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Plappville is shameless to tell us that her God died by the hands of human killers, his tribe's men.

Even the Hindus are ashamed to say something this awful out.

What can a God who can't save itself bring to others of any salvation? This is very shameful, woman.

If Jesus did not die, and those people who have claimed he died and believed it have lied and rejected Jesus, will you not say?

Many have been saved before Christianity. And it does not make any sense that the man and woman who ate the fruits are not in hell, yet me who was not born at the time of the mistake will go to hell if I do not accept that an innocent man after the crime had to lose his life for the sin already bygone on the two who committed it, and for me who didn't commit it.

Should it not have been easier to just say that we should not eat some kind of fruits instead, in the same way we do not eat pork, in the same way Jacob forbid himself of hindquarter, instead of staining us still with the sin we didn't commit, showing that even to those who believe Jesus died for this sin, the death didn't quiet do the trick, and in my mind it is the very height of injustice.

And The True God is not an Unjust Ruler.

Let the President wake up and get them and their supporters.

Nigeria does belong to Allah, just like every nation belong to Him.
But it is not permissible by God for anyone to kill the creation of God, based on religion, alone.

This is exactly what the Boko Haram people are doing. Allah is not behind evil doers. I am a muslim and I hope the half asleep President can take leadership in the bringing about peace by getting rid of this cancer in our mist.

If Nigeria is going to break up by ridding off the evil cult known as Boko Haram, so be it. So be it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I always laugh at you.

Quran corrects all the false statements. Leads to all truth. Reminds what truth that came from each prophets before it. Glorifies Jesus in proper and accurate measure. It is what is heard from God that was repeated by the only prophet [as] who came after Jesus [as] declaring Jesus as the christ.

The Op will quickly burn out, leaving Islam to stand unshaken, still.

I already encouraged the liars to continue their lies, but remember to tell the powerful and lawmakers of the world that the children of Israel used to go to the Kaaba which they knew is the Tabernacle of the Lord built by Abraham.

Where is lala land?

please stop laughing all the time. Biko ol boy. They may think that sumtin rung.

@OP; Islam will strive without you, even in the face of Ali [Persian boy] Sina. I have asked him in my correspondences time again to change his name from Ali to a persian or other as long as it is not based on Islam. The yeye boy refused. We asked if he will put his 50K USD in a mutual escrow with a canadian lawyer, so that we can match it, and the winner takes all, he refused.

I have asked David Wood question how God became man and die for a sin of God's creation, when the sin is so simple that an adequate punishment could be as easy as forbidding the sinner other fruits of equal value, instead of making us who didn't exist then inherit it and then kill a son for it, as {Himself?}?

Robert {Kardashian Tribe} Spencer of Turkey is angry against the Turks, so Islam will have to pay. Well, I have news for all of you, because White Americans in addition, Latin Americans are also entering Islam, not too far behind the rate of Black Americans.

You will live long on earth till your old age, if you are fortunate, you will see Islam becomes bigger, InshaAllah.

Aloy/Emeka should now the Proverb that goes with Moin moin?

if you don't, it is Ibi pelebe lati mo mu oolee [Olele] je.


If you can't deal with the oversize suit wearing Oyedebo, how are you going to deal with ragtag poor easy to blend in Boo Haram thugs?

@Frosbel: « #1 on: Today at 11:51:28 AM »
[Quote]Where is that fanatic Jihadist LagosShia and his murderous followers on Nairaland.

This is what they stand for !!!!

2012 will be a trying year for us all, I predict a full scale assault on the fanatics, as most nations and peoples would have had enough of this madness.[/Quote]When they were distributing brain, I believe you were fast asleep. Is Lagosshia responsible in Lagos for what happened in the northern Nigeria, when you have your northern christians there, worse a brain dead President sitting in Abuja?

@Aloy/Emeka: Below is your life as a double duty slave; One to Jesus and then Jesus as slave of God; Though it is through Paul you believe in disbelief: 1 Corinthians 3:5 What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each.


The apostles called themselves SLAVES of JESUS CHRIST. Romans 1:1 "From Paul, a bond SLAVE of JESUS CHRIST (the Messiah), " 2 Peter 1:1", a SLAVE and apostle of JESUS CHRIST, ". James 1:1 ", a SLAVE of God and of the Lord JESUS CHRIST, ".

“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus” (Acts 3:13).


Now look up for yourself the definition of the word "SLAVE" according to Smith's Bible Dictionary. This will allow you to understand what this word meant to the disciples.


New Living Translation (©2007) Titus1;1
This letter is from Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I have been sent to proclaim faith to those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that shows them how to live godly lives.

Don't serve God, serve Jesus, instead [see below]
John 12:26 If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.

See, servant/slave is not as great as his master [the reason Jesus was unable to do nothing of his own power]:
John 13:16 Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.



www.islamreligion.com › Articles › Comparative Religion › Jesus

. . . Investigating the manuscripts that make up the New Testament, one finds that the alleged “sonship” of Jesus is based upon the mistranslation of two Greek words—pais and huios, both of which are translated as “son.” However, this translation appears disingenuous. The Greek word pais derives from the Hebrew ebed, which bears the primary meaning of servant, or slave. . .

…” Whether a person reads the King James Version, New King James Version, New Revised Standard Version, or New International Version, the word is “servant” in all cases. Considering that the purpose of revelation is to make the truth of God clear, one might think this passage an unsightly mole on the face of the doctrine of divine sonship. After all, what better place for God to have declared Jesus His son? What better place to have said, “Behold, My son whom I have begotten …”? But He didn’t say that. For that matter, the doctrine lacks biblical support in the recorded words of both Jesus and God, and there is good reason to wonder why. Unless, that is, Jesus was nothing more than the servant of God this passage describes.

Regarding the religious use of the word ebed, “The term serves as an expression of humility used by the righteous before God.”[2]. . .


. . .Whereas pais has been translated “servant” in reference to David (Acts 4:25 and Luke 1:69) and Israel (Luke 1:54), it is translated “Son” or “holy child” in reference to Jesus (Acts 3:13; 3:26; 4:27; 4:30). Such preferential treatment is canonically consistent, but logically flawed.

Lastly an interesting, if not key, religious parallel is uncovered: “Thus the Greek phrase pais tou theou, ‘servant of God,’ has exactly the same connotation as the Muslim name Abdallah—the ‘servant of Allah.’”[5]

The symmetry is all the more shocking, for the Holy Qur’an relates Jesus as having identified himself as just this—Abdallah (abd being Arabic for slave or servant, Abd-Allah [also spelled “Abdullah”] meaning slave or servant of Allah). According to the story, when Mary returned to her family with the newborn Jesus, they accused her of being unchaste. Speaking from the cradle in a miracle that gave credence to his claims, baby Jesus defended his mother’s virtue with the words, “Inni Abdullah …” which means, “I am indeed a servant of Allah …” (TMQ 19:30. . . [read to the end and see how you have missed the road]



www.openbible.info/topics/being_a_servant

about prophets: Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

prophets can fight, too, avenging on behalf of God: Romans 13:4

English Standard Version (ESV)
4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

dumb article. i am also a muslim. i fear for my life sometimes walking in the street of any town usa because of the nut jobs who see easy target to abuse either by words or physical.

if you don't like islam, leave it and leave the land of islam to where you can practice your new found belief.

liars and weaklings. you will not be the first and Alhamdulillah, there are new families coming to islam in the so called western nations. the whites, blacks and spanish and others too eager to take your place in paradise while to take their place in the other destination.


Islam will survive without you tidytim.

I have no need to deal with the conclusion of mr. david wood. I want plappville to enjoy that misinformation.

[Quote]If Christianity Is True . . .

Christianity, on the other hand, easily accounts for the rise of Islam. Indeed, if Christianity is true, the rise of Islam makes perfect sense. If it isn’t immediately clear why Christianity entails the rise of religions such as Islam, consider the following line of thought.[/Quote]What will a Jew say about Christianity, a religion using its textbook, Torah, Psalm and Gospel that was simply confirming the earlier two?



[Quote]If Christianity is true, then the following statements are also true:

(1) People can only come to God through Jesus Christ.
(2) Satan is a real spirit being who wants to keep people from God.[18][/Quote]If Judaism is true, a jew will say to the chrsitian, people can only come to God through Moses, hence satan has instigated Trinity and by so doing prevents them from approaching God directly, instead of through a patron; Jesus. Where is the reality, david? Reality is with God Who is the Creator, so He knows and He is different from the one who is powerless of his own power.



[Quote]With these statements in mind, let’s see if we can figure out a little something about Satan. Now, if Satan wants to keep people from God, and if the way to God is through Jesus Christ, what would Satan’s highest priority be? His main goal wouldn’t be to get people to lead immoral lives (though he would prefer that we do, since this corrupts God’s created order); instead, his primary aim would be to incite people to reject Christ, for this rejection is what keeps them separated from God.[/Quote]This guy knows satan intimately, though he does not have any revelation given to him. So he must be an agent of satan. A jew will say the same thing, discrediting Jesus. Certainly, they did, yet they flocked to Madina waiting by their book, the prophet in Yatrib.



[Quote]But how would Satan convince people to reject Christ? We should note here that there are plenty of people in the world who simply don’t care about God. Satan doesn’t have to worry about them, because they aren’t interested in salvation anyway. Since his goal is to keep as many people from God as possible, we would expect Satan to be more focused on people who are to some extent concerned with religious matters. There are two ways to keep such people from God. Satan would either have to convince them that all “religious talk” is nonsense (i.e. by spreading secularism, which we see around the world) or he would have to offer them a substitute for the truth (i.e. a religion that rejects what is necessary for salvation).[/Quote]Just like the jews accepted that the prophetic fountain head was Moses, thereby rejecting future prophets that were given revelations, the christians did just that with Jesus thinking that God can not choose another tribe of Abraham to complete His Will on man. Salvation in Islam is the islamic Monotheism, that has no need for killing anybody or any animal, while condemnation includes Christian Trinity, Jewish tribal religion, Hindus many gods.



[Quote]Thus, if Christianity is true, we would expect Satan to inspire religions that reject Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection, even though these religions may be similar to Christianity in other (non-essential) respects. Now that we have a clear picture of what we would predict if Christianity were true, let us see how Islam matches up with our prediction.[/Quote]The one who curses satan is definitely protected from satanic influence, especially when his Protector is God.



[Quote]The message of Islam is something like this: “Believe in God. Do good deeds. If you do enough of them, you’ll get to heaven. Respect Jesus, for he was a mighty prophet, who delivered God’s message to the children of Israel. Also believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he performed many miracles, and that he was the Messiah. But whatever you do, don’t believe that he died on the cross for your sins. And don’t believe that he rose from the dead. In fact, the worst possible sin you can commit is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God.” Notice that Islam rejects Christianity’s essential requirements for salvation while accepting certain other doctrines. For instance, Muslims are commanded to believe in God, but even Satan and his demons believe in God. Muslims are commanded to do good deeds, but all religions teach this. Muslims are allowed to believe certain things about Jesus (such as his prophet status and virgin birth), but these beliefs do not save a person. Yet when we come to beliefs that are essential for salvation—the deity of Christ, his death on the cross, and his resurrection from the dead—we find that Islam is violently opposed to these crucial doctrines.[19] Islam, then, looks exactly like the religion we predicted that Satan would form, for it denies what is necessary for people to come to God.[/Quote]Keep your false deity, oh david wood. Jesus himself knows that he is powerless. What Islam belief is Believe in One Unique God Who is Complete. All your worship and obedience are to Him. Do good for His sake and hope in Him, while you avoid evil, and be patient in your reliance upon Him.



[Quote]There is, of course, an easier way for us to see that Christianity predicts the rise of Islam. We can look at some of the prophecies in the Bible. For example, Jesus said that “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.[/Quote]And Jesus said that there will be a true prophet coming from God who will hear from God and simply repeat to man what he hears, leading to all true, correcting false notions, giving the true information about Jesus and most importantly, the litmus stated by Jesus is that the prophet that says Jesus is the christ is that very true prophet of God.



[Quote]”[20] Paul added that some people would follow “deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.”[21] (The phrase “deceitful spirit” is reminiscent of the Qur’anic claim that Allah deceived people about the death of Jesus.)[/Quote]Did the people who said they killed Jesus deceived Jesus and "people", too?



[Quote] The Bible warns over and over again that false teachers and false prophets would come in order to distort the Gospel. Apparently, few people in Muhammad’s time heeded this warning.[/Quote]So teacher and prophet are now synonymous? Who is the prophet that says Jesus is the christ, or what purpose will Jesus say this for the future generation, if there will not be a single True Prophet to come from God, after Jesus? Did the Ghost tell the disciples that Jesus is the Christ, as part of what they forgot that he reminded them, or is this part of correction, or part of new information or part of glorifying Jesus? It was less that 2 month after a 3 year lecture. I wonder how they needed a refresher course if they were good students of a good teacher?

DAvid Wood needs not use woody brain, because the 610 years that Christianity had over Islam of Muhammad [as] accounts for the advantage in mere head count numbers, but Islam has advantage in clear dedication of sincere hearts. But the number games will be wiped off in say 200 years from now, InshaAllah.

[Quote]If Islam Is True . . .

Needless to say, I think the Islamic view is extremely problematic. It requires us to believe that God deceived billions of people. God even led Jesus’ followers astray by tricking so many people into believing that Jesus died. This could have been avoided if God hadn’t been so intent on deceiving people. But this leads to more questions: Why would God want people to believe that Jesus was dead when he really wasn’t? Muslims can’t argue that God did it to protect Jesus from the Jews or Romans, since God was taking Jesus away safely anyway. So, why would God want to give Jesus’ enemies the satisfaction of seeing Jesus killed? Why not raise Jesus up without deceiving everyone about it? There seems to be no reason at all for God to deceive these people, especially since such a deception would soon lead to the formation of Christianity.[/Quote]The above bold is so untrue, because the jews could have used the same thinking, saying Jehovah tricked them to believe that he was not going to come on earth, or having a begotten son that will carry the sins of all borne by the simple offense of eating forbidden fruit of Apple. The One jewish God is not 3 persons God in Trinity of Christians. What will the Hindus say? David needs to face reality. The way of God is unchanging, while man give in to his own desire, going into falsehood when he deviates from the way of God which was brought by the prophets who correct man. When the christians read that Jesus was not a spirit, indicating that he did not die, never mind the failure of the test of 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the earth, they should have said that the preaching of Paul is bogus and therefore reject it, and simply wait for the another comforter to lead to all things as he will correct by what he hears from God, that he will repeat.



[Quote]This is a difficult pill to swallow, yet Islam forces us to view the origin of Christianity in this way. If Islam is true, God deceives people who believe the prophets he sends. If Islam is true, God spreads false teachings until they become dominant in the world. If Islam is true, Jesus, the Messiah, was completely incompetent and should never have been sent by God, since Jesus’ life ended up leading more people astray than any other life in history. Because the Muslim view is at odds with any traditional understanding of God’s nature (including the Islamic understanding), Islam is an incoherent religious system, which should be rejected by all rational people. Islam has a poor and contemptible explanation for the origin of Christianity. If Islam is true, the existence of Christianity makes no sense at all.[/Quote]Imagine a jew asking david wood if christianity is true, Jehovah must have deceived and made liars of the prophets he sent? The reality, is that david has not considered that man, must have blocked his mind, making human prophet, especially Jesus in the eyes of the christians more than what he really was. After all, he said i of my own power can do nothing.

[Quote]FACT #5: The Qur’an states that Allah helped spread Christianity. Once God had caused belief in Jesus death and resurrection, he then worked diligently to aid the Christians in spreading their false message:[/Quote]this is untrue. though christianity is a form of disbelief, but it is not like idol based disbelief we see in hinduism, for example where everything including rat is worshiped.



[Quote]O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as [Jesus] son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost.[16]

This verse is extremely important, for it means that Allah helped the followers of Jesus against the Jews who rejected Jesus, and that these followers “became uppermost.” So who were these followers of Jesus who became stronger than the Jews? The only people in history who fit such a description are orthodox Christians, who believe in Jesus’ death, resurrection, and divinity. In other words, Muslims can’t claim here that Jesus’ message was corrupted and that the true Gospel was wiped out, because that clearly isn’t the group that the Qur’an refers to in this passage. Even if there was a group of first century Muslim-Christians, this group never gained an upper hand over anyone. Indeed, they must have been snuffed out immediately. The only group of Jesus’ followers that ever became strong enough to overshadow the Jews was composed of Christians, once Christianity had spread throughout the Roman Empire. These Christians believed in the foundational doctrines that Christians hold even today. Yet, according to the Qur’an, Allah helped these people rise to power![/Quote]When was this bolded made, except when Jesus was alive, preaching Islam to his muslim followers? After Jesus left, and the condition of the helpers [disciples] is not in the care or leadership of Jesus, if they drifted into disbelief in the company of Paul or by themselves, at some point, Islam of Jesus died off and was replaced by disbelief in form of Christianity.



[Quote]How, then, did Christianity spread and become the dominant world religion? It spread by the power of Allah! And who started the Christian message about Jesus’ death on the cross? God invented this message! Even non-Christian historians are convinced that Jesus’ death is one of history’s best-established facts.[17] Where did historians get this idea? They got it from God, who tricked so many people into believing in Jesus’ death that we now have tons of historical evidence for this event. Since there are roughly two billion Christians on earth at the present moment, it seems that Jesus and God are responsible for starting the only religion in the world that overshadows Islam.[/Quote]Christianity spread just like Hinduism, Judaism to name a few. Neither of these or christianity did God sanction, yet they spread because satan is able to make each attractive to the diseased heart, rejecting pure faith while looking for an easy fix.

[Quote]FACT #2: The Qur’an states that Jesus won a number of followers. Since Jesus spent his entire life preaching an early form of Islam, his message to his disciples must have centered around the basic tenets of Islamic theology. These disciples would have become something similar to Muslims, which is exactly what Islam teaches about Jesus’ followers:

When Jesus found Unbelief on their [i.e. the Jews’] Part He said: “Who will be My helpers to (the work Of) Allah?” Said the Disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers: We believe in Allah, And do thou bear witness That we are Muslims.”[5]

And behold! I inspired The Disciples [of Jesus] to have faith In Me and Mine Messenger; They said, “We have faith, And do thou bear witness That we bow to Allah As Muslims.”[6]

Then, in their wake, We followed them up With (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, And bestowed on him The Gospel; and We ordained In the hearts of those Who followed him Compassion and Mercy.[7]

If the Qur’an is correct, then Jesus converted at least some of the children of Israel to Islam. Though there is absolutely no historical evidence for any such conversions, let us assume for the sake of argument that there were first century Jews who believed the message of Jesus and became Muslims. As we shall see, this assumption only presents problems for Muslim apologists.[/Quote]We know about his 12 disciples from the children of Israel. We also know that Jesus made salah all night at the gethsemane, where he prostrated his face in prayer and supplication to God, No one says Jesus converted so many people. 12 in many millions or few hundred thousands is nevertheless some conversion, though not a lot and we can't call that a great success.

[Quote]Allah Starts Christianity . . . By Accident[/Quote]Allah did not start christianity. Just because christianity is mentioned in the Quran, it is mentioned just like paganism is mentioned.



[Quote]If we examine the teachings of Islam, we find that Allah not only started Christianity, but also made Christianity the world’s dominant religion. This fact should seem strange to everyone, for Muslims believe that Christianity is a false religion. Of course, Muslims will respond by arguing that Christianity is a false religion because it was corrupted by man, but that in its original state it was the message of Allah given to Jesus the son of Mary.

While there isn’t a shred of evidence that the followers of Jesus ever believed anything similar to Islam, this is beside the point. According to Islam, Christianity was corrupted by Allah himself. To understand why Islam demands such a view, let us review a few facts.

FACT #1: The Qur’an states that Jesus was a messenger of Allah and a prophet of Islam. Indeed, Surah 19 tells us that Jesus began preaching Islamic theology the moment he was born:[/Quote]The bold is very important to indicate that Jesus was not told to start Christianity. And thank God even the christians will agree that he didn't start it. He did not build any church. He would not know what achurch is if he were to come across any. Just like Moses who didn't start judaism or build any Synagogue/temple.

Even thoughtful Jews and Christians place Muhammad [as] to be the best of man that human kind has ever known, over Jesus and Moses [as].

To say Quran is grammatically wrong when it is the benchmark of the arabic language is pure madness.

I agree with Lagosshia; the rubbish needs to be ignored.

Eti e gbo. ewo ni ti aloy nimu emeka?

Awa imale nsoro, kiriyo ara e nda wun

Awa musulumi nbara wa soro, keferi ara e nyoja yoton.

Joo sun si waju.

Even Samson?

Even the Jewish group that formulated Israel by bombing King David Hotel?

Frosbel is really fox on a bell ringing.


Bring my enemies here and slay them before me.

Knight1 is denying the obvious while he lives in the world capital of immorality, free sex, payment of money for sex. Imagine if you now control the young women of nollywood as your property? No one can come to them but you alone. I wonder what your freaky self will do? Freak!

You can't stand a week staring at them women without calling one of them for interview.

Quran restricts us from immorality, in all normal situation. When a master honors his maid, he may marry her. If he does not marry her, he must not stops her from being a woman. Some woman will ask if master is ready to be a man. I wonder if you will say you are still a boy? There is no better or equal treatment of captives in the Bible.

^^^^^ Modinga does not realize that the human natural instinct remains intact for free and captives the same, all the time. Imagine the master of the house having relationship with his house maid. Why? Because the master's manhood acts independently of his status if we go by the fact that he is the husband of the mommy in charge of the female house maid.

The house maid is a woman still. She needs what every normal woman needs; love and affection from a man. So if the master of the house has morals, she pounces on the next available male; the younger brother or the children of the master who are old enough to work out. If she is pretty, some of the males will find a way to get to her, one way or the other.

If she is desperate, then abuses the immature, inexperience is her care at the slightest of window to do so, without raising any obvious sign of her actions and desire.

I find it heard that Modinga will ignore the human nature and thinks that a 30 year old beautiful woman who suddenly becomes a spoil of war in the household of a young military general about her age, will leave her alone for too long. After a year, if that long in his care, she herself will see the man as the ideal man for her by his position of power and privilege, forgetting he had personally masterminded the death of her future husband, father and any other males in her clan. Her womanhood will be instinctively pushing her to him. This is human nature. If the best woman in your society is suddenly willed to you, before long you will be inviting her to your bed or coming to her bed, with a single knock at the door to simply announce that you are just about to open the door. Hypocritical Modinga, I say.

Apart from all the signs and the age indicated for a man and woman to marry, even though these benchmarks apply to both genders, what Islam stresses more is the mental capability of the spouse to handle the role of husband or wife; there is a marital contract which both must participate, contribute by giving their individual wish and desire. a little child can't participate in this very important technical document, wherein without it, the marriage is not effective, along with the presence of guardian, witnesses and the man who officiates.

I will hit my wife with a handkerchief. I guess that hurts, instead of a show of sign of unhappiness. Job [as] did hit his wife with 100 blades of grass by touching her with this single bundle, in fulfillment of his pledge as a prophet. Some prophets in the Bible did not fulfill their pledges making them false prophets if you apply the Biblical yardstick to them of true prophet or false prophets.

Your case, Modinga, reminds me of the false prophets Elisha killed in the Bible.

No where in the Islamic verses you quoted did you see male Instruments mentioned.

toba is ashamed. so he just comes up with trying to pretend as mr. nice guy.

Toba is funny, considering that your darn religion of christianity as 610 years over the Islam of Muhammad [as], where is our 610 years to shine, while you are complementing because of the temporary 3 months truce of christianity? Abeg go fly a kite and let me hear word.

Christians kill with mega weapons. When they fight each other or collectively fight others, they practice conscienceless and injustice.

I disagree with the dueling muslims because their actions are contrary to what Islam in the Quran speaks of. We all know what is right and if we don't see it right away in the books, our hearts registers it.

There is a thread waiting for you toba in the so called "christian" section, if you wanna do go for your religion or at the end good for yourself because the failure of the christians to stand tall may actually help the muslims to gain reverts.

May Allah reward you, my brother Lagosshia.

@Jenwitemi: This thread does not involve your type. It is a specific thread for those who claim to have belief in God, specifically the Christians to engage in effort to convert the muslims. If you are a christian or muslim, then participate otherwise, scram. You are wanted here anymore. Let just say this is not your place to vent your anger against belief.

@The christians; Here are your opportunities, individually to tell us about your God {Jesus, Holy Ghost and Jehovah}, your Belief from the Bible, The Torah of Moses, Psalm of David and or just the Gospel of Jesus and or just the Pauline formulation of your faith. All of you are fumbling about, dropping the ball, not being able to score easy points and goals.

If you can't even help the muslims who are willing to learn, is this not a sign that you don't know and or don't even believe in the Belief in the first place? How are you going to win souls for your God and your non effort may actually earn you condemnation, even those who perform miracles will be rejected. Imagine what will happen to you failing to capitalize on the opportunity to tell the muslims about christianity, when you don't even perform miracles?

@Proo212; « #35 on: Yesterday at 04:01:02 PM »
[Quote] from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 03:28:56 PM
i don't think plappville is wide awake enough to know what Lagosshia said, above. But that's another matter altogether, different from her convoluted reply.

Did Adam speak about Jesus? Not at all, because the mistake of Adam in their test was not rectified in forgiveness through any thing about Jesus. Adam was forgiven by God, directly and Jesus was not known back then, even as Immanuel, a name he was not called but the christian read it to mean him.

If I go by the the verses of the Acts, the abolition of the OT, thereby making Jesus God is a witness against the christians. Then Jesus said that the Comforter shall lead to all truth, hearing from God and just repeating it, even he living by it, is also rejected by the christians, since nothing new was brought by the ghost, while Muhammad brought remembrances of the Old religion which was perfectly completely upon as favor to mankind.

John 14:6) Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. This means, after him, no other claim. the bold could have been said by Noah to his time. How many people perished without being on "the way of Noah"? All of them except those who came onto his way by climbing into his vessel. How many perished in the time of Biblical Jesus? How did he save them, especially seeing that he himself was not save in the city at the hands of the rag heads of his nations. I don't even have to talk about Moses of OT, but Noah before him; a man long time before the history of the Jews. It tells you that there is salvation before the Jews.



[Quote]@Sweetnecta, u still seems not to get it right, the purpose of the old testament prophets was to prepare the Jews for the arrival of Jesus Christ.[/Quote]read above. I mentioned Noah so that you know salvation is not always of the children of Israel. Salvation belongs and from One God, only. He chooses whoever He pleases. No prophet outside the children of Israel prepared anyone for anyone, but prepared his community to obedience, guidance and worship of One God Who is indivisible. Many a nation, before the Jews have experienced destruction except those saved from them because they were not transgressors, like their neighbors. Look at Prophet Lot and just the few that escaped the disasters of their community. What preparation did they make for Jesus?



[Quote] He has arrived, so why re prophets required?[/Quote]Listen to Jesus himself said; I have not come to abolish to to uphold. This shows that he followed the footsteps of the prophets and what they brought. Just like prophets before him, following prophets in succession, on the same principle of Worship of One God.



[Quote] Christ's teaching is complete and his sacrifice was perfect.[/Quote]Again, listen to Jesus: you have too little faith for me to tell you more. But when the Another Comforter shall come, he shall hear God and repeats what God told him. With it he shall correct you. He shall remind you of all the truth that I speak and admonish you from lying upon me, even if you think it sound plausible. He shall lead you to all truth. He shall speak of me in honorable way, not exaggerating anything.



[Quote] As the apostle Paul said:

1 Corinthians 13:9-10)9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.[/Quote] Unless Paul is the Another Comforter, you have failed Jesus. Unless you can show me what the remaining 11 disciples heard from  a ghost, then you and others have ignored the truth, if you say the another comforter is not for later  generations. Its interesting that Jesus said that he will return soon, and that was 2000 plus years ago, while 610 years will be just like few days to the future in comparison. Can you tell me what correction that the ghost made on the understanding of the disciples, while i point you to corrections that a true human comforter [as] who heard from his Lord [SWT] made on the understanding of generations of human that will last till end of time? The Book given to the human Comforter who heard and spoke is the Quran. You can read it while i will ask you to show me a thing that the ghost taught the disciples and they the disciples transferred it to you in a book, firm and uncorrupted. Show me a book, mehn, the mistake and the correction.



[Quote]« #36 on: Yesterday at 04:18:30 PM »

Lord in heaven I despair!

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 03:28:56 PM
i don't think plappville is wide awake enough to know what Lagosshia said, above. But that's another matter altogether, different from her convoluted reply.

Did Adam speak about Jesus? Not at all, because the mistake of Adam in their test was not rectified in forgiveness through any thing about Jesus. Adam was forgiven by God, directly and Jesus was not known back then, even as Immanuel, a name he was not called but the christian read it to mean him.

If I go by the the verses of the Acts, the abolition of the OT, thereby making Jesus God is a witness against the christians. Then Jesus said that the Comforter shall lead to all truth, hearing from God and just repeating it, even he living by it, is also rejected by the christians, since nothing new was brought by the ghost, while Muhammad brought remembrances of the Old religion which was perfectly completely upon as favor to mankind.

Jesus was not known back then you said. You err Mr sweetnecta, John 1:3, Hebrews 1:2, Col 1:15-16, 1 Cor 8:6 [/b]all disprove that claim you have just made.[/Quote]Did Adam speak about Jesus, unless you are saying these verses were from Adam?



[Quote] Nothing new was brought by the Holy Ghost, [b]I thought He was to remind the followers of the things that Christ taught whilst he was on earth?[/Quote]Unless those who had quick sand for brain, did the disciples forgot anything Jesus taught them for 3 years or so in less than 2 months? Good teacher, good students or what are we saying here if they were needed to be corrected by a non vocal voiced "GHOST" when they were men, their previous teach was a man, shouldnt the one to correct them be same or is it now appropriate for GHOST to not speak yet meet the Instructor role of hearing and repeating by speaking Another Comforter?



[Quote] If the spirit teaches something different from what God the Son taught then that spirit was/is an evil spirit.[/Quote]What did the GHOST teach the disciples? List them here. I wanna read it or them. I wonder why Jesus will say correction? Please show me what was corrected.



[Quote]If you claim the spirit is Mohammed, then Mohammed definitely taught something different from what Jesus taught. Everybody knows that.
[/Quote]God is One and Uniquely indivisible. There is nothing like Him. He does not have any child and He is not a child. Whatever you imagine Him to be, that imagined is not Him. All worship belongs to Him. There is no association with Him. Your salvation is from Him, said salvation is easy, bloodless, personal being obedience to His Commandments and the head of that commandment is Monotheism. Trinity and others including ethnic arrogance practiced by the jews, other multigods of hindus and even the denial of His Existence, or factoring Him out of creation, etc are condemnation.[/quote]

To all the christians, converts or not, please invite me to your religion wit facts and logic. Let me ask questions as you go forward with your effort. Please be orderly and no off topic posts.

i don't think plappville is wide awake enough to know what Lagosshia said, above. But that's another matter altogether, different from her convoluted reply.

Did Adam speak about Jesus? Not at all, because the mistake of Adam in their test was not rectified in forgiveness through any thing about Jesus. Adam was forgiven by God, directly and Jesus was not known back then, even as Immanuel, a name he was not called but the christian read it to mean him.

If I go by the the verses of the Acts, the abolition of the OT, thereby making Jesus God is a witness against the christians. Then Jesus said that the Comforter shall lead to all truth, hearing from God and just repeating it, even he living by it, is also rejected by the christians, since nothing new was brought by the ghost, while Muhammad brought remembrances of the Old religion which was perfectly completely upon as favor to mankind.

Judek2 probably did not pay attention to the reality of Jesus, even after he said he is one with God Almighty:

Jesus did not wait, but worshiped God by cleaning himself up, with great intention focused on Gos Who he prostrated his face to. Indeed they are "one" while One is the One that received all the worships of the other. They were truly "one" when the One is the One the other cried, wept, begged, etc. Indeed they were "one" when One has all the Power and the other by his own admission of power was able to do nothing. They were "one" when One Lives and the other is subject to all that happens to man. Indeed he is son when before him some sons came to invade and had got all the daughters of men pregnant to produce grand children. Indeed he was the only son when a whole tribe were also sons and daughters. Indeed he was the begotten when many were just that before him.

Judek2 must not know anything about authority. A mother has authority over her children. A father, same. The King over his kingdom. God over all creation. Allah is Himself over all. So He says We, Us, Our, but ends each story with affirmation of Himself being One by using I, Me. And when He talks about His Majesty, He uses He, Him, His.

You Judek2 must not have had any royalty or nobility in you or in people you know.

Only in poor people that the yorubas may say Enikan ki nje awa de.

Yorubas do not say that in the Palaces, because they know that the one who sits on the throne can use Awa.

"Atikilo fun e", a mother might say that to her child.

plappville is so foreign to africa sometimes that i truly believe she is french. someday, i will let my wife speak french to you, and then 9ja languages.

if no one comes to God except through Jesus, how did Adam and his wife, and slaughtered but good son of theirs, then Enoch, then Noah, Abraham anf Lot, and Ishmael and baby brother Isaac, and Jacob and Joseph, etc, even Zacharia and John go to God? Evidently, the new Gospel is where we learned about the name Jesus. The old Gospel [OT} we did not see the name of the man mentioned. Since it is not clear in OT and you are going to read it into it, I could use the same thinking read the name of Muhammad [as] to OT and NT.

i am talking to God and i do not have to go to through Jesus to do it. Just like Moses didn't. I do not have to.

And its funny that a man like Paul can curse Angel of God, from heaven and you count that as a sign of authentic revelation instead of authentic delusion. Who can curse the Angel of God? God does not curse them because they are fully obedient to Him.

The fake prophet is known from your Bible by the standard the Bible set; Nothing Muhammad [as] said that did not come to pass at its appointed time. By Muhammad I believe that Jesus was a prophet, because if I had used the Bible, since Jesus did not return as promised to the disciples and they are all dead now, it will be naive to blindly believe him.

Moses shed blood. Was that made him fake? Jesus would have since he brought and asked more swords be purchased and you dont sell all you own except planning fight to death. Only if Jesus had brave and lionhearted supporters, we would be reading heavy casualties resulting to plenty blood shed of the adulterous generations, seeking miracles/signs because of their little faith.

Alafin will say Awa Oba Adeyemi lo nsolo o.

How about Ooni of Ife? Same.

Oba of Lagos? Same.

Queen of England? Same majestic we.

Not french president because there is no royalty in him.

I even use we for myself when I want your sweetheart to smile softly.

Parent will say we about him/herself when the child has committed an offense of disobedience.

She bi aa so fun e [referring to herself or himself, alone].


Obas in yorubaland are taught manners to be able to use majestic plural for himself before they enthrone/'the coronation'.