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^^^^^^^ ma sista, you are telling taniboo to have faith, when she needs to be taught to all all things. how will the holy spirit teach different from how jesus taught?

Jesus was a former comforter or something else was. All that have taught before the non speaking holy spirit have really taught by speaking up. We at least know some things they taught, not all and some have been compromised, too.

if Jesus lead to all truth, he will be tell us that the another comforter will, because that will be redundant. so what did the another comforter teach the disciple? what is the another comforter teaching you if you are saying that Jesus said he will teach you?

give me example of the teaching of the another comforter about marriage, since Jesus didn't teach you anything about this?

show it to me in the books of the works of the another comforter. we know that the gospels are supposed to be work of Jesus. so show us the work of the another comforter.

reign of the former is over.

nowhere in Islamic literature that it is stated that a person will experience death, see the other side and then come back to tell us. If that is the case, everyone else who hears his story will either change, mending his way or just calls him a wacko.

since jews and christians are completely opposite, the former saying the later is a pagan by taking human being as God and the later saying the reign of the later is over, you guys seeing the same thing can can only prove that you are both in the wrong.

truth about after life is known only by a person who is truly dead. what you christians and your big brothers the jews in your near death experience is the gimmick of satan who is controlling you.

brother Lagosshia, you won. I give you the victory trophy. You wanna continue to abuse the wives of the messenger [as], you are the owner of your lips, tongue and thinking heart.

I will wait for Allah's decision on me, since I will not insult the wives of the messenger [as] who he did not insult.

No man or woman from my bloodline will insult my wife and when I find out about it, the individual will hear my roar for insulting me via the insult hauled on my wife.

My children will not have the gut to insult their mother or stepmother, because it is me they are insulting.

Hopefully you are married. If you are not, wait till you are and the little boys in your bloodline insult your wife, it will priceless to see you smile and say my little grandnephew you are right; she is truly a rotten and bad wife.

^^^^ You need to lay off them dumb-bell mehn.

What Ahmed has done is ignore the rant of Jude and just left a positive message.

^^^^^^ Frosbel; how you dey? Its frost time, very soon. Wear those thermals, ol boy.

Oh, the stack of dead bodies is always less than what christianity or judaism will produce under the same circumstances.

Look around ol boy. When the christians kill, they over do it. Its always crusade, a never ending effort to overcome. And you guys are the lambs. Are you familiar with the knight templar, mehn?

The jews will do the same.


Ridiculous. I think its hunger that gets you towards the end of work hours daily to write with so much poison in your piece.

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I think this is the most controversial religious topic. Yet it being paid lip service. No one lays focus on the truth value of their religion and superiority over others.

What should be the qualities of a true religion?

Must it claim the existence of the supernatural, or focus on human needs both physical and mental.

Is it found by faith or reason?

Does everyone have access to it, despite their geographical location and culture?[/Quote]But Islam is all of these and more. God declares in many places in the Quran that the only religion that is from Him is Islam. And whosoever choose another will find it rejected by God from him and such a person will be among the ultimate losers.

Islam is a 24/7, from cradle to grave, all the while allowing you to have a full life; acquire knowledge an wealth. Asceticism is frowned upon and punishing yourself or imposing hardship and denying yourself of all the wholesome goods that man can get are things not acceptable in Islam.

Islam is so specific that God reveals His Proper Personal Name, unlike just saying I Am Who I Am, or something people think they are inferior to pronounce or write down.

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[b]How come the west is kicking y'all azzes in the middle east?. [/b]Where is your Allah to defend you?. Many of you get false sense of security after reading that jargon from the quran and that's why men like Sadaam, Osama, Ghadaffi, etc who defied the Christian west got their head in their pot of soup. Where the heck was Allah when the US captured and executed these men?[/Quote]If you doubt The Ability of the All Powerful, tell us about the time of the slavery of the children of Israel, the many defeats they suffered even in the hands of the heathen babylonians and, even christian nazis? How about when you god was being hung, according to you?


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Israel is presently doing the same thing to roast the azzes of the muslim world. Another proof that your Allah is a liar.[/Quote]It says {Oh Prophet [as]}. So let me ask you when Rome was defeated by the Iranian pagans and when Nazi christians was intending to wipe off the jews?


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Which kin behind walls?, The US took war to the heart of Islam and will not relent to put Iran in their place if they intend to continue the lies handed to them by their Allah.[/Quote]Fort is a military word for wall. Trenches or foxholes are form of walls. No military personnel fights without a barrier to hide behind. That barrier is a form of wall, a fort.


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Is your Allah not capable of predicting the future?. Ahhh, I forgot that he was probably illiterate. So he didn't see Henry Ford in his wildest dreams?. Even Muhammad the great prophet couldn't prophesy beyond 1 century?.Is that why y'all still ride the donkey like gas is too expensive in the desert nations?. I bet you your Allah thought the world began and ended in the middle east. What an Allah!!.[/Quote]Read Surah Rahman, you will see verse talking about space journey. Further, today military are still using horses, if only in time of parade. They even use dogs in battles. And in world wars and even Korean and Vietnam, they used pigeon.


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Romans were Christians?. Did you do history at all?. The same Romans who were killing the Christians?. Are you deluded?. After defeating the Ottomans, who else can the 3rd world muslim nations defeat?. Pray tell the US leaves Iraq by Jan and I wish they abandon Afghanistan too let their Allah save their azzes there.[/Quote]Christians even today are closer to the muslims than pagans are. Look at 9japagan fighting christians and muslims while supporting the old pagans of Makka who are no more, Thank Allah. Think, mehn.


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Space ke?. The Allah who thought that y'all will ride donkeys till the end of time is talking about space. When he said , "you have power to penetrate", he was talking to the men to grab as many women as they can and penetrate them. It has nothing to do with space exploration. Can your Muhammed even spell "space" in the first place how much less talking about its exploration?. If Muhammed prophesied about space, why didn't the muslim world enter the space before the devil worshiping Christians or atheist Russians?[/Quote]Thank God you did at least know that progress is based on Christianity. But then look into Quran and you will see Space exploration in Surah Rahman, and please give me something like that in OT and or NT. If you can't in any Bible, any version and edition, even the most ancient Greek and or Latin Manuscript, know that you have a fraud and a deficient document you are saying God is the Author of everything in it.


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Need I say more?. Thats why y'all have been killing as many of us as you can get. If my discussion here is not virtual, I can assure you that I would have been waylaid by the likes of LagosShia, McLatunji and Jenifa.[/Quote]Where do you file the fights of Moses, Joshua who killed nations without leaving anything moving, similar to the mindset of Christian Benjamin Adekunle? Where would you file the killings of Philistines under David, how about the warring King Solomon the wisest man in the Bible? How do you file the Nazi christians killing the still chosen people, according to your Bible, since your salvation is in the hands of the jews?

^^ a woman having butterballs dot com? its thanksgiving so anything is possible. its turkey season, anyways.
christians make things up or grow things this time of the year; father christman or santa claus.

[Quote] Re: The Islamization Of Osun Schools-- A personal appeal from Aloy@Emeka
« #43 on: Today at 02:24:10 AM »

Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM
see how Allah (swt) have defended us and granted us victory and will continue to:

FULFILLED PROPHECIES IN THE QURAN

3.) The unbelievers will lose!
Are your Unbelievers, (O Quraish) better than they? or have ye an immunity in the Sacred Books? Or do they say: "We acting together can defend ourselves"? Soon will their multitude be put to flight, and they will show their backs.(Holy Quran 54:45)

In the above chapter which was revealed in Mecca before the Hijra (the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina upon persecution) this verse is promising the unbelievers defeat and telling them that they cannot defend themselves against God.this was at a time when the muslims were oppressed and suffering persecution.indeed the muslims left Mecca and thereafter the Quraish (the Meccan clans) continued their offensive against the muslims.God made sure His promise came to pass as the Meccans were humiliated in a series of battles fought between the two sides.

How come the west is kicking y'all azzes in the middle east?. Where is your Allah to defend you?. Many of you get false sense of security after reading that jargon from the quran and that's why men like Sadaam, Osama, Ghadaffi, etc who defied the Christian west got their head in their pot of soup. Where the heck was Allah when the US captured and executed these men?[/Quote]The writer of the bold is ignorant, because Yahweh was always is when children of Israel were made slaves by paganic pharaoh of egypt, sacked even by paganic iran, even by christian arian nation of nazi. I will ignore the other rants.



[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM

4.) They cannot harm you (O Prophet)!
They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; if they come out to fight you, they will show you their backs, and no help shall they get. (Holy Quran 3:111)

This meccan verse is assuring the Prophet (sa) that the enemies cannot harm.this again was revealed during harsh days.
Israel is presently doing the same thing to roast the azzes of the muslim world. Another proof that your Allah is a liar.[Quote]What would say about Jehovah when Jesus was being hung? What would make of Yahweh when children of Israel were being carted away like rag dolls, the reason they had Lamentation[s]? ALhamdulillah, we muslims are not lamenting but checking ourselves about our level of Iman, and realizing that it is trial for us; the good times and the not so good times. Allah is capable and that is why we are standing firm.



[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM
6.) They will fight you from behind walls
Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding.They will not fight you (even) together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting (spirit) amongst themselves: thou wouldst think they were united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom.(Holy Quran 59:12-14)
Which kin behind walls?, The US took war to the heart of Islam and will not relent to put Iran in their place if they intend to continue the lies handed to them by their Allah.[/Quote]Fort is a military term for wall. You must have seem fort built by past powerhouses, some remnants of walls still remaining.



[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM
7.) New means of transportation
And (He has created) horses, mules, and donkeys, for you to ride and use for show; and He creates (other) things of what ye have no knowledge.(Holy Quran 16:8 )

In the above verse the horses,mules,and donkeys have being created to aid man in movement and to pride himself.God is telling man that it He who creates other things which man have no knowledge of as at that time.
Is your Allah not capable of predicting the future?. Ahhh, I forgot that he was probably illiterate. So he didn't see Henry Ford in his wildest dreams?. Even Muhammad the great prophet couldn't prophesy beyond 1 century?.Is that why y'all still ride the donkey like gas is too expensive in the desert nations?. I bet you your Allah thought the world began and ended in the middle east. What an Allah!!.[/Quote]Allah says penetrate the heaven/space if you can, except as far as Allah permits. That tells you that even the aircraft means of travel was already mentioned. I wonder if you have ability to think ahead and go back to 1,400 some years back.



[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM
8.) They shall soon be victorious
The Roman Empire has been defeated― In a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious Within a few years. With Allah is the Decision, in the Past and in the Future: on that Day shall the Believers rejoice― With the help of Allah. He helps whom He will, and He is Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. (It is) the promise of Allah. Never does Allah depart from His promise: but most men understand not. (Holy Quran 30:2-6)

The Christian Romans were decisively defeated in syria by the pagan Persians in 613- 614 AD and Jerusalem was taken.in 619 egypt was taken by the persians.upon the defeat of the romans the meccans were jubilating and boasting that as the persians defeated the romans who also claim divine inspiration,they shall defeat the muslims.naturally,the muslims who also believe in Jesus (as),as prophet and messenger of the true God,felt spiritually closer to the Christians and the pagan arabs felt closer to the persians.as the muslims were grieved,the above verses were revealed.the above verses were revealed to calm the muslims and assure them that in a few years the romans shall defeat the persians.in 622 Jerusalem was recaptured by the romans and they enjoyed a series of victories and gave the persians hard blows.
Romans were Christians?. Did you do history at all?. The same Romans who were killing the Christians?. Are you deluded?. After defeating the Ottomans, who else can the 3rd world muslim nations defeat?. Pray tell the US leaves Iraq by Jan and I wish they abandon Afghanistan too let their Allah save their azzes there.[/Quote]The man with little mind does not know that christians were closer in worship to the muslims, while the persian pagans were closer to the makkan pagans in worship. Everyone knew it in that time. The pagans of Makka laughed at Muslims when Christian Rome was defeated, and Allah shut their filthy mouth in a short period of time when rome was resurrected to defeat the pagan. You live in this advance time, but the makka pagans were able to grasp the verse better than you! Either you are being intentionally playing a dunce or you are truly one. If you are the later, i pray that you don't see a big cat on the plain of serengeti and think its the stray cat in your Eko neighborhood, calling it to yourself to take it back home as is. You will be lunch meat, and the bones will be picked dry by the likes of vultures. If you are the former, don't let your hatred of Islam because it made your idol what he is, prophet of God clouded your judgment so much so you run for a hug from a male lion. even the juvenile female lion will crush you like a stone crusher.



[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM
10.) Space Exploration
O company of jinn and men, if ye have power to penetrate (all) regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate (them)! Ye will never penetrate them save with power. (Holy Quran 55:33)
Have you ever heard that knowledge is power? Indeed we should not only take the word “power” to mean iron and energy but also to mean knowledge.it was only with knowledge that man was able to travel to space.
Space ke?. The Allah who thought that y'all will ride donkeys till the end of time is talking about space. When he said , "you have power to penetrate", he was talking to the men to grab as many women as they can and penetrate them. It has nothing to do with space exploration. Can your Muhammed even spell "space" in the first place how much less talking about its exploration?. If Muhammed prophesied about space, why didn't the muslim world enter the space before the devil worshiping Christians or atheist Russians?[/Quote]Read Surah Rahman. You will find space exploration in there. Then go back to your Bible, pick any version, any edition, even the most ancient manuscript of greek and or latin language, etc, find space exploration in there and let us know.



[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Yesterday at 12:08:03 AM
12.) Permission to Fight and Allah is Able to Make you Victorious.Allah is With Those Who Help Him:
Lo! Allah defendeth those who are true. Lo! Allah loveth not each treacherous ingrate. (38) Sanction (to fight) is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged; and Allah is indeed Able to give them victory; (39) Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is Allah - For had it not been for Allah's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty –
(Holy Quran 22:38-40)
[b]Need I say more?. [/b]Thats why y'all have been killing as many of us as you can get. If my discussion here is not virtual, I can assure you that I would have been waylaid by the likes of LagosShia, McLatunji and Jenifa.[/Quote]Which column would you file actions of Moses, Joshua, etc in OT about fighting? Which column will you fill i am sent with division of family not unity of it, bringing war and sword not bringing peace? Where do you file buying swords and bringing protesting citizens before the king of kings for slaughter? Aloy@Emeka, you expose christianity to us for big punch lines from your Bibles always.[/quote][/quote]

^They have always been educated. Pakistan and Bangladesh had women presidents/Prime Ministers.

How do you think distance learning has its upbringing, except that Muslim women students receive their lectures via watching TV.

In most mosques in the west, the women see the lecturers and hear it through watching the Tube. You are so backward in thoughts.

^ Show me the verse of the New Covenant you have with God.
We know about the so called covenant with the Jews, which are really laws and instructions, with direct condition that if there is obedience, the individual will be forgiven covered with Mercy.

Show us that about the Christian coming from Yahweh, or Jehovah, though Jesus said Ellah.

The word covenant from be in there and ponder, how and why the jewish covenant is cancelled for christian covenant? Should that not be the same with Islam of Muhammad [as]? After all it has a book.

I intentionally leave out "why has Thou forsaken me" and obvious questioning of God.

The questioning is similar to the jews who say "where was God during holocaust", hence he says I will not forgive God as if that threatens the Full Authority of God over all things.


Some even go so far to say that there is no God, which is another form of questioning Him as if to say show Yourself if You exist.

^^^^^^ I am not trying to satisfy you. You do not decide my fate. Jesus does not either.

Was Moses a sinner because Yahweh told him to fight and kill some disbelievers?
If not, since that was a command of God that he obeyed, I wonder what sin Muhammad [as] committed?

If Jesus of the bible was not a sinner, when you read the Bible, tell me if a person who denies his mother the right of motherhood is not a sinner?

^^^ at you, sir.

Tell us what the the Bible says about the sun.
Maybe the bible is correct, if you believe the Quran is not.


I do hope that the Bible will make things clear both visually, scientifically and sincerely in reality?

@Lagosshia: « #109 on: Today at 02:30:12 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:09:38 PM
it will be redundant to give an ayah, because they were still married to the prophet [as], after that instead of giving them divorce. Earlier, Allah threatened them of divorce and they sat up straight and remained wives of their noble husband. The silence of Almighty therefore on the matter was an approval of their new attitude of obedience. Imagine if they were divorced at the time Allah threatened them in Surah Azhab; The would not have been considered wives of the prophet, hence mothers of believers [ra]. They would not have been true muslims but everyone would have looked at them as hypocrites or outright disbelievers like the one whose Zakat was rejected by Allah, and he then resorted to build rival mosque in Madina.
The women would have been free to marry, and no muslim will marry them, but the disbelievers who would think that they would get to the prophet [as] and the companions [ra], indeed Islam by such act would. But none of these happened and the hearts of these special women [ra] remained steadfast and married no one, muslim or not. Who strengthened their hearts, but Allah?
Should I remind you again that Noah and Lot (as) didn’t divorce their wives and they were condemned to hell?
There is nowhere Allah (swt) “threatened” them with divorce.Allah (swt) told them that He can provide the Prophet (sa) with better wives.and indeed someone like Umm Salamah (RA) was a better wife to the Prophet (sa) than both Aisha and Hafsa.

Again,please after Allah (swt) condemned them and said their hearts have deviated from faith,show us where they were forgiven.

Also,take in mind the atrocities committed after the Prophet’s (sa) death.[/Quote]As I have stated, Allah did not need to announce to the people witnessing the mistake and the correction that followed, that the women are now forgiven. The fact that they were wives to the end nullified all you have put together against them. May Allah forgive you and I. Amin. Muhammad [as] said to the people, to emphasize the lack of preferential treatment in Islam, unlike previous nations, not that Fatima [ra] will do evil [stealing, etc], if she were to do such a thing, she will be dealt with according to the Law of Allah. Allah forgives whosoever He Wills. Alah revealed to His Messenger [as] those who were hypocrites. And the messenger gave their names to a person not from his household, who was told not to attend the funeral prayer of each of the persons. None of the kalifah and the wives of the prophet [as] was among these people. That itself was an evidence that none of them deserves our calling them names or worse saying bad words after their mention, while we turn around and ask Allah to forgive all muslims.



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The wives were unlike other women, or wives if you wanna go there, just like their husband was not like other husbands or prophets, which you will agree?
[b]Actions speak louder than words.[/b]i don’t see what sort of woman my wife would be seen as if she prevents my beloved grandson from being buried near me because she hated my daughter from another mother.there is no parallel that a Prophet’s wife must be angelic.the Quran testifies to that by presenting the wives of Noah and Lot (as) as examples.also,the wife of the pharaoh was good and believing while the pharaoh himself was evil.[/Quote]While i will not go on with talking endlessly in opposition to a muslim, there is no guarantee that a child of a prophet will turn out to be angelic or even a believer. We see that Kabil was a killer and a son from Nuh [as] perished with the disobedient. Allah chooses where a person will end up, if one was not buried next to the prophet [as], it is not a sign of going to hell fire. Fatima [ra] was closer to the messenger than the grandchildren. This is a fact, because children are closer than grandchild. Non of my siblings who had passed is buried even in the same country with their father.



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Allah said about the prophet in Surah Abasa; He turned his face. Please read it from beginning to verse 11. Now, show me a verse where Allah says that the messenger [as] went to the blind man after this. If you can't know that it was not necessary, just as the declaration that the wives are obedient, again, after they have been warned.
Allah says to Muhammad [as] in Surah Azhab; Takillah. Was the prophet not the most who is tawakUllah? Of course, he has the greatest fear or consciousness of Allah. You can't then say if a person was called out, and not ultimately condemned that he or she is condemned, because you see where they were called out. If that was the case the whole of Makka was condemned and no muslim would have came out of her.
You keep denying that you’re not sunni.yet you even take sunni interpretations for Quranic verses.according to Shia tafseer and muhaddithin,that verse was not revealed regarding the Prophet (sa).it was not the Prophet (sa) who turned his face and frowned at a beggar.[/Quote]Just because did not choose the opinion of the Shia in this matter does not mean i will side with Sunni always. And even if I do, it does not make me a sunni because i do not hyphenate my Islam. I may not agree with shia in few things like Muta and insulting the wives and companions of the prophet [as], and a few other things, that will not mean that I disagree with them in all things. I am neither a sunni nor a shia. But i am definitely a muslim and InshaAllah I will die on that path.



[Quote]But even if I am to agree with you for argument sake that it was the Prophet (sa),there are verses thereafter which reveal that Allah (swt) was well-pleased with the Prophet (sa).Surah al-Fath is a testimony to that.[/Quote]My brother, you know that you do not love Muhammad [as] more than me. If you know this, then realize that my talking about Surah Abasa, is because it gives us good lessons and relative to this discussion. I must also tell you there are verses where Allah says that He is pleased with the Companions, who were also pleased with Him. This is the declaration of Allah in more than 1 verse. Allah also said that the messenger [as] should take from their wealth as mean of purity.



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This opinion like this reminds me of the fake hadith that says if any change his religion he should be killed. It will not include women in this case because she will be her, not him. It will mean muslims will be killing adults who enter Islam. It will mean that it does against many ayat of the Quran.
Whatever![/Quote]If you see anything bad in my character and you will not at least advise me, I think that is not good. I do hope that you forgive me, knowing fully that I am a weak soul. May Allah strengthen us all. Amin.
Allah knows best.

@Mabell; Which God will build church, of His servant Jesus did not build any for the children of Israel he was sent to?

@Judek2: Who is a sinner?

Lets try the one that goes against the command or law from God.
If you disregard your mother, you are a sinner.
If you blame God you are a sinner.

[Quote]« #104 on: Yesterday at 11:19:12 PM »

Sweetnecta says:

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And as to Hadith, there is no final condemnation from the messenger [as] about any of his wives.


"If you both (women) repent to Allah, (it is better for you), for your hearts have swerved from the right path.But if you support one another against the Prophet, then surely Allah is his Protector; and after that Gabriel and all righteous believers and the angels are all his supporters.".(Holy Quran 66:4)

[b]Needless to say, there is no single verse, which states that Aisha or Hafsa turned in repentance after their hearts had already deviated or that Allah the Most Exalted has accepted their repentance anywhere in the Quran. [/b]Whereas, we find in the Quran an example of three of the Prophet’s companions who had stayed behind and had not taken part in the battle of Tabuk but then asked Allah for forgiveness,

“And to the three who were left behind, until the earth became strait to them notwithstanding its spaciousness and their souls were also straitened to them; and they knew it for certain that there was no refuge from Allah but in Him; then He turned to them (mercifully) that they might turn (to Him); surely Allah is the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.” (Holy Quran Holy Quran, 9:118)


Allah the Most Exalted has documented the repentance of those three companions as well as his acceptance of their repentance in the holy Quran, the most truthful book of all books. However, He has not documented any of that for Aisha after condemnation and describing her heart as "deviated from belief".[/Quote]it will be redundant to give an ayah, because they were still married to the prophet [as], after that instead of giving them divorce. Earlier, Allah threatened them of divorce and they sat up straight and remained wives of their noble husband. The silence of Almighty therefore on the matter was an approval of their new attitude of obedience. Imagine if they were divorced at the time Allah threatened them in Surah Azhab; The would not have been considered wives of the prophet, hence mothers of believers [ra]. They would not have been true muslims but everyone would have looked at them as hypocrites or outright disbelievers like the one whose Zakat was rejected by Allah, and he then resorted to build rival mosque in Madina.
The women would have been free to marry, and no muslim will marry them, but the disbelievers who would think that they would get to the prophet [as] and the companions [ra], indeed Islam by such act would. But none of these happened and the hearts of these special women [ra] remained steadfast and married no one, muslim or not. Who strengthened their hearts, but Allah?
The wives were unlike other women, or wives if you wanna go there, just like their husband was not like other husbands or prophets, which you will agree?
Allah said about the prophet in Surah Abasa; He turned his face. Please read it from beginning to verse 11. Now, show me a verse where Allah says that the messenger [as] went to the blind man after this. If you can't know that it was not necessary, just as the declaration that the wives are obedient, again, after they have been warned.
Allah says to Muhammad [as] in Surah Azhab; Takillah. Was the prophet not the most who is tawakUllah? Of course, he has the greatest fear or consciousness of Allah. You can't then say if a person was called out, and not ultimately condemned that he or she is condemned, because you see where they were called out. If that was the case the whole of Makka was condemned and no muslim would have came out of her.

This opinion like this reminds me of the fake hadith that says if any change his religion he should be killed. It will not include women in this case because she will be her, not him. It will mean muslims will be killing adults who enter Islam. It will mean that it does against many ayat of the Quran.

@Frosbel; « #93 on: Today at 10:11:35 PM »
[Quote]ISLAM a religion of peace Huh

Is this some kind of joke or what ?[/Quote]The women are after you, ol boy.
They open the flood gates of tremendous proofs against your falsehood.

You thought you were hooked on NL before? Your hooking up is just beginning.

I just pity madam and her pikins.


InshaAllah, by the time you are reay to return home, Islam would have became a thing that is the religion of Eastern Nigeria.

You are in for a shock, mehn.

few hours, the sun set where frosbel was. it just set less than one hour here. it is not set inlos angeles. it will take at least 2 hours before it sets in california.


so how many sun[s] are there if its setting where people are, as its light is obscured from us by the curvature of the earth as our point on the earth moves away from her.

to some it will set when it sinks into the ground [horizon]. if you are at the far end of a large body of water that you did not see its end, the sun will sink into the water [it appears, because that is the horizon] in this case, instead of ground that you may feel in the desert.

Oh. I woke up and i saw the sun rose from between the row of houses.

Was that true? Did it set right there last night?

Does the sun really set? Does it really rise?

If it set, tell me what it sets in or set to?


if it rises, tell me what it rises from ?


Leave the visual observations, alone.

soon you will know that Jesus was not God, and there are only gods, but Allah is The Only God.

tattooed.

ALoy@Emeka, she o fe ki nso nkon ti mo nro?
Esin kiriyo ki nse esin gidi.

Jesu ki shee kiriyo.

taa ba wa wo gbogbo e, a mo wipe ibi ti iro baa wa, ti o je owun ni ipinlee, ko le si ootooo nbe.


You see why i can have the same opinion under this glaring proofs?


the same sex people are tatooed. bad upon bad.

those who are destined for disaster on the day of Judgement will leave wholesome religion which properly identifies God and then enter a 3 god in 1 religion. Okay way.

Are you happy now, frosbel.

please what is the meaning of frosbel and how did you come to settle for it as your id? I am interviewing the dude from uk.

They are not muslims. Islam is not by lip service. It is Quran and authentic sunnah/hadith. Good behavior.

@Aloy@emeka; « #12 on: Today at 12:28:28 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: frosbel on Yesterday at 05:01:17 PM
True but sad.

So many traditions that we were born into are not biblical.

One thing I like about we Christians is that we have the freedom to question these sorts of non-biblical practises.

Gbam, unlike Islam where you may be beheaded for questioning the words of Muhammad.[/Quote]Was the piece questioning the words of Jesus your god? Or did Mr. Frosbel questioned the words of the same Jesus?

Why would Aloy@emeka use different yardstick for the same or similar materials?

christian missionary atrocities, a set of videos on youtube disproves aloy@emeka about the dove like quality of the missionary people.

[Quote]« #4 on: Yesterday at 06:27:35 PM »

Oh yes, my Yoruba brothers  Grin

In fact when I attended UI , Muslims and Christians were not only close but shared and did things together.

More of a cultural thing, and remember many of them ( Yorubas ) are not serious with the Arab brand of ISLAM. I know , cos they are my friends,  Grin

Also not a few Hausa muslims ( middle class ) , when they come to the South , they just throw their religion 'under the bus '.    Cheesy[/Quote]His UI stint is enough to qualify him as pundit on yoruba muslim affairs, because he befriends a handful of yoruba muslims. Its like me saying the many igbo men and women i know who are chrsitians and don't pour out libation, are true igbo christian representation. Are igbos who pour libation, etc are not true christians?

Maybe we should ask the one they say is their god. What did Jesus say about libation? Is there any reason to take these people as fake Christians? Was Jesus even a christian?

When the educated christians go up north, what do they do with their libation allowed christianity?

@Frosbel; please apply the same logic to the christians, above. Give me your explanation.


While Islam is a middle course, extremism of not worshiping and doing good work, because of liberality is unacceptable.
The same condition applies to the extremism of not taking in what is good in this world, as to therefore shown yourself out, not accommodating others.

@Judek2: « #7 on: Today at 08:48:46 AM »

Please @Sweetnecta

Are you trying to tell me that Mohammad did not sin? on your post
was Mohammad (sa) a sinner?[/Quote]I was saying clearly he [as] was not a sinner.


[quote]That Jesus is the sinner on your post
Was Jesus (as) realy sinless according to the bible

the bible made him a sinner. the Quran declared him different.

@Shiite and Lagosshia: « #90 on: Yesterday at 03:08:35 PM »
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As for the issue about Aisha,this isn't an issue about "them".this has to do with the precedence set by the Prophet (sa).it is to preserve the honor of the Prophet (sa).marriage includes intimacy.therefore muslim men having something intimate with the wives of their Prophet (sa) is forbidden and seen as indecent.that is that.even if any of them happens to be evil and rebellious and destined for the hell fire,it is forbidden to marry her after the Prophet (sa).so this is honor to prophet-hood.
Are you of the opinion that Allah did not know the future, therefore allowed His Last Messenger [as] to be a consort to those who will end up in hell fire, as you claimed above, whereas the Allah our Lord made sure that He forgave Hawa, told Nuh [as] that even his disbelieving son is not from his family, and told Lut [as] that his wife is one of those who lag behind, meaning a disbeliever?

Please explain yourself my brother and don't be emotional about it. Lets talk rationally because Islam is an advise.
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« #91 on: Yesterday at 03:19:07 PM »

The Qur'aan has actually both CONDEMNED and EXPOSED 'Aaishah in even Surah al-TaHreem. See verse 4. This is al-Mawdoodee's translation of verse 4:

If you both (women) repent to Allah, (it is better for you), for your hearts have swerved from the right path

This is his commentary:

The word saghat in the original is from Baghy which means to swerve and to become crooked. Shah Waliyullah and Shah Rafi'uddin have translated this sentence thus: "Crooked have become your hearts." Hadrat 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud, 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas, Sufyan Thauri and Dahhak have given this meaning of it: "Your hearts have swerved from the right path." Imam Razi explains it thus: "Your hearts have swerved from what is right, and the right implies the right of the Holy Prophet (upon whom be Allah's peace)." And 'Allama Alusi's commentary is Although it is incumbent on you that you should approve what the Holy Messenger (upon whom he peace) approves and disapprove what he disapproves, yet in this matter your hearts have swerved from conformity with him and turned in opposition to him."

See http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/66/index.html#sdfootnote7anc
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Some people are playing the emotional card here, and it is not helping the discussion. Both Prophet NooH (as) and Prophet LooT (as) were married to evil women. Yet, they NEVER divorced these two evil women. Does that in any way prove that those evil women were good people.

The fact that the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family, did not divorce 'Aaishah and Hafsah does not make them good people.
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@Sweetnecta
Brother 'shiite' has beaten me to the reply in providing you a verse you asked for from the Quran that condemns Aisha.so you would know that Aisha was no different than the wives of Lot and Noah (as) when you look at all the evidence objectively.it is not easy to discover that your eyes were sealed to many facts in Islam for a brother like you practicing the sunni ways and beliefs.i know what i am saying.the bitter fact is you cant as a sunni see the truth,when the father of Aisha is Abu bakr.you can also say that you are neither sunni or shia,but that is not true.everything in your words smell 'sunni' without you knowing.unfortunately,our ancestors were given the sunni interpretation of Islam without them knowing it.they were told simply that what they are being taught is 'Islam'.that is not even my concern in what you think you are.i am only telling you that only the word 'shia' is synonymous with 'muslim'.i am telling you,take it or leave,if you are not following the shia interpretation and beliefs,you are really missing Islam!

the verse condemning Aisha and Hafsat were revealed at a time the Prophet Muhammad (sa) was alive.if the Prophet (sa) was still alive when Aisha committed the attrocities (after the demise of the Prophet) we could have had more verses in the Quran condemning Aisha.anyways brother 'Sweetnecta',i really respect you for your devotion to and love for Islam especially in your cyber-jihad against the missionary christians.i only want to appeal to you to consider the facts at hand and evidence thus far in this enlightening thread.do not let stubborness or anything stop you from accepting the truth.may Allah (swt) be with you.
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« #94 on: Yesterday at 05:01:51 PM »

Special thanks and appreciation to brother 'shiite' aka 'kwara shia' for his contributions and great replies.[quote][/Quote]Allah is Akbar, truly. The verse is a warning, admonishing and obligating the women to return to the right course the had neglected. This is the first bold. We see a similar warning in Surah Azhab. The fact that the prophet [as] was not commanded to divorce any of his wives at the end of the day and died as their collective husband, they being his wives, remaining as such are collective evidence, in my mind and cognitive ability to see right for what it is and wrong for what it is, that i do not see them as anything but rightly guided women.

my opinion is derived from the Quran itself and the hadith;

From the Quran, Allah says in surah Nisaa that the person becomes disbeliever after belief. Then comes back to become believer and then goes back to disbelief. Then comes back to belief and then after it goes back to disbelief. Such a person continues in this way until it becomes a joke. We do not see the wives [ra] of the messenger [as] in this fashion, because Allah would not have allowed Muhammad [as] to continue to be their husband. To claim that they were condemned at the end of the day is contrary to Quran, if we look at the situations of the disbelieving wives of the earlier prophets [as], whose complete and final condemnation and tragic end happened in the lifetime of the individual prophet [as].

Surah on Abi Lahab who is an uncle of the Messenger [as], goes contrary to anyone thinking that Allah Will condemn a person and it is not clear, because there is no ayah of Mercy that will revealed on that person. This is not the case with any of the spouses of the messenger [as].

And as to Hadith, there is no final condemnation from the messenger [as] about any of his wives. Allah would not have allowed him [as] to continue to share his life with wives who will not enter paradise. Muslims were allowed, and still allowed to marry people of the book; christian and jews and not pagans. There are 3 sets of people; 1 of them is a believing group, the muslims. The 2 other groups are disbelievers, consisting the pagans and people of the book. Neither of the wives of the prophet is a non muslim, being called mother of believers. Disbelievers in reality, will not be so honored as mothers of believers, especially when they are not the blood mother. And Allah would not allow the messenger to marry hypocrites. If they were not hypocrites in his lifetime, there was no reason for them to be hypocrites after him, and Allah did not expose their deceit and divorced them once and for all, It does not make sense, unless you will apply the idea that Muhammad [as] did not have Islam completed on him and hence he was with hypocrites?

Incidentally, you will have to invent another prophet, or a holy ghost, like the christian's holy ghost to make this even a conversation.

When Muhammad [as] warned Ali [ra] to be gentle with Aisha [ra], it tells us that he already knew the outcome. What did Ali [ra] do as the outcome was exactly the case? he was gentle. When Ali [ra] got to the place of his death, as the messenger predicted, he also knew it and he did not curse any of the wives or companions [ra]. In his Kalifah reign, he did not unearth the bodies of Abu Bakr and Umar Khattab [ra], who remained laid beside the messenger [as].

If Wahshi [ra] who killed Hamzah ibn Abu Mutallab [ra] was not cursed, but received Mercy from Allah, why would anyone think that the wives of the messenger [as] do not have just the same amount of Mercy, from Allah [SWT] who reminded them of the right that they momentarily neglect?

Noah [as] was admonished, making him realize that his son was a disbeliever. Allah would have made the position of the 2 wives clear, instead of warning them to come back and keeping them as wives of His Beloved [as]. I remember the condition of the people who did not go to the campaign, and how Allah had told the messenger [as] to separate or isolate them. The one of these people who received Mercy from Allah said after his "victory" bestowed on him by Allah in forgiveness, that he knew he was not a loss cause because often he had seen the prophet [as] looked at him, a sign that there is Mercy coming to him from Allah [SWT]. This also reinforces that if the wives were like the wives of Nuh and Lut [as], there is no reason for Allah to allow His Messenger [as] to remain as their husband. Didn't Allah show Mercy on Hawa the wife of Adam [as] as she returned for forgiveness?