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@All who are on this thread; From post 175, above, Olaadegbu said the following about Jesus from the mouth or ideas of Paul: [Quote]You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created:[/Quote]!

I hereby, with above rest my case. I am heading home to reality. Leaving Olaadegbu alone with Paul so that they can both enjoy their lies.

Allah reveals the corruption of the Bible with that very quote from Olaadegbu by the idealism of fraud and deceit of Paul, on the actuality of Jesus. We see why the Another Comforter had to come to correct the lies, saying in truth that Jesus is creation, just like Adam is creation, too.

The ONLY Creator is God Almighty.

It is Friday and Allah has given me a great gift of assurance of His Power to make man reveal truth, even when man does not want it so.

@Tonye-T; And I rinse him out everyday. But you ignorantly leave it in yours. You will not be able to recruit me for your boss, satan. You are like peter, working for satan.

Well the Another Comforter told you about satan. But refused him who leads you to "All things/True and away from all things/False.

When you refuse him, you refused the Former Comforter[s] by extension of instructions given and obedience expected.


But then, where have you been hiding these days when you have about three threads in your honor and that of your patron, Satan the accursed?

Are you back peddling? No Tonye-T. You have to eat your vomit, right from the gutter you threw yourself in. It wont be easy to just laugh and walk away when the whole world is expecting you to show that superstion is what made Muhammad (AS) talked and warned about satan, the same way Jesus of the Bible talked about satan who controlled him there for as long as he controlled him, even to his shout at Peter the momentary satan.

This is Jihad, since you expect one. You now got it. You are expected to defend your position by defining SUPERSTITION and use a hadith to illustrate it, how if fits into superstition.

The burden of proof is on you who accused, as saying the hadith about satan, your boss who excited you to pen the topic, is superstition. You must tell us how each or even one is superstition. That is the meat of the matter. Otherwise, you are bogus and you know it.

@Olaadegbu: While you are it, trying to proof the deity of servant and powerless Jesus by the two verses, please ask walid sheobat to participate if not just help.

All of you are now exposed. I do not need a verse or verses, but just the two using your ability to read english. you will not be surviving if marginally in england without some understanding of english, in reading, writing and understanding it.

A deaf man will understand when he reads, what servant means separate from Master, and what powerless means separate from Powerful. Each qualification is the opposite of the other in its set, respectively.

The same understanding will happen to a blind man when he hears the same set of qualifications, above.

But a man whose heart is diseased, deceased, with deviant and rebellious soul will not. He will accept that master and servant are equal, and same, in the same way he will say Powerful and powerless are equal and indeedthe same.

@Olaadegbu: [Quote]You guys have nothing to contribute to this thread, so it would help if you take yourselves over to the thread where your misgivings can be adressed and who knows whether you can be delivered from the powers of darkness and be translated into the kingdom of heaven.

Prophecy 101: Islam And Satan -- Walid Shoebat
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=518186.0[/Quote]This question is domain to this topic, so dont walk on by it without answering it. It is open to every christian, including the pope in rome, the archbishop of canterbury in england. So Aletheia, and co,you can approach it, too.

Please explain and use the below verse[s] adevidence of the Deity of Christ. If you cant, therefore, we at least if you refuse to, must accept that Jesus is no God, but only in your own imaginative thought he is, without evidence, reason or rationale.

Jesus said about God; "Jesus, Your servant, whom You sent".


Jesus said to people about himself; "Of my own power, I can do nothing".

In our fakeness, as almuhandis/aljannu calibrates us the yoruba muslims, compared to others he deemed better than us, we therefore beseech You in Your Mercy. Oh Allah The All Able, from Your Immense Mercy to forgive all the yoruba muslims, everyone of them, who has ever made a single Sujjud to You, in sincerity with fullness of Your Lordship, in heart at that time. Males and females of the yoruba muslims to admit us to Jannah, with our beloved muslim brothers and sisters. To make good of Your allowance of intercession before You, as You promise our beloved Muhammad (AS) bin Abdullah, the unlettered Messenger and Prophet, the only one in the two categories You sent to the entire mankind, creation that need guidance, Man and Jinn.

Oh Allah, I ask you to forgive all muslims around the world whose fakeness of the deen is as bad as the fakeness of the Yoruba muslims, as Almuhandis conceived it in his heart, even less faith in Islam, for us all, because You are the Only One Who can forgive and You Love to forgive, so forgive all muslims, and replace us from our places in Hell without us entering it with whatever You wish to replace us with; the likes of Almuhandis if he dies without accepting Islam, or stones. It is all up to You Allah and the decision is Yours, Only.

Elevate us as You have elevated some Messengers and Prophets over others. Make us all enter Jannah Firdaus Ala and let people like Almuhandis know that You have bestowed Your Favor, Mercy, Forgiveness, upon us by ransoming us from torment. Amin.

@Yommyuk: please my knowledgeable man of the christian religion, please quote and interpret these in context, since we in Islam are not knowledgeable,hence we are always out of context in every respect. Thank you.

1).   Jesus said "Of my own power, I can do nothing". This is very profound.

2).   Jesus said and his disciples believed it, "Your servant Jesus, who You sent". Another profound statement.

3).   Jesus said "Hear, oh Israel, our Lord is One God". Profoundly a destruction of Trinity.

4).   Jesus said "my God, my God, . . . why has thou forsaken me?" Profoundly a sign of disbelief.



I will stop until you help me to understand what these meant, if not what they obviously said, as listed above. I wonder what you will say the meaning of this here is "Olu and Ayo are good friends, attending the same school"?

Kola Oloye the big time is asking Olaadegbu the big time shayatin to pray for the slaves of Allah so that they can become the servants of servant of Allah.

Kola, you are a darn confused soul.

Who needs heaven when we have Jannah, InshaAllah.

Alhamdulillahi ladhi adaana al Islam.

The Qur'an does not endorse beating wife for insubordination. If the wife shows disloyalty and ill-conduct towards her husband, the recommended steps in sequence are - (1) verbal advice or admonition, (2) separating bed so as to suspend sexual relation, (3) have sexual intercourse (so as to win her over), and if that too fails to reconcile, then (4) a family council that is comprised of two arbiters, one from each family with the intention of setting things aright (4:34-35). [See, e.g., Al-Qur'an: a Contemporary Translation by Ahmed Ali, Princeton University Press, 1993] [Note also: The Arabic root word "daraba" being taken from the prosaic example "the stud-camel covered the she-camel." (Raghib, Al-Mufridat fi Gharib Al-Qur'an)].


These verses were revealed in relation to the wife of a Muslim who complained to the Prophet (S) that her husband had beaten her, and she wanted retaliation. If beating of wives were allowed in the Qur'an then it could not have prohibited it by saying, "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do." (Qur'an, 4:128) See also the verse: "Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them, " (Qur'an, 2:231).


I am, however, aware of the fact that because of a misinterpretation with the Arabic word Adribu in the Qur'an (derived from the word 'Daraba' which has multiple meanings, depending on the context) some translators have mistakenly assumed that the third option means scourge, or light beating.


This discussion once again demonstrates that relying on a mistranslation in English or other languages rather than the classical Arabic of the Qur'an, in which the Islamic scripture was revealed, can distort the actual meanings intended for the verse. This problem is also quite acute with many old scriptures that are open to so many interpretations. Little knowledge on religion can actually be dangerous! (My own word: And only an evil scholar will say it is permissible to beat a mate, a wife, a mother. And only men of injustice practice such acts).

@Frosbel; Thank you for the video. I was just talking to a friend in Riyahd in Saudi Arabia, who was sincere to tell me the following;

The arabs are not that religious. Infact the opposite is the case.

They love white skinned disbeliever over all type of believing muslims, especially those with brown skin.
And his example was a 37 arab woman who has not been married but will not marry this black man, rather will marry a white skin instead.

The said that the western country passport that he carries is the ticket for him to enter any place, not his islam. Until he shows his american passport, he is harassed usually taken to be sudanese, though he is a thoroughbred nigerian from Benin City, for real.

He said he observes many Nigerian women begging and prostituting in saudi arabian cities, including Makka. The whole issue shocked me, hence am not surprised that the "scholar" in the video said what he said. Though, he did not say that Muhammad actually beat any of his wives, or any of his sahabah did such a thing or if a woman was to report to him about her husband's mistreatment of her, he supported the husband or blame the wife.

That scholar is only a scholar in name and not in substance, since knowledge that is actualized incorrectly is no knowledge. If I were in a place I can throw shoes at him, I will without missing, aiming at all other places apart from his face, indeed his head because he may wake up to reality by it.

In my next post, I will post the verse and meaning of what he, deceitfully because of his "Arab" culture, instead of "Islamic" Culture viewed as Beating of Spouse/Wife. What am saying is that there is no truth to it, because a wife is a mate, to be chesished. What f the wife s stronger than the husband? Does he expect her to lay down and take it when she is a woman, a mother, a believer who should not be oppressed, a mate and partner?

Alluhumma Rahamd faghfrili.

Allahumma Rahma Rahim Jannah fil dhausi ala.

May Allah give strength to his beloved he left on earth; wife, children, etc.

Be courageous for your mom. She needs more support now than ever.

Ko si eron ife lara awon keferi sha. I even call my older sister my young mother. Rightfully so. A title of honor. I wonder if Mary the mother of Jesus is a real cousin of Elisabeth of Yahya? When Elisabeth is called the daughters of Aaron, even with all the generations between Elisabeth and Aaron, the christians find it difficult to accept that Mary could be honorably called sister of Aaron. Yet they can say her son is their God. A lie of the highest form. They even say this child of the woman they cant attach to Aaron is also their God. Another lie.

But in all of these, they found a way to make a ghost which they say is a trinitarian god becomes a sent messenger that hears and repeats only what he hears, to a particular generation, group. Without any record, they mysteriously transfer this ghost beyond the scope of what they said jesus said about him to every generation since.

Guys, when will you wake up to reality?

@Olaadegbu and Aletheia: « #162 on: Today at 09:59:03 AM »
[QUote]Quote from: bashy_demy on Today at 09:32:11 AM
Hey your comments does not match with what we are talking about here

I hope you have an answer to his question in his quote below.

Quote from: aletheia on Today at 09:22:52 AM
Tell me: Is your grand-daughter or other female descendant your sister?[/Quote]Allah has answered you with varied and obvious examples in your life. Yes. They may not be in yours world. But they are in my world. Proof; The mother of my children calls her mother sister, because thats the nickname the family gave her. My Muslim female family members are my "sisters" in Islam. That include my mother, grand mother, nieces, sister, aunts, cousins. The non Muslims among them are just sisters in humanity, because we are all children of "The Family Patriach", "Town Patriach like the Ijebu Ode Omo Obantas", "Provincial Patriach like the Ijebu Omo Alares", "Tribal Patriach lke the yoruba Omo Oduduwas", "Human race Patriach mankind omo Adamos".

I dont know about you all humans are from the family of Adam (AS). We are his children, the males are brothers of one another and to the females, who are sisters of one another and to the males. Yet we can marry from this family pool, since the first generation of :Children of Adam" marry from themselves, instead of your Biblical mumbo Jumbo's "Sons of God got daughters of men pregnant" mad mind story.If your Biblical story were true, that will make their children half casts of Humans and Gods. Maybe this is where you guys are drawing your god son's mentality of Servant of God Jesus.



[Quote]You see the inconsistencies that mount up when you try to defend that farrago of lies called the qur'an.[/Quote]This dude Aletheia, is not a human from human race, he is not a nigeria who is in brotherhood with all nigerians, males and females of us, he is not a yoruba man with an omo Oduduwa identity, the reason he wrote Johanuu, for John instead of writing Joonu. The same way Yoruba will write Maikeli for Michael in the song "Maikeli rora bukele, iyon polobe,Maikeli rora bukele". You are the one who is with mounting inconsistencies, with evidences of in numerous non congruent arguments on each and every subject of your religious Book. OT opposes NT. NT opposes itself, by one Gospel opposing itself, another Gospel[s] and post Gospel parts of the same NT.

No wonder it is an inspiration still going through VERSIONS, EDITIONS, REVISIONS, because there are three equal gods directing the flow of "Thoughts" of the writers. The gods must be opposing one another. These gods are to be blamed for what they have caused in Trinity, with one of them dying with a soul accursed so that the christians may be saved, while another needed to be protected from critical analysis, and the third is never independent enough to do things without consultations with the other two, who are irrevelant.

IDIOT, like the man who said Islam of Muhammad (AS) began prior to or at least in the 1st Century of his dead lord.

^^^^^^^^^ And Islam of Muhammad (AS) did not begin until 610 in the 7th Century. "Ode" in the honoring language of Idi Ileke, when the Ekiti lady is praising IDIOT.

Authentic Eko blood is mostly Muslims. More atowun rewas of Lagos make up the larger christian population of Lagos.

By the way, not all Yorubas are Ifa Worshipers.

Not All Igbos are Christians.

Not all Hausas are Muslims.

Lol. You dont know a thing about Nigerians, since you are not Nigerian, the reason you missed it by a mile.

@« #157 on: Today at 01:22:26 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 04:35:02 PM
@Olaadegbu: Luke 1 verse 5 was not Just that Elisabeth the wife of Zacharias was a family member of Aaron. It says "from the SISTERS of Aaron". You live in England. Shame on you if you are saying that that is not actually saying SISTER OF AARON. Then you have to blame your soul for lying to your heart, which makes your head not be able to use your eyes to read it.

Verse 36 of the same Luke 1 addressed Mary as cousin of Elisabeth. Yet, you comic head Olaadegbu is my brother because we are yorubas the group claiming that they are Omo Oduduwa. Yet just to show how ignorant you are; your sister is legal for me to marry. So is your niece. And if you have a young aunt, I can marry here. Mine is also the same for you, while we still remain as brothers from Oduduwa, who is even less than Adam (AS) the father of the entire human race. Is Maryam not from this group?Is Aaron not from it? Is Jesus (Lol), your god not from it?

Quote from: bashy_demy on Yesterday at 08:09:34 PM
@Sweetnecta just leave those Ignorant alone they are running from truth every comment i made up there i give you an Evidence from your Bible so now are you telling me bible is a liar well we all know that Luke is liar so not new to me.

Aaron, Moses and Miriam were siblings of the same parents making them brothers and sister. Mary who was of the Davidic lineage and Elizabeth of the Aaronic lineage were relatives. When the Bible says that Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron (not sister of Aaron as you mentioned) it means that she was of the Levitess. What you refuse to admit is the fact that you qur'an got Miriam and Mary mixed up, your book also got the duration of discipline meted out to Zacharias completely wrong by saying that he was made dumb for three days instead of the duration of the pregnancy of JTB which was 9 months (Surah 3:41), Gideon confused with Saul (Judges 7, 1 Sam 17 Surah. 2:249) amongst many other historical errors and you come here to look for contradictions in the Bible.

If you want to hold on to what the qur'an teaches you have to leave the Bible and don't let the truth confuse you but if you want to enlighten your mind with the truth then be ready to have an open mind.[/Quote]Your Bible called Elizabeth "from the daughters of Aaron", and The Virgin Mary, "cousin of Elisabeth", my Quran calls Mary "sister of Aaron". You said my Quran is wrong and your Bible is right. What yardstick did you use for it, when by your name, I assume that you are a a yoruba man and me being one, too calls you my brother because we are both from the Yoruba lineage of Oduduwa, hence Omo Oduduwa, which make you and I, brothers.

For your lack of honesty, I do not know how to classify you? Unless I wrongfully say you are neither a yoruba nor human, I am forced to accept you as a generic brother. But I will not marry anyone from your side of the family tree, because your way be reflect on my descendant down the line, and who wants that.

Here we are, all people are children of Adam and Eve. The Arabs and Children of Jacob call each other cousins. Nigerian Anthem in the days said "In brotherhood we stand", all black people call one another brothers, so I really don't know which end of your body you are using to think here?

What truth is Olaadegbu thinks he is telling us? There is no Miriam mentioned in the Quran, so his stating of mixing up is from his own mind and those who think like him. When Mary was being addressed as sister of Aaron, she already had delivered baby Jesus, who came to the aid of his mother, defending her by speaking in the cradle, telling them who he is as a prophet, his role and duties with his mother and his people, in general. No Miriam name was mentioned, oh confused man Olaadegbu, in your christian deceit.

Quran says Zakariyyah (AS) was not able to speak for three days, but in those three days, he was able to praise God much in the morning time (Salatuh SUbh) and and late afternoon time (Salatul Asr), by saying Alhamdulillah, Shukrulillah (Am grateful to Allah, Am thankful to Allah). The miracles were many in those days by not being able to speak in at all except these two time in each day. You see that Quran has no source from the Bible? The source of Quran is Solely from Allah, while the Bible is from paul, jill, mary and angela, among others, all of them being the so called "Bible Writers". Maybe you need to read the condition of how the Angel appeared to Zakariyyah(AS), in the Quran.

He prayed, being an old man, the Quran said he shouted in secret. I know you must have heard a 90 year old man shouted a lout before? It is always very weak, similar to those who said they were shouting in their sleep because of freight, yet the mate sleep in the same bed can hear the shout because no noise is coming out.

When the angel told Zakariyyah about the child to be born, he asked if he will take a young wife for this, or he himself and his wife will become younger, maybe because he knew as a prophet nothing is impossible for God to accomplish or because Prophet Job was made to become young from about age 88 to around 30 after Allah ended his suffering. Malaika Jibril (AS) receiving answer from Allah on the spot that Zakariyyah and his wife will be exactly as they were when the the events of pregnancy shall take place. These are miracles in fold of miracles, unlike unexplainable and hard to follow and definitely unacceptable projections that we have in the Bible.

[Quote]Luke 1

1Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most
surely believed among us,

2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

3[b]It seemed good to me also[/b], having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.[/Quote]I see a set up of "Once upon a time" phrase that usually begins "storytelling". But is the storyteller Luke, or somebody else, since it is "According to Luke" that we are dealing with here? I want you to sharpen your mind, so that you will learn something here. You may never change. But the truth is being told to you. Did Luke write to most excellent Theophillus? There is no proof he did and the passage above indicates some other person wrote at best, a listener to Luke, and at worse, who knows if it was a 10 generation hearsay

But this is a Gospel. If there is a test for the Text of word of God in the Bible,it should be the Gospel that must be foremost. You say jesus is God. You say God is speaking in the Bible. In fact, you say that the whole Bible is word of God. Not even word of any servant. SO now we look and find verse 3 above, and I will try to ignore all the others. But verse 3 I just cant. When we analyze it, we realize that if God was writing, it is peculiar that he will use "It seems good to me" as if it is now a discovery. This does not befit the All Knower, just as having a son or a consort does not befit Him of His Independence over all.

Please note that the write says to Theophillus that he has perfect understanding of all things from the very first, nullifies Jesus as the writer, since Jesus had no perfect understanding (knowledge) of the last hour. To write to the in order most excellent Theophillus, should not be the way God will write, or Jesus his servant, leader among his community, commanding them, as his God permits, and later was lifted off the earth and according to the christians idea of elevating him,"he did not write anything down", could not be the meek writer, writing to Most Excellent Theophillus.

@Olaadegbu: Luke 1 verse 5 was not Just that Elisabeth the wife of Zacharias was a family member of Aaron. It says "from the SISTERS of Aaron". You live in England. Shame on you if you are saying that that is not actually saying SISTER OF AARON. Then you have to blame your soul for lying to your heart, which makes your head not be able to use your eyes to read it.

Verse 36 of the same Luke 1 addressed Mary as cousin of Elisabeth. Yet, you comic head Olaadegbu is my brother because we are yorubas the group claiming that they are Omo Oduduwa. Yet just to show how ignorant you are; your sister is legal for me to marry. So is your niece. And if you have a young aunt, I can marry here. Mine is also the same for you, while we still remain as brothers from Oduduwa, who is even less than Adam (AS) the father of the entire human race. Is Maryam not from this group?Is Aaron not from it? Is Jesus (Lol), your god not from it?

SEYIBROWN; ITS ALL YOURS. Please answer my questions. I dont need to be made to be pacified. I just need answer.

[Quote]« #119 on: October 30, 2010, 02:24 AM »

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While the Bible recorded Jesus as God, we heard from the mouth of jesus that he was a servant sent. Muhammad (AS) said exactly the same thing, when people are saying jesus was God. I am even correcting you right here, right now to stop the madness of trinity. But you will not listen. I am on theside of Muhammad. You claim you are n=on the side of Jesus, but then you made him a god, when he said he was a servant? Who is wrong here, you or jesus? I already answered the rest in What the former Comforter left for another comforter to teach the believers. But of course, you are not going to tell me a thing the ghost correct you on, taught you that Jesus never taught, guided you into that jesus didnt. can you tell me a book I can read them from?

I answered this in post # 24 on page 1 of this thread. Jesus said other things, why believe one thing but not the other things he said. Your father sending you to give a message to some people does not make you an houseboy. To the ones who you are bringing the message, you are the son of your father, 'the bearer of the message' (messenger), and the one who carries out the wishes of your father(servant, in that respect) but it doesn't bring you to the level of your houseboy at all!

I have not published a book on what the Holy Spirit has said to me or corrected me on yet but there are people who have published what the Holy Spirit has told them. I will reserve a copy for you when I write that first book! The Holy Spirit helped me see why it is important to examine my motives for doing anything. Specific example:The Holy Spirit put me right on 'Adult toys'. The Holy spirit clarifies things that I do not understand when I ask him.

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Is that name jesus or holy ghost? If not are those titles? clue, clue, clue>>>>Allah Al Qahar (The God Who is Irresistible).

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Please list 3 of the 99 names of Allah so I can use them to explain better to you.[/Quote}The Irresistible. The Everliving. The Never Dying. The Only Sustainer. The ord of the Day of Judgment. The fashioner. The Recreator. The Creator. The Only Giver. The Restrictor.

Ar-Rahim (the merciful), Al-Malik(the King, the Master,), Al-Jabbar(the Compeller, the Lofty), Al-Khāfid (the abaser)etc all refer to Allah.

Jehovah Jireh >> God my provider
Jehovah Nissi >> The Lord our Banner (our cover, our means of victory)
El- Shaddai >> God Almighty
Jehovah Rophi >> God Who Heals
Jehovah Shalom >> LORD is Peace
Eloi simply means God.

I hope you will now understand when christians refer to God using a title or description that is not in English. Eloi, Yahweh, Jehovah or El-shaddai refers to the same person.


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Moses performed more miracles than him.
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Moses was the scripture as you call the Bible.
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If it makes you happy, live in your lies of the bold. A person who couldnt do anything by his own power wouldnt rise if he died, you know. When he begged (read your Bible for clarity), God will not allow them to kill him, so how could he have risen, when he didnt die, but just got "mashed up (jamaican lingo)"?
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This is poor thinking. If you use Corinthians to support jesus, then did the writer of Corinthians know Jesus, being his disciple? Lets leave this till sometime in the future. I though Jesus ended the issue by Gospel? Oh. he didnt. he left it to the Another Comforter. How did this comforter memorialize his teaching, his correction, his reminding? Show e a book I can read it in so that you got it in a latter generation. If I remember correctly, jesus was talking to those disciples, alone, if you wanna go there. I am already there and you cant pick and chose, but must be consistent in this matter. You can say those people received the ghost, and you are receiving it now, since Jesus didnt say it like that, it must be your own makeup.


Moses did not raise the dead!

Yes, Moses was their physical guide.

He died, conquered the grave and resurrected. He is alive, that is why when we ask in his name, we receive! I explain more in post # 113 on this same page.

The comforter did not need to read a book. The comforter knows the mind of God because he is the spirit of God. The comforter already knows what message needs to be passed on[/Quote]I am revisiting this bold because the former comforter's revelation or what he heard from God was penned, though now corrupted. Is that not what should happen to the another comforter's work on the disciples whom were the only people promised to interact with him, by hearing him repeat to them all that he heard from God Who sent him, to correct mistakes since right does not need correction, etc? How can the Holy Ghost which is God Himself, according to your Biblical statement be the errant runner of God, hearing and then repeating without putting "His" own input? If he knows the "MIND" of God, what purpose is the hearing and them repeating? Seyibrown, something is wrong with the whole idea, if critically analyzed. A master cant be a messenger.




[Quote]« #120 on: October 30, 2010, 03:26 AM »

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Allah says that a time has come when people will be trooping into islam. It is happening today. Allah says Rome will defeat Parsia. It happened. Allah says Abu Lahab will die a disbeliever. Thats what happened 10 years later. Allah says Makka will be won. It happened like that. Allah says Makka is only for believers. The Saudi has her headquarters in Rihayd, so that no non muslim is invited to enter Makka. Allah says Masjid Aqsa. At that time it was ruin. Today A mosque named Aqsa is standing there. Are you satisfied? Allah says there will be people like you who envy, deride Muhammad, islam, etc. There are many of you on Nairaland. A christian friend of mine in DC was talking to me the other day he said the Muslims knocks their heads on the floor. I ignored his ignorance because in all the years I have been muslim, I have never knocked my head on the floor. Touching gently is knocking in the eye of the disbelievers. I understand that.

Thanks for providing the prophecies. I will look into it. About your friend, I too know people who call christians 'apatewo mu garri', doesn't offend me one bit. Glad you put it down to his ignorance. This world would be a better place if many people put a lot of things people say down to ignorance instead of putting a price on their head or call for them to be killed for saying things that they believe to be true.

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And dad in Nigeria who sired you will be proud of you rejecting him for somebody who does not share mom's bed. Your husband will be happy to know that the children you have for him now belong to an entity who did not keep you up some part of the nights. Good reasoning.

My dad doesn't see God as his rival. He knows that what he as an earthly father cannot do for me, my heavenly father - who is also his own heavenly father - will do for me.

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And jesus said "of my own power I can do nothing". Seyibrown, I now ask you where did he get the power to make you God's son? I say its a fake. You christians are status crazy. You remind of the man who married his daughter "illegally" to a senator. He wants elevation of his status in the community.

John 3:31-36 (Amplified Bible)31[b]He Who comes[/b] from above (heaven) is [far] above all [others]; he who comes from the earth belongs to the earth, and talks the language of earth [his words are from an earthly standpoint]. He Who comes from heaven is [far] above all others [far superior to all others in prominence and in excellence].

32It is to what He has [actually] seen and heard that He bears testimony, and yet no one accepts His testimony [no one receives His evidence as true].

33Whoever receives His testimony has set his seal of approval to this: God is true. [That man has definitely certified, acknowledged, declared once and for all, and is himself assured that it is divine truth that God cannot lie].

34For since He Whom God has sent speaks the words of God [proclaims God's own message], God does not give Him His Spirit sparingly or by measure, but boundless is the gift God makes of His Spirit!

35The Father loves the Son and has given (entrusted, committed) everything into His hand.

36And he who believes in (has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see (experience) life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him. [God's displeasure remains on him; His indignation hangs over him continually.

From the above scripture (said by Jesus himself), Jesus has the power to make me God's child because God has put everything in his power.[/Quote]The only verse it is deemed possible by normal mind that "said by Jesus himself", is applicable is the one that I provide, where "MY" is the indicator of the speaker, while all that you provide, is without doubt at best "statement[s]" of third person[s], about a wish list on Jesus, because of the "he, him, etc" used. Read them again. Then write two stories with one indicating My and the other He, His, etc and ask knowledgeable people to assess the person who is writing relative to the person who the writer is talking about. You will find out that everyone will agree that the "My" is talking about himself, while the "He,his, etc" is talking about a third person. The Only ENTITY that can say HE, HIM, HIS, US, WE for Himself of just My, Me, etc is God Almighty and jesus knocked himself out of you possibly using this to make him "God" by his many statements, including the "My"above along with "I am a servant sent by God" and others.




[Quote]« #121 on: October 30, 2010, 03:40 AM »

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Someday, you will wake up and see that God needs no son. Read your post. You call jesus God. At the same time you call him son of God. I guess he was the ghost that got his mama pregnant. You know what they call that: similar to the myth of the boy who killed his father so that he can marry his mother.

Is it possible for you to have 3 or more of the below listed roles at any one point in time?

Father, Husband, Son, Cousin, Half-brother, Step-brother, Son-in-law, Father-in-law, Brother-in-law, Servant of NL Oil Plcl!

Will the fact that you are Biola's father exclude you from being Mr Christopher's son and Mrs Hamed's son-in-law and the Operations manager of NL Oil Plc? You are still the one and the same person!

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In heaven. A spirit, waiting for my time to be here on earth. Jesus wait was almost 2000 years less than mine. My wait is definitelyy less than that of my great, great, great garnd children, who will be here adter I have left.

Great calculation! You say you were in heaven and waited some 2000 years more than Jesus! Jesus said he was in existence before Abraham was created! He was there at the beginning.

John 1:1-5 (King James Version)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:14-15 (King James Version)
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 1:14-15 (King James Version)
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Jesus was there in the beginning with God. He is the word of God, without him nothing was made. He became flesh (came to earth).His name, Emmanuel means 'God with us'.[/Quote]While he was never called this very name, we do know that not every Jesus is Jesus, not every Emmanuel is God with us, a mere name without the Power of God since Jesus knew not the hour, or have his own power, and declared he was a servant, same not all Muhammad is Muhammad (AS), and so your above "in the beginning was the word, . . . ." is absolutely consistent with the lies of the NT, since OT bears nothing like that and the Another Comforter came to correct by Quran and hadith. Is there a god but Allah Who is Irresistible?




[Quote]« #122 on: October 30, 2010, 04:01 AM »

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Please, read the following scriptures to see what Jesus answered to the question of whether he was the King of the Jews.

John 18:33-37

33 Then Pilate entered the headquarters again, summoned Jesus, and asked him, “Are you the King of the Jews?”

34 Jesus answered, “Do you ask this on your own, or did others tell you about me?”

35 Pilate replied, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests have handed you over to me. What have you done?”

36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my [/b]followers would be fighting to keep [b]me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.”

Pilate asked him, “So you are a king?”

37Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”

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You will agree that each time they ask Jesus, if he was sure or had an asnwer, he spoke directly to the question. I wonder why he is wobbly here? maybe he did not have an answer? I suspect he was not a king, since in his 33 years on earth, they called him a king, but he never mounted a throne. If he were, where is the throne? Even in heaven, from the Bible, there is One Throne and that belongs to Yahweh. He was not a king on earth,and not in heaven, either. I remember that the satan was telling him that he was given the whole of the world. jesus response was similar as the above. He was undecided.

Your usual habit of turning truth that stares you in the face on it's head. The Scripture clearly shows what Jesus answered to the question. He said his Kingdom was not of this world. Kings rule over kingdoms.

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I wonder what the use of Swords and the Bags that they purchase? You need to explain why sell all your cloths to buy ammonition, if you wish to live to tell the story?

There is no record of Jesus carrying or using any of the weapons in the Bible. People buy guns everyday for their own personal protection in America; how many wars have those people who buy them started?

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You are married woman. The man and you expect Children. Whose name do they bear? WHose bloods do they carry? Arent you a happier woman when you have children? Now tell me about the children of jesus, and who carries his name by blood? Sorry he is God, he does not have to have children. No sex, because thats beneath God. However, Muhammad (AS) was a prophet like every prophet who married. I know John didnt.

Children do not make one's life complete! Some children betray or kill their parents. One's life is only complete with the one who never leaves or forsake - God Almighty. Many people have proved that you can live life to its fullest without children.[/Quote]As I have argued earlier, Jesus himself supported me with his use of My, I, Me, in the above, while he, Jesus churned you and the Bible writers who are giving him a Title of "King".




[QUote]« #123 on: Yesterday at 12:57:32 PM »

seyibrown:
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Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds? Have you asked for the hand of any 6 year old in marriage yet? Will you marry your 6 year old daughter off to a 45 yr old man? Will you allow a 30 year old man to marry and have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter?

sweetnecta:
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I love women passionately. So I restrict my sexual interest to my wife. Now, tell me if a woman born in 1990 6 or 9 in 2009? talk to me about the birth of Aisha, relative to her father's accepting islam which brought the divorce of her parents because her mother refused to enter islam?

My question was very simple: Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds? Will you allow a 30 year old man to have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter? Given your partial answer, who is lying about the written account of the paedophilia? You, Aisha, or the Quran (and or hadith)?

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Abu Bakr (RA) the father of Aisha (RA), was the first grown man to accept islam. He accepted it the very first year of revelation. Aisha's mother refused to enter islam with the whole family, so the parents were divorced. This left Aisha with her father. She must have been independent at that time, because she didnt need mom for any support. She was engaged to be married before the beginning of islam. But Islam started, and her father wanted to migrate to Ethiopia because the uslims were being oppressed, he wanted the family of the future husband to take their future wife from his hand.

They refused and because of his conversion, they called the who thing off. Fortunately, a man in makka said he will support and proptect Abu Bakr. Well, islam lasted 13 years in makka, before migration to madina. Now tell me how is Aisha 9 in the second year of Migration, when she was alive 15 years of Islam plus the years she was alibve before revelation? How is a woman engaged before marries a differen person much much later and you say she is 9, when she shouls be at least 17 to 21?

I did ask that you support your answer with scriptures. What account does Aisha herself give of when sexual relations started between her and Mohammed? Any scriptures that support your claims that Aisha was older than what she herself claimed in her account? I would think these scriptures are available online, why don't you just quote them in support of your claims? If you can show me those scriptures, I will admit that I have been wrong in concluding that Mohammed was a paedophile and I will add notes to my previous posts to show that my views are now different. I will have to start seeing Mohammed in a different light. You just disprove Aisha's account.[/QUote]No. I have simply disproved the liar who said things wrong by her lips against the Prophet (AS), since he is the object of the slanders of the slanderers. I am almost certain from the way you coo over your husband that he is a lot older that you, rightfully so and appropriate.




[QUote]« #124 on: Yesterday at 01:16:03 PM »

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Give names and proofs. I read hadith and Quran. Muhammad (AS) said, in his family tree, from Adam to himself, there was no fornication or adultery. A man who was a virgin at 25 should not be taken as sexual deviant. How many men in their mid 20s that are virgins? If I am capable of no illegal sex, I wonder how my leader will be incapable? I do not do phone intimacy, video sex. And its common in this USA. And most of the women lobbying for it are christians. Good moral quality from daughters of God running after a slave like me, who is refusing them.

Please allow me to come back to this paragraph with scriptural proof that he had sex with women (and encouraged his counterparts/followers to do the same) captured on raids.
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And Jesus said he came to fulfill all of Moses's things. I wonder what Jesus did with the warss? Ah. he bought swords to prosecute his own, except the enemies were many and bold.

Any accounts of earthly wars started by Jesus during his 33 years?[/QUote]Fela Anikuapo's song about the lawyer who purchased a hammer is appropriate, here. I hope you know the song. Its titled "He miss Road". This is a later version, different from what he produced much much earlier "about Gorilla coming out of the Bush entering bus in Lagos"




[Quote]« #126 on: Yesterday at 01:33:07 PM »

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I guess when Satan was playing with jesus, taking him on the cliff, passing a loaf of bread in from of hungry jessu, etc, Satan was not acting on anyone, say in another town? Or indeed around the world? How was Satan able to cajole jesus and managed to deal with less important people at the same time? Think about it. The joke is on you. Rather, christianity and Trinity.

The joke is rather on you who goes on hajj to stone satan when what you are going to look for in 'sokoto' is in your 'sokoto'. Satan is present in Nigeria(and everywhere), you do not have to go to hajj to stone him. Come to think of it, he should have been dead by now with the amounts of stoning he has received.

Is Satan not a spirit? Spirits do not have the same physical limitations of man. Wake up and smell the coffee. The Bible clearly tells us about the weapons we use to fight satan and his followers:[/Quote]I am inviting Tonye-T to this very idea, based on his limiting the many varied ways Satan can employ to waylay believers. The waking up is more appropriate for to you and Tonye-T, by your saying that we should not stone Shaytan at the place that Allah Commands us to do so by the revelation given on Hajj and the Sunnah of Muhammad to practice the Sunnan of all prophets and messengers, specifically that of father of Faith hanifan Ibrahim (AS) and his son Ismail (AS) and wife Hajar.

@Tonye-T, Seyibrown; Seyibrown said wake up and smell the coffee, as above concerning the ways that Shaytan can act, you shayatan Ins.




[Quote]2 Corinthians 10:4 (King James Version)
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

2 Corinthians 10:4 (New Living Translation)
4 [a]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.

2 Corinthians 10:4 (New International Reader's Version)
4 The weapons I fight with are not the weapons the world uses. In fact, it is just the opposite. My weapons have the power of God to destroy the camps of the enemy.

Satan works in the spirit which then manifests in the flesh (where applicable), hence the need for any counteractions to be in the spirit, which is done through prayer by the power of God, by the authority we have in the name of Jesus. Stones thrown by human hands do not work against satan, sir.[/Quote]Allah commands, Seyibrown says I should not obey and Tonye-T make it a hilarious pursuit. How do I know Allah's Commands except through His Prophet (AS), the human Messengers (AS), and I happen to exist under the time of one of them. He is indeed the last of both categories,Messenger and prophet. His name is Muhammad (AS). Is it impossible that shaytan ties invisible knots that one cant feel to the touch in hair, so that believer will fall deep into sleep and dont perform his/her obligatory duty on time? This is for Tonye-T to now answer.

As for Seyibrown, Allah says that the handful of sand that Muhammad (AS) threw in the battle of Badr, it is He Allah Who threw it. If this is not a proof that if one obeys Allah, such a person will be victorious,I dont know what victory and or obedience are, since in that battle the muslims were victorious. When Allah says to pray on Arafat,it is reported that Shaytan curses himself because of the multitude of people obeying this order, though the people are so tiny to the population of mankind that will never obey Allah.

Yet Shytan is sad on this small number because his intention is to confuse and get everyone on the wrong path, leaving Islam for others. If Allah says throw stones, why do I have to say "well, Shaytan is not there physically, since I dont see it. WHy dont I remain in London or go to Sokoto to accomplish the same goal?" Well neither place or any other place is Makka where the Jamrat condition must be met or Arafat is situated. If you will not obey, your consequent is with Allah; there is a day of Judgment which you or I will miss the appointment.

[Quote]« #123 on: Yesterday at 12:57:32 PM »

seyibrown:
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Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds? Have you asked for the hand of any 6 year old in marriage yet? Will you marry your 6 year old daughter off to a 45 yr old man? Will you allow a 30 year old man to marry and have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter?

sweetnecta:
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I love women passionately. So I restrict my sexual interest to my wife. Now, tell me if a woman born in 1990 6 or 9 in 2009? talk to me about the birth of Aisha, relative to her father's accepting islam which brought the divorce of her parents because her mother refused to enter islam?

My question was very simple: Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds? Will you allow a 30 year old man to have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter? Given your partial answer, who is lying about the written account of the paedophilia? You, Aisha, or the Quran (and or hadith)?

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Abu Bakr (RA) the father of Aisha (RA), was the first grown man to accept islam. He accepted it the very first year of revelation. Aisha's mother refused to enter islam with the whole family, so the parents were divorced. This left Aisha with her father. She must have been independent at that time, because she didnt need mom for any support. She was engaged to be married before the beginning of islam. But Islam started, and her father wanted to migrate to Ethiopia because the uslims were being oppressed, he wanted the family of the future husband to take their future wife from his hand.

They refused and because of his conversion, they called the who thing off. Fortunately, a man in Makka said he will support and proptect Abu Bakr. Well, islam lasted 13 years in makka, before migration to madina. Now tell me how is Aisha 9 in the second year of Migration, when she was alive 15 years of Islam plus the years she was alive before revelation? How is a woman engaged before marrying a different person much much later and you say she is 9, when she should be at least 17 to 21?

I did ask that you support your answer with scriptures. What account does Aisha herself give of when sexual relations started between her and Mohammed? Any scriptures that support your claims that Aisha was older than what she herself claimed in her account? I would think these scriptures are available online, why don't you just quote them in support of your claims? If you can show me those scriptures, I will admit that I have been wrong in concluding that Mohammed was a paedophile and I will add notes to my previous posts to show that my views are now different. I will have to start seeing Mohammed in a different light. You just disprove Aisha's account.[/Quote]The bold are worthy of greater explanation, even as I go to Taurah, Sabur and Injil, which you have in the Bible to support Quran, Muhammad's words (Hadith), my mother Aisha (RA) and me, in my saying that The Comforter will only obey as he is commanded by the Commander; The WORD of the Commander is therefore Pure; QURAN. There are people who heard the Another Comforter; Muhammad (AS), REPEAT what he heard and recorded it. He commissioned scribes to record it, each time it came. Copies were distributed or those who wanted to have it copied it. He the Another Comforter memorized it, used it, daily. He encouraged al his community to do exactly the same. There was an occasion in which he was correct of the exact word in recitation by a person in his community.

He was not arrogant like the one who had said when you see me you have seen God, when he knew he was a messenger sent. I do believe that that statement of God and me are exactly alive was thrown on him, because there is no one who was given revelation a message to deliver will ever say I am God, the Sender. Muhammad could have said to the person, what I recite is exactly what you must now recite (something to show that he was the leader). With this in your mind, Hadith must now be tested on its veracity foremost by its agreement with the verse[s] of the Quran which it relates. Aisha's so called Hadith must in the least be specific to the verses relating to Marriage, specifically the age of a one who is a wife, since we are talking about woman issue. Aisha (RA) being no exception from this gender and the prophet (AS) being the foremost example of noble conduct can not do less than what Quran commands on believers. Muhammad was actually restricted even more so by the Quran in Surah Azhab that he cant marry other wives, while I can marry all through my life as long as no time do I have more than 4.

It is therefore prudent when Muslims see hadith to analyze it so that it is calibrated as authentic, if it agrees with Quran, most importantly, and when it disagrees with Quran, you doknow that it is incorrect. This is similar to and it is exactly with how we, the muslims analyze your Biblical verses; One talking about One God, Jesus His servant sent, who must depend on that God because he is "Powerless", while on the other the talk is "Jesus is God himself, the master, most powerful and does everything". The question will be that we go back to Taurah and Sabur to support the part that God is One, Complete in all respects, without a need for anything, having human servants, created without mother or father, with father and mother, so it is not surprising that He created a servant with only mother because He is Capable and no one can challenge Him because He has All The Power[s]. We then relate this to what He says about Himself in the Quran, to know that it is true and the part in the New Testament talking about Jesus as anything other that servant is false.

Below is a verse of the age of marriage from the Quran:

Surah Nisa 4:6:

"Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is God in taking account."

From this verse, we can see that there is an age limit of marriage in Islam. The Arabic word used in this verse is "alnnikaha," (*) which some translators have translated as "puberty."

Surah Nisa 4:6: Shakir:

"And test the orphans until they attain puberty; then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and Allah is enough as a Reckoner."


Tafsir al-Jalalayn:

"Try, test, well the orphans, before reaching maturity with regard [the duties of] religion and [before] they can [legally] manage their own affairs, until they reach the age of marrying, that is, until they have become eligible for it through puberty or [legal] age, which, according to al-ShÄfiâÄ«, is the completion of fifteen years; then, if you perceive in them maturity, that is, right [judgement] in matters of religion and their property, deliver their property to them; consume it not, O guardians, wastefully, without due merit, and in haste, that is, hastening to expend it, fearing, lest they should grow up, and become mature, at which time you will be obliged to hand it over to them. If any man, who is a guardian, is rich, let him be abstinent, that is, let him abstain from the orphanâs property and refrain from consuming it; if he is poor, let him consume, of it, honourably, that is, in line with the wage for his work. And when you deliver to them, the orphans, their property, take witnesses over them, that they have received it and that you are absolved [of the obligation], so that if any dispute occurs, you are able to refer to a clear proof: this is a command [intended] for guidance. God suffices as a reckoner, as a guardian of His creaturesâ deeds and as a reckoner of these [deeds] (the bÄâ [in biâLlÄhi] is extra)."


Tafsir Ibn Abbas:

"(Prove orphans) test the intelligence of orphans (till they reach the marriageable age) the age of puberty; (then, if ye find them of) if you see that they possess (sound judgement) righteousness in Religion and a tendency to protect their wealth, (deliver over unto them their fortune) then give their wealth which is with you; (and devour it not squandering) it in transgression and unlawfully (and in haste) in haste lest the orphan grows older and consumes it little by little (lest they should grow up) for fear that they grow older and stop you from devouring their wealth. (Whoso (of the guardians) is rich) and needs not the orphan's wealth, (let him abstain generously) because of his richness from taking of the property of orphans, nor should he diminish anything from their wealth; (and whoso is poor) and needy (let him take thereof in reason (for his guardianship)) in measure, such that he is not in need for the wealth of orphans; it is also said that this means: he should take from the wealth of orphans in proportion with the measure of his work regarding this wealth; and it is also said that this means: he can take from the wealth of orphans as a loan to be paid back. (And when ye deliver up their fortune unto orphans) when they reach the legal age, (have (the transaction) witnessed in their presence) when you deliver it to them. (Allah sufficeth as a Reckoner) Allah suffices as a witness. This verse was revealed about Thabit Ibn Rifa'ah al-Ansari."

Seyibrown, I do not want you to accuse me of giving you only the roses of Islam and keeping the thorns away, since you asked if Iwill fantasizing about 6 and 9 year old girls. I do not fantasize about what does not agree with Islam, so a 26 and 19 year of [girls] ladies that are beautiful in Islam are my first choice, because a muslima has right of me being her husband first before I think of a keferi, which I will never do. Read the rest of age of marriage below and if it is less than reaching puberty, sue me in Nigeria, where you know I cant avoid going while I can ignore your England if I wish;

www.archive.org/details/RebuttleMuhammadsMarriageWithAisha - Cached

@Aletheia, This was written days ago, so I dont want it to ho to waste. Go to sleep. Which God does Muslim turn his back against; Father God (christmas is fast approaching and father christmas will be all over 9ja), son god, Ghost god? Which one(s)? Let your sister give us evasive evidential lectures. I asked her questions, all she has been doing is dancing around it. She is doing "ti ibile". She is forgetting that she is dealing with Imale; firm in their belief of ONE COMPLETE GOD. Unlike you, she is at least trying her best.


@Seyibrown: « #108 on: Today at 10:06:09 PM »
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My statement was not about the message. Please pay attention before I give you a fat F. My question was about Evidence is lacking that the Bible is word of God and nothing else. ead the bold in the first paragraph. Word of God was in Capital. Not message of the Bible.

The book is all about the message that the author intends to pass across. The Author is the Holy Spirit (who is the Spirit of God that knows the things of God). It is impossible to seperate the message from the book and it's author. The Bible contains the message God has sent to us. It is the WORD OF GOD (the message of God) to us.[/Quote]You finally got your FAT F grade. Word said by a person, is definitely different from what the message of the word is. I think it is not the seyibrown of you that is dialoguing here. It must be one of those many other personalities from the so many names you were given in the Isomoloruko ceremony of the yesteryear, long ago.

Let me share reality between exact word of a speaker and the message so that you can finally know why you got your F. Look at the exact word of Aletheia, in above post as I quote it word for word, below. That will be The "WORD OF ALETHEIA";

"Seyibrown: I hope you do realize that the people you are trying to have a discourse with know the truth and have rather chosen to wilfully and deliberately turn their backs on God. All's that left is to pray for them for nothing you write here will make them repent and turn to Jesus that they may be saved. God bless you."

The Bible is not WORD OF GOD like this above is WORD OF ALETHEIA. IF it is, proof it. Give evidence. If not, you have another Fat F for arguing blindly.

The message of the word of Aletheia will not be exactly like the word. Or are you saying that the Message which you call the Whole Bible is exactly the Word of God, message of the world and the word are exactly completely congruent? Then you have to tell me and everyone, the mindless part of the word and its mirror (message) have the Once upon a time parts, of "he said", "he went", etc and finally the works of the disciples in the "Acts", and opinions and ideas and instructions of people like Paul and others in the Books after Acts, are also words and messages of God. Please explain yourself.


[Quote]Jesus was there in the beginning with God. He is the word of God, without him nothing was made. He became flesh (came to earth).His name, Emmanuel means 'God with us'.[/Quote]Seyi. show me a verse in the Bible, where he was addressed as EMMANUEL in al of his 33 years, on the earth? Just one verse. Just one time he was called out, "Hey Emmanuel". Even his mother calling him, will be enough.If none is shown, know that this is yet another lie, from the Pages of "WORD of God". The idol worshiper's book of Ogun, etc will even be more accurate than this.

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seyibrown:
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Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds? Have you asked for the hand of any 6 year old in marriage yet? Will you marry your 6 year old daughter off to a 45 yr old man? Will you allow a 30 year old man to marry and have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter?

sweetnecta:
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I love women passionately. So I restrict my sexual interest to my wife. Now, tell me if a woman born in 1990 6 or 9 in 2009? talk to me about the birth of Aisha, relative to her father's accepting islam which brought the divorce of her parents because her mother refused to enter islam?

My question was very simple: Have you been fantasizing about any 6 or 9 year olds?[/Quote]What I look for in a woman, a 6 or 9 year old dont have "it". So your question, my answer is no. But why would you ask such a question?



[Quote]Will you allow a 30 year old man to have carnal knowledge of your 9 year old daughter?[/QUote]I am not a father of any daughter, so I dont know how fathers react to those who want their daughters for wife, since I dont subscribe to boy friend/grilfriend relatioship. I am naive about raising daughters the way I am thinking that bachelor jesus of the bible will be naive about being a husband or father.



[Quote]Given your partial answer, who is lying about the written account of the paedophilia?[/Quote]there is no account of pedophilia in Quran, hadith. Do you know the definition of pedophilia and who is a pedophile? Maybe you should ask MI5 or 6 of Scotland Yard. When you have them, please present them so that we can know who you are calling pedophiles by them.



[Quote]You, Aisha, or the Quran (and or hadith)?[/QUote]None of us. neither the lowly me, nor my mother Aisha (RA), now the Quran. If you have the verse of pedophilia in the Quran, please not be shy to reveal it or them. It will help christianity and damage Islam, I'm sure the world of christians and jews and hindus and sikhs will love you for it. I remember asking you the other time that a woman born in 1990 can not be 9 in 2008. I did not read your answer. So am asking you now, If Aisha's parents were divorced because the mom wanted to continue to worship idol, do you expect her to get pregnant and deliver Aisha, for a noble Muslim man Abu Bakr, while in the first year he was the first adult to enter Islam from outside the family of Muhammad (AS)?

And the earliest hijr to Abyssinia, Abu Bakr was ready to leave Makka, by handling over young Aisha [ who was already independent of Mom, the reason he was with her father], to her future husband's family. Imagine the crudest culture. How old do you think a child could be when she will not need her mother and her father was sure that she can survive being without him as well? Unborn, born and still suckling, 3 years old, older or what? yet this was the condition of Aisha, in either 1 st or 2nd year of revelation. Her future husband's family were still idol worshipers, the reason they broke the engagement by refusing to accept her.

She was not married to the prophet, until Khadijah (RA) died, and not less than a year or two, whereby islam was at least 12 years old in Makka and not until the 2nd year of Hijr, when islam was 15 years old before the marriage was consummated. Asma'a her older sister[RA] who the messenger gave the news of paradise just because she used part of her waist band to tie the food for Hijr of the messenger, is reported to be 10 years older than her, who was at least 14 years old when Islam of Muhammad began in Makka. Now, from hadith, we have litmus test that allows us to know if it is authentic; It will agree with Quran not disagreeing with it, what so ever. So,Seyi, are you ready to show me the verses of pedophilia and how you called a husband of a wife a pedophile because of her?



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Abu Bakr (RA) the father of Aisha (RA), was the first grown man to accept islam. He accepted it the very first year of revelation. Aisha's mother refused to enter islam with the whole family, so the parents were divorced. This left Aisha with her father. She must have been independent at that time, because she didnt need mom for any support. She was engaged to be married before the beginning of islam. But Islam started, and her father wanted to migrate to Ethiopia because the uslims were being oppressed, he wanted the family of the future husband to take their future wife from his hand.

They refused and because of his conversion, they called the who thing off. Fortunately, a man in makka said he will support and proptect Abu Bakr. Well, islam lasted 13 years in makka, before migration to madina. Now tell me how is Aisha 9 in the second year of Migration, when she was alive 15 years of Islam plus the years she was alibve before revelation? How is a woman engaged before marries a differen person much much later and you say she is 9, when she shouls be at least 17 to 21?

I did ask that you support your answer with scriptures. What account does Aisha herself give of when sexual relations started between her and Mohammed?[/Quote]No hadith can disagree with Quran and be correct. SO if something is wrong, we know it is only hadith by name and not truly a hadith. It is like your gods by name and none of them is truly God!



[Quote]Any scriptures that support your claims that Aisha was older than what she herself claimed in her account?[/Quote]She didnt write hadith. And the statement came from only one source. Something this important, since those who were in Makka and Madina witnessed the relationship and had not problems with it, including Jews and christians in Madina, it must have been acceptabe, and she mature to be a wife. You are a yoruba woman. You must have heard the word Balaga. It is an arabic word for those who are already at least reached the age of puberty. Aisha (RA) reached it before being married.



[Quote]I would think these scriptures are available online, why don't you just quote them in support of your claims? If you can show me those scriptures, I will admit that I have been wrong in concluding that Mohammed was a paedophile and I will add notes to my previous posts to show that my views are now different. I will have to start seeing Mohammed in a different light. You just disprove Aisha's account.[/QUote]Far from it. What I disprove is the account of those who "Quoted" her incorrectly. This site will help you. I wonder if this is her problem with the noble prophet and she will finally become Muslima?: www.islamicboard.com/, islam/40223-aishas-age-17-years-old-argument.html - Cached



[QUote]« #124 on: Yesterday at 01:16:03 PM »

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Give names and proofs. I read hadith and Quran. Muhammad (AS) said, in his family tree, from Adam to himself, there was no fornication or adultery. A man who was a virgin at 25 should not be taken as sexual deviant. How many men in their mid 20s that are virgins? If I am capable of no illegal sex, I wonder how my leader will be incapable? I do not do phone intimacy, video sex. And its common in this USA. And most of the women lobbying for it are christians. Good moral quality from daughters of God running after a slave like me, who is refusing them.

Please allow me to come back to this paragraph with scriptural proof that he had sex with women (and encouraged his counterparts/followers to do the same) captured on raids.[/Quote]You got it.



[Quote]« #125 on: Yesterday at 01:17:44 PM »

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And Jesus said he came to fulfill all of Moses's things. I wonder what Jesus did with the warss? Ah. he bought swords to prosecute his own, except the enemies were many and bold.

Any accounts of earthly wars started by Jesus during his 33 years?[/Quote]Then Jesus didnt "Fulfill" what he said he came to fulfill, of Moses and all the prophets of Old and their laws! Jesus didn't make good on his promise, then.



[Quote]« #126 on: Yesterday at 01:33:07 PM »

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I guess when Satan was playing with jesus, taking him on the cliff, passing a loaf of bread in from of hungry jessu, etc, Satan was not acting on anyone, say in another town? Or indeed around the world? How was Satan able to cajole jesus and managed to deal with less important people at the same time? Think about it. The joke is on you. Rather, christianity and Trinity.

The joke is rather on you who goes on hajj to stone satan[/QUote]Since we are following the Commandment of Allah, by sunnah of Ibrahim (AS), then you have to be bold to say who you think the Joke is on. Otherwise, we the muslims you must admit are on the right and firm path. Which sunnah is the carry of jesus by shaitan is? or the dangling of bread like a pedulum in front of him is? Or the asking him to prostrate that he will give him the world is? or the driving into the "Wilderness" to be troubled, why is the preaching in the wilderness? Oh. I get it. It is the sunnah of the person in his association that he should at "Get back from me, or get behind me, satan {Peter}"!




[Quote] when what you are going to look for in 'sokoto' is in your 'sokoto'. Satan is present in Nigeria(and everywhere), you do not have to go to hajj to stone him. Come to think of it, he should have been dead by now with the amounts of stoning he has received.[/QUote]Surah Araf is a good read so that you know why Satan is not dead, yet; All persons in mankind and Jinn will be seduced, except that believers will not fallfor it.You have been seduced,already and you fell for it, by saying God is 1of the three, where as human jesus is the second and a nameless ghost make the third in Trinity. I just tell you what THE ANOTHER COMFORTER lead me to, which should now be a correction for you, if you accept correction.



[Quote]Is Satan not a spirit? Spirits do not have the same physical limitations of man. Wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUote]She does not know the bold. If Satan is not a spirit, specifically from the specie of Jinn, as Adam has a human spirit specifically from mankind, tell me what Satan is?



[Quote] The Bible clearly tells us about the
weapons we use to fight satan and his followers:

2 Corinthians 10:4 (King James Version)
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

2 Corinthians 10:4 (New Living Translation)
4 [a]We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.

2 Corinthians 10:4 (New International Reader's Version)
4 The weapons I fight with are not the weapons the world uses. In fact, it is just the opposite. My weapons have the power of God to destroy the camps of the enemy.[/Quote]Lol. And jesus didn't teach you a thing about this, but it was Paul that did! Maybe paul is the another comforter, for you, since it is a proper name and he is leading you to all things, praising jesus, etc? No?



[Quote]Satan works in the spirit which then manifests in the flesh (where applicable), hence the need for any counteractions to be in the spirit, which is done through prayer by the power of God, by the authority we have in the name of Jesus. Stones thrown by human hands do not work against satan, sir.[/Quote]And jesus forgot to tell you and yet you can find authority in him? You fall for everything because you are standing on nothing, just like of ,my own power, I can do nothing.

[Quote]« #121 on: October 30, 2010, 03:40 AM »

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Someday, you will wake up and see that God needs no son. Read your post. You call jesus God. At the same time you call him son of God. I guess he was the ghost that got his mama pregnant. You know what they call that: similar to the myth of the boy who killed his father so that he can marry his mother.

Is it possible for you to have 3 or more of the below listed roles at any one point in time?

Father, Husband, Son, Cousin, Half-brother, Step-brother, Son-in-law, Father-in-law, Brother-in-law, Servant of NL Oil Plcl![/Quote]The bold will not be one of my descriptions.



[Quote]Will the fact that you are Biola's father exclude you from being Mr Christopher's son and Mrs Hamed's son-in-law and the Operations manager of NL Oil Plc? You are still the one and the same person![/Quote]Incidentally, if I end up in the hospital, a Biola's father, will Mr's Hamed's son-in-law not in the hospital, too or is he at home, as Mr. Christopher's son? Please answer the question, since I am all of those as you said.



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In heaven. A spirit, waiting for my time to be here on earth. Jesus wait was almost 2000 years less than mine. My wait is definitely less than that of my great, great, great garnd children, who will be here after I have left.

Great calculation! You say you were in heaven and waited some 2000 years more than Jesus! Jesus said he was in existence before Abraham was created! He was there at the beginning.[/Quote]I was there before Abraham was born, too. Jesus said born, not created. You and your slit of hands, playing magician.



[Quote]John 1:1-5 (King James Version)

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.[/Quote]And Genesis recorded something completely different. WHich one is wrong, while the other is wrong? A God's word, indeed, doing a 180 degree, all the way.



[QUote]John 1:14-15 (King James Version)
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

John 1:14-15 (King James Version)
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Jesus was there in the beginning with God. He is the word of God, without him nothing was made. He became flesh (came to earth).His name, Emmanuel means 'God with us'.[/Quote]Contraction; Genesis!



[QUote]« #122 on: October 30, 2010, 04:01 AM »

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Please, read the following scriptures to see what Jesus answered to the question of whether he was the King of the Jews.

John 18:33-37

33 Then Pilate entered the headquarters again, summoned Jesus, and asked him, “Are you the King of the Jews?”

34 Jesus answered, “Do you ask this on your own, or did others tell you about me?”

35 Pilate replied, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests have handed you over to me. What have you done?”

36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.”

Pilate asked him, “So you are a king?”

37Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”[/QUote]Is this your best shot, proof that he is a king, like ambassador without portfolio? Let read Luke 1 verses 31 to 33 and see which is right and which is wrong when we contrast it to above John verse. Shall we?

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end

Has the jews allowed him verses 32 and 33, or they are saying of Biblical Gabriel, unfulfilled? You said that he was not to be a king on earth in John, while Luke said he must be the king on earth. Who is the liar, John or Luke, or both? For sure they cant be both right. Seyibrown may come with another magic, a game she plays to fit Luke and John as both right. Lets go.



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You will agree that each time they ask Jesus, if he was sure or had an asnwer, he spoke directly to the question. I wonder why he is wobbly here? maybe he did not have an answer? I suspect he was not a king, since in his 33 years on earth, they called him a king, but he never mounted a throne. If he were, where is the throne? Even in heaven, from the Bible, there is One Throne and that belongs to Yahweh. He was not a king on earth,and not in heaven, either. I remember that the satan was telling him that he was given the whole of the world. jesus response was similar as the above. He was undecided.

Your usual habit of turning truth that stares you in the face on it's head. The Scripture clearly shows what Jesus answered to the question. He said his Kingdom was not of this world. Kings rule over kingdoms.[/Quote]Then Jesus answer contradicted what Angel Gabriel told Mary in Luke 1 verses 32 and 33, above. Please explain, why?



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I wonder what the use of Swords and the Bags that they purchase? You need to explain why sell all your cloths to buy ammonition, if you wish to live to tell the story?

There is no record of Jesus carrying or using any of the weapons in the Bible.[/Quote]But you dont know what was so important that he insisted they sell their cloths, except what they were wearing so that they can have money to purchase the SWORDS?



[Quote]People buy guns everyday for their own personal protection in America; how many wars have those people who buy them started?[/Quote]They buy guns for distinct purposes, from hunting to protection of properties, to preparation of war, even as Militias. Purchases of instruments of war isnot without its intention, so I ask, what was the intention when Jesus asked his followers to purchase it? Not for the miracles of restoring the ear of the sentry, because 1 sword would have been enough if it was. Lol.



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You are married woman. The man and you expect Children. Whose name do they bear? WHose bloods do they carry? Arent you a happier woman when you have children? Now tell me about the children of jesus, and who carries his name by blood? Sorry he is God, he does not have to have children. No sex, because thats beneath God. However, Muhammad (AS) was a prophet like every prophet who married. I know John didnt.

Children do not make one's life complete! Some children betray or kill their parents. One's life is only complete with the one who never leaves or forsake - God Almighty. Many people have proved that you can live life to its fullest without children.[/Quote]And your relationship with Him then must be what he laid down, correctly. Christianity is not it. Go to the Quran, before it is to late.

[QUote]« #118 on: October 30, 2010, 01:37 AM »
Quote from: bashy_demy on October 30, 2010, 01:22 AM
Hey where did you get this your rubbish from any proof for that?

If you are really follwing this thread, you should ask Sweetnecta, ask Mohammed and consult the Quran as to why 'Maryam' is the greatest of all women. I only followed what the aforementioned assert in arriving at my conclusion. Please correct me if the Quran does not say that Maryam is the greatest of all women.[/Quote]But it does not say her son (AS), is the greatest of all men! If you have it from the Quran or even from the mouth of Jesus in the Bible, please present it. The children of Israel are infinitesimal among the varied races and hues among mankind. Muhammad (AS) happens tobe the greatest of all creations. And when you want me proof it; The another comforter is in your Bible,and plenty of materials about Muhammad (AS) are in the Quran.



[Quote]« #119 on: October 30, 2010, 02:24 AM »

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While the Bible recorded Jesus as God, we heard from the mouth of jesus that he was a servant sent. Muhammad (AS) said exactly the same thing, when people are saying jesus was God. I am even correcting you right here, right now to stop the madness of trinity. But you will not listen. I am on theside of Muhammad. You claim you are n=on the side of Jesus, but then you made him a god, when he said he was a servant? Who is wrong here, you or jesus? I already answered the rest in What the former Comforter left for another comforter to teach the believers. But of course, you are not going to tell me a thing the ghost correct you on, taught you that Jesus never taught, guided you into that jesus didnt. can you tell me a book I can read them from?

I answered this in post # 24 on page 1 of this thread. Jesus said other things, why believe one thing but not the other things he said.[You didn't. If you thought you did, it was only in your mind and the singular issue, if nothing else that betrays the lie of Godship of Jesus came from the mouth of Jesus himself " I am a servant sent". Seyi, you cant beat that. I will ignore his many prayers, his crying,weeping to the point that his disciples noted it (we muslims weep at night in prayers, too, when you supplicate the Almighty in darkness, standing up,bowing and prostrating yourself), that he was in difficulty and seeking the Aid of the One Whose Help should be sort. Muhammad (AS) went to heaven and beyond and came back in a part of a single night. Yet he is only a messenger, a human messenger to all. God never sent a celestarl being like Angel to mankind, but man the same kind as mankind, his audience are always the ones sent.



[Quote]Your father sending you to give a message to some people does not make you an houseboy.[/Quote]It does not make me my father, either. Everyone knows who the father is, and who the pretender is. You know who your husband is. He is the father of your children. The man you ran to prepare his food, the other day. Everyone knows who the pretender is; Almuhandis, in somewhere in Nigeria, while your Oko and you are in England.



[Quote]To the ones who you are bringing the message, you are the son of your father, 'the bearer of the message' (messenger), and the one who carries out the wishes of your father(servant, in that respect) but it doesn't bring you to the level of your houseboy at all![/QUote]My father is the husband of my mother, just like your husband is the father of your children. And we know that if your children were to say that they are children of pretender Almuhamdis, we will agree that the children are liars. Now tel me how Jesus is the son of Yahweh, again?



[Quote]I have not published a book on what the Holy Spirit has said to me or corrected me on yet but there are people who have published what the Holy Spirit has told them. I will reserve a copy for you when I write that first book! The Holy Spirit helped me see why it is important to examine my motives for doing anything. Specific example:The Holy Spirit put me right on 'Adult toys'. The Holy spirit clarifies things that I do not understand when I ask him.[/QUote]I submit to you that there is no such a book in your future, or such a book exist, anywhere. maybe with the mega church owners, fleecing you all, if they are not homosexuals, already. Am sure some NL women are disappointed when they heard about the macho man preacher running after male hinnies!



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Is that name jesus or holy ghost? If not are those titles? clue, clue, clue>>>>Allah Al Qahar (The God Who is Irresistible).

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Please list 3 of the 99 names of Allah so I can use them to explain better to you.[/Quote}The Irresistible. The Everliving. The Never Dying. The Only Sustainer. The ord of the Day of Judgment. The fashioner. The Recreator. The Creator. The Only Giver. The Restrictor.

Ar-Rahim (the merciful), Al-Malik(the King, the Master,), Al-Jabbar(the Compeller, the Lofty), Al-Khāfid (the abaser)etc all refer to Allah.

Jehovah Jireh >> God my provider
Jehovah Nissi >> The Lord our Banner (our cover, our means of victory)
El- Shaddai >> God Almighty
Jehovah Rophi >> God Who Heals
Jehovah Shalom >> LORD is Peace
Eloi simply means God.[/Quote]While Allah is the ONLY Bearer, your gods are three. Is the life of a servant with three masters he has to serve at the same time as comfortable (here comes the Comforter making it easy), as the servant that has a Master Who he is accessable to without installing a medium?



[QUote]I hope you will now understand when christians refer to God using a title or description that is not in English. Eloi, Yahweh, Jehovah or El-shaddai refers to the same person.[/Quote]I only hope that before you night in this life that you see that there is no strength in three gods, sharing a single throne.



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Moses was the scripture as you call the Bible.
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If it makes you happy, live in your lies of the bold. A person who couldnt do anything by his own power wouldnt rise if he died, you know. When he begged (read your Bible for clarity), God will not allow them to kill him, so how could he have risen, when he didnt die, but just got "mashed up (jamaican lingo)"?
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This is poor thinking. If you use Corinthians to support jesus, then did the writer of Corinthians know Jesus, being his disciple? Lets leave this till sometime in the future. I though Jesus ended the issue by Gospel? Oh. he didnt. he left it to the Another Comforter. How did this comforter memorialize his teaching, his correction, his reminding? Show e a book I can read it in so that you got it in a latter generation. If I remember correctly, jesus was talking to those disciples, alone, if you wanna go there. I am already there and you cant pick and chose, but must be consistent in this matter. You can say those people received the ghost, and you are receiving it now, since Jesus didnt say it like that, it must be your own makeup.

Moses did not raise the dead!{/Quote]Sure he did in Surah Baqarah. Even rotten bone of dead Elisha raised the dead. If rotten bone of Elisha can do it, why do you doubt Moses? You just dont know because the Bible didnt say it; an incomplete book will provide incomplete guidance.



[Quote]Yes, Moses was their physical guide.

He died, conquered the grave and resurrected. He is alive, that is why when we ask in his name, we receive! I explain more in post # 113 on this same page.[/QUote]Seyibrown, I think you are a delight, so I will thread softly here. What have you received in his name and why millions who are hard nosed Christians never received? Please grow a limb for a British soldier who lost one in the on going war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Will you since you are supposed to do greater "Work".



[Quote]The comforter did not need to read a book. The comforter knows the mind of God because he is the spirit of God. The comforter already knows what message needs to be passed on[/Quote]You are not listening to Jesus then. If you do, you could easily tell me what the Another Comforter led the disciple to, and from, what new things he taught, etc. The Another Comforter was supposed to deal only with the disciple and you are not one. Or did you live back then and stillremain alive? If this is the case, you are better than Jesus. Why are you not claiming god, too?



[Quote]« #120 on: October 30, 2010, 03:26 AM »

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Allah says that a time has come when people will be trooping into islam. It is happening today. Allah says Rome will defeat Parsia. It happened. Allah says Abu Lahab will die a disbeliever. Thats what happened 10 years later. Allah says Makka will be won. It happened like that. Allah says Makka is only for believers. The Saudi has her headquarters in Rihayd, so that no non muslim is invited to enter Makka. Allah says Masjid Aqsa. At that time it was ruin. Today A mosque named Aqsa is standing there. Are you satisfied? Allah says there will be people like you who envy, deride Muhammad, islam, etc. There are many of you on Nairaland. A christian friend of mine in DC was talking to me the other day he said the Muslims knocks their heads on the floor. I ignored his ignorance because in all the years I have been muslim, I have never knocked my head on the floor. Touching gently is knocking in the eye of the disbelievers. I understand that.

Thanks for providing the prophecies. I will look into it. About your friend, I too know people who call christians 'apatewo mu garri', doesn't offend me one bit. Glad you put it down to his ignorance. This world would be a better place if many people put a lot of things people say down to ignorance instead of putting a price on their head or call for them to be killed for saying things that they believe to be true.[/QUote]And declare Crusade all over again, saying their God is inferior to the god that sent his son to die for the sin of some who shall end up, even after that in Lake of Fire!



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And dad in Nigeria who sired you will be proud of you rejecting him for somebody who does not share mom's bed. Your husband will be happy to know that the children you have for him now belong to an entity who did not keep you up some part of the nights. Good reasoning.

My dad doesn't see God as his riva[/b]l.[/Quote]WHo do you inherit Christendom from? He is in the same boat as you.



[Quote] He knows that what he as an earthly father cannot do for me, my heavenly father - [b]who is also his own heavenly father - will do for me.[/QUote]I hear you. Mom already sign in on being the wife of the heavenly father, I bet since you are a daughter of the heavenly father, and the daughter of the earthly mother. This story is very similar to the sons of God sees the daughter of men and got them all pregnant. Lol.



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And jesus said "of my own power I can do nothing". Seyibrown, I now ask you where did he get the power to make you God's son? I say its a fake. You christians are status crazy. You remind of the man who married his daughter "illegally" to a senator. He wants elevation of his status in the community.

John 3:31-36 (Amplified Bible)31He Who comes from above (heaven) is [far] above all [others]; he who comes from the earth belongs to the earth, and talks the language of earth [his words are from an earthly standpoint]. He Who comes from heaven is [far] above all others [far superior to all others in prominence and in excellence].[/QUote]You ignoring the verse of "I'm powerless", says Jesus, will not make it go away. You are stuck with it in your Bible. It kills the idea of Jesus as anything but a messenger at best which the Jew denied him.



[Quote] 32It is to what He has [actually] seen and heard that He bears testimony, and yet no one accepts His testimony [no one receives His evidence as true].

33Whoever receives His testimony has set his seal of approval to this: God is true. [That man has definitely certified, acknowledged, declared once and for all, and is himself assured that it is divine truth that God cannot lie].

34For since He Whom God has sent speaks the words of God [proclaims God's own message], God does not give Him His Spirit sparingly or by measure, but boundless is the gift God makes of His Spirit![/Quote]A thinking person who ask who is speaking here? That person will know that for sure it is not God that is speaking, hence it is not the word of God, no how no way Jose. From the bold, "heard, God is true, He whom God has "sent". . . proclaiming God's message will know that God is different from he whom God has sent. Incidentally, God sent many, including Adam without a father or mother, Noah, and many others including Moses, and indeed Muhammad (AS), who at least sent to Arabs, and tribes and ethnic persuasions of his followers/companions (RA).



[Quote] 35The Father loves the Son and has given (entrusted, committed) everything into His hand.[/Quote]Yet when Satan told him "look here, I am the owner of the world, bow down to me and its all us", Jesus didn't say anything that you said here that he is already the owner. He kept quite and let Satan run him around. It seems to me that the Bible writers by Jesus behavior around Satan, are liars.



[Quote] 36And he who believes in (has faith in, clings to, relies on) [b]the Son [/b]has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see (experience) life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him. [God's displeasure remains on him; His indignation hangs over him continually.[/QUote]There is a saying in America since there are many bastards, we say Papa maybe. So this is the case here, above. Mom is not the wife, the son is a bastard and has no "INHERITANCE".



[Quote]From the above scripture (said by Jesus himself), Jesus has the power to make me God's child because God has put everything in his power.[/QUote]And from this "Of my own power, I can do nothing", opposes all that you put up there. SO the assignment for you is this"Which one is incorrect"?[/quote][/quote]

@Aletheia: « #114 on: October 30, 2010, 01:06 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: seyibrown on October 30, 2010, 12:01 AM
Why did Mohammed say Maryam the mother of Jesus was the best of all women? Something greater than anything done through any other woman was done through maryam. If Mohammed was talking by 'revelation' like you say, surely it means Mohammed admitted that 'Maryam' was better than his own mother. The aspect of Mary's life that makes her different from all other women is that she gave birth to JESUS CHRIST. If Mary was greater than Mohammed's mother because of the great thing that was done through her, It then follows that 'the great thing done through her' JESUS CHRIST is greater than Mohammed! By your very own admission, you do know and see the truth but will not accept it.[/b]

quod erat demonstrandum!

Awake, my soul, and sing of him who died for thee![/Quote]Oh dead soul (Aletheia, O keeron lowo mi. Ma fi oju keferi e ri denden, laiye, ko to wo ino apadi. Lol), I already gave a comprehensive answer about the position of the woman whose son is stationed in the second heaven with cousin Yahya (AS Jami'a). Seyibrown, the "Muhammad admitted" above is uncalled for, because no one forced him (AS) to "admit". He was commanded, as in "What he hears, he shall speak to all". "He shall lead you to all things". "He will glorify me (You cant glorify a person better than restore his mother to a position of envy).


@bashy_demy (m): « #115 on: October 30, 2010, 01:22 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: seyibrown on October 30, 2010, 12:01 AM
[Why did Mohammed say Maryam the mother of Jesus was the best of all women? Something greater than anything done through any other woman was done through maryam. If Mohammed was talking by 'revelation' like you say, surely it means Mohammed admitted that 'Maryam' was better than his own mother. The aspect of Mary's life that makes her different from all other women is that she gave birth to JESUS CHRIST. If Mary was greater than Mohammed's mother because of the great thing that was done through her, It then follows that 'the great thing done through her' JESUS CHRIST is greater than Mohammed! By your very own admission, you do know and see the truth but will not accept it.[/b][/color][/size]

Hey where did you get this your rubbish from any proof for that?[/Quote]It is truly a rubbish if the condition of mother directly translates to the condition of child, or vice versa. We wil therefore have Ibrahim (AS) the father of faith differently from what he is. This Kiriyos dont really use their Macarroni. Will Musa's mother not better than Maryam since Musa was the "human savior" of the whole children of Israel, whilethe same children of Israel the christian say killed god Jesus, and the jews never the christians forget it that if they get their hands on Jesus again, it will be on as before and this time,they will not let anyone take him off the post!


@Almuhandis: « #116 on: October 30, 2010, 01:32 AM »
{Quote]Quote from: seyibrown on October 30, 2010, 12:01 AM
Jesus completed the work he was here to do. The Holy Spirit (the comforter, the counsellor, the guide, the reminder, the corrector, the convicter, the teacher) took over from there.

Jehovah loved us so much he gave his 'arm' for our salvation. He is not limited to communicating through a book. He is not limited from coming to his creation in the form of his creation. He communicates with his children all the time through his Spirit.

You are the one who is si sure that God rejected Jesus' plea, hence my asking you to tell me why.

Why did Mohammed say Maryam the mother of Jesus was the best of all women? Something greater than anything done through any other woman was done through maryam. If Mohammed was talking by 'revelation' like you say, surely it means Mohammed admitted that 'Maryam' was better than his own mother. The aspect of Mary's life that makes her different from all other women is that she gave birth to JESUS CHRIST. If Mary was greater than Mohammed's mother because of the great thing that was done through her, It then follows that 'the great thing done through her' JESUS CHRIST is greater than Mohammed! By your very own admission, you do know and see the truth but will not accept it.

if you your 3D hyper intelligence was human Shocked Shocked now i would have asked you to marry me so i can produce another hyper in our P1 as we say in genetics,and if you refuse to marry me, Grin I would have then paid the suicide bombers to kidnap you and extract an egg from you. Cool Unfortunately wgat you wrote in bold ink was not carnal(bios) but was revealed to you by the HS.shukran! Alaanisa seyibrown shukran jiddan.Alleluia Alleluia Alleluia.[quote][/Quote]The cousin of Iblis is in the house. Yoo Aljannu. This is the maximyou will get from me. (Alaanisa?).

[Quote]« #112 on: October 30, 2010, 12:01 AM »
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I thought that was over with jesus? Sorry Jesus didnt complete it, so he gave it to another comforter. You are now saying that even the Biblical another comforter did bad job as well? No wonder you cant show even anything the another comforter said, and a book of reference so that I can read his "correction, teaching and reminding".

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Correct. Everliving God does not have a child. What will be the purpose? But this Everliving God communicated in written book form and whoever follow the latest will certainly by that road map reach success; paradise (InshaAllah).

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You should tell me. If God did reject it, it is absolute the litmus that jesus was not even a prophet. Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Inside the what he supplicated to God. God did not let him die. No damaged to his eyes, and other sensitive organs and parts, except scrapes on his skin. Jonah is less of a prophet, according to how you label jesus, a god in your eye. A bigger God rejected his prayer/supplication/request of not wishing to die. An his cry on the hanging tree is a proof that I did not make it up. he complained. Read your Bible and tell me, answer your own question, lady.

Jesus completed the work he was here to do. The Holy Spirit (the comforter, the counsellor, the guide, the reminder, the corrector, the convicter, the teacher) took over from there.[/Quote]Am just wondering to myself, if this ady called Seyibrown thinks by the bold, she answered the above? Let us address the bold regardless. Here are the prescribed jobs of the Another Comforter as prophesied by Jesus; The Another Comforter which is the "Holy Spirit, even the Spirit from God" shall "say" all he shall hear from God, shall correct you (the disciples and no one else, if Seyibrown wants me to be specific, but she can challenge me with evidence, if she thinks I have erred) of all your wrongs or deviations [from whatever I have have told you],shall lead you to all things that I did not lead you to which are new in this case and shall glorify me and remain with you forever, as I Jesus remain with you.

Please tell me what did the ghost hear from God that he said to the disciples? Book of reference, please.
What is it that that they erred in or on so quickly that the ghost had to correct them on or in?Examples from the book of reference, please.
What is it that is new that the ghost led the disciples in? Give me the usual; examples from the book. I will like to read it, for myself.
How did the ghost glorify Jesus? Example and the book, since I want to be sure to come to christianity, so I need to read the proofs, personally!
How did Jesus remain with the disciples forever? How is the ghost remaining with the disciple forever, even now? Show me, Oluwaseyi.

Caution; If you duck the question, InshaAllah, obver a billion people will read this before I die.I ask Allah to make many of them Muslims because of your failure to defend your holy ghost and correctly identify the spirit, man who God sent after Jesus. Amin. Rabbana Takabbal minal Dua. Amin.



[Quote]Jehovah loved us so much he gave his[b] 'arm' for our salvation[/b]. He is not limited to communicating through a book. He is not limited from coming to his creation in the form of his creation. He communicates with his children all the time through his Spirit.[/Quote]Lol. You are so funny.The bold is classic. Now, jesus didnt promise the communication without recording it in the book first, since the authority who saw and knew him, the disciples took the pain to record what he said, in the "Gospel according to. . . . "?  You are talking without evidence here.



[Quote]You are the one who is si sure that God rejected Jesus' plea, hence my asking you to tell me why.[/Quote]You said he died. Didnt you? Didnt Jesus asked that he be saved? WHy is a God if he is really a God begging another God? Why? This is truly an endictment against Biblical Jesus.



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The bold is a proof that Muhammad was talking "revelation". Why would a man says that the mother of another man is the best of all women? A woman from a different tribe at that? Imagine that, since the jews think that the Arabs are nothing? Listen Seyibrown, there is no way I will say any woma is better than my mother, except of God commanded me to say it. Even to my wife, I tell her my mother is my first love, the greatest love of my life. And I tell my wife that her mother should be the greatest thing in her life, too.

Why did Mohammed say Maryam the mother of Jesus was the best of all women? Something greater than anything done through any other woman was done through maryam. If Mohammed was talking by 'revelation' like you say, surely it means Mohammed admitted that 'Maryam' was better than his own mother. The aspect of Mary's life that makes her different from all other women is that she gave birth to JESUS CHRIST. If Mary was greater than Mohammed's mother because of the great thing that was done through her, It then follows that 'the great thing done through her' JESUS CHRIST is greater than Mohammed! By your very own admission, you do know and see the truth but will not accept it.[/QUote]Let me say the things you do not know about Maryam, mother of Jesus. You will never find it in your Bible, but on the pages of Surah Imran (Chapter 3) of the Quran. Her mother was a family member of Zachariyah (AS). She wanted a son for the worship of God, to serve in their place of worship. When she delivered a daughter, Maryam, she was disappointed, like many who wanted a boy for whatever reason. She disappointedly dedicated her to the house of God, saying "my God I have delivered a baby girl, so I ask you to protect her and her offspring from the accursed satan (Used to be called Iblis from the specie of Jinn). So her care fell into the hand of Zachariyah. She lived in the hose of God, dedicated to its care. Something phenomenal happened to her; in the winter time, she will have the fruits of Summer. In the Summer she will ahve that of winter. It was a means of sign from her Lord. Based on this, Zachariyah who was advanced in age was inspired to pray for a son to carry on the prophetic lineage, hence the birth of John.

The very first menstrual period of Maryam arrived as a young woman. When it was over, she had to take the Shower that will return her to normal house of God routine. On her way to the place for the shower, appeared to her Malaika Jibril (AS). She was fearful for he was a strange man, who suddenly appeared from nowhere. She sort the protection of God if the man was to harm her. Jibril assured her he wasan Angel of God, sent to tell her of a Messenger and Prophet of God to be born through her. You should read the rest in Surah Maryam. It is a beautiful Surah, especially since you as a woman can understand the plight of a sudden appearance of a man in the back alley way when you are the only person there. If you think because Maryam is made the best of the women of the world because of her son, then tell me why is Asia (Ashiawu in yoruba language) is next to her, especially when her husband is Fir'awn of Musa (AS) era and he perish in the  sea, while he impaled her on a stick to her death? Please explain this to me, and what will the mother of Father of faith, Ibrahim (AS)be especially when she was a fire worshiper and her son is beloved to all the three monotheistic faiths each claiming him? This simply means that Mary being declared as the best of all women, mean not more that a revelation on her, since, finally Muhammad (AS) whose mother died before he was even 7 years old is the only one sent to the whole world, while he was alive he made good of it by having from his companions (RA), individuals representing every good of mankind on earth and had the conviction to write every ruler of every empire at the time to accept Islam, declaring that it is the only religion ordained by God the Creator Who has no partner, and he, Muhammad (AS), is the Messenger of God to all mankind. By this, in the long run, Al Nagashi (RA) the king of The Greatest Empire of Africa, Ethiopia, became muslim and died on the way to seeing Muhammad. Immediately the prophet (AS) organized the prayer of unseen (Salatul Ghaib) instead of the prayer of seen (SAlatul janazah) for him. Tell me who of the world leaders followed Jesus? Tel me which of Jesus's disciples was not a chilld of Israel?

Tell me how Jesus is messenger to the whole world, without an African in his flock, while Muhammad is for arabs or not even a messenger and Bilah bin rabah (RA) represents Africans, Salman Al Farsi (RA) represents Asia, Shuaib Al Rum (RA) represents Europe, Abdullah Abdulsalaam (RA) represents the children of Israel, and we of course have  arabs?



[Quote]« #113 on: October 30, 2010, 12:46 AM »

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While man id not body and soul and spirit, but body and soul [spirit], it is almost absurd to use this as your basic argument for Trinity, a clearly 3 different entities. When man is alive, is his soul or his spirit still in the womb of the mother where he resided before birth? Or is his spirit and or his soul still with God who created them? Or his spirit and or soul still in the egg or spermatozoa in the body of mother and father respectively? Are either the spirit and or soul away from the person, if he were to be called a living man? When a man dies, his soul or his spirit leaves his body that is now lifeless. When you said Jesus died, did Yahweh and Ghost not died with son? Did they remain behind and what happened to Trinity? That concept must have vanished just as well. No? Please explain what happened to the 3 God heads at that time. I dont care about other times, but just that brief time you said Jesus was killed; Did Trinity (3 god heads remained, and each full of complete God? ETC).

Jesus did not just die; He DIED and RESURRECTED on the third day! God and his spirit can not die because they are eternal. You very well do know that the man can only kill the body. JESUS died for three days.[/QUote]Could it have been that a man who called himself a servant, who also spent night and day begging God that he does not want to die, finally got his wish, if he were a prophet,that God answered his prayer,since an Angel (Jibril AS) was sent to support him, so that he did not die after all,but made to look so in the eyes of those who would do him harm? Why would a God be begging another God who sent mere Angel to support this God? I wish you know how the Jews calculate their day; sundown to the next sundown. Calculate three days and three nights forme from Friday evening to Sunday morning?



[Quote]God did not die, the Holy Spirit did not die. JESUS DID NOT REMAIN IN THE GRAVE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT KILL ANY PART OF GOD.[/Quote]You are able to give me a name "jesus", the ghost that is so protected so much has no name! Seyi. Oje rora pelu iro nla nla yi. A part of God was begging another part of God, before the part begged sent His angel to support the part which was begging? Who is the Angel of jesus, snce we know the Angels of God include Gabriel,Michael,and uncountable pool of angels? If your child were to come from school with this type of story to you, that some friend in boarding school went to upper class man, who make him cut the grass behind the dorm. Before that, he had boasted that he was equal to the upper class man who now made to eat his words by sending him in the hot june midday heat to the field. If your child was in the first form, will you not tell him that the sign that the boy who was sent to cut the grass being not equal to the one who sent him to do it, are many and not limited to just not being in the same classroom. But it includes the fact that he will never be able to make the one who sent him to cut the grass do the same. The authority over the one subordinate is one directional. Yet this example is only a similitude, but inferior to God's Absolute Authority over Jesus, His servant whom He sent to the Jews, for the last time from among them, before turning to the other branch of the family tree of Ibrahim (AS), to choose the last Messenger and Prophet for the whole world, for the very first time.



[Quote]His death on the cross and being in the grave for three days was to accomplish the work of salvation.[/Quote]Seyi, you can do addition. Calculate 3 days, to include three days and three nights, for me, starting from Friday evening befor sunset to sunday morning before sunrise. If you get 3 days of the gregorian calender, calculate it in the jewish lunar calculation of sundown to the following sundown to make a day? A cave is not a grave. A grave is always dug, and dirt is put on the deceased. A cave at best is a dugout, like where the baseball players sit during game, between innings. I wonder why a jewish woman or women will put oil on the body of a dead jew? Lol. I say the servant didn't die. he just got hurt and aching from the serious beating.



[Quote]When the work was finished, that which is only possible by the Spirit of God happened, THE ONE THAT WAS DEAD CAME BACK TO LIFE! Glory to God! That which man thought was impossible happened. That which the Devil did not expect happened. Jesus not only died and ressurected, he took away the power of death![.Quote]ANd today, the Christians die. Just this year, Oral Roberts died. Seyi. May God make you live a long life. Amin. Yet after all my prayer for you, you will die. So what did Jesus really accomplish, except that you live a euphoric life of lies making him a god? The man collapsed. They dragged him off to a cave. They nursed him to health and you claim that he died and came back to live after rendering  death powerless, yet he didn't remain on earth, he was lifted up by God, saving him from those who would do him harm, and christians still die. Now tell me the rational of your claims? What ground are you saying any of these, all of it, I ask you?



[Quote]It was predicted in the Old testament:

Hosea 13:14 (King James Version)
14I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.[/Quote]Grave Jesus did not go into. No grave dug.No dirt put on him, different condition as Jonah was swallowed by a whale, swimming to the depth of the sea, yet Jonah was alive, supplicating to Allah thus"Laa ilaha anta. Subhannaka, inni kuntum minal dhulimin". If Jesus was a true prophet of Yahweh, his condition would have been exactly as he said "my sign will be like the sign of Jonah", when they asked him for a sign.



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Even though it is stated that there is a stage in the pregnancy that the soul and the record of the child is brought, there is encouragement of termination fo pregnancy. It is clear that the life of the mother is more important than the life of the unborn. If the life of the mother is in danger, common sense dictates that she should be saved over the baby, if one has to die. Further if a woman is despoiled, by whoever (And I ask God Who is the Only Protector, to protect everyone from this evil situation. Amin), if she does not want the baby, who should force her, under any decency or moral compass? Lets say she was ganged despoiled as thieves broke into her home. Shall we now force her to be a mother to a child from evil act?
I am a conservative muslim. We are supposed to be morally balanced.

God made Adam from dust and breathed life into him; He made Eve from Out of Adam. 'Adam's seed' met with 'Eve's seed' and a third human was born. Spermatozoa will not become a baby on its own, neither will an ovum. When spermatozoa fertilizes the ovum, a new beginning is born. Life starts at the point of that fusion. The fertilised ovum, if it completes the gestation period, will grow into a full human body. When you kill a man, you disconnect his body from the 'driving force', you destroy that 'vessel' that contains the person, you cut their journey short. When you get rid of a fertilized ovum, you cut the journey of that 'container' short.

I will choose obedience to God at all times and let God take care of the consequences. Having a child from despoil does not spoil one's life. Yes, people might say things behind your back, but it is your standing with God that matters, not your standing before men. God gives us double compensation for any shame we suffer (Isaiah 61:7)!

I am not a conservative muslim. I examine every motive or action of mine under the microscope of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God.[/QUote]May God not make it happen to any woman. Amin. A scenario, based on the bold; A mad man raped a woman. She almost lost her life. She survived. This was her first sexual experience. The community learned about it. Seyi, are you saying that the woman should carry the baby to full pregnancy, because it is Godly? Your religion does enslave and gives no room to common sense. O ga fun eyin Kiriyo, shaa. No wonder that your men always absorb you and take away your maiden names.[/quote]

[Quote]« #110 on: October 29, 2010, 10:43 PM »

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? Check your Bible. A person that will be eaten by lion will be eaten by lion if he went to serengetti and puts himself in danger. A believer who was thrown into the den of hungry lion, if Allah Will his protection, the lions will behave like house cats.

Sire, If man will punished for murdering a man and a Lion will not, it means there is something present in humans that is not present in animals despite both being living beings/ living souls that make them accountable. Man is Body, Soul and Spirit; animals are just body and soul. You are accountable to God because you have a spiritual part.[/Quote]Every living thing, infact every creation has its soul or spirit. Just because you dont know it exists does not make it non existing. You couldn't proof against it. Muslim on the other hand can give you evidence of Jesus being a servant and not God. We can give you evidence it is an Angel of the name Jibril (AS) that you mislabeled and misidentified as the third of God, along Jesus the servant of God, even as you call God your father, we can tell you He is not your father but your Creator.



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If the Bible is 100% without any doubt the word of God, should there be opinion of anyone in there? Should it have been less that 100% from God, as we have in Quran; God alone talking?

You have still not given me the 'opinions' of Paul that is causing you some confusion about how to live 'your' christian life! Give me the opinions of Paul that are causing you problems or stopping you from believing the Bible. I doubt you will because we both know that Pauls' 'opinions' are not the reason why you do not believe Jesus.[/Quote]Lol. Seyibrown has a funny bone in her body. She reminds me of the Eleguns of Egbaland. They will ask you the same question, or lead you to themselves with the same candor, but road to perdition of hell. Lady, my Islam is good enough. I am clean, happy and no that I do not have to Paa aba (tent) meta. Allah the Almighty is Solely Capable. Our argument is about the "100%" word of God. You know thats not true, even if you look at the Gospel, itself or you venture to the Acts. You will not but see descriptions of journeys, and actions of man. And it is not God that is talking about them.


@aletheia (m): « #111 on: October 29, 2010, 11:27 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: bashy_demy on October 29, 2010, 09:10 AM
. . .maybe the same Holy Ghost that fornicate with mary. . .
^^^
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BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT – THE UNPARDONABLE SIN

Matthew 12:31 (Amplified Bible)

31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy (every evil, abusive, injurious speaking, or indignity against sacred things) can be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the [Holy] Spirit shall not and cannot be forgiven.
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Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the WILLFUL and CONTINUAL rejection of God's Spirit, refusing to acknowledge him, attributing evil to him, giving glory due to him to another, cursing him and wilfully degrading things relating to God TILL DEATH. When you die in this state, there is no pardon!

@Seyibrown: I hope you do realize that the people you are trying to have a discourse with know the truth and have rather chosen to wilfully and deliberately turn their backs on God. All's that left is to pray for them for nothing you write here will make them repent and turn to Jesus that they may be saved. God bless you.[/QUote]Lol. Aletalia. Sorry Aletheia.Learn a thing or two from her. She is at least standing firm. Pretending, regardless. This is what I like about women. They are tough as a nail. When they are disbelievers, only God can keep the husband save from her getting him to her side. WHen she becomes a believer, the whole house of cards of disbelief will easily crumble by Allah' help.

@Seyibrown; « #109 on: October 29, 2010, 10:42 PM »
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My question 'What is the name of your Spirit?' is rhetorical. Since you have managed to give me the name of 'your spirit' you should be able to deduce the name of 'God's Spirit' employing the same method you used to reach a conclusion about what name 'your spirit' is called.

Sweetnecta:
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I hope we are consistent here. In your argument, you take Trinity to be the system of God. In one of the entities in the trinity, you say he is father and his name is Jehovah, etc. You call the second son and his name is Jesus, Christ, etc. The Third you say is Holy ghost, and you refused to mention his name. You see inconsistency here? Why give me 3 names and refuse me the third? I say he does not have a name and it does not exist because he is your own creation, the reason you dont have a name for him. We know jesus to be a man; bleeding like everyone of us. Hurting in the same manner. call God your father. he will treat you like a creation, a servant, slave that He will punish for transgression. There is a place call hell. Run from it.

It is you who refuses to use the same logic you used to arrive at the name of 'your spirit' to arrive at the name of 'God's Spirit'. If you refuse to let yourself answer the questions for which you very well have the answer or can easily arrive at, then your real problem is not ignorance but your not being able to accept truth that stares you in the face.[/Quote]What is the truth here? Are you saying that the name of the holy ghost is Yahweh, Jehovah, Adonia, Elohim, Eloi, Jesus? Or what are you saying, since my given names are what my spirit is also know by. Alhamdulillah. My spirit is a muslim. In the book of Angels and Jinn (both specie do not have physical form that can be seen ordinarily. And we have Angels with us 24 hours a day, round the clock, recording our deeds, the moment that we are "Balaq" adults from the age of puberty), we see that the Jinn can actually fool the gullible who goes to the "Future Teller" to seek help, reach the dead.

If you are now saying that the ghost's name is exactly that of the Father,then I wonder why there is Trinity or why the son has a different name; Jesus? maybe both are lies by the Bible Authors? Remember that "Gospel According to Luke" can be construed as coming from God, except if Luke its Author was playing God, then? Lol. Seyi o. Then you will have Ester playing God. So will John. So will Writer of Corinthians! How many books in the Bible? You will have the author of each book playing God. Thats a big and gigantic serious issue.


[Quote]2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (King James Version)

3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:[/QUote]WHich Gospel is this; John, Luke, Mark, Matthew or Paul's the writer of Corinthians?


[Quote] 4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.[/QUote]There is no Gospel of Christ.And Image of God in what sense;Look, act,what? Jesus didn't know everything. Infat he was powerless, according to him. Is this because God was grieved in making man that Jesus is His image, and knew not the future and or God has Jewish look and human characteristics? Seyi, someday, you will finally get it. I know for a fact Allah is not your god, and and all that you said of trinity and God or god that you worship. Above them is my Creator Whohas no equal.


[Quote]Ask the Almighty God remove any veil that is covering your heart and preventing you from assimilating and accepting his truth and salvation.[/Quote]Incidentally, John the son of Zacharias from the lips of his father was also a Salvation giver, by knowledge people receive remission from their sins. Read the above. t is you Seybrown who has a veil of pure Steel in her face, the reason you say God is partner with a ghost and ahuman servant sent by Him!

@Seyibrown: #108 on: October 29, 2010, 10:06 PM »
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My statement was not about the message. Please pay attention before I give you a fat F. My question was about Evidence is lacking that the Bible is word of God and nothing else. ead the bold in the first paragraph. Word of God was in Capital. Not message of the Bible.

The book is all about the message that the author intends to pass across.[/Quote]You are a yoruba woman, and we have a proverb about stubbornness. They say "Pami nku soribenbe soko". I asked you to give me the essence of the message if you insist that its from God. Neither you have given evidence of. Acts of Apostles couldnt have been written by God, or revealed by God. Note that for your future references to the authenticity of the Bible as word of God.



[Quote]The Author is the Holy Spirit (who is the Spirit of God that knows the things of God). It is impossible to seperate the message from the book and it's author. The Bible contains the message God has sent to us. It is the WORD OF GOD (the message of God) to us.[/QUote]What is that message of God, from Hsis word, even though we see "Gospel according to Luke", unless Luke is God in this case?



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Before Abraham, we had Adam. You must agree. God made Adam and Eve, mates, husband and wife. Even you mentioned in the Bible that it was filthy thing that Noah;s daughters had sex with their father, forgetting that other people entered the ship with Noah. Was Abraham a lewd man that will force an unwilling younger woman to have intimacy with him? Will mama sarah with all her jealousy and over possessiveness allow her husband to sleep with a younger woman? The only way this could happen is that she was his wife, conder the fact that she was a princess in Egypt. No king gives his woman to become a servant. Regardless of who that person it, because the king himself, will be in slavery since his blood is in slavery. This is pure common sense. Lets it here.

Whether Hagar was slave or freewoman does not affect the Messiahship of Jesus Christ!

There is nowhere in the Bible where it is written that Noah's daughters had sex with him.[/QUote]You are correct. So I read Genesis 9: 20to 27 which is about sex on him by his son or grandson. This is a worse case.



[Quote]You've been reading something else, not the Bible. I quote scriptures that mention Noah and any woman below:

Genesis 7:12-14 (King James Version)

12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

13In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14T[b]hey, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.[/b][/QUote]The bold is ridiculous.



[Quote]Genesis 8: 16 - 20

16Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.

17Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

18And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him:

19Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.

20And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Please post any Bible scripture that support your story . . . I think it is another one of your 'Mohammed the comforter that Jesus promised' falsehoods.[/QUote]Genesis 9 verses 20 to 27, his son and or his grandson Canaan slept with him. He cursed Canaan. Why? Now I support my proposal with Leviticus 18 verse 6 to 18, and Leviticus 20 verse 17,to proof what seeing the naked of a person means. How about Lotand his daughters? Read Genesis 19 verses30 to 35, and you will now know that your non verbal Ghost can hear and speak to people, but only human servants, Messengers and Prophets hear God's Words and repeat them, exactly to the people.

@Seyibrown: « #104 on: October 29, 2010, 09:03 AM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on October 28, 2010, 03:30 AM

So that I make it clear to Seyibrown; When you said post #12, it was the man that posted below that I saw registered as post #12. While later my post #12, I had based on my initial observation of the other person, responded that if you wanted us to discuss his 4 lines post, copy it and wewill discussed it, because to me, it was not worth my interest.

That said, the air is refreshed and I have since answered the questions.
I see that the unpardonable sin is only against holy spirit.

Father and son, you can sin against them. But say away from sinning against the Ghost, though Father is the most powerful, and ghost is even less than jesus who on his own power can do nothing.

strange. very strange. I guess the ghost needs extra protection from the people who abuse defenseless things. Ghost has to be more defenseless than Jesus, so the Ghost must be defended vigorously.


Answer quoted from an earlier answer at: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=500505.msg6850503#msg6850503

BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT – THE UNPARDONABLE SIN

Matthew 12:31 (Amplified Bible)

31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy (every evil, abusive, injurious speaking, or indignity against sacred things) can be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the [Holy] Spirit shall not and cannot be forgiven.[/Quote]I have asked you, many times to give me the proper name of the Holy Spirit, you and others, none of you have been able to. Maybe there is no Holy Spirit, like in the matter of there is a Jesus and A Yahweh. Maybe you people use Angel Gabriel, the errant runner as Holy Spirit? Am certain thats the one you call holy spirit, considering he was the one that appeared to Mary and she got pregnant after it. Maybe Aletheia can chime in on this matter. I need a proper name. Omo yoruba ni yin. Ko si nkonkon tio loruko, afi holy ghost yin nikon!



[Quote]Jesus said the above to the Pharisees claimed in MATTHEW 12 that Jesus drove out demons by the power of ‘Beelzebub’. The Pharisees knew the law, knew what God had done for their forefathers, the prophecies about the messiah coming and the miracles that Jesus did. They saw the messiah, refused to believe him, and were attributing the works of God to the Devil. They witnessed the power of the Holy Spirit and yet denied it.[/Quote]The Bold is some kind of jewish idol or known evil entity. I wonder why the likes of Aletheia and Olaadegbu cant remember that the jews erected a golden calf for themselves as god to worship, and the Bible claimed that King Solomon the wise wordhiped foreign gods/idols and here even in the time of jesus, they have not forgotten to associate something with worship of God. heck, they were just like the Pagan Makkans and the Arabs, which Islam cleaned up away from Idolatry. Incidentally, as a side note, it was in Palestine, and not in Makka or Madina or even Taif that idols, specifically what they call "moon god" was found in 1950s. And we know that the Afghans rid their society of Buhddah. So Jesus was accused by disbelievers as Muhammad (AS) was later accused. You see that Jesus was no more than a human being, messaging to his assigned people.



[QUote]Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the WILLFUL and CONTINUAL rejection of God's Spirit, refusing to acknowledge him, attributing evil to him, giving glory due to him to another, cursing him and wilfully degrading things relating to God TILL DEATH. When you die in this state, there is no pardon![/QUote]While your religion shows no mercy because Holy Spirit which you can provide a proper name of is disregarded, Islam is the only religion that all signs are forgiven, including association with Allah, the moment you stop! Your destination is in your hand. Its ironic that the Master Who can send the Holy Spirit on an errant [as He did send him, in your claim that the Holy Spirit is the another Comforter, hearing from God all that he must repeat (Though no one heard him speak), to the ignorants who he must remind, teach, show things none of which they were on the right course on, or knew before, and glorify Jesus], can be insulted, according to you. So is Jesus, according to you. Why not the same application to both of them, or why is Yahweh defending Holy Ghost, but not Himself, or Jesus? Do you have any suggestion, or it is just the blind faith again that we must accept, suckered in big time, as usual?



[Quote]John 8:24 (Amplified Bible)
24That is why I told you that you will die in (under the curse of) your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He [Whom I claim to be--if you do not adhere to, trust in, and rely on Me], you will die in your sins.

Jesus told them in John 8:24 that they would die in their sins if they did not believe in him and the same applies to all today. EVERYONE WHO HEARS OR KNOWS ABOUT GOD, REFUSES TO BELIEVE IN HIM AND ACCEPT HIS FORGIVENESS THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WILL DIE IN THEIR SINS.[/Quote]And after all of that, Jesus himself declared "Of my own power, I can do nothing, . . . ." Why this, if the above is correct? Why the above if the immediate above line is correct? I tell you, Seyibrown, to believe in Jesus and rely on him in that verse, means the same as in every case of every prophet (AS) when they talk to their audience. If the children of israel did not rely and believed in Moses when he was fighting Pharaoh, they will still be there as slaves today. They would never have exited as they did, victoriously in the Exodus. I will just let you chew on this and them if you wish read the Quran. In the Quran, you will find verses from God Almighty the irresistible telling believers to "rely and trust (Follow, Obey, Answer Muhammad when he calls you to what will give you LIFE [Spiritual Life]).

@Kola Oloye: « #111 on: Today at 01:46:52 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 11:18:55 AM
The ignorance of Kola Oloye.

Kola Oloye is judging Islam by the actions of Muslims. The reality should be the other way around, muslims should be judged by Islam,if they are good muslims or not. Its absolutely naive to use muslims to judge if Islam is good or not.

YEEESSS, by their fruit you shall know them.[/Quote]Yessss. World conflicts: 2 World Wars prosecuted mainly christians on all of us. In Nigeria; Civil war between Ojukwu and Jack Gowon, both are christians. Do you want us to go there? Obasanjo an Egba Christian man, like you slept with a woman legally or illegally in relationship with his son. maybe you will do the same?



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The reality should be the other way around, muslims should be judged by Islam, if they are good muslims or not. Its absolutely naive to use muslims to judge if Islam is good or not.

I'm still learning.Thanks for the info.[/Quote]And he claimed or others claimed for him as a former Islamic teacher in the Big City of Abeokuta! I summit that you are one of the "muslims" who "gbe egungun". So with that you were never a muslim.



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The yardstick therefore be that you put the holy books of world religions side by side and determine the one that will be on top, fully Glorifying God and allowing humans to be humans, with faults, and not the unattainable esoteric plain that even Jesus himself didn't reach by his yelling out in the blame your Master "my God, my God, . . . . why has thou forsaken me?"

You never ceased to amaze me.
The difference is clear and you know it.[/Quote]This absolute knowledge "Thank Allah for that" is the reason I'm a muslim, instead of Kufr like you. I know that you are in your paradise. Watch out; Hell awaits disbelievers in the Oneness of God Almighty The Irresistible.