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inedi in ^^^ post forgot that Jesus was already lifted before Heb verse[s] quoted and the language of the verse in John indicated that Jesus was not the speaker. Look in your red letter Bible, you will see that Jesus did not say what you made him as the word of God who was also God and the first thing created and all others created through him by God.

Incidentally, that let us create man in our own image in our own likeness, based on what God has done already before intending to create Adam, Angels and all others, including birds, etc have been created.

Either way you look at it, Word of God is His Command, His Speech, His Voice which are really as command becomes the creation, order to follow, etc. God never lost voice before He created man, after He commanded Jesus creation into the belly of Mary, etc. God spoke before and after Jesus. Holy Spirit, Jesus are irrelevant to the 100% Ability of God to do what He Wills.

Paris10 needs to tell me how is Holy Spirit God and God is Holy Spirit especially when God commands Holy Spirit to things? The Commander is the Boss and we do not see where God is commanded by the Holy Spirit.

The holy Spirit is an Angel named Gabriel, whereas Jesus was a man born by Mary.

^^^^^^^please men take your debate somewhere else. this thread is to release stress, have fun, enjoy at the expense of the thread; and i am gonna have me a ball, in the most fun filled old fashion way.

The word Trinity is in the Bible.

The word Infidel is not in it.

God's word is perfect and there is never a version, a revision, etc.

Who told Bible believers that God Almighty said let Us create man in Our Own Image and in Our Own likeness?


Did Moses say thats what God said to Himself, to His [co] gods [partners]?

Which one of the Humans did God reveal this to and then transfer it to people until the Bible writers wrote it down?

I say that neither the book of the jews [OT] or the book that the christians claim its their own [NT] is correct, because I bet no one will say the name of the human that started the saying about God. God will never appoint a liar as a carrier of His Message to man.

The Quran has a different statement about God and His Intent to create man, who He called emissary or envoy on the earth. Those He spoke to are well known and identified. Those who heard Him reacted to His Majestic Statement in a fashion fitting His Majesty.

God is Unlike man. There is nothing in man that God has. There is nothing about God that man has. Our imagination can never encompass Him. Image of God, likeness of God, thats a thing made up by people living in fantasy. The Creator is One. The rest is creation [somebody already said Jesus was created. Where he is wrong are his saying that Jesus was the first to be created, everything else was created through him, boxing God Almighty into Trinity thereby making Jesus a mere mortal, Holy Spirit a mere messenger like all angels that he is a specie of, co equal with God Who is Irresistible.

@Frosbel; Frosbel ol chap, ya comrades in trinity are honoring you with a thread. Go there and let them applaud ya.

a star is born; frosbel, ya people are honoring you with a thread that speaks about you.

Maybe?

We need chris christopherson and barbara streisand for an encore in your honor.

@K.i. « #1 on: Today at 08:11:31 AM »
[Quote]D bible was not specific who d us was!
But if jesus was b4 abraham then he was b4 creation![/Quote]But Abraham was just the other day, because before Abraham there were many, including Noah, Enoch, etc and all the way to first woman Eve and her man the first man, Adam. Would you say they were all before creation, since your reason for saying that Jesus was was simply his reference to Abraham? Too many we that makes trinity a joke, if there is we based on number.


@numo86; « #2 on: Today at 11:27:51 AM »
[Quote]Jesus   was   there, infact   Jesus   was   d 1st  thin/person   God   his   father   ever   created, then   through   Jesus   he   then   created  all   other   things, and   so   Jesus   was   Gods(his      father)   master   worker, read proverbs   8:22-30,[/Quote]I thought the first bold was a classic because whenever you created a thing, you are the father of the created thing. Ford is the father of ford automobile, if not all the automobiles. Who were or are the wives of mr. ford? then the 2nd bold underscores the position of One Maker. i see why if a master teaches a student, when the master does something after it, it must be through the student, making the student important, not considering that the teacher does not need the student, first student or not to be a teacher, still.


@Joagbaje; « #3 on: Today at 02:41:45 PM »
[Quote]The father ,the word and the holy spirit .

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.[/Quote]If Jesus was on earth when he spoke this verse, there were only two, destroying trinity. If it was not spoken by Jesus, somebody wrote it anyway, then that was your answer.


@inedi; « #4 on: Today at 02:45:40 PM »
[Quote]That is to say Jesus at the time of creation was the spoken word of God,[/Quote]UH? please explain how you come about that? God Who spoke before suddenly does not have a voice anymore, considering that He spoke to many after creation, and who would forget the Burning Bush?

^^ forbidden for women are men who are disbelievers, their family members like father, brother, uncle, etc, except a believing slave who their right hand possess.

in this case, is the man still "slavering" of the woman?

if a sufferer of epileptic episodes got that much from it as Muhammad [as] did, then those who claim to write God's word without such a moral spiritual outcome should be ashamed after reading the Quran.

I know an epileptic man. I saw him collapsed before.

I also saw a guy suffered epileptic episode in the mosque.

In no way a person who is epileptic will remember what happened in his epileptic attack,

The fact that the stories that the Quran share with the Bible is better told with spiritual uplifting quality shows that Muhammad [as] was not the Author and he didn't suffer any epilepsy because what he remembers, sound better than what the writers of the Bible put together.

And interestingly, he didn't change a thing and his followers [ra] believed in him so much so that they did not change a thing.

Yet the bibles are still going through constructions and reconstructions.

@Thehijj; As sSalaamualaykum wa Rahmatullah.

I will encourage you to not go beyond the bound set by Allah on His Messenger [as] and his companions [ra] and believers in Islam by holding on to Quran and learning about truly authentic hadith that can help you konw your religion. I am certain that your heart knows true hadith when you read one; it will agree with the Quran, it will seem reasonable to have come from the messenger [as] and then chain of narrations, etc, etc are then put in place.

I do believe that all that is good and avoiding worshiping anything other than Allah in the way of Muhammad [as] is part of Islam.

I am neither a shia nor a sunni or any of their smaller divisions. Allah has named my religion Islam and me a muslim. This is what i am. If i see anything good from any muslim, i will take it as long as there is no law against it and it does not go against worshiping Allah, alone.

You should not use a handful of individuals to label any nation, tribe or group. though from among the muslims we have very bad people. it is in the quilt of man to have ranges of human qualities.

The american blacks who are muslims since that seem to be what your are basing the focus in are by and large upright to the correct Islam. they do not mix culture with Islam and i pray it remains so, hoping that a caliph can rise from its rank to bring about one body of authority through Quran and Sunnah of the Messenger [as].

There i no nabi after Muhammad [as]. Anyone who accepts any needs to reexamine his/her Islam.

I pray there will come in my lifetime that Islam will be mainstream, and most muslims will be practicing according to Quran and the true Sunnah of the Messenger [as].

^^^^^^ you are a year older and a worse hypocrite.

"None of you will but come to it" in the section where the verse you butchered is the same way you made Jesus Yahweh [it must have been a falling from grace to be killed if it happened, but Alhamdulillah it was made to seem so on Jesus son of Mary [i remembered pretending to be asleep]], meant all mankind, children of Adam, does not mean enter it, or be punished by it. No christian will escape coming to it.

Interesting enough, some guy in christianity argued that Jesus went to "hell" and in it so saints in there. Thats in the Bible I guess. If Jesus and the saints went to hell, why do you aletheia think you shall escape going to hell? Are you better than the Biblical Jesus?

Funny man aletheia.

The Islamic statement "Audubillahi minal shaytaani rajim" is enough to disproof this topic about Muhammad[as].

Bismillahi Rahmanir rRahim takes Muhammad [as] over all persons who ever walked this earth.

Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah that I and others are from the community of Muhammad [as].

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ridiculous since you call him king of kings. It is on this earth you have kings, because there is 1 King in heavens: He is God.

to say he willingly submitted especially seeing all the Bibles recorded in the Gospels is completely disingenuous. if there is a king judged by another king, he must be a throne-less king to mean that he was not a king, really.


seriously.

Aja instead of apa.

I will watch the "lion" of Islam tear up the she lamb without any defense.

Like Sunny Ade said ati apa and ati ekun eron jije ala egi sunny.

We in Islam know. We are happy about the life of the messenger [as]. No messenger [as] of Allah was killed by the enemies. It is only made to appear so. And all doubt are in conjecture.

Plappville, its your turn. Call all your supporters. Lagosshia will make a mince meat of them. And they will not be fit for meatballs on any pasta.

Then you need to read Surah Nur as see the spiritual inspiration from it. Read Chapter 2 verse 257 and see the difference between Quran Light and Darkness of disbelief.

I wonder what story or chapter copied from the Quran, yet whatever it has common with any book, it trumps it in affecting the heart.

i remember a black american i knew in the past decades telling me that he noticed that he became a better human in Islam. His non muslim parents told him that, too.

My mother the only parent I have now since my father is no more [ra] appreciates me as a muslim son.

I was just talking to an old friend out of obodo england who appreciates still my Islamic quality. I know if I am not a muslim, everything would have been everything.

You know Jake and the fat man, Judek2.

Even the name of your faith [christianity] is man made not heavenly ordained.

^^^^^^^^ you need to watch what you are saying because you are leading the Op astray while he is struggling to find the straight path.

The prophets of Old who Jesus came to imitate [Abraham is the father of faith, not Jesus who followed his path] worshiped God by bowing, kneeling, prostrating, physically along with their submitting souls. They didn't see God because He is Unseen.

Jesus also bowed, knelt and prostrated to God {At the Gethsemane}. We read that he said he is powerless and called to God Ellah to help him.

How then is a christian going to worship God differently and claims that he is a sincere worshiper of God and or say that he is following the footsteps of Jesus?

Is there a reason that Christianity is a miracle, either by deeds, supernatural phenomenon, or share head count? In each, you will find even Hinduism better and it is paganism.

How did Jo explain how to worship God, especially when it is different from how Jesus and all the prophets [as] worshiped God?

Did the Bible discourage Killing?

According to Judek2, it does in all conditions.


I wonder that the christians who claim to be bearer of truth after the jews who have lost that privilege are hypocrites because every war since christianity, we will find Christians in the middle of it, with a definite hand in it.


Prosecuting it or helping some group to prosecute it or selling the weapons that prosecute it.

Judek2: The letter completes the Quranic verses and Hadith explanation of Coexistence, Neighborliness, and fighting [since the last is your wish bone in the throat].

The letter is indicating I respect you. I am not the one to throw the first blow, so dont try to throw any and we will be alright.

^^^^^^^^^^^ The Creator of man can cure Malaria that you have with the cheapest "piorWoota", while mine is cured with charcoal, and Jo's can be cured with Lemon grass. Allah cured the stomachache of Prophet Moses [as] by ordinary leaves from a shrub.

Moses had the same stomachache later and took the same leaves, thinking it is the leaves that cured. It didn't, except that Allah cured it and He is the Curer of all diseases.

Muhammad [as] said that every disease has a cure for it. Death is the only one that does not have a cure because the Curer has made death compulsory on every soul.

@Joagbaje; Being born again is only a figment of your imagination. Changing you way from disbelief to absolute belief in Oneness of God through Islamic monotheism is your salvation because your sins are turned to good deeds and you are sinless when you become muslim at the time you finish declaring your reversion.

If you are a christian or jew before, you gain double rewards and starts from positive, instead of just zero, zero, the point the others will start from when they enter Islam.


Your salvation is Monotheism in Islam. It is your rebirth, if you will your born again.

Your condemnation is the other belief; eg trinity.


I pray that the heart of the OP will get firm and thirsty to receive Mercy of God WHO is alone in His Majestic Authority.

Considering that Jesus will deny even the miracle workers in his name, every christian will enter heaven because they believed in him.

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That Jesus is God instead of prophet.

That Jesus is the son of God as if God needs to be a daddy, instead of Jesus being son of man.
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Nobody made such quotes Cool[/Quote]You should be ashamed of yourself for denying the obvious. Jo, maje ki nbi nu si e o.


Others; Jesus is the last prophet and after him no one else will come as prophet from God.

Jesus was sent to all people, not just the stiff necked children of Israel, his tribes' people.

May Allah give Victory to Muslims. Amin. muslims need to learn about islam.

they started and finish well, if they didn't clap hands [clapping of hands is not permitted; just like whistling].

That Jesus is God instead of prophet.

That Jesus is the son of God as if God needs to be a daddy, instead of Jesus being son of man.

Ok. All of us should learn because it is the first of the affairs that will be put forward. If this affairs of Salaat is correct, the following affairs, inshaAllah will be easier.

May Allah count us among those who establish salaat on time in its rightful time and process. Amin.

frosbel in support of hymen who really can not clearly deny what Lagosshia said about muslim population in yoruba land. We are not taling about those who say they are yoruba and have neither paternal nor maternal anchor in yoruba heritage.

The cities of yoruba people comprise the yoruba people and these are islamic homeland[s]. We are not talking about hamlets passing as town or cities, similar to igbo villages passing as towns and or cities.

It is Islam that calms down to a comatose state the anger that may rage in the hearts of Yorubas. Hymen does not know the sweetness of that. Definitely, frosbel needs to look at indigbo indigenous muslims, how they have good characters. if you think igbo people are sophisticated before, the muslims among them are more sophisticated; and we have even that on nairaland.

you want improvement? become for your own benefit a muslim.

the boko haram could even be worse if they were not muslims.


extremism is not permissible in Islam the reason we all see evil in what boko haram does.

Trueseeker is really a seeker of lies. Look around, the Afrikaans [remnant of europe christians in south africa] used the Bible to kill black pagans, even black christians and it was the foundation of Apartheid. In america, the KKK used the Bible to butcher blacks.

Yes, Islam is fraud according to tiny tidytim because it says in correction that Jesus was a human being and used a firm example of he and his mother functioning like humans to illustrate it.

Do we have human God or they are gods like shango oba koso [even though he hung himself], etc of the yorubas and indeed of the world?


Yeah. God had to change His consistent way and suddenly became Jesus by getting Mary pregnant by overcoming her and overshadowing her as a spirit [laughs], and then as a human body be scared to die in the hands of humans, a bunch of demented raghead jews [not only arabs you can call ragheads. i think if you are semitic, you are raghead just like if you are a blackman you are an african].


You people are so funny, I refuse to laugh because of concern that i may crack by ribs. Your jokes are stale and not original [that too].

Is this boy Judek2 for real?

There is no statement of rejecting satan in any religion of the world , except in Islam that says "Satan is accursed", seeking refuge in God against satan; I seek refuge in God against satan the accursed.

There is no book of religion that has a chapter talking about light in terms of guidance away from darkness, except the Quran; Surah Nur [The Light]. Still many verse in other chapters expresses true guidance into faith from God is Light and it is superior over darkness [misguidance] so much so the darkness perishes.

Are you christians ok, because you blindly defend misguidance against Guidance? Fosbel, ol chap, are you ok?

frosbel is funny. i will ring a bell to remember you.

How about Trinity [3]?

How about where God commissioned Jesus to die?

How about where Jesus accept to die?

How about where the sin of Adam and Eve was nor forgiven of them and Jesus have to pay since eating fruit was so grievous that even the Children of Adam and Eve were sinners along with them, and Jesus a son of Adam and Eve had to become God and be sent by God to die for man?


Frosbel, my guy, you are on your own. You need to consume the whole can of worms, right about now so that we do not continue to see them crawling all over you.