prohibited in Islam.[/QUote]Adoption is not prohibited in Islam. What is prohibited is taking up adoptive name and completely severing blood ties with real blood in the vein. My wife and I are working on adopting a female child from Nigeria. Your prejudices will never let you smell the great fragrance of True Belief. Is there anyway to become a true father and mother than legal sexual relationship? I hope you are not one of those who donate his sperm for would be single ladies? How is God a father of any of His creations? Please explain. Explain how the servant of God is now God or His son? You know better than Jesus, the Messenger?



[Quote]1 Matthew 12:34
2 Numbers 23:19
3 Isaiah 55:8
4 John 1:5
5 John 1:13[/Quote]Let me amuse you for a change. Some few years ago, my cousin who is a Christian was praying. I heard her say "Jewo agbara e". I begin to ask myself if she knew what she was talking about? Confess your Power? She was actually saying that to God? I knew she was completely lost. I am now working on bringing her back to her senses. Maybe the above is also for you; bringing you to your senses.

^^^^^^you mean Sweetnecta. I shall be waiting for your return. take all the time you need. After all the family needs all the manifestations that is you; each one represents each name you have.

Multiple personality, you aint.

@thiscounts: « #114 on: October 18, 2010, 03:17 PM »
[Quote]Tonye-t, you have with utmost disrespect to Islam and his teachings demonstrated the high level of insensitiveness on your path to what requires of the society to live in social integration and harmony, satirizing other people’s value and beliefs has never been supported or tolerated by any religions of the world.
Having gone through your post, I realized that Devil would surely be grateful to you being his advocate to refute all the allegations made about him by prophet Muhammad[saw].And may he reward you abundantly with all he has in reserve for his knights. You are a Devil Advocate I see.[/Quote]My dearest brother Thiscounts, Thanks for the dua you made for Tonye-T. If Tonye-T accepts it for himself, may the One Who id the Acceptor of Dua accepts it for him Amin.

@Tonye-T: We in Islam are generous. We give you options to accept or reject dua from us, to God on you, since you have allied with Satan, against Muhammad (AS), the beloved of Jesus son of Mary (AS).

But we know that you wrote, and could not tell us a single reason you felt any of them is superstition. We also understood that jesus of the Bible, your God was carried to the cliff, by Satan. How did he carry him; Physically picking him up like a bridegroom will pick up a bride to cross the threshold, or was it spiritual carrying? Either way, it buttresses the statement of Muhammad (AS) about the trickery of Satan. If you deny that neither case was what happened to jesus, then go to your Bible and argue it, corrupted or not.

@Aletheia: « #67 on: October 19, 2010, 10:56 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: kola oloye on October 19, 2010, 01:36 PM
You should also be able to tell me what God was trying to prove and to who by allowing himself
to be killed by what he created? God crying on the cross to himself for his own mercy?
Common use your head.

The highlighted above is where your problem lies: you left Islam but unfortunately some of the thought patterns and worldview of Islam still cling to you. If I removed Kola Oloye and substituted nopuqeater in the above quote; we wouldn't be able to tell the difference. My prayer is that the glorious light of the gospel of Jesus will remove these remaining cobwebs.[/Quote]I wonder if Aletheia saw the questioning mind of the still disbeliever Kola Oloye about what God was proofing by allowing Jews to kill Him? I now add, What will God be proofing by taking a son or child for Himself? What will God be proofing by allowing His prophet to be killed for sins, when He has always been the Only One Who forgives? He was the Only Forgiver for Adam and Eve. Even the Christian's Lord's Prayer says "Forgive us our sins". Not Jesus to forgive, because he has no power to forgive. He said of himself, he can do nothing.



[Quote]Again understand this: Jesus is the exact representation, the express image of the Invisible God:

Col 1:15-19. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;[/Quote]Apart from the fact that the above is nothing fro the mouth of Jesus, how is a powerless entity suddenly the creator or through him things were created? Please explain the liar to me; Jesus or the author of the above Biblical verse?



[Quote]John 1:18. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.[/Quote]can you reconcile the bold with the lie that follows it? WHo is God's wife, anyway? You cant have a baby without a wife unless you are an adulterer. True God has no purpose for offspring. There is nothing that is not created by the Sole Creator. Talk to me, Aletheia.



[Quote]John 14:8-9. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?[/Quote]Are you saying that jesus was the father that Philip wanted to see? Then will the two verses above not be destroyed if this was true? Finally does it occur to all of you that Jesus was saying to the if you have the messenger in front of you , is that not enough as if you are seeing the Sender, since the Sender is not seen at anytime? I do recall that the Biblical verses were written after Jesus was ascended. Al the Jews called themselves, God, children of God, erroneously.



[Quote]Hebrews 1:3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;[/Quote]Is this not just coming from a zealot? Where is a single proof from the lips of Jesus? The one who is powerless to do anything.



[Quote]Now notice how Jesus is described in exactly the same terms as God.[/Quote]Were the above not descriptions by people, or whats your proof that each was from the lips of Jesus? Then stack them against "Your servant Jesus, who You sent". WHich one is the lie? talk to me Aletheia.



[Quote]1. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:[/Quote]Jesus said "Of my own power, I can do nothing". Now stack that against, "For by him were all things created". Which one is from a liar, Aletheia?



[Quote]Genesis 1:1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Hebrews 11:3. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.[/Quote]Please reconcile the two, with what kind of faith. You will never find an agreement, because jesus said "I can do nothing", "Jesus the servant, sent". Where are the thinking caps? Please wear them.



[Quote]John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/Quote] Where is this verse in the jewish Torah? Genesis is opposing this; which is the lie?

[Quote]2. all things were created by him, and for him:
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.[/Quote]"Of my own power, I can do nothing". Now which part is from a liar? The two are 180 degrees from each other. Aletheia, talk.



[Quote]This is a critical matter and goes to the heart of what it means to confess Jesus Christ.

1 John 4:2-3. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.[/Quote]This is the worst argument you can ever have. Suppose a person makes this silly statement above, without a single evidence, you should not accept it. Lets take for a moment, we take out the name of jesus and insert dalil lama. There will not be a difference, because neither has any evidence to support such a claim. The God that cant be seen by anyone, at no time, all of a sudden becomes a fig eating, water drinking, cloth wearing, sleep catching, weary experiencing, hiding fro people, people torturing, and finally killed of by hanging God! Ridiculous.



[Quote]^^
Lay aside your preconceived notions and let the scriptures speak! What does this phrase: Jesus Christ is come in the flesh mean? What does it imply? Here is what the scriptures say:[/Quote]Soe lackie who cant take responsibility for himself wrote the bold.



[Quote]John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
But we know from verse 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/Quote]Though it is not in the Torah of your asters, the jew. maybe you should read their Genesis to see if John verse 1 is not fro the pen of a liar. Try it for yourself.



[QUote]So when we confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: we confess that God became flesh. This is the point on which Islam and Judaism and other false religions stumble. They all acknowledge Jesus as a Teacher, a Prophet, a Good Man but Jesus as God. . .somehow sticks in their craw because of the spirit of antichrist in them.[/QUote]And jews are the holder of christians' salvation. What a false religion they are. When jesus said he is a servant sent, maybe he lied. But why? Why would a "God" lies? I am wondering if it is not christianity that is the chief of the false religions? Please help me understand why Jesus said he is a servant and you said he is God? Why did he say he was powerless and you say he is the creator? was he hiding himself from everyone, then, afraid soebody will harm him, a God? Tell me whats going on.



[Quote]Indeed it is a mystery (something hidden) which God Himself has revealed and faith means believing what God has revealed not trying to rationalize it from a human perspective. But this mystery is declared in emphatic terms in the Bible.[/Quote]Mystery revealed. Revealed to whom? If jesus said he was a servant and powerless, was that not God enough, rather than the baseless irrational assumptions and ideas for your bad health? Here was a place were you failed the other day; The Quran says that the fluid that produces man comes from the region between the ribs and the backbone of the body. You almost had a feat laughing. After it was all said and done, you had to agree, except you stated that the Quran was referring to adults. When in that verse there was no age given and we know that male and females, if alive we grow to maturity. And in marriage the children of yesterday are the adults in marriages, today.

Now, show us how Mystery and revelation disagree with each other that we now have more unknowns, after all the revelations have been around for over 2000 years? You dont even believe it, except that it is the only card in your life. I now invite you to a revelation that destroys any and all mysteries. What you need to know to be responsible for yourself, from cradle to grave is in Quran, Sunnah/hadith.



[Quote]The Old Testament foreshadows it:
Hebrews 1:8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.[/Quote]tell me who Jesus fits into any of this? Use son and tell me the mother of the child and the wife of the father. Use Governance and tell me where he rule from. Use his name, wonderful and or counselor and tell me why he promised "Another Counselor". Use God and tell me how is the Servant of God. Use Everlasting father when he has no child. Use prince of peace when he actually asked people to buy sword after selling their properties. Major Nidal of US armed forces sold or gave away everything he had, according to the report we had, and kept his weapon of choice. We know the rest as he killed people when he had the opportunity. He is now wheel chair bound. He was going to fight to the finish. I applied the same to Jesus and his sword wielding disciple. Except that they became cowards as they saw the mob approaching. I dont blame them. I will be cowards too, if my leader is.



[Quote]Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (BTW: compare Ps 90:2. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.)[/QUote]Where is Jesus in any of this? Tell us Aletheia. You cant because it aint there. Show us with sense of clarity, if you can. I dare you.



[QUote]The New Testament proclaims it:
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.[/Quote]Is there a proof? Obviously not.



[Quote]May our Father in heaven grant you grace as you meditate on these.[/Quote]I hope your parent dont find out you are passing yourself up as another entity's child.

@Seyibrown: « #18 on: Today at 01:02:49 PM »
[Quote]Post # 11 is already on our thread. I copied it from our thread to this thread. You answered post #11 with post #12 and I asked you to copy the answer to our 'Seyi and nopuqeater' thread to save you having to answer twice. I also did not want to divert your thread but to provide bible scriptures that show your disprove your false doctrine of 'Mohammed, the another comforter'[/Quote]I have no "doctrine" In the Quran there are many verses that tell us that among prophets and messengers of God, there were Jesus and Muhammad (AS), among the many human messengers sent. One of the verses stated to all messengers and rophets that if the "Rasul of God" arrives in the time any is on earth, and he learnt about the presence of the Rasul, he must go to him and offer help and aid in the mission of the Rasul." They all took an oath to that effect. This was still in heaven, in the spiritual realm. You remembered that I said I was in heaven and existed before Noah, hence before Ibrahim was born, just like jesus?

That will tell you that I was not lying, and neither was jesus. You can read Surah Imran to find this out about all the Messengers and Prophets. Further in Surah Saffa, verse 6, Jesus told us about his mission; Preservation of Musa's Torah and the speaking about of the coming "Rasul", whose name is "Ahmad". If you say that John heralded the coming of Jesus, same Jesus heralded the coming of Muhammad (AS). The Bible says he is Another Comforter, speaking, hearing from God and repeating it, exactly. Correcting, directing and leading to all truth. Jesus to his people corrected them to the Torah, reminding them to it, leading them all to it. But after jesus left, it took almost 600 years, and the deviation was already established, before the Big Daddy of all who corrected came, Muhammad (AS).



[Quote]that you have been spreading all over Nairaland. Jesus clearly stated who the 'comforter' was. It is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]NL is just a forum. My audience is the whole world. And I am not alone in this. NL is not the only forum for this. The whole world is.Looking at what the Comforter must do, how did the Holy Spirit qualified? Just one thing, at the appropriate time will be enough. The Another Comforter, not just Comforter must be like the other former comforters or former Comforter. His venue was specific, according to the Bible; Talking to the Disciples who were the companions of Jesus, if both conditions were to be believed. He was to hear from God and simply repeat it to people. Lets ask the Question of the Holy Spirit is not God from Trinity? How can One True God be commanding another One True God? Maybe the Ghost is not God in this case, which kills trinity. But how will ghost talk to human beings, since what he hears he will speak out? SO what did he say to the disciples, as God told him?

He will now teach what Jesus didnt teach. What did the Ghost teach the disciples?
He will correct them. What is it that the Ghost Corrected on and why?
He will glorify Jesus. What was it and how did he glorify Jesus, considering that he himself is a God?
He will lead them to all things. Which thing did he lead them from to all things? How did he tell you to prepare a dead body for burial?



[Quote]Given that Mohammed's life and teachings are far from holy,[/Quote]I call him holy prophet Muhammad (AS). Many Nigerian men, including many you know in Christendom, if left with a naked woman in the bedroom, without anyone to calibrate his piousness, he will mount her right away. I would have jump at such an opportunity myself, except that Islam of Muhammad told me its evil, it filth. If Muhammad was not holy, this Nigerian man would have done more than the window cleaner movie's Timmy Lee in the Confession of the window cleaner. Its a british movie and you should check my reference, since you live in England.



[Quote] he is not the comforter.[/Quote]Who heard God and repeated ONLY what he heard, and not adding his own thoughts? Tell me this person and show me how you know, why you said he is and where is the book of records of what he heard? Lead me, Olwaseyibrown.



[Quote]He did not preached something other than Jesus preached.[/Quote]He preached all the truth that Jesus preached. He corrected all the lies that you said Jesus preached. He preached more things that are not in the Bible. He taught all, including simple thing as how to cough without being uncivil, uncouth in the company of people. What did the Ghost teach the disciples as they passed it on to you about dressing yourself?



[Quote] holy person indulges in sin assemblies[/Quote]How about Solomon the wise?



[Quote]pedophilia[/Quote]Do pedophile marry their victims? Are the wives of pedophiles their victims? Do pedophiles stop at just One? Seyi, when you accuse, bring up your proof. If not, you are not honest about your statement.



[Quote] or encourages men who cause a young girl to have VVF[/Quote]If this is the case, every muslim will be doing it. No? And a woman who is not married to me is safe from my sexual energy. I hope all christian men can say the same. here in America, rapes of almost every ages occur. Who are the rapes for the most part? Christian men.



[Quote] not to count her as one of their 4 wives.[/Quote]No every muslim man marries 4 wives. I am not married to 4 wives. This simply destoys your notion.



[Quote] The comforter who abides with us still is God's Spirit - The Holy Spirit.[/Quote]You are not a disciple. And at best you have to show me a record from them what the Hoy Spirit told them before you can benefit from it. Further, how can one God send another as errand entity? Jesus said he was a servant sent, hence the another comforter must be servant sent. Please disproof.

[Quote]The comforter reminds Jesus' followers of what he taught.[/Quote]
What did he teach that his disciples forgot so quickly that they have to be reminded by a The Comforter who you call a spirit, which no one can hear exactly what he is saying to everyone at the same time or see give the correction? One single thing will make me say you won this argument. One lousy thing that the ghost told everyone "look you are wrong here, this is the correct thing, as Jesus told you". Tell me what the Ghost said about how long to nurse your new born, exactly what Jesus said and the disciple forgot, and the ghost had to remind them, all over again? They passed it on to you. Didnt they? Where can I read it?




[Quote]For example, Jesus taught in Luke 16:18 that "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery,[/Quote]This is what the ghost reminded the disciples? Show me where they noted the reminder of the Ghost, since the above was what Jesus taught and they apostle didnt forget at so soon. If the ghost was truly a God from trinity where are his sayings, since we read from the Bible what you said Yahweh said. Now what did the Ghost tell the disciples, and how did he correct them? What did he correct them on? How did lead them to all truth, things, from what lies? Where is the book or where are the books?

If both of you are unhappy in the marriage, is it by force that you stay with each other? This is evil, just like those amnog the muslims who force themselves on an unwilling spouse. Your Christian religion is not progressive at all. Imagine if a newly wed cant stand each orther? The man beating the woman and wants to kill her. Almost each time. is it proper that she stays in such a marriage? What about a man who cant keep his pants zipped up? A person that could easily bring deadly disease into the relationship? should she stay in such a relationship? You live in England, Seyibrown. To have this type of belief is regressive for a woman. marriage is a contract, and sometimes it is unworkable. It has not mutual benefit to force it, so dissolve it. Thats reality.




[Quote][and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery"[/Quote]. Women are to be blamed, always. And they say it equality.
A woman is 25. She is divorced. So this is death to her marital live? The man is 27, he is divorced. The same fate for both in Christianity. The religion of progress. Its more like regressive. And whats shameful in all of these is that you are a married woman. What happened those women who are in your age bracket, divorced and willing to give it a try, again? Now the best that can happen is that they become somebody's girlfriend. Since they cant marry. Thats a sick notion from a sick religion.




[Quote]The Holy Spirit - the comforter and cousellor- reminds us of this and explains the teaching.[/Quote]How did ghost explain to disciples?
Seyibrown, you must be thinking am a little boy that will not read what you are writing. If jesus said it and was not forgotten, how were the discipes reminded, since they never forgot in the first place? What you are reminded of, corrected on and taught to all things, are the things Jesus never spoke about or the people forgot, began to say the wrong things or never were the listeners to Jesus in the first place. 40 days was just too soon for a correction, for a new teacher to guide anew.




[Quote]The person who comes and teaches that you should divorce one of your four wives before you marry another is definitely saying something entirely different from what Jesus said and he therefore can not be 'the comforter'.[/Quote]The population of women to men is 60/40?
If jesus said what you said he said, the correction is absolutely in order, because that is a sure recipe for plenty prostitution and childless and unmarried group of people still in the productive state of their lives, who are single because of previous marriages. This argument of yours dies of its own lack luster merit. If this is a forgiving religion, it lacks mercy in every aspect of it.

Quote
Mohammed did not teach along the lines of what Jesus taught.[quote][/Quote]Considering that what you called Jesus teaching is a mere admixture of truth from Jesus, lies on Jesus and personal opinions and wishes and agenda of the Biblical writers. Paul's personal opinon is a litmus to that.
Remember we are talking about the one to correct, guide and teach accurately to all things.



[Quote]Jesus practiced what he preached and I bet Mohammed did too.[/Quote]Only if we had what Jesus truly preached and taught in the Bible!
Who is the Another comforter to teach, to guide and to correct? Obviously, not Jesus, because he was the former comforter talking about the another comforter to come in the future. We will then have to assume that if this another comforter is to do all of these qualitative descriptions as Jesus outlined them, then he and Jesus have to be on the same path, same idea, except that he will be more comprehensive than Jesus because his is all about all. Then those that he will be teaching, correcting and guiding must be wrong or ignorant and naive in each of these categories. If the disciples of Jesus were ignorant and naive of what Jesus preached and taught and didnt know Jesus enough that another comforter (A ghost in your case) have to come so soon, then Jesus was a lousy teacher and no wonder he deserved those dead brains. But wait; what did the ghost teach these dunces and how that they were able to get what Jesus taught and preached for 3 years, and the new information that they just got, retaining everything 100% so that they can pass it on to you?

remember that all they had with the non audible ghost was a mere part of a day. let me see what the ghost taught in that one day; containing 3 years of Jesus work, and more information. I got to compare it with what Jesus initially taught (i said initially just to trip seyi, because if Jesus was recorded in the Gospel, as they have it now, it is either a later made up, or it was recorded before. But we cant know which way it is until we cross reference it with the Another Comforter's record of that day. So seyi lets have that record of the Ghost, please). If you dont have it, then it wasnt the ghost that is Another Comforter. God will not send a ghost to man. God only send man to mankind.

Now go to the Quran. You find what Jesus said that are true. You will find lies of mankind on Jesus as well as correction away from the lies. You will find accurate glorification of Jesus which actually includes his mother Mary. You will find more complex information that jesus did not prvide. You will find true guidance. You will find "leading to all Truth, things, away from each and every lie".




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We know Jesus lived a godly life. He did not murder, plunder, despoil, raid or revel in sexual immorality or encourage any of these things.[/Quote]
You are almost completely naive in your speech. Lets observe why would a professor correct students who had just received a lecture on a particular matter from an earlier professor, except the students are already in error, after the lecture? Give me any reason that a student making 100% and above will need any correction? Moses who spoke to God, face to face, murdered, plundered, despoiled, raided, and Solomon the wise reveled in sexuality; assembled for himself, alone 1000 women, which 300 of them were mere girlfriends/concubines. The same King Solomon his songs are well noted in the Bible. The Jews and you people want his temple built, in the exact place where Masjid Aqsa is now. Is Solomon going to hell? Is Solomon a bad prophet, considering his wisdom is unmatched by the human god you created?

And by the way, I am married. And before my married I abstained from sex outside marriage. Why? For a Nigerian man who can talk up a storm? Islam held me back from such a lewd act. Go to the romance section and read how christian men are sharing "girls" they call them. You people are 100% unadulterated hypocrites.

[Quote]A Counseller will comfort (give you support,) guide, teach and correct any wrong notions you may have. As you can see from the verse I quoted, Jesus did actually refer to the Holy Spirit as the Counsellor. Mohammed is not the Comforter Jesus promised would come. Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus expressly stated who the Counsellor was - the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]
Dont be too hasty. look at the bold. It says; guide (you guide those who are lost. not those who are on the right path, already), teach (you teach the ignorants, not the Ph. D. holders), correct (you correct those who are wrong, not those who are right). Were the followers of jesus already fell into the lost and they needed to be guided back, fell into ignorance that they need teaching all over, fell into wrong ideas that they must be correct, each all within a matter of less than 2 months, after Jesus left?

If this is the case jesus must have been a terrible teacher, who shepherd a bunch of misfits with nothing in their head and zero faith in their hearts. They say you deserve a leader you get and the followers who you lead. After all of these, tell me, what did the Ghost (spirit) correct the disciples you said received him (not you unless you were at the so called penticost), on, taught you about, guided you from and then to? I want to see the textbook where you get your references of what the Holy spirit taught and how it guides. I need a name and just saying he talks to your heart is not in the description of what jesus said about the Spirit that will come from God to guide and abide for ever. Quran and Hadith and Sunnah guide, teach, correct and hence Muhammad (AS) abides forever.




[Quote]You say Mohammed glorifies Jesus? Why do Mohammed's followers hate Jesus then?[/QUote]
The Jesus sent by God is revered by every muslim. Not your idol that you attached Jesus name to. prophet Jesus son of Mary (AS), will never say to a person "worship me along with God". If anyone had tried to worship him, he would have stopped that person. Did he not say to a person who erely called him good master, "Why call me good". . .?




[Quote]Do you really know what it means to glorify someone? Why 'glorify' Jesus in a book and persecute others who glorify him with their lives? I don't get it![/Quote]
You dont glorify Jesus, Seyibrown. You glorify satan who has excited you to create from the name of Jesus, an idol that you worship. Jesus said he is a servant/slave. You said he is God. You see nothing wrong, here? I see plenty. This is worse that somebody calling you a single lady when you are obviously a married woman. If Jesus were here to hear you merely say anything in his name, i have no doubt that he would have said "why ask anything in my name, when you can talk to God directly in Islam"?

[Quote]John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.[/Quote]
Teach you all things. What did the Ghost teach you how to make your husband happy? What did he teach you how to be a mother and or a wife? How about your duty to your parents? How about when you wake up? or when you leave your house, or return to it? Muhammad (AS) taught me in each of these places. How to keep my family together and how to make madame happy.




[Quote]John 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.[/Quote]
What can a non talking ghost say that human beings will hear? Seyibrown, you are listening to your heart; morality or Shaitan is talking. Jesus said the Another Comforter will testify about him. How and why? when he simply just left the companions? Unless they are dotards, it is unnecessary that another testimony is needed, that soon. Did they forget so soon what the greatest teacher from the Jews just taught, so much so that Another Teacher (Another Comforter) [you call it a ghost and ghost aint talking loud so that people can hear, since we aint ghost], they have to be corrected in less than 3 months?

Should a ghost be the replacement of the another teacher when a human teacher just taught human people? There has not been a ghost in the sequences or successive teachers that have taught man. these human teachers, as Jesus called them so that you may know are from God were called GOOD SPIRIT of GOD [Check the test for True Prophet versus fakes in your Bible. That includes what the Prophet says if it ever comes to past, at the time it is to be; incidentally Jesus failed in so many fro your Bible].

@Seyibrown; Let me apologize for my saying 11 instead of 12. Maybe the image123 boy statement of naivete kinda threw me off, taking his 13 as 12, since they are so close. But how you could take 3 for 1 or 1 for 3 is beyond any normal mind. now you have my 12 over there in bits and pieces;

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John 14:16 'And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.[/Quote]
Did the former abide with you forever? This is a window to the reality. Was Jesus the former Comforter? He is not here now. Or is he? Is he abiding with you forever? If yes, how? If no, then he is not even a prophet, because all prophets are abiding forever. Moses is. Just ask the Jews. Abraham is. Just ask any who claim to be a monotheist. Noah is. So is Adam, our father.

@Seyibrown: If 11 is 12 in your mind, I can see why you take 3 to be 1.

Look, again. You even copied it, just above to show me what you wanted me to copy. It is #11. If you have said #11, I will not be talking about #12 posted by Image123.

Seyi, you shouldnt be very lazy. you should just as well copied it, and import it to the thread in question. i will even do that, now, so that you may see the differences between a true believer in One God, and a pseudo/pretender, whereas she is a plain idol worshiper, because there is no reason for God to be more than One or look similar to us, so much so that a mere township can seize him and slaughter him like a common thief.

^^^^^^Is a corrupt woman or man not a woman or man still? Is a corrupt judge not a judge still? A corrupt bobby (police), cop not an officer of the peace, still?

What the corruption brings is you cant trust it to be the truth, in each case. You have to verify by it is correct, by testing it. If it have the air of truth, it will not be said to be corrupt, unless you see what is better, the control example/specimen.


when the part that is implausible is tested, you see it failing, always. it will be opposite to the control specimen, the standart of truth.corrupted parts will always disagrees with normal human mind.

@Seyibrown; If you thought post #12 is deserving of any discussion, since i thought the poster used his elbow (macarroni), instead of the brain, you should copy it, so that we can ash it out. this is your call. you are the one who things it comes with wisdom. when you show the importance of it by bringing it to the discussion table, you will see me, InshaAllah beating it to what it is; nothing. afterall, i ignored it here.

@Yommyuk: You were upset at by swipe at you. You are not upset if anyone swipes at any of your three Gods.

I am the opposite. I am unhappy when you swiped at my prophet (AS). Considering that lied and argued with pure deficiency about Another Comforter.

if you swipe at me, no gripe will come from me.

my love for my prophet is higher that my love for myself. I know you dont care if anyone say any thing to your gods.

@Almuhandis: Just to show the hypocrisy ot Christianity; this past week in New York City USA, an african cab driver took a fare. The fare was a white guy. At the end of the journey, he got out, somehow the driver, thinking white people have good manner, since the guy is well dressed. He asked the african man if he was a muslim.

On the affirmation from this african, the white guy cut his neck. Only Allah protected him from having a deep cut which would have ended his life.

And as for the suicide bombing. The initiators were the Tamil Tigers. I hope you can research that. And stop being a waste.

Run off. Go play with Shaitan (Lanatullahi alal Khafirin, like Almuhandis). He has taken your god to a cliff, again. This time he may just throw him down, since Shaitan is unpredictable.

my brothers in Islam, Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

Seyibrown asked how Satan could be in two places at the same time. I answered that when Satan was playing with Jesus in the so many times he played with him, including taking him to the wilderness to preach to nothing, and even Peter was the Satan, somehow in the world, somebody must be at least be doing something satanic.

Or was it the heart of jesus that deceived him at that time, thinking it was Satan? However these christians slice the onion, it will sting them in the eyes by its vapor. They can realize how terrible it is to imagine what they put forward, or they bury themselves in abject ignorance. Imagine a person believing that a god played like that, just any human would; deceived and or toyed with, by Satan, many times to the point that he is calling his best friend Satan, and then killed like that. Even dalai lama, a common man, the Tibetan buhddist will not let it happen, that easy. And he is not even an elect of God.


And Tonye-T ran underground, thinking he did something wonderful. He said it is superstition. I sure hope he knows the definition of superstition. And he needs to tell us how any of the ahadith, deceiving acts of satan, is superstition.