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God is the Only One Who is not created because He is the Only Creator.

Ultimately, The ULTIMATE CREATOR WHICH IS GOD IS NOT CREATED.

@IShilove: « #18 on: Yesterday at 04:52:43 PM »
[Quote]Generational curses are very real,and can come upon a family as a result of such evils as ancestral evil convenants/dedications to idols,the evil deeds of our ancestors and so on. [b]Even when u become born again,u stil have to break such convenants [/b]becos they act as an open door,a legal ground for satanic oppression[/Quote]Even though you were not party to it, and you are now a good person and a true believer?
Will the reverse be the case as in blessing, even when the progeny becomes an evil person and a complete disbeliever?

God does not practice Injustice hence He will not allow evil to be transferred upon a good person, a believer just because he carries the blood of an ancient evil doer and disbeliever.

The opposite is the case with an evil person who is a disbeliever, though he might have carried the blood of a good man, a believer.

Every soul is responsible for what the heart does. The consequence of the action brought by the heart on the body is borne by the soul.

i hope you pay attention that there are 3 of us who are liars; Paul for making himself a disciple.
you for making yourself a christian
me, for making myself an igbo man.


you and Paul top me in deception because you both made Jesus God


me, i just lied when i said i am an igbo man. the same will apply if i say i am hausa man.

@Jerseyboy: What about I did not bring peace but war, sword, not unity but division?

^^^^^^^^ Sorry for you, because Jesus is a follower of the religion that Muhammad [as] completed.

You are at least smart enough to know that Jesus was not a christian.

You are at least smart enough to realize that Jesus was not a praying to the wailing wall person, but a face prostrating man.

You are sure, today a man of the Bible and based on your effort to perform miracles in the name of Jesus, the same Jesus promised to say "i neer knew yea" to you!

Frosbel, I am an Igbo man, the same way Christian borrowed the name of Jesus for their religion. The christlike by the people of antioch was only restricted to the disciples. Paul was not even among the disciples.

He is self styled, just as you are self styled christian and the same way I am self styled igbo man. The three of us are liars for what we claim.



IS YOUR BLOOD BOILING YET? I WILL STOKE THE FIRE SO IT BOILS EVEN MORE.

hey frosbel. how go dey go.
how madam dey take your nl obsession
how dem pikin dey cope now

you still dey go closet to browse.

lol. i laff taya when i read about your internet condition, dat one, ol boy na serious condition be dat

i jus dey grit yu ooo. i no dey respond to di thread. na grit be dis one.

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How can you expect someone to believe in something that doesn't even exist  Huh Huh

How do u prove that God does not exist?
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How do u prove that God does not exist?
why arnt we arguing  about wether the sun the moon rain sky or lightening exists? Why is it something that cannot be seen and can't be even be proven to exist with any scientific experiment?   Well since I can't see him and he dose not know how to  speak for himself to prove hos own existance then he don't exist.[/Quote]The sun exist because we see the light and feel the heat which are signs of its is there. we can also see it rise and see it set.
the moon we can look at and see that it is there. We see it by our naked eyes because of the light it reflects or emits. the nasa folks already traveled to it and landed on it. I bet they didn't see that much light on the moon as people see from it on earth on a cloudless night of a full moon.
we see there is ocean, basically a basin/bowl with water in it.the water has its waves so we know its moving or flowing. but with the amount of speed and rotation that the earth moves, the waters in these ocean, seas and rivers are not spilling into space even without any cover on top! this a big phenomenon. why is there no spill, even us falling into space? yes some people are upside down to another on the opposite side of the earth.
there is wind/air that we can only capture and feel its effect.
yet many say all of these have the same source. even the atheists say that. the argue that the source could not be God. but the religious people say that their singular source is God Who created them and many more things, seen and unseen, known and unknown, discovered and undiscovered.

And the atheist say that this singular source must be seen. this is their condition before they accept that God exist. even they can't produce another singular source for us to see. it is impossible for a stationary or a moving single unit [smaller that any imaginable object] particle to break apart and produce biological, chemical, physical objects with tremendous masses and energies that we see, and what we don't see and know about, yet. It just can not happen.

But God as The Source for me, even we can not see Him [and we cant see the wind/air], His creating Ability and the effects of the created things are enough evidence of His EXISTENCE [wind/air is believed to exist because of its ability to cool, to move things]

^^^ ma sista, who told you I used the Quran to indicate that Jesus begged God?

No madame. It was your bible that says Jesus begged. Maybe you have always missed the truth.

If not you will read the observations of the disciples, about Jesus crying, weeping, begging.

Sisi. Let us leave what you have not paid attention to alone, and we can pick it back up when you do.

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The universe can only be an extension of its 'cause factor'[/Quote]The cause factor is a simple commandment of audible Voice of God saying "Be". Yes the universe in truly an extension of "Be" since it has became already.

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The One Who caused the Beginning to come so that Beginning can exist was there before the Beginning that He caused to exist.
This One has to be just Uniquely Singular One.
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^^^ thats MAGIC![/Quote]that's Miracle, Uniquely within His Capability, Domain, Alone without anyone able to perform it. He simply Commands it. Magic is illusion. Miracle is reality. You live in a real world commanded to exist. The magicians use slight of hands, doing faster than you can follow it with your human sense at that time. You you will quickly see the loophole that it was only a layer added to deceive you. Reality is different because it leaves room for investigation.

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You have no single convincing proof against it, if you read the Bible to provide the role of this very comforter. How did your ghost comforter hear and speak? How did he correct those he corrected, especially the disciples who had the privileges of being students of Jesus, just less than 2 months for 3 years? Were they hard of thinking that they made mistake mistakes so soon, or was Jesus a bad teacher that his students needed being corrected so quickly? How did the ghost lead humans to all truth, if it was for the 11 remaining? I find this fascinating that Jesus said he will return while at least 1 disciples would still be alive. 2000 years ago, it was just now I will return and he has not, the reason you are expecting him, still. If he returns, today, you will say he did just in time. Then imagine his promise of the comforter who came 610 later, correcting and leading and hearing and speaking directly, while you are still expecting! Which one is soon enough that made the appointment? I saw the comforter that came 610, while 2000 we are still waiting for arrival.

U believed that Jesus second's comming is faulse, his salf claims as the son of God was wrong etc, sure Mohamed has come to correct all these, He came to correct Jesus on how he faked himself, Mohammed corrected all these so that people like u can easily fall not me![quote][/Quote]By the bold, you will realize that I did not claim his second coming is false. Islam states that he will return as a sign of the end of man on earth. What I have done above, is to use the his pending coming to illustrate, if 2000 years is not too late, then 610 years was just the most appropriate time for the promised Another comforter to arrive. After all he was to correct people, even the disciples. The disciples did taught people. They taught them correctly. In time, the students were teachers, and this sequence continue, until the new students got bad teachers, who taught them badly, incorrectly. When the students of the bad teachers are now teachers teaching people bad and incorrect information. 610 years later, the information had became bad. The another comforter heard from God that the current information that is believed is bad and need to be corrected to the original truth.


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Each time you guys went into errors. If there are people with errors, the Muslims and the existance of Islam, are u not getting it?[/Quote]This is your own statement, ma sista. The truth is above. Read it. Jesus promised the disciples. The disciples are all dead. Is that an error?


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Jesus was not a christian, so that killed off christianity right there. Jesus was not a jew by religion, because you read his prostrating his face like Muhammad [as] taught us, while Jesus didn't prayed to a wall in Jerusalem like the jews of today. This also killed off judaism. The prayers that he made all night at Gethsemane proves that Jesus and Muhammad [as to both] prayed to God the same way. This is enough that Muhammad and Jesus followed the same path, the path of Islam.

Allah was never GOD, so that killed Islam.(how does this sound?)Wasn't Allah already worshiped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came to existance? History establishes beyond the shadow of doubt tht even the pagan Arabians, before Muhammad's time, knew their chief god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity among the pagan arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols. Mohamed merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with.
The pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different "Allah" than the one they alreadyworshiped. what are u talking about?!Am sorry sir, history has refused to be on Islam's side on this facts.The worse u ve said so far, are the bolds. U ve said the unsaid.[/Quote]The first bold; the Christian arabs will disagree with you. The second bold; the yoruba pagans call the Creator Olorun. The yoruba christians call the Creator Olorun. The yoruba muslims call the Creator Olorun. So if the pagan arabs worshiped Allah, and Muhammad [as] preached and all the muslims worship the same Allah, it is similar and same about the Olorun of yoruba pagans being the same Olorun of yoruba christians. The difference between the Olorun of the yoruba pagans is that there is idol involved, while the Olorun of yoruba christians dont have physical idol involved. The british Jew and the british christian have God, while the jew says every message stopped with Moses, the christian says it stopped with Jesus many hundreds of years later, whereas the God is now a Trinity. You feel me, sista? Muslim brit says God is not Trinity, and His Message is one and was completed on Muhammad [as].


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Same reason Christians killed muslims. Same reason Cain killed Abel. Hahahaha very funny, so Muslims are Abel and Christians are Cain u are so funny u know that?, This is False false and false!! there are Two Quranic ayas they read as follows:

9.014 “Fight them (infidels) and Allah will punish them by your (muslims) hands”
9.052 “”Allah will afflict you [b](infidels) [/b]with punishment from himself (Allah) or by our(muslims) hands”.[/Quote]Infidel is on the pages of the Bible. Check out the book of Titus. When Moses used the staff to divide the sea, and pharaoh drowned in it, is it every pharaoh that that drowned? Same here. The Pagans of Makka were referred in the 2 verses. These verse were time and situation specific. That was that time and situation. If the same situation develops, just if there is another pharaoh in the lives of the children of Israel, the killing will be permissible; remember Hitler? That was a pharaoh of some sort.


[Quote]Was there a command for Cain to Kill Abel? No, but Muslims kill to obey the command of the Koran.[/Quote]Was there a command to Moses to kill nations? Yes. You obey command when God gives it.


[Quote]I wonder how long the world will continue to be brainwashed by these Islamic apologists line that Islam is peaceful and islam means PEACE. I guess what they mean anyway is, Islam means pieces of infidel body parts on the streets.[/Quote]You remember the European Czechoslovakia? The christian military slaughtered muslims in the 1990s. I guess that does count for anything.


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Sisi, read above before you continue. The worst kind of wrong is knowing that you are wrong and refuse to even amend but shift blame. Are we not children of Adam. Are we not children of Nigeria, you being my sister? Nigerians marry one another you know, even as they are all male and female children of Nigeria. All of us call each other my brother and my sister especially when you are not in Nigeria, the bond is greater.

U need not to accept been wrong, after all, Mohammed refused to accept he was by Misquoting by using decendents as best option Grin Grin.[/Quote]your behavior is similar to that of the jews towards Jesus and his followers; the disciples. they said only Moses and Jesus and his disciples were wrong. you are now saying that it is only Jesus, forgetting the another comforter, so you are also saying Muhammad [as] and the muslims are wrong.


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No. How are you christlike when you got married and have se.x and produce children? How are you christlike when you will want to be hung? How are you christlike when you eat pork? How are you christlike when you do not prostrate your face in prayer some part of the night? You don't even know the rule of that prayer that he made at the gethsemane. How are you christlike when nothing he did, you will do, including saying that you should follow the laws of the OT and follow the That Prophet, the comforter that will hear and speak, not the not the not talking ghost? How are you christlike when you are corrected by the Book of that prophet the another comforter and you rejected it? How are you childlike plappville, because name borrowing alone will not make you christlike?

Look, u are not different from other muslims in NL, same blindness, u wrote that your forefathers were Muslim, i am not here to prove u wrong of your choice of belief but to prove u wrong of Misqouting Jesus and putting him in same shoe as Mohammed. I may be offending God
wasting so much energy with ppl who are completely deaf in spirit.

We are Christlike because we do things he ordered us to do,[/Quote]you follow Jesus? Prove it by telling how you pray like he prayed at gethsemane, how he begged God, weeping and crying. You are in for a bumpy ride.


[Quote]Jesus didn't conderm us from getting married!. we are Christlike because we have the Holyghost that direct us in all things. We are Christlike because we have refused to be brainwash by the Koran. I hope u get this clear, am not in arguement though, i just know what i
am saying.[/Quote]But he said he will condemn even the best of the christians, those performing miracles by his name. If he condemns these class of people, those below them are equally condemned. Do you follow the Torah? The holy ghost was not promised to you. It was promised to the disciples. maybe Paul not Jesus promised you holy ghost,


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Tell me which of the above or what Moses brought you truly follow. Start with the first commandment and bring your trinity to it.

[b]The apostle Paul [/b]wrote to Christians In his Letter to the Romans in the New Testament:
(Romans 3:20-25)20 :Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight,[/Quote]I knew Paul will eventually come out. But we are talking about Jesus.


[Quote]for by the law is the knowledge of sin.Let see God’s Righteousness Through Faith in the below verses:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,[/Quote]We were talking about Jesus and not Paul.


[Quote]In faith, we do truly fulfill the Law.[/Quote]Before I go to reality, below, let me poke holes in your 'faith' concept. You have fulfilled nothing if you do not action it. Just saying it is worthless, ma sista. A drunkard could say "in faith" he has stopped drinking and then he finished a bottle of Louis XIV. When his breathe smells of Cognac, you already know his in faith is in the garbage [I cleaned it up. because i could have used a harder process]. Please apply this to the "in faith" that you are carrying around. You will see that there is not a sign of true faith in there.


[Quote] the Bible explains in places like John of what the process in which this can occur: (John 7:37-39 say), John gospel recorded that when Jesus was on earth, read as follow,
37: In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38: He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39[b]But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive[/b]: for the Holy
Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)[/Quote]The first bold, he was talking to those around him and it has nothing to do with future generations who claim that he is not a mere man, but God. This fallacy has made god out of a simple and honest person. Whoever didn't drink from Jesus then, failed just like those who in later generations joined the camp that made him God. The second bold indicated how weak Jesus himself was because the spirit had to direct him, just as he was driven into the wilderness at the beginning. The spirit, hopeful from God and not a bad spirit from the devil was more powerful than him and we know it is the design of God that made it so. From the third bold, I always wondered how the christians, even the Biblical writers know when and how at least Jesus was glorified? If you say the holy spirit that didn't speak, even though he was to hear and speak, did glorify him, tell us what he said or how? Its amazing how no one who claims that the holy spirit is God wouldn't ask him/herself how God will be waiting to hear from God before He speaks and why didn't He have audible voice, especially when we know that God Spoke loud enough for Moses to know God was talking to him at the Burning Bush, on mouth Sinai to receive the 10 Commandments, etc?


[Quote]Mind u @Sweetnecta, John didnt say a prophet here!, "The Holy Ghost" I must say that, Muslim are confussing themselves with their misinterpretations.[/Quote]John who? This John without a proper identification had no right or authority to write what he wrote. So not telling the truth is not to be taken as truth.


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Today you are servant of Jesus, while you are a daughter of God? You think child of God should be servant of man? WIll it not be better if child of man is servant of God and best if child of man is slave [24/7] of God?

Do i ve same understanding of the bible as u? No, Jesus is more than what u see/know him to be.[/QUote]We are talking about reality, application of the mind. God gave us mind/heart to be able to peel of lies and remove confusion so that we may get to the truth.


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You live in Europe. Lets try Norway. Even France. Ask the christians how popular is circumcision? I know the nigerians adopt african tradition. But christians don't get circumcised because of their religion, while muslims do. This ma sista needs to know these things.

Who told u the West are all Christians? [/b]Will u call someone that say there is no God a Christian? Someone that Homosexuality is seen as normal in the whole family as Christians? U have no ideal of what a Christian is right?![/Quote]Among the people who lie in the west are muslims, sieks, hindus, arikrishna, etc, athiests, Agnostics, jews and chrsitians and even devil worshipers. there is no place I said everyone in the west is christian. I also said not everyone who is born a christian in the west is circumcised. To be born a muslim, anywhere in the world, you must be circumcised.


[Quote]Since i ve live in the West, i know more about them and i can tell u, u call them Christian but they are not all Christians. [b]They practice more Catholic. The Christians once are few and they docircumcise. Those that doesn't are the believe. They BELIEVE they are not tied with the
circumcision convenant. As far as i am concern, all Christian do circumcise. Say what u know MR. U like to argue blindly why?.[/Quote]This time i am not arguing. definitely not arguing blindly. You have failed to prove anything. to stubbornly stick to confusion is not conviction. You know for a fact that not all christians are circumcised and definitely, catholics are christians. The symbol of christianity is the Cross. Correct? And the catholics have been alive as christians before the protestants. read your religious history, ma sista.

The One Who caused the Beginning to come so that Beginning can exist was there before the Beginning that He caused to exist.
This One has to be just Uniquely Singular One.

Something can come out of absolutely nothing, by the command of the One Who has Power to command things to form.

There is only One that has that Power of Absolute Commandment to command whatever He Wills, Decrees.

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@OP, what do you do when you fart in the mosque during prayers?. Pray nobody hears the sound and may Allah diffuse the smell or simply ask Allah for forgiveness?.I do wonder attimes whether they will put fatwa on the head of those who farted b/c while muslims pray, their forehead is on the ground and thier azzes are facing west ready to release gases at the slightest provocation.

So, is it a very big offense to fart in the mosque during prayers and if it is, what is/are the consequences?[/Quote]children say the darn-dest thing. it is a laugh. but when adults say the same thing, his head 'no corekt'.

if a muslim breaks wind in prayer, he stops and proceed to process the renewal of it. Normally, if there is no smell and no sound that you hear it in in your own body, then you have not broken wind. If you smell it even without the sound that you hear in your body, never mind anyone hearing it, you stop and go get renewed. if you hear the sound, even if it is only you, you have lost your purification. You must renew it.

if you are standing in prayer, then you turn to leave while you cover your mouth and nose, which indicated there is smell. You renew your ablution and join the rank.

if you are in any other position, including prostration, you stop, then proceed to leave for renewal of your ablution.

normally, like in any setting, if you have any civility or personal decency, when something that is going to make others uncomfortable is about to come out of you, including belching, you need to avoid people getting the hint of it. If you enter any gathering and you can break wind and or belch far away from people thereby they do not hear and or know about what you have done, do it.

You also need to know that wind will not remain still in a place.

But interestingly, Allah may protect the one in prostration to not smell the foul odor that came by it. I see that you do not know the Power of God. A brother once told me that he could almost be certain that he threw up, but nothing came on the floor of the mosque. He said maybe my Lord sent Angels to catch it, so even humans did not see it. Such are miracles that still remain among the muslims.

You don't know what you are missing.

@Plappville: « #105 on: Yesterday at 10:09:53 PM »
[Quote]Mohammed was not the comforter Jesus told us about.[/Quote]You have no single convincing proof against it, if you read the Bible to provide the role of this very comforter. How did your ghost comforter hear and speak? How did he correct those he corrected, especially the disciples who had the privileges of being students of Jesus, just less than 2 months for 3 years? Were they hard of thinking that they made mistake mistakes so soon, or was Jesus a bad teacher that his students needed being corrected so quickly? How did the ghost lead humans to all truth, if it was for the 11 remaining? I find this fascinating that Jesus said he will return while at least 1 disciples would still be alive. 2000 years ago, it was just now I will return and he has not, the reason you are expecting him, still. If he returns, today, you will say he did just in time. Then imagine his promise of the comforter who came 610 later, correcting and leading and hearing and speaking directly, while you are still expecting! Which one is soon enough that made the appointment? I saw the comforter that came 610, while 2000 we are still waiting for arrival.


[Quote]We ve said this over and over, of what use repeating it when it make no sense to Muslims.[/Quote]Each time you guys went into errors.


[Quote]He is fraud because, his teaching was violence, he was a mere sinner during his days, his claims of been the one Jesus told about are not true because his character displayed it. He did the contrary, why didnt he follow same step of Jesus to prove it.[/Quote]Jesus was not a christian, so that killed off christianity right there. Jesus was not a jew by religion, because you read his prostrating his face like Muhammad [as] taught us, while Jesus didn't prayed to a wall in Jerusalem like the jews of today. This also killed off judaism. The prayers that he made all night at Gethsemane proves that Jesus and Muhammad [as to both] prayed to God the same way. This is enough that Muhammad and Jesus followed the same path, the path of Islam.


[Quote]U calling me sister was like a Nigeria tradition, or did u do it to prove a point?[/Quote]Both.


[Quote] If your point was to prove Mary as sister of Aaron/Moses, then u re wrong. Am i really your sister?[/Quote]You are really my sister, if we start with the nigerian tradition you spoke about. Most importantly, we are both children of Adam. Or are you not from Adam, now? Are husband and wife not also from Adam, yet they are married? When people kill each other are they still not children of Adam? Heck Adam children killed and got killed and marry and got married. Both from and from among themselves.


[Quote] So Why do the Muslims kill Christians if the Adam decendant liquide still flows in between?[/Quote]Same reason Christians killed muslims. Same reason Cain killed Abel.


[Quote]I cannot call my great great and great grand fathers son my brother.[/Quote]When did the tradition of calling all humans children of Adam began? Did it exclude even Abel and Cain, or it included them? Is Abel not children of Adam just you will say you are child of Adam? Abel must be much much earlier than the earliest person you listed above. No? My answer is yes and if you can call yourself child of Adam and Abel was also child of Adam, your argument against Mary and Aaron being sister and brother is weak. Even they are children of Jacob/Israel which had the earliest as Joseph and his 11 brothers and unnamed sisters.


[Quote]A brother is same mom and dad. The Gap between the Mary and Aaron was uncalled for.[/Quote]The gap between Jesus and Solomon who is also the son of David, since the Bible says Jesus was son of David is uncalled for. But wait a minute weren't Adam een part of the fathers of Jesus? Is there any reason for this, while you condemned Mary being sister of Aaron? Its funny how Holy Ghost who overshadowed and came upon Mary so that she became pregnant with Jesus was not named in this list of fathers. Or you let the holy ghost off because he has no form, shape? Why tag the father responsibility on Jehovah Who simply sent the holy ghost who performed the duty?


[Quote]your prophet got it wrong but refused to accept his faults.
Do u know the bad influence this has brought to the Koran?[/Quote]Sisi, read above before you continue. The worst kind of wrong is knowing that you are wrong and refuse to even amend but shift blame. Are we not children of Adam. Are we not children of Nigeria, you being my sister? Nigerians marry one another you know, even as they are all male and female children of Nigeria. All of us call each other my brother and my sister especially when you are not in Nigeria, the bond is greater.


[Quote]Yes Christianity is sure Christlike.[/Quote]No. How are you christlike when you got married and have se.x and produce children? How are you christlike when you will want to be hung? How are you christlike when you eat pork? How are you christlike when you do not prostrate your face in prayer some part of the night? You don't even know the rule of that prayer that he made at the gethsemane. How are you christlike when nothing he did, you will do, including saying that you should follow the laws of the OT and follow the That Prophet, the comforter that will hear and speak, not the not the not talking ghost? How are you christlike when you are corrected by the Book of that prophet the another comforter and you rejected it? How are you childlike plappville, because name borrowing alone will not make you christlike?


[QUote] U cannot generalise, is it all Muslims that respect or put in practice everything they read in the kuran? Sure, true Christlikes do honour the laws. For the fact that most people do not do according doesn't make it fake,[/Quote]Tell me which of the above or what Moses brought you truly follow. Start with the first commandment and bring your trinity to it.


[Quote]Those who claim to practice it but dont respect/apply his laws are fake/false believers. Jesus will identify his servants on the last day, never mind.[/QUote]Today you are servant of Jesus, while you are a daughter of God? You think child of God should be servant of man? WIll it not be better if child of man is servant of God and best if child of man is slave [24/7] of God?


[QuoteAnd where did u get the no circumcision from? This my broda self! Na waooh.[quote][/Quote]You live in Europe. Lets try Norway. Even France. Ask the christians how popular is circumcision? I know the nigerians adopt african tradition. But christians don't get circumcised because of their religion, while muslims do. This ma sista needs to know these things.

i know enough to know that i am practicing islam, and know when i am goofing off. i have a heart, a soul. i can feel. i can think.

since i do not know what the iman who gave the fatwa was think, his complete thought, the best i could do was to hear it, reflect on it as a muslim.

i know a little. the one who gave the fatwa knew more.

Allah Knows Best.

Lagosshia gave a better opinion than myself. he advised that you contact the leadership of iran. the sheikh there.


while, inshaAllah i will not be sent to hell for not knowing this fatwa, you may actually be punished for adopting the unexplainable trinity which made by your claim Jesus and Holy Ghost to be Gods, making 3 Gods.

aloy/emeka, wahala wa o. ko le si gbadun ni nu inoo o.

if you are looking forward to singing and clapping of hands, neither will be there and it will not be a clear breezy summer night. fire consumes.

@Judek2; « #21 on: Yesterday at 09:49:37 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 01:28:10 AM
@Gerald710; « #12 on: Yesterday at 10:10:45 PM »Since we are being honest here, the word infidel appears in the Book of Titus in the NT of the Bible, and there is no word for infidel in arabic, but there are words for disbelievers; Kafirun. I am now certain that your quoting Romans 10.4 to separate Christianity from if you will whatever Moses and Jesus practiced shows how really astray christianity is from the true religion of Jesus. And from NT,
(1) Jesus was reported to say that he brought swords and wars and divisions into the family, but not peace or family unity. Further, we read Jesus actually telling people that (2) a certain king will command that they should bring before him and slaughter those from his kingdom who do not want him to reign over them. We actually read about his (3) [/b]commanding his followers to buy swords by selling everything they have except whatever they are wearing and not hold on to anything else. If having nothing but the cloth on your back is not a sign of death wish, I don't know what that is?

[b]i just hate it when someone who poses himself to be educated and enghlightened should represent himself with some vaguely assumptions just to defend his stand.[/Quote]Are you denying that 1. Jesus didn't say he brought swords, instead of peace, 2. Jesus didn't say in a parable as a king that they should bring people before the king for slaughter, 3. Jesus did not command his disciples to buy swords? are you kidding me?


[Quote](1) you should be able to attribute it to the present day apostates of Islam,as they are rejected and persecuted by their own, he speaks on facts as parents shall rise against their own when they accept the truth.then what shall that cause?[/Quote]so what you are saying was that he was at his time saying that he brought division to muslims of Muhammad [as] that started 630 years later? thats a stretch, also which made you deny that Jesus divided family.


[Quote](2) you should understand when he speaks of attitudes of earthly masters and their selfish way of leadership, it calls for obedience to those you are subjects to.[/Quote]but Jesus was a king, specifically the king of the jews, in general the king of kings, according to the christians. so he is talking about himself.


[Quote]On the third case,a dumb fellow only needs a guide,for talking without guideance is useless to him.
I have splitly explained that details to you before,and wont suffer to explain it again to someone who is deaf.[/b]I can post the link for you if you want,[/Quote]didn't Jesus command his disciples to sell their holdings and buy swords with the money gained?


[Quote]Nothing can ever prove my lord [b]Jesus as violence, he is the PRINCE OF PEACE,
I love you Jesus.[/Quote]read your bible, its in there.

Bismillahir rRahmaninr rRahim. I am not a scholar and not even a kindergarten class student of Islam, yet.
However, Allah has honored and given mercy on muslims. We have ability to reflect on things; said, heard, saw, etc.

If anyone dishonored who or what you love, you do not praise or reward him for it.

You did not find a true muslim community rewarding Rushdie for what he said, though untrue, no one was happy about it.
So if a society that has a single muslim, being a minority in that society decides to honor evil, in this case, salman rushdie, the muslim can only dislike that his/her money contributed and that of others who are not even muslims are being spent on a source that truly breeds evil.

those who decided to spend a penny on rushdie, knowingly or unknowingly propagated the evil of rushdie, his fraud. You do not have to be muslim to dislike evil, even perpetrated by muslims. I am sure all muslims hated what rushdie advanced. I did. I do not willingly give my money to advance evil. no one should, muslim or not. However this is not to say that he should not be protected if somebody was after his life. He can change and take back what he said. Some people in the time of Muhammad [as] said vile things to him. The Quraish at truce of Udaiyya said hey did not believe he was a prophet, which is not different from this that rushdie did. The Quraishi knew he was a prophet, even Abi Lahab knew he was. But it was popular to deny the truth, just like it is fashionable now to slam Islam.


And Fatawa is a conclusion of inference by a person with some scholarship. It is not the Quran which is absolute. And even we have Hadith that are wrong, because they are weak, and definitely not supporting Quran and circumstances surrounding its narration is very dicey, not quiet accurate, based on many things.

I am not a scholar, but i do think that the fatwa cant remain forever, because someday, rushdie will grow old, so old that death will come to claim him. What happens to the fatwa on him them? It can not remain forever because even the world will not remain forever.

frosbel, i wanted to write.

[Quote]“Kill whoever changes his religion.” __Sahih al-Bukhari 9:84:57[/Quote]if i follow this instruction, unless a person is born a muslim, a christian, a jew, a hindu, a buhhdist, a shinto, a seikh, etc, he will be killed if he/she changes religion, including not to any religion at all.

there will no christian, jew, others coming in to islam, then. whats the point, since death is the result, even by the hands of the muslims. the christans will be fools not to kill the man converting from them, reverting into islam.

it does not make sense for a religion wants to kill those who are entering it from other religions.

islam says there is no compulsion in religion. it is true because you can't convert the heart.

but thats not all. surah nisaa says conversion into disbelief after belief. then reverting to belief. then converting out into disbelief. repeating this process many times that it becomes a joke to the person. . .

thats not the end. Allah says that the responsibility of the prophet [as] is simply telling people about guidance. if individuals want, the accept or reject it.

Allah says if He had Willed, He could have made everyone enter islam. He willed that everyone makes the choice so that no one says i was force to it by my Creator.

Allah says that the messenger [as] should not be saddened by people who chose to not enter islam.


now, emeka, where is the confusion, while i do not say all muslims are good people, for from among us there are hypocrites.

^ Which kain is double mind, naau?

To ask me if I doubted Islam is really asking if it is sunny when even it is midnight and the outside is peach black.

Why do I have to doubt Islam? No reason and I do not want to be anything else.

Your Emeka, may become a Muslim, InshaAllah sooner than you think.

^^ Nice post, except that not all arabic language students will turn out to be just arabic language teach translating arab texts.

some who are not even arabic language student, but devoted part of their youth in Islamic curriculum become Professors of medicine, Engineering, etc and other specialized disciplines. I know because in my family, the one who loved Quran most out of 3 children, of my older cousin is a professor of medicine, today, while the boy who least paid attention to Quran, even with all his Loyola College privilege education, is also the least academically successful. The whole of Arab world is a lab, disproving your statement.

Yes. God does not have a religion because he does not worship. However, God has chosen a religion for man in order that man worship Him by it. It is the worship that man offers to God by this religion that is acceptable to God, because this religion is the one He commands man upon. He commanded Adam on it and this religion is not a new religion, but the first religion and the oldest religion known to man. It is Islam. The religion that you seem to be criticizing by your not wanting anyone to establish or study Arabic as a language worthy of studying.

America is now establishing the study of Chinese language in California, even from kindergarten grade onward. Why? China is now the up coming new top nation of the world. So is India. 30 years ago, no one could imagine this happening. Can't Arab world be this for some future time? Absolutely. It was once. It could repeat it, just like Israel is repeating it now.

Oh, and the story of the slab, the best solution was ignored all from the start. if they had installed a barrier of wire mesh around the slab strong and tight and high enough to prevent all the animals, even the ones flying from reaching its surface, in as many days to get it firm enough, while it will completely cure in 21 days, under optimum conditions, the amount of man power that could have been saved would have tremendous before the last commander discovered that resources were being wasted.

Waste the slab needed? You bet.

Just because under wrong management, the reason for the slab was obscured and completely missed that if the management had been right on point at the beginning, the story would have been different. This is religion; If the one practicing it follows its tenets, you will see the real religion, beautiful or unattractive.

The correct religion, when it is rightly practiced, the beauty is tremendous. You cant hide it. We should not attempt to hide Islam, just because so many, if not few are practicing it incorrectly.

why abandon what makes sense regarding God and go to what is not?

no one says every muslim will be perfect. In the Quran, Allah talks about the munafiqun [hypocrites] among us as being worse that outside Kafirun [disbelievers].

What is new, again. We weathered many storms, and 911 and its related problems and proxies, we shall weather, InshaAllah. Amin.

While Amaka is woman, Emeka is almost a man. So mehn, carry go or carry on. No wahala. many will become muslims among the igbos. You will be left all alone in you Trinity of God.

This week, Allah will make someone I know from Igbo blood become muslim. Amin.

@Careytommy; what country is your racist blood from mehn?
the nigerian government need to deport your kind.

If you are an american, i am definitely sure you are from below the mason dixie line. Maybe a brother to racist jessie helms?
if you are from the north, your closet racism finally came out. Maybe you are a brother to peter king?

damn you, if you are not white for hating yourself.

Either way, white or black or in between, you seem to be a sadist, happy that somebody got hurt.

Jump into the Ocean and swim across it, for a moment. The comeback. Perchance, you might have learned a lesson or two, so that you can join the human race.

i.di.ot. darn hilly billy country pumpkin. come back to texas because your village is looking for her missing village i.di.ot.

While i leave the others to ditch it out among themselves. ol' boy frosbel; paul in the same class as the eyewitnesses? how, if i may ask, while i forget for a moment the corruption or lack of any?

is an eyewitness equal to the one told as a listener, unless God is the One narrating [in the case of Muhammad [as], which makes it at least equal to the most accurate eyewitness, and definitely better than insincere eye witnesses of different accounts]?

Paul is at best a one told, not an eyewitness, while the eyewitnesses came up with varied accounts. I know you will say that they are reporting to different audiences. But to have got it wrong in many places belied any weak reason for differences. Take the case of the resurrection as an example; a gospel reporter spoke about earthquake, will others or at least 1 omitted this very important detail! this is an indictment against the caliber of journalism presented in the Bibles.

There is no small earthquake that can be felt, yet under reported, in that place, in that event, at that time, considering that it must have a truly an earth shaker of an earthquake to be felt. none of them showed any fear of the earthquake, maybe because they were in a trance because they were approaching the grave on earth of their God? Ridiculous that God would have grave on earth, when He does not have any in heaven, while His Angels are not what can be killed, and not sacrificed, but He had to sacrifice Himself.


Ol' boy, how do you like the grave on earth thing? I pray that it opens up your mind, for the very first time. Amin.

by the way, it is too long, especially when you copied and pasted, you should have broken it to much smaller segments.

^^^^^^^ What is your reason for saying he was a fraud? Did you use the standard that Jesus speak of to know if there is a true prophet or not when any person claims prophet-hood after him? Refer to your Bible as see what Jesus said. You can't just make the claim on your own.

I called you my sister the other day, for many reasons. But we never have seen each other, do not have the same bloodline, except that we are both human beings, children of our father Adam, and nigerians.

But you refuse to accept children of Jacob, Aaron and Mary as brother and sister, but you gladly accept between us, I am your brother and you my sister. Why, when you know that if both of us are single, we could be married and there will not be an incest attached to it? Are you deliberately being against truth in one place and accepting it in another, if this other place is not different from what you rejected?

How do you know that Vedaxcool know that Christianity is about decency, when you personally have criticized christian men and women for indecency and even illegal sexual behaviors? Please be sincere to yourself, first, knowing fully that there is nothing christ-like about christianity except the borrowed name; you reject the laws, prayer that you need to prostrate in, no circumcision, you eat anything as long as its presented well, you made Jesus God, when he actually worshiped God as you read it in Gethsemane.