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@Seyibrown; if you have given me the name of the holy spirit since it is not holy ghost in your statement above, please provide it here and now.

i know the name of the one who spoke to moses as I AM. thats what aletheia said that moses heard. though later the same aletheia called Him
Yahweh as he decided to pray for me. Paul and you call Him Jehovah. Jesus called Him Ellah.

i will give you guys all the names above, including the rarely mentioned 'I AM'.

i know the name of the one you call the messiah to the whole world as Jesus, though he was sent to the children of Israel, and their messiah before the that prophet and the another comforter arrived.

i know not the name of the one you call the holy spirit. please give me its name. you will do yourself a favor by educating this man, at least providing the proper name of the one who got young Mary pregnant before Yahweh became the father. i do hope you realize that if you say Yahweh got her pregnant, you have destroyed the trinity meaning that the christian's holy spirit is a lie?

if you drag it further, then Jesus actually got his own mother pregnant is what you will be saying, then duality will be the only possible thing standing. and that is bad for christianity.


@Micullies; please accept my sincere apology if i am rude, even utterly rude. i will not respond to frosbel, ever again. but i want Seyibrown or any christian to give me the name of holy spirit. the name must not be the name of Jesus or the name of Yahweh. otherwise christianity is finished.

^^^^^^^^^^^ As bad as what the called said, showing his americana that should have been thrown away as a muslim, he is not as worse as neither the tv nor you.

why; the arab among the the tv host was vile in return of the greeting.

both of you, do not tell the truth about God, Jesus His servant or Muhammad [as] who came after Jesus [as].

no Muslim who believes in the Quran 100% will say Jesus went to India or was hung.

when the caller said terribly he will hang the tv persons as Jesus was hung, he was reminding them of their lying bibles and their disbelieving in what Quran says.

either way, seyibrown, on that day that death comes to each christian they will know the truth about Jesus. inchaAllah, on the Day of assembly, Jesus call be called by Maliki Qudus to tell the whole of us, people before his birth and those after his position as God or not.

no 'prophet' is God. no one with message is God. God has never stepped on earth at anytime, in any form.

it is not part of Islam of Muhammad [as].

the Islam that is completed on Muhammad started from Adam [as].

when it was finally completed like a mansion with its last break, there is no room for 'make up', by anyone.

@Seyibrown; you told me weeks ago that you will write about your Jesus as if he will be different from the incomplete knowledge-d and powerless one on the pages of the bibles. what happened?

@Seyibrown; « #46 on: Yesterday at 11:37:28 PM »
my hairs are now salt and pepper waiting for you to tell us about your Jesus different from what we already know in the bibles. this was what i expected from you on the evangelicals thread of JeSoul. i already accepted that you are not going to do it.

[Quote]@ abubello

Many christians 'prostrate' before God in church but mostly in the privacy of their own homes homes![/Quote]like Jesus did in the many time of the night at geshsemane? what you are doing in the 'privacy' was done publicly by Jesus. what you are doing publicly; church worship, Jesus did not do at all. it shows how much you follow Jesus.


[Quote] I have seen my grandmothers and elderly female relatives not only prostrate but roll around on the floor praising God for something he has done![/Quote]show me where Jesus rolled around on the floor. making up your worship as it pleases you is idolatry.


[Quote] I have done it myself. It is a joyous/ emotional act of worship or communing with God, not something routine and lacking life! It is not a formality as in Islam; It is from the heart or as the spirit leads![/Quote]arrogance. what God demanded from your god Jesus, you ignored and termed it routine, lacking life, and then formality as in Islam. this is a proof against you, seyibrown. when God commands, it is the obedience to God that what is commanded is done, however simple or complex it may be. if you do otherwise and says it brings you joy of worship and your heart or an unnamed spirit led you, behold, you have received your reward. God rewards the obedient for practicing obedience.


[Quote]Christians do not see 'prostration' as a sign or act of submission to God;[/Quote]Yet Jesus saw prostration in a very specific way as submission posture to God.


[Quote] you submit to God with your heart! You worship God from your heart. The outward act could be the raising up of your hands towards heaven, singing, jumping, dancing, clapping, observing silence, kneeling . . . . . any action at all![/Quote]Jesus did not make up his mode of worship. he was told to prostrate and he asked God what he wanted in that very position. he didnt beat drums, sang or clapped hands or danced.


[Quote]The 'pharisee' way of worshipping God is not from the heart. It is merely an outward display for all to see some pretend righteousness![/Quote]no one sees a muslim who forsook his bed at night to stand in prayers, bow in prayers and to prostrate in prayers. can anyone qualify muslims as pharisee because of congregational salah while jews who prayed at the wailing wall and the christians in the churches are not?


[Quote] . . . . AND NO PROPHETS BEFORE MOHAMMED WERE MUSLIMS! The claim is as laughable as the 'Ishmael taught the arabs arabic' claim made by our beloved NL Muslim Bros! Grin Grin[/Quote]And no saved people ever existed before christians or jews. but we saw that under noah people were saved. under lot people were saved. how were they saved, except others were perished? neither noah and the people saved with him nor lot and the people saved with him him were jews or christians. they were not religion-less. and Moses never wailed at the wall. Jesus never entered a church. we know that both Moses and Jesus prostrated their faces to God Who is Unseen and uniquely One. muslims are called many names including the people who are patient about God's decision, and many other names to include the believers; muminu.

@donpizzaro; « #38 on: Today at 08:35:11 PM »
[Quote]Abubello.it is obvious you are an illiterate of History.

Mohammed was born 570 A.D .
He copied books(THE HOLY BIBLE) that had being read before his tenth great grandfather was born and called it Quorran.He gave it to his ignoramus followers like u and your fore fathers.[/Quote]The Quran contains the information about the death of Pharaoh and where he would be found. the Bibles do not contain these. Less than 50 years ago, the body of this particular Exodus tyrant was identified. This confirms what the Quran say when the Egyptians went back to their archives and realized that this body, was found on a hill [high enough that it can be seen from the other side of the water. the benefit of it being placed in a high place so that it can be seen from the other side is that after the death of this tyrant, the children of Israel looked back and saw his lifeless body. they knew this is a tyrant that will not pursue them again].

The Quran has the name of Hamaan and his position as the man tyrant Pharaoh asked mocking to build a tower that he may reach the heaven to see the God of Moses. This is not in the Bibles. so the enemies of Allah; jews and christians and others say maybe Muhammad [as] made this up, instead of the fake tower of babel story, he used it for pharaoh who came much much later. these enemies say that the jews knew their own story more than the 'illiterate arab'. Who will know the story of the jews in egypt better than te jews, but the egyptians themselves? thank God, the egyptians in the time of Moses were pagans but they kept pretty good records by their hieroglyphics. so the german/austrian combo went to study egyptian writingand amazingly found in the time of Moses the chief builder in the court of the pharaoh was named Hamaan. somewhere in a village in germany or austria they erect a statue of 'hamaan'.

we truly see that the Quran copied the Bibles in the incomplete stories of the bibles. But Quran added what were missing and the copying is similar to the reality of the earth being spherical lately, versus the fake earth that was said to be flat.



[Quote]History is full of the wicked acts of the follower of this evil religion called islam.[/Quote]yes; 2 world wars were muslims. holocaust was muslims. so was spanish inquisitions and others.



[Quote]Look at Nigeria and the world we all can see how you religion is bringing "peace"[/Quote]i agree that there are ignorant people in islam, but Quran and hadith are not of ignorance, but bibles are. it is in the bibles that you will find God as 1 and later becomes 3; one a dead man, the other a ghost that mounts a virgin and the last a father who does not show mercy unless the 'begotten son' was hung. in nigeria, the christians accused children of witchcraft or being witches.



[Quote]Islam is Bullshit ,a perversion of the truth.[/Quote]your truth. so let me hold 3 M euro for a week. then i will give you 1 M euro as a trinity money and we are even.

All our arrogance, our wit and more shall vanish on that Day. only the Truth of God that He is Alone shall be the Reality.

[Quote]« #16 on: Today at 12:54:02 PM »

Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 10:52:54 AM
This freak is dumber than dumb.

[b]You have a fine way of describing yourself. [/b]Grin[/Quote]if you 'freak' don't know that i referred you as freak, and you grinned, then here is what people say about you, and please continue to bury your head in the pit so that ignorance magnifies, you will be asked your Creator, and i will be asked of my own by my Creator. i will ignore all your other opinions in an attempt to respond to me. If God tells you He is I AM but you ignored this Name, He says He is Allah to me. I do not dare to call Him I AM, because I AM is meaningless, incomplete. I AM ALLAH is proper when GOD is telling some one to tell people who the Sender is.

a white Muslim answering you;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZQqt3OAMNw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

a jewish rabbi describing you;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMi_-xqhBYw&feature=related

non muslim talking to you about the prophet [as];
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzoF_zMX_A&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[Quote] Re: Why Muslims Pray In Arabic?
« #24 on: August 24, 2011, 06:38 AM »

@sweetnecta,
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It was her ability o memorizing the Quran that helped her in the night school
dont u think that same woman of blessed memory with such ability could be whatever she set her mind to,
furthermore education by forced {memorizing} is actually an accient form of learning which had long been forgotten in the west.
what am saying in essence is your link btw her memorising the quaran n her adult education has no basis whatsoever., i.m.o.
thanks.[/Quote]i remember her daughter telling me about the Quranic recitation. she recited surah duha in warsh and i also was in tears. er daughter who is a christian [may Allah soften her heart into islam. amin] remarked that the knowledge of Quran helped her mother.
finally, west is just part of the earth. what is good from the west should the embraced and what is good from other part, should be embraced, too. i reminded a friend that today's long distance learning is a product of single sex education, or via video education that is common in Islam. so the countered that long distance learning is from correspondence school. i reminded her that Islam system of learning where the opposite sex is not seen by the lecturer has been around for 1400 years, much much earlier than any correspondence school system.

This freak is dumber than dumb.

[Quote]WHO WAS BEING ADDRESSED?

(a) The Biblical prophets know God as 'FATHER' (Deut. 32:6; Isaiah 63:16) - but in Islam, allah is never confessed as 'Father'.[/Quote]And Moses was told by the One Who sent him, tell the children of Israel that 'I AM' sent you. This I AM did not call Himself; Father of any one. The disbelievers made things up parade it as reality. We do know better because Allah answered you and exposed your lies.



[Quote](b) The Biblical prophets use a [b]personal name for God - 'Jehovah'. [/b]This is often translated in English Bibles as 'LORD', as in Psalm 95:6 - 'O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.' Yet, Allah is not known as Jehovah in Islam.[/Quote]I guess the jews, the first liars are truly liars because they use Yahweh for Him Who called Himself I AM instead of a proper and personal name. The messiah has a proper and personal name; Jesus. Jesus is truly more wrong that the jews because it is Eloi that the bible record from his lips. Jehovah, instead of I AM? Dishonesty of the highest grade.



[Quote]As a matter of fact, while many muslims claim that they are worshipping the same God as the Jews and Christians worship, it was Muhammad himself who said in the Quran that muslims do not worship the same God (see Quran 109).[/Quote]no jew who is a true jew worships Trinity; Jesus, Ghost and Jehovah. The jews are scared of meaning God's Name. Jesus came close to Muslim Allah by the Eloi or a variant of it. Definitely no one can formulate Yahweh, Jehovah or I AM from what Jesus on the cross is God.



[Quote]If you want to claim that all the prophets were muslims because of the one factor of bowing down, then you would as well have to claim that Islam worships Allah as 'FATHER'. Please show us a single verse where Allah is ever addressed as 'Father' in the Quran.[/Quote]Jesus in defending his mother said, i am a servant of Allah, His Messenger and He has given me a book, . . . . He ordained salah on me, Zakah, etc.
those who worship slaves, know that slaves will die, slaves are helpless not having the ability to benefit or hurt [and Jesus said that by his own power he can nothing]. Faking intelligence all leave gaps for people to see that it empty, weak, useless. my father was born in nigeria and he was the husband of my mother. those who claim God as their father do not see lies in what they claim, because in reality, their fathers are husbands of their mother and clearly God is the Creator of all.

[Quote]Again I quote them for you:
'Besides all this, it is not Arabic or Islamic culture during Mohammad's time to address people of different generations as "sister of" or "brother of" - even where you think they did, the speaker would have left some explanation.'

I am aware of the use of such relationships that is why I said plainly that "even where you think they did, the speaker would have left some explanation". There are plenty of hadiths where such relationships are used, and it is in the hadiths that the speaker himself explains what he means. Let me give you an example from the very hadith even YOU have cited -

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Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 651:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."[/Quote]who is that 'paternal' common person to the paternal brothers? It is Adam [as] the first man. All humans emanate from him. This is a fact. Even if the prophetic class of men was not distinguished by the statement of the prophet [as], every person will agree that he/she has a common source with all humans. Muhammad's hadith is nothing but the explanation of the Quran. Should Quran everything that confound the disbelievers? The Quran warns the disbelievers enough about consequences of disbelief. To explain how Mary is a sister to Aaron [as] is unnecessary because both are humans, having Adam as their father and both are from tribe of people from the children of Adam, they are both jews and a jew is a brother or sister to another. There are other reasons they are brother and sister.



[Quote]Like I said, even where such relationships are used, the speaker himself explains what he means - and that hadith ^^ concerning 'paternal brothers' is explained by the speaker himself (Muhammad) in other hadiths. Consider the following -

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Sahih Muslim Book 030, Number 5836:

Abu Huraira reported many ahadith from Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and one is that Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: I am most close to Jesus, son of Mary, among the whole of mankind in this worldly life and the next life. They said: Allah's Messenger how is it? Thereupon he said: Prophets are brothers in faith, having different mothers. Their religion is, however, one and there is no Apostle between us (between I and Jesus Christ).

You will also find an explanation in Number 5834 and 5835. As used in the earlier quote, "paternal brothers" is explained by the speaker himself in these other hadiths.



However, when it comes to Quran 19:28, what was Muhammad's explanation for Mary the mother of Jesus being called the "sister of" Aaron? Muhammad did not offer the same explanation! Rather he confused both himself, his community/communities (I hear they are divided now into more than 72!), and many of the Islamic mutilators of that verse! That is the one reason why you guys are taking galactic leaps between opinions and yet finding no explanation to that verse! Grin

Did Muhammad "explain" that Mary as the "sister of" Aaron was a matter of brotherhood in one religion? NO!

Does the Quran offer that explanation? NO!

Do Muslim mutilators commentators find an explanation in the Quran for that verse? NO.

What is the best they can give to "explain" that verse? TOMES ΟF EXCUSES and REPETITIVE FALLACIES! Grin Grin[/Quote]The religion of Jesus son of Mary is the same religion that Moses and Aaron [as to each] practiced. This is the religion of Mary the mother of Jesus. This is the same religion of Abraham [as]. Quran expresses thus in Surah Imran; oh people of the book why do you dispute about Abraham, when it was him that Torah and Injil were revealed. In another verse of Baqarah, Allah says that Abraham was not a jew or christian. . . . but a believer [hanifan], muslim. . . we should observe from the above, if we can think and be honest, we will observe that the true believers in God before Judaism and Christianity of today, have the same religion. Allah says in Surah Imran about Mary to prostrate and bow to God along with those who do. A person we know who did in the time of Mary will be Zacharias before Mary became a mother. Another was her son who clearly prostrated and bow to God, if we only use the events at the garden of gethsemane as our explanation, if any is needed. can any tinker tell me what the muslim commentators mutilated?

More to come later inchaAllah, about Jesus his mother Mary, the Angel.

read the dialogue between Mary and Holy Spirit and tell me the Holy Spirit is not a messenger; Jibril, but a form of God.


19'16 And mention, [O Muhammad], in the Book [the story of] Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place toward the east.

19:17 And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel [ruhana ; if you remember, you had agreed that ruhana is a spirit from the root word; Ruhu], and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.

19:18 She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."

19:19 He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord [rasulu Rabbiki to give you [news of] a pure boy."

19:20 She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"

19:21 He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "

19:22 So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.

@Aletheia; #17 on: August 21, 2011, 01:04 PM »
@nopuqeater:

May Yahweh grant you mercy.[quote][/Quote]what started out as I AM, finally becomes Yahweh. Why? It is be cause everything is a lie. Trinity is a lie. Jesus is a lie as son of, or God , or savior. Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is a lie as God. Christianity is a lie as a religion or a way ordained by God. Yahweh is a lie as father. I AM is a lie of God.

Now, i come to affirm that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit in the Quran by what Holy Spirit said to Mary when he came to tell her about the event of Jesus about to occur. Was the Holy Spirit a messenger her? Yes. But dont take my words for it. Listen to him as he identifies himself to Maryam so that she calms down. Its unlike the dialogue from the bibles telling a virgin some unknown thing, unseen is gonna mount her. imagine her as a female family what a wreck she becomes in the anxiety of the waiting for the unexpected to happen to her.

@aletheia; « #15 on: August 21, 2011, 12:53 PM »
[Quote]On December 11th:

Quote from: vedaxcool on December 11, 2010, 11:47 AM
Scum is the word for you . JJust like I defeat you in the thread my lord my lord why have thou forsaken me, I have again floored you here, as you couldn't answer a simple question that any Im*becil can answer but raised one that was thoroughly answered.Keep repeating symptoms of the mythomania you suffer from.
^^My what a lather you are in. You make a good case for Islamic civility. What an invective-filled missive. This is the typical rage of the blood-thirsty demons of Islam manifesting. Since you cannot harm me physically, you must needs content yourself with insults. Grin Defeat? Delusional as well. Just like your prophet who kept trying to commit suicide but needed regular doses of egomania from his familiar spirit to stop him doing so.

Quote from: vedaxcool on December 11, 2010, 11:47 AM
Again, the Liar shows us the reason why the word irredeemable drunk is synonymous to his character. As words that appear in bracket, any sensible person knows is the translator's addition based to clarify what is being talked about, you find this brackets even in the bible, but the irredeemable drunk has a bigger problem than NL can handle, as reading the verse gives us the following, it says for guidance and good tidings to the believers confirming what was revealed before ---In essence the Qur'an is what it refers to and you do not need to be an Eienstein to know this

^^And again; your own words betray the incompleteness of the qur'an. You say the words that appear in the brackets are the translators own addition---thereby proving my case that the Arabic of the qur'an does not contain Gabriel in the passages that refer to the Holy Spirit nether mentions qur'an in the referenced passage. Why would a translator need to add words to the qur'an to clarify it? It means the book is incoherent and needs to be assisted to communicate. In fact only about 8% of the qur'an is legible, and this error is further compounded by the insistence on a liturgical language of Arabic. Of course, this ignorance of what the Arabic actually says is partly why a lot of Nigerian Muslims are more "Muslim" than the Arabs---ignorance compounded by ignorance. It also means that the translator will add his own clarifying comments based on his fancies or traditions. After all Shi'a Islam reads some verses of the qur'an differently from Sunni Islam. And of the supposed 73 sects of Islam: your prophet declared that only one is the real one. Which one I wonder?

Of course, you show that you know nothing of the Bible! Show any where in the Bible where translators added words in brackets to clarify the meaning [/b]the way you Muslims alter the qur'an by adding names like Gabriel where Jibreel does not appear in the original text.[/Quote]about a thing not even in the bibles that you made up, eg Trinity?



[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on December 11, 2010, 11:47 AM

You are too incoherent to be answered.
^^And yet you wrote such a long rambling and largely incoherent post in reply to me. What are you afraid of? That the truth about the Satanic origin of Islam is coming out.

Quote from: vedaxcool on December 11, 2010, 11:47 AM
the word ruh also means soul, and hence writing the above only shows how myopic your thoughts really are. As the way the word spirit/soul gives us its interpretation, but typical of Christians they cannot read within the context.

^^Really? So let's look again at 15:29:

So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of[b] My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.
By your logic and wish-washy translation Allah breathed his soul into Adam; which means Adam was Allah. You yourself know that the Arabic word for soul is nafs similar to the Hebrew nephesh; while spirit is ruh likewise similar to Hebrew ruach

And we see this in your qur'an:

2:281. And fear a day wherein you shall be returned to God, and every soul shall be paid in full what it has earned; and they shall not be wronged.
Which in Arabic is: Waittaqoo yawman turjaAAoona feehi ila Allahi thumma tuwaffa kullu nafsin ma kasabat wahum la yuthlamoona

So you are being disingenuous when you say ruh means soul when even your qur'an clearly uses nafs for soul and ruh for spirit.
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Re: Alethea; This Is For You. So Tell Me The Name Of You Ghost God.
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On December 12th

You did not address the fact that in the qur'an the Arabic word used for soul is nafs; the word used for spirit is ruh.

The word soul appears several times in your sura baraqah that I quoted and in all cases it is the derivatives of nafs that is in the Arabic not ruh. You know you cannot deny that hence no attempt to rebut but a rather weak attempt at diversionary tactics. Make all the noise you want. Tell all the lies you wish. Here is the verdict: There are no verses in the qur'an that call Gabriel the Holy Spirit.

Neither did you address the fact that your prophet knows little about the Holy Spirit according to his own words. Witness: 17:85 They will question thee concerning the Spirit. Say: 'The Spirit is of the bidding of my Lord. You have been given of knowledge nothing except a little.'

Thus your prophet confessed that he knew little about the Holy Spirit. And this borne out by the fact that the word "Holy" or "Holiness" scarcely occurs in the qur'an. Neither has any Muslim being able to answer the question I posed weeks back. What does holiness mean to a Muslim?
As Jesus declared: "By their fruits you will know them"

What is the unholy fruit of the unholy followers of an unholy prophet of an unholy god of an unholy religion called Islam? Murder, despoil, broken families, heartlessness, lies etc. Is it any wonder that the most backward, deprived, dejected and poverty-stricken part of Nigeria is the Islamic North?

Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.[/Quote]you are really your father's son the liar who was the killer from the beginning. Ha. The statement seems to fit Paul like a glove. and it is he that you follow. where was Holy spirit or God's Spirit in the question asked by the Jews? you have no honor. whatever comes out og your mouth must be double checked for accuracy. whoever believes you, without making sure you didn't lie must have his or her head examined.

@ Aletheia; « #13 on: August 21, 2011, 12:49 PM »
[Quote]December 11th:

Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 11, 2010, 02:29 AM
Jibril, a spirit in many verses, including Surah Qadr (malaikatu wa ruhu fi ha).
Only an ignorant person will say ruhu here and other places will think that it is other than Jibril (AS).
Can any soul, muslim or not, know Quran more than the one who (AS), it was revealed upon?
^^
What a disaster your profession of Islam is:

Sura Qadr---the 97th that I quoted: Does it there say that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit? Isn't this what the 4th verse says in Arabic:

Tanazzalu almala-ikatu waalrroohu feeha bi-ithni rabbihim min kulli amrin. Where is Jibreel in it? It is a short sura; so I am sure it is no trouble for you to locate Jibreel in it and show us.[/Quote]does it say Jibril is not the Holy Spirit?




[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 11, 2010, 02:29 AM
So when a kafir is saying that Jibril is not the Ruhu or RuhuQudus, we should the disbeliever, what authority do you stand on?
Are you an arab? If yes, are you a muslim? If yes, did you hear Muhammad (AS) describe Ruhu, RuhuQudus other than saying it is Jibril? What is your authority, man?
Oh my. My. oh my. If you think this is overshadowing and overwhelming a young woman Mary, then look into your Bible. Quran does not say that.

^^^This kafir [/b]has proven that you lie when you say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit for your qur'an does not make that identification. Even you prophet did not say that:
17:85 They will question thee concerning [b]the Spirit. Say: 'The Spirit is of the bidding of my Lord. You have been given of knowledge nothing except a little.'

According to Sahih Bukhari this verse came down when the Jews questioned Muhammad on the Spirit's identity:

Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:

While I was walking in company with the Prophet in one of the fields of Medina, the Prophet was reclining on a palm leave stalk which he carried with him. We passed by a group of Jews. Some of them said to the others, "Ask him about the spirit." The others said, "Do not ask him, lest he would say something that you hate." Some of them said, "We will ask him." So a man from among them stood up and said, 'O Abal-Qasim! What is the spirit?" The Prophet kept quiet and I knew that he was being divinely inspired. Then he said: "They ask you concerning the Spirit, Say: The Spirit; its knowledge is with my Lord. And of knowledge you (mankind) have been given only a little." (17.85) Volume 9, Book 93, Number 554[/Quote]show me holy spirit or God's spirit in the above. i pay to God you don't die as a kafir be cause it the unending disaster.




[Quote]Hence, Muhammad did not even know the identity of God's Spirit.

Indeed show us where your prophet says Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. It is time for Muslims to stop lying on this thread.
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Re: Alethea; This Is For You. So Tell Me The Name Of You Ghost God.
« #14 on: August 21, 2011, 12:52 PM »

@nopuqeater: where are you? You invited me to this thread!

Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 11, 2010, 03:29 PM
And as to the Ruhu (Spirit) as in RuhuQudus, is there anyone with such a title other than Jibril (AS)? I asked the Keferi man who claims to know Islam more than Muhammad (AS), to give us an answer. We in Islam know who RuhuQudus is; Jibril. And Jibril has other titles as well.

^^Do you all now seek to outdo yourselves in seeing who will render the most insults to aletheia? Grin The truth indeed is bitter. You are all acting like those who murdered Stephen.

Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, [Acts 7:57][/Quote]sorry for stephen. i have noting to do with it. those who killed him wre jews or something and not muslims or this 9ja man. you lied and created God's spirit. show me in the dialogue with the jews God's spirit was mentioned? of course you already called yourself kafir, a word to mean keferi. so how did i insult you now?




[Quote]I have proven that there is no where in the qur'an that Gabriel is identified as the Holy Spirit or the Holy Spirit identified as Gabriel. Y'all suffering from cognitive dissonance arising from life-long brainwashing and living in bondage and darkness. You are spiritually dead men---and slaves to sin. And dead men hear not and see. Unless the Son of God, [/b]Jesus of Nazareth commands them to come forth like Lazarus. May Christ have mercy on you all.[/Quote]are your lies from your bibles. the unfortunate thing is that you live in the illusion and you are not giving yourself an out.




[Quote]As to your prophet. . .[b]the question he was asked was very specific.

Quote from: aletheia on December 11, 2010, 06:33 AM
According to Sahih Bukhari this verse came down when the Jews questioned Muhammad on the Spirit's identity:

Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:

While I was walking in company with the Prophet in one of the fields of Medina, the Prophet was reclining on a palm leave stalk which he carried with him. We passed by a group of Jews. Some of them said to the others, "Ask him about the spirit." The others said, "Do not ask him, lest he would say something that you hate." Some of them said, "We will ask him." So a man from among them stood up and said, 'O Abal-Qasim! What is the spirit?" The Prophet kept quiet and I knew that he was being divinely inspired. Then he said: "They ask you concerning the Spirit, Say: The Spirit; its knowledge is with my Lord. And of knowledge you (mankind) have been given only a little." (17.85) Volume 9, Book 93, Number 554

Hence, Muhammad did not even know the identity of God's Spirit.

Indeed show us where your prophet says Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. It is time for Muslims to stop lying on this thread.

The answer he gave is recorded in your 17th sura. It leaves little wiggle room for you lot. As always you add to your qur'an. The reason you do that is because it is an incomplete and incoherent book that needs to be propped up or else Islam will collapse under the weight of it's schizophrenic illogicalities and inconsistencies. Muslims are indeed zealous for their self-serving religion of convenience but as it is written in the Bible: "It is not good to have zeal without knowledge"[/Quote]show me if it is human spirit that the human jews asked the human messenger [as].




[Quote]The message has gone forth: the eternal gospel of our Lord and Savior; Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son of God: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. [1 Peter 3:22]

Maranatha! Jesus is Lord[/Quote]you know that jesus was a prophet, right?

@Alethea; « #12 on: August 21, 2011, 12:46 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: vedaxcool on December 10, 2010, 09:47 AM
[2:97] Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this (Quran) into your heart, in accordance with GOD's will, confirming
previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."

16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.

16:102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation(Qur'an) from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

2:97 says Gabriel brought down the Qur'an. and 16:102 is affirming that the Holy spirit Brought down the revelation, hence the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. QED

After nearly a month of evasive maneuvers; is this the best you can do. Let it be noted that there are no verses in the qur'an that state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Instead you present a tepid and rather circuitous QED.

Let us look at 2.97; noting that you also apply the same trick that your cohort chakula used above---interpolating words into the qur'an. 2.97 does not mention qur'an:

If we translated the Arabic without interpolating words, we arrive at:

Say: 'Whosoever is an enemy to Gabriel -- he it was that brought it down upon thy heart by the leave of God, confirming what was before it, and for a guidance and good tidings to the believers. (S. 2:97)
Notice it does not mention qur'an. Likewise in 16:101-102; we find only mention of a generic it. You added qur'an in order to try and make your assertion seem genuine.[/Quote]The word used in both verses is Nazzalahu. Why didnt you use transliteration as you did before if you are honest, but not a dishonest soul? Do you know what Nazzalahu is? Do you know how many names the Quran has? That is an assignment for you.



[Quote]Secondly the qur'an itself for all it's errors several times makes the distinction between the Spirit and angels for Gabriel is one of the angels, while the Holy Spirit is separate.
S97:4. The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord with every bidding.[/Quote]In high school, it can be stated; the captain and the student. In soccer game, the captain and the players. I business; the manager and the workers. In the hospital; the chief surgeon and the doctors. Is Holy Spirit not Gabriel, a messenger? We shall get there soon. I was hoping that you would wager your religion, and demanded i did the same.



[Quote]So what Muslims will have us believe; is that verses such as the following:

S15.29. So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

instead should read:

So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of Gabriel, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

In fact Muhammad in this is more honest than his later day followers who claim Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]Do you agree that the My Spirit and Holy Spirit are one and the same? I say this is something you have to debate with yourself. My statement is purely islamic. I say My Spirit is created and it is the spirit that enters man. Holy Spirit is also created, a servant of God, and we will see that soon.



[Quote]17:85 They will question thee concerning the Spirit. Say: 'The Spirit is of the bidding of my Lord. You have been given of knowledge nothing except a little.'[/Quote]We see that the spirit in this verse is not My Spirit or Holy Spirit. Are there spirits or spirit other than My Spirit or Holy Spirit? Yes. For starter, Jinn from which satan is part of this specie is Spirit because we dont see it like we see something physical, eg human body. Humans have human spirit, which is housed by the physical body. We dont see it. I say it is human soul, which we dont see, too. We see that God breathe the spirit as in My Spirit into Adam and there is no soul breathe into him. Did he have a soul, because we his children do have a soul. Neither a soul was breathe into Adam nor to us. But the My Spirit was breathe into Adam and was not breathe into us, except that we share from the one breathe into Adam, hence our soul as we remain alive must be that spirit. but when we are death, the soul is removed from our body as the spirit returning to God.



[Quote]God is merciful, for even in their error-hurled book, He has provided to them a little light, thereby confirming that which Paul said in Athens:

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us [Acts 17:27]

We find this written in the qur'an:
S4:171. O ye people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God and His Word, which He cast into Mary and a spirit from Him; believe then in God and His apostles, and say not 'Three.' Have done! it were better for you. God is only one God, celebrated be His praise that He should beget a Son! His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; and God sufficeth for a guardian.

In this verse, Jesus is called "HIS WORD" and "SPIRIT FROM HIM". [/b]These [b]two sentence makes it clear that Jesus is the very God and there is no doubt in it. This is God manifest as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, after all![/Quote]And there is a University still operating that gave you a degree with this type of thinking. You ignored that Jesus is called son of mary and Messiah and an apostle, and condemnation of Trinity, in addition to the fact that it not a possibility that God should have a son, being all things are owned by This One God. how do you remain in your clothing and act normal? you must have no heart to reflect.



[Quote] 1. God Himself
2. His Word (Jesus)
3. His Spirit (Holy Spirit)[/Quote]How do you connect the My Spirit to mean the Holy Spirit? Whats the Name of the Holy Spirit because i do know that you can't connect My Spirit to mean Holy Spirit, except that you see it as a messenger. I will provide The verses and the conversation to prove that Jibril is a Messenger, Holy Spirit is Messenger and both you will agree to be one and the same since you agree that Gabriel appeared to Mary.



[Quote]If God has a spirit and God has a word in Qur'an then God of Qur'an also is a triune God.[/Quote]this can only come from the mind of a majnun. I will charge it to your head and not to your heart, because you may just turn around to accept what the holy ghost is; a mere creation, a messenger.



[Quote] It turns out that in attacking Christianity, the Qur'an affirms the central dogma of Christians:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. [John 1:1-2][/Quote]Even you disagree with yourself in this shameless suggestion. All jews disagree with you. No muslim agrees with you. I simple proves that you are freak when it comes to lying.



[Quote]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [John 1:14]

At the very core of this Islamic message we find a seed of truth - that will stand as a witness against all Muslims who refuse to believe that Jesus is Lord.

Indeed Jesus is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, the Alpha and Omega, to whom be praise and worship and glory and authority forever and ever. Amen![/Quote]in the Quran, here is the dialogue of Jesus son of Mary as a child miraculously defending his mother so that she was not stone to death, instead of the muslims 100 lashes; From Surah Maryam [Chapter 19]. You may show us how he is God in this chapter, and not a messenger servant that he was. You may show us that his death that is prophesied to be peaceful has happened already. I dont want to know about raising up if you can not provide for us a peaceful death.

19;27 Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have certainly done a thing unprecedented.

19:28 O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

19:29 So she pointed to him. They said, "How can we speak to one who is in the cradle a child?"

19:30 [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.

19:31 And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive

19:32 And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant.

19:33 And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive."



[Quote]19:34 That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.

19:35 It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

19:36 [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."

19:37 Then the factions differed [concerning Jesus] from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved - from the scene of a tremendous Day.

19:38 How [clearly] they will hear and see the Day they come to Us, but the wrongdoers today are in clear error.[/Quote]Jesus from the Quran has gone against you, aletheia. You will not be able to find him supporting you in the bibles, wither.

@Aletheia: « #9 on: August 21, 2011, 12:40 PM »
[Quote]On December 10th, after about 1 month of running up and down, Chakula finally summoned up courage and posted:

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Here is the Verse in Chapter 17 verse 19.

{ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِم حِجَاباً فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَآ رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَراً سَوِيّاً }

Thus she veiled herself from them, she draped herself in a veil to conceal herself while she washed her hair [from lice], or [washed] her clothes, or cleansed herself from her menses; whereupon We sent to her Our Spirit, Gabriel, and he assumed before her, after she donned her clothes, the likeness of a well-proportioned human, perfect in physical form.
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Re: Alethea; This Is For You. So Tell Me The Name Of You Ghost God.
« #10 on: August 21, 2011, 12:41 PM »

. . .thus was Muslim duplicity and dishonesty revealed:

Quote from: chakula on December 10, 2010, 08:15 AM
Here is the Verse in Chapter 17 verse 19.

{ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِم حِجَاباً فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَآ رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَراً سَوِيّاً }

Thus she veiled herself from them, she draped herself in a veil to conceal herself while she washed her hair [from lice], or [washed] her clothes, or cleansed herself from her menses; whereupon We sent to her Our Spirit, Gabriel, and he assumed before her, after she donned her clothes, the likeness of a well-proportioned human, perfect in physical form.

^^^Tsk, tsk, tsk. Muslim dishonesty at it's most sublime. Here is what you did:
#1. You posted the wrong verse: I' m sure you meant S19:17 not 17:19.
#2. You posted in Arabic because most readers will not understand the Arabic you posted. And then added your own interpretation. You added Gabriel yourself even though the Arabic of the qur'an makes no mention whatsoever of Gabriel in S19:17.

Here is the correct translation of Sura 19:17.
And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man (Pickthall).

For those who may not understand Arabic, here is the Arabic transliteration so that they may judge for themselves your dishonesty:

Faittakhathat min doonihim hijaban faarsalna ilayha roohana fatamaththala laha basharan sawiyyan

As we can see only roohana appears in the Arabic; there is no mention of Jibreel.[/Quote]Do you agree that the Roohana is Ruhu Qudus or do you disagree?



[Quote]Enough with the lies please. Did I not say that most of what is Islam today is not found in the qur'an?[/Quote]Ruhu Qudus is a known Quantity in the Quran. So is Jibril. What are saying is thatJibril is not Ruhu Qudus. And Ruhu Qudus has to be God, instead of the lowly servants or messenger that Jibril is. We will hear from the Ruhu Qudus himself soon enough and what he said about himself.

@Aletheia; On December 8th:
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 07, 2010, 05:28 PM
. . .you bear aletheia, a greek word, while Jesus who you call god spoke no greek but only syriac and a child of Israel. . .you aletheia is attached to zeus or apollo; of greek fraternity!
^^You present an excellent example of Islamic confusion and apologetic reasoning. 27 books of the Bible are written in Greek and only portions of Daniel and some verses in Jeremiah are written in Aramaic. aletheia is a Greek word: a language still very much spoken today! You might as well have said I am Greek orthodox because aletheia is Greek: what silly reasoning! But then such reasoning would appeal to you because your liturgical language is Arabic; the same language Muhammad's grandfather used to offer up prayers to the idol Hubal, one of the gods you syncretistically worship today under the name al-ilah. No doubt you are boiling in rage: hence all these illogical statements. Calm down.
 
kai gnōsesthe tēn alētheian kai ē alētheia eleutherōsei umas
and you will know the truth and the truth will make free you

legei autō iēsous egō eimi ē odos kai ē alētheia kai ē zōē
said to him Jesus I am the way and the truth and the life

Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 07, 2010, 05:28 PM
Now to the headache you have; The Name of Malaika Jibril (AS). There are few things you cant deny written about him;
He exists.
He is a Malaika (An Angel)
he is created.
The Quran was brought by him, as piece meal revelations, on a situation by situation basis.
He accompanied Muhammad (AS) in the Isra wa Miraj journey.
He was called by Allah in descriptions by many attributes.
One of the Attributes is RuhuQudud (Holy Spirit).

^^Is what you posted above the qur'anic verses that say that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit? NO.
I do not want a litany of fables. Just post the verses and be done with it.[/Quote]I forgot add a quality for Jibril. He is a Messenger of Allah.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 07, 2010, 05:28 PM
If you think there is no RuhuQudus from the Quran, please states it very clearly and give us your reason[s].
^^Typical of Sweetnecta when you have no countering points: create a diversionary argument. Have I any where stated that the Holy Spirit is not mentioned in the qur'an? On the kola oloye thread: I even posted two verses from your qur'an that mention the Holy Spirit. My point which after all these weeks you are still in quandary over and are unable to refute is this: The qur'an does not and never says any where that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]Did Jibril speak at all in the Quran. Yes. He indicated that he is a servant of God. Did Gabriel speak at all in the bible? Yes. He seems to say the he is an angel and a servant too. One of the occasions in the Bibles was his appearance to Mary, telling her about her son to be born. But the Bible said that Gabriel simply told her about the Holy Ghost coming to get her pregnant. But no where does the Bible tell us when the Ghost appeared or what the Ghost did with Mary, if not actually what Gabriel said will happen [Overshadow, and come upon] or who the Ghost is since the Ghost was not known to the jews either by speech or description. I am saying here that the Christians have made Gabriel into a Ghost as his other face. Then they call this God, because they need to make Jesus God, too.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 07, 2010, 05:28 PM
I have asked you to wager your sham on this matter.
Wager? Do you think this is a joke? Bring your superior arguments and overwhelm me by the force of them. Your challenge is weak. If you have the truth convince me by posting the pertinent qur'anic verses that say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]when you wager, you pledge to part with something very important to you. i dont think thats a joke, unless you are a weird person.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 07, 2010, 05:28 PM
I know Jibril is ruhuQudus
^^And your knowledge is based on what? Certainly not the qur'an! Which only buttresses the point I made earlier: so much of what is Islam is not supported by the qur'an. Indeed left to stand on it's own without the props it collapses under the weight of its illogicalities and inconsistencies. Islam must consequently be dismissed as fraudulent and yet the tragedy is that billions have based their hope on it. But it is a false hope.[/Quote]My knowledge is based on Quran, I will tell the Chapter and the verses and dialogue. You will then see that the Ruhu Qudus is a messenger of Allah. You will have to tell me who are the messengers of Allah. Jesus son of Mary says he is a messenger of Allah in the same Chapter. Thats a hint. Dont start to search because i will give you the dialogue by the time I a through.



[Quote]The basic premise of this thread is that Jesus is not Allah for that is what a Muslim means when he says "god". And of course the Muslim is right in saying Jesus is not Allah for Allah is no true god. He's just one of many several false gods like "Zeus or Apollo of greek fraternity".[/Quote]This is your own statement and you will not be able to provide a proof. But such a statement shall witness against you if you die in your present state. I on the other hand will say to you Jesus son of Mary, from both the Bibles and Quran clearly says he is a servant of the Creator Who sent him. The 12 disciples believed this about him, too.



[Quote]#1. Jesus is not Allah because Allah is a false god--- Allah is Satan masquerading as the Most High One.
#2. Muhammad's Gabriel is not the true Gabriel---he is a satanic impostor as seen by the evidence of his encounters with Muhammad which bear the hallmarks of demonic possession. Cf the biblical descriptions of Gabriel's encounter with men with that of Muhammad and one immediately sees that these are two different beings![/Quote]one of them can only be true, and both of them can not be true. Men who the bibles say are ordinary will definitely not be sure of what they encounter. But the messenger [as] will know because there will be a divine reason for it.



[Quote]And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [2 Corinthians 11:14][/Quote]The way Satan housed itself in Peter.



[Quote]Only Jesus can save!

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [Revelation 1:7-8][/Quote]Physician save thyself.

@Aletheia; « #6 on: August 21, 2011, 12:14 PM »
[Quote]On November 25th:

^^^
Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 10:11 PM
Sura Najm will be my first set up verses. . .
Really? I asked you a straightforward question in post #213,
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What does Holy and Holiness mean to the Muslim?
Several posts later, you still waffling. . .just produce the verses. Simple. Instead you are talking about Sura Najm which does not mention the Holy Spirit, neither Gabriel. Does Sura Najm say that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel? Emphatically no! Repeatedly by your diversionary tactics you show that you cannot answer the question and therefore prove my intial point:
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You are a Muslim who claims to know his qur'an but you couldn't answer the question; al-ilah it would seem has a phobia for holiness; only twice in his qur'an does he deign to use that word for himself (your assignment is to find the two verses) but he in no way educates his followers as to what that holiness and being holy means. Compare the Bible: 231 times in the NT and 458 times in the OT and I have not even included derivatives like holiness in the word count!
The 53rd Sura starts off with your god swearing by the Star. Was he so desperate to convince his listeners that he was genuine? Very funny. . .since we know that those who swear, swear by that which is greater than them. Thus it is shown that the Star is greater than Allah, since al-ilah swears by the Star.
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53.1. By the Star when it setteth,

Now compare this:

For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,(Hebrews 6:13)

Reading further down your Sura brings us to the dark secret of Islam---hints of its Satanic origins: verses 19 - 21 --- the edited version of the Satanic verses.

53:19-21. Have ye thought upon [b]Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other?
Are yours the males and His the females?

Not surprisingly; further down in verse 27; al-ilah seems to hint that these female deities who are his daughters are actually angels of his erroneously named as females.

[b]53:27. Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females.

The 53rd sura does not call Gabriel the Ruuh Qudus. In fact it neither mentions the Holy Spirit or Gabriel. The names mentioned there are the names of Allah's daughters. It does not answer the question!
Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 24, 2010, 10:11 PM
If after you tell me who Massiah is, can you accept tp lose your idolatry of three gods if i show you names of Jibril (AS)
^^
Story, story. This is an example of what seyibrown called pretend ignorance. You and I know who the Messiah is---an Muhammad is not the one. You are just engaging in diversionary tactics: just post the quranic verses that say Ruuh Qudus is Gabriel; that is all you need do. No long grammar.
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Re: Alethea; This Is For You. So Tell Me The Name Of You Ghost God.
« #7 on: August 21, 2011, 12:31 PM »

On November 28th:

^^Crocodile tears! See who's calling aletheia coward and yet not one Muslim has had the courage or ability to disprove this simple statement.

Quote from: aletheia on November 27, 2010, 08:06 AM
There are no qur'anic verses that state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]Did Gabriel speak to anyone by permission of Allah? Yes. He spoke to Muhammad that 'they the spirits 'Angels' do not descent from heaven except by permission of Allah. The Ruhu Qudus spoke too. This what i will save till i lay out the foundation against your lies.



[Quote]Yet you are still huffing and puffing to no effect after many days and round about posts. Simply post the verses once and for all and prove aletheia wrong or else let it be known that Islam lies when it claims Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. And if Islam lies on this point; what other things has it lied about?[/Quote]if Islam is not the liar, then the enemies of Islam and the systems of the enemies are therefore liars. You will have to agree.



[Quote]I have given you guys more than enough time to disprove me but you are all running around in circles, tossing insults and trying to introduce diversions. Observers are therefore left with no other conclusion than that:

Sweetnecta, vedaxcool and co cannot produce a single verse from the qur'an that states that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, Instead they have tried to hide that deficit by lies and insults and diversionary tactics.

Conclusion: [bMuslims lie when they say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/b][/Quote]If the bold is not true, then the conclusion will be that the below bold is not true. That will be the conclusion, even using your own logic, since we are 180 degrees from each other.



[Quote]Jesus is Lord Jesus is Sovereign over Allah who must bow before Jesus who is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings; the Only Potentate, to whom be glory and praise forever and ever. Amen![/Quote]present your proof. but if Holy Spirit, Ruhu Qudus in Islam on the pages of the Quran speaks, he must tell us his status; as God, as Messenger or whatever he is. We have to agree that God is no Messenger. And Messenger is no God.

@Aletheia; « #5 on: August 21, 2011, 12:11 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 23, 2010, 12:59 PM
I will give you no less than 2 verses where Jibril is referred as "Holy Spirit" that brought the Quran to you, Oh Muhammad, since the Quran revelations apart from the last 4 verses of Surah Baqarah were through Jibril (AS).

I will also give you other names Jibril was called, you enemy of Pure and True Faith. Your lies are now exposed.

^^^So where are the verses? Or are you referring to this one?

Walaqad atayna moosa alkitaba waqaffayna min baAAdihi bialrrusuli waatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi afakullama jaakum rasoolun bima la tahwa anfusukumu istakbartum fafareeqan kaththabtum wafareeqan taqtuloona

Or this one:

Tilka alrrusulu faddalna baAAdahum AAala baAAdin minhum man kallama Allahu warafaAAa baAAdahum darajatin waatayna AAeesa ibna maryama albayyinati waayyadnahu biroohi alqudusi walaw shaa Allahu ma iqtatala allatheena min baAAdihim min baAAdi ma jaat-humu albayyinatu walakini ikhtalafoo faminhum man amana waminhum man kafara walaw shaa Allahu ma iqtataloo walakinna Allaha yafAAalu ma yureedu[/Quote]these are words of Allah talking Ruhu Qudus. We in due time get to what where Allah say the Ruhu Qudus was sent to people, Muhammad, Mary are two persons you will say in Quran Ruhu Qudus was sent to. Allah also said He support Isa bin Maryam with Ruu Qudus.
There must be a place and an occasion that Ruhu Qudus spoke.
From Quran when Allah says humans were going to be created, the word 'ins' wa not used, but 'kalifah fil ardhi' was used in Surah Baqarah.
No one other than angels spoke. We have to then assume no one was there, other than the angels who expressed concerns.



[Quote]Is there any mention of Gabriel? [/Quote]No. But what Ruhu Qudus is the dispute between us. Even the Bible did not give a proper identification, as in proper for the Holy Spirit, which is Ruhu Qudus in arabic. Your statement is that Ruhu Qudus and Biblical Holy Spirit are one and the same, and you say it is a third in Trinity, and you are also suggesting that Islam therefore has Trinity, unless I can prove otherwise.



[Quote]Still waiting for the answer of what holiness means to Muslims.[/Quote]Holy is Qudus, part of the Names of Allah. Muslim bears it in the Abd qualification as in AbdQudus. Muhammad was call Raufu Rahim, in the second to the last verse of Surah Tauba. Allah is Al Rauf. Al Rahim. Muslims of higher grades are called Muminu, a Mumin. Allah is Al Mumin. There a companion called Ali. Allah is Al Ali. Holy as Alla's Name is different from Holiness or Holy with believers.

@Aletheia; « #4 on: August 21, 2011, 12:07 PM »

[Quote]Before then on November 22nd:

Quote from: Sweetnecta on November 22, 2010, 12:19 PM
@Aletheia: « #218 on: Today at 10:59:20 AM »If I give you One or more, what will you do with your Christian faith; if you will abandon it and become Muslim, its worth my effort? If not, I will not labor for your sake. You have to declare it, right now.

I gave you a straightforward assignment:
Quote from: aletheia on November 22, 2010, 10:59 AM
^^^Go and compile all the verses in the Qur'an that talk about the Holy Spirit; then come back and tell me which of them says the Holy Spirit is Gabriel.---I 'm sure you know you won't find any. So Muslims lie when they say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.

I guess you are still searching and are unable to find any: hence the excuse you are now proffering. My being a Christian has not stopped you from posting qur'anic verses in the past. Why now? Because there exists no qur'anic verses that say Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]we are al least agreed that Gabriel is both an Angel and message carrier of God.

i am saying that he is Ruhu Qudus, a messenger, an Angel.

You are saying Ruhu Qudus is not a messenger and not an Angel

We both agree to use the Quran.

@Aletheia; I have good news for you. so follow the road of laid down as you read the posts.
[Quote] Re: Alethea; This Is For You. So Tell Me The Name Of You Ghost God.
« #2 on: August 21, 2011, 11:57 AM »

@nopuqeater:

I am somewhat flattered that you opened a whole thread just because of me. And so after a year or so of evasive action and avoiding the vexed issue (for Muslims) of the Holy Spirit, you now decide to try and respond. All I need to say on this issue I have already said on the previous threads so I will reproduce the pertinent posts as time permits.

(Exod 3:13 [KJV])
And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

(Exod 3:14-15 [KJV])
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

The Name is certainly not allah.
[/Quote]the bold you bibles say God Almighty Who is instruction Moses said His name is. Yes? so how did Jews arrive at Yahweh and other Names? how did Jesus on the stake arrived at Eloi? And how do you as a christian arrive at Jevovah? You that each of you abandoned I AM? if you abandoned the Name of God and choose sometime else for Him, how can anyone trust that what comes out your mouth and what lies in your is not the same form of corruption?

I am wondering if according to 'the flesh' that Paul used to connect ancient time David to Jesus of yesterday is not found the below, and you can use the same, a variant or not to connect more ancient time Aaron to the mother of Jesus?

3. Humanity, mankind - Lk. 3:6; Acts 2:17; Rom. 3:20; Gal. 2:1
4. Physical heritage, descendancy - Jn. 3:6; Rom. 4:1; 9:3,8; Gal. 3:7
5. Temptability - Rom. 8:3
a. sensory
b. desires
6. Marital union - Matt. 19:5; Eph. 5:29,30; Col. 2:1

www.christinyou.net/pages/flesh.html - Cached


when i met my uncles, no one had to introduce to them. they knew that i am the son of their older sister, since they saw their face when they looked at me. is there a need to explain that orange is a fruit versus the fact thats its structure and the part eaten is different from say, vegetable.

Quran is understood by those who God has given hikma to, expanding their breast in guidance. a man read the beginning of Surah Baarah saying 'that is the book, in it . . there is no doubt'. he asked if the 'that book' was Quran, yet in front of him was Quran, a book that he had read the very verse from. then there was a grown man who was telling us his journey to Islam at age 12. on the way home from school, his foot kick something left abandoned, and from it came an old Quran. curious. he opened it and read the same verse from baqarah. he knew he had to read this book completely. he never returned to disbelief.

if a white man call this black man his brother, i will immediately analyze my relation or connection with him. the first is that we are both from Adam. if i stop there, he will be correct.

@Aletheia; [Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:56:02 PM
A little boy in field needed his heart to be washed, when Jesus said to be in Paradise your heart have to be pure like that of a child?
^@Sweetnecta: You hardly make sense and it is tedium filtering what you write for sense. You are like a spambot stringing together words. So Mohammed the false prophet[/Quote]a false prophet will say something unfulfilled. please tell me one thing Muhammad said and it was fulfilled in its time? Jesus on the other hand said he will return before the last of the 12 disciples died. Tic. Tac. Its about 2000 years already and Peter the rock has been dead for close to that 200 years. now who is the false prophet?



[Quote] needed his heart washed as a child? Why was that, I wonder?[/Quote]All children are blessed, except that they are not in christianity, categorizing many as witches. Young Muhammad [as] was blessed because Allah took care of him, Personally, and sent Angels to open his chest in the presence of his foster mother's, was the same age as he. Washing his heart and stuffing it with pure iman. Interesting thing is that theyoung man got up and felt no pain or discomfort. this was a prophet of prophets from his youth, even before his birth. You need to read his Sirah. This is different from little boy circumcision. i think Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day, no?



[Quote] Which means his heart was impure ergo he was sinful. Here is a hint as to the symbolism of washing:[/Quote]And the bible says everyone born of a woman is a sinner. who was Jesus mother but Lady Mary? i know my statement flies over your head because there are 3 gods trampling on you.



[Quote]Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all[/Quote]and then Peter was possessed by Satan so much so that Jesus had to call him satan. what is interesting is the bible always start from the most absurd point, like 'he answered, or something similar, without starting from question asked'.



[Quote]And is it true that Mohammed's stories about being washed was only restricted to his childhood? Does what is clean require washing repeatedly?[/Quote]I am clean, but I wash regularly. You dont wash regularly?



[Quote]Here is the evidence and verdict of history:
ISirat Rassul'llah by Ibn Ishaq-  
There is a tradition that when Muhammad was a little child (two to three  years old), Halima his foster mother, was informed by Muhammad that ,

"Two men in white raiments came to him with a gold basin full of snow, who opened up his belly, extracted his heart and split it; then they extracted a leech/clot (Alaqa) from it and threw it away; then they washed his heart and belly with that snow until they had thoroughly cleaned them"

Comment: It is beyond belief to assume that a child of that age was alone tending flocks of animals, and who knew about snow in the unforgiving heat of the Arabian desert, as well as about gold or leeches that do not exist in waterless Arabia. What the story actually relates is that the surgery removed Muhammad's SINS at the age of 2/3.[/Quote]to the second bold, if you have used your mind, you would have known that this was a miraculous event. newly created Adam was able to name things that angles could not because made it so.



[Quote]Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429      
Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief.

Comment: Once more at the age of about 50 years, Muhammad needed another PHYSICAL/ SPIRITUAL  and INTELLECTUAL CLEANSING to remove his SINS and UNBELIEF.[/Quote]And then he was transported from Makka to Jerusalem to lead even Gabriel, and Jesus your small god [son is always small compared to father], Abraham, Moses, etc, including Adam [as [all of them about 240,000] in prayers known as salatul Al al ibrahima. This is symbolic because he has taken the mantle from all of them and the children of israel have been stripped naked and lost their honor. Allah didn't stop there. Muhammad [as] was invited to heaven where te last 4 verses of Surah baqarah was given along with the command and instruction of Salah. This is the night of Isra wa Miraj. While you are still waiting for Jesus to return to pick you up in rapture, those who waited before you for the same event are dead and you will wait in vain, just like them.

Muhammad [as] in a single night had done what Jesus did that you made him a god for; ascending to heavens. Muhammad [as] then top this by returning to earth. If this is not the greatest even in human history; going to and returning from heaven by God's Permission.



[Quote]Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.227      
Narrated byAbbas bin Malik
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said,"He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place"

Comment: The traditions that Muhammad needed two or three surgeries to have his body operated upon and filled with belief, is astounding in its implications. Why would the most 'perfect' of men need to have himself 'scourged' from unbelief several times in his lifetime is beyond understanding. On the contrary, this shows that Muhammad was SINFUL and repeatedly failing in BELIEF.[/Quote]Perfect man has room to improve; the prophets need their leader to be better than them. I was like an angel, the reason Jibril called him brother. Allah is the One Who determined the level that Muhammad [as] must be. What Allah overlooked for others, Muhammad might have been called on; like the Surah Abasa incident. and finally washing him is level of purity. The lesson in it is partially of humility to Allah instead of your self pride thinking immersing yourself in some blood will save you. the one with blood could not save himself and imagine him saving somebody else.

In Surah Azhab, Allah says of Muhammad [as] that he is blessed by His 'taslim', and the Angel's taslim on Muhammad [as] is a prayer, while those of believers on Muhammad [as] are blessing and mercy on the believers.

The purity of the heart of Muhammad [as] made him strong even when death approached him. unlike the other guy who blamed God for forsaken him.



[Quote]In conclusion, the Hadiths above, completely and utterly DESTROY, DEMOLISH and CONTRADICT, all of Muhammad's followers assertions that he was SINLESS, in their DOGMA of 'ISMA'[/Quote]If I am sinless of riba, it means i have been forgiven of any sin of riba before and i am returning to it, today. And i hope you remember that you have read that the sins of Muhammad [as] of the future was already forgiven, if he were to commit it when he gets to the future. Yet when the future arrived, he didn't commit any sin. from the pages of the bibles we see Jesus committing sins left right and center. it is Muhammad [as] who came to clear him of your accusations; being the another comforter and the that prophet.



[Quote]As it is written:  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.[/Quote]i still you provide the name of your ghost god. i know you will dance away from it, acting as you are a masquerade from your village. finally, hadith is similar to your bibles; there is truth, there is maybe and then there is liar.

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I usually don't like to post in the 'Religious' section but I just feel I should vent, I cannot keep it in.
Yesterday,I lost a friend and former colleague in Kano,and it was very avoidable!
From what I was told,she was on achaba(okada) and they had a mild accident along Kurna,and she fell off from the okada and hit her head on the floor,then became unconscious. Now,the okadaman was unharmed,and there were other passersby,who rather than shift her to a safe side of the road,declined,reason being,they were fasting and so it was a taboo to soil their hands touching a woman,so they left her there,until an oncoming trailer on full speed crushed her to death.
When the okadaman and a few passersby whom the police could catch were questioned on why they didn't move her to a safe side of the road,they said that according to their religion,it was a sin/taboo for a muslim during ramadan to touch a female.
My muslim brothers, if this is really true about your religion,which I strongly doubt,then it's very disappointing. That some people in the name of religion would watch a fellow human being helpless,in the face of imminent danger and would rather that he/she die than help because 1.she's unclean 2.she's an infideluld watch a fellow human being helpless,in the face of imminent danger and would rather that he/she die than help because 1.she's unclean 2.she's an infidel[/Quote]there is nothing unclean about human soul. the death of this woman, though from the face of it seems avoidable, but in reality it was time her so the event was surrounded by people who are ignorant of their duties to fellow human being, instead of Muslim doctors. Allah has created us all, the believers and the non believers. Allah stresses the preservation of lives more than taking it. Ramadhan should be the time the believers are most eager to help, discharge justice. unfortunately, if those people truly have knowledge of their religion, the spirit of Islam would have been seen. Nigerian traffic, the speeding and transporting, both need to be overhauled.

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GOD BLESS YOU AS YOU DO[/Quote]if i were not a muslim, i would have volunteered to be treasurer, looking after the monies. but then, it will earn me hell fire and Alhamdulillah that Allah guided me before i got to my mother's womb, into Islam. what has been dealing with you is shaytan and it is because of your desire. Allah knows the hearts and He leaves those who want to follow shaytan to shaytan. how else do we explain a person adopting a human being as God, a ghost as God and God as partners to these two, then say God is his father when his father is the man in nigeria who overshadowed and came upon his mother [read what the bibles say happened to Mary. i did not make this up].

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i dont know how to respond to this because its too long.

[b]but then Jesus called a person a fool and had warned such a statement deserves remaining in hell.[/b]

where is Jesus?

Who ends up in hell except very sinful person?
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^^^

Is Jesus not ISA in the Quran ?

And yet your scriptures say ISA was sinless and Muhammad was a sinner Huh

Is it me, or am I missing something here Undecided
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I might sound harsh but the truth is I LOVE all Muslims !!![/Quote]is Isa [as] a prophet of Islam in the bibles? no. The Isa in the Quran is protected by Allah his Lord, just the same way every prophets before him, and one [as] after him was protected. Isa of Quran announced the coming of the Messenger of Allah whose name is Ahmad [as]. the Isa of Quran is an obedient slave of his Creator. Muhammad [as] is the human spiritual leader of Isa [as], among mankind.




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« #4 on: August 23, 2011, 03:36 PM »

^^^ Amazing! Where is it written in the Koran jare. Have been having difficulties preaching the gospel to Muslims.[quote][/Quote]sisi, start the preaching of the gospel with me, jare. i volunteered as your first test subject. its a shame i am not in 9ja. but you can start with emails to galadimalou@aol.com.




[Quote] I really need to do a study on islamic belief system to know what even their Koran said about Jesus.[/Quote]this is another good start. you can kill many birds with one single stone throw.

[Quote]« on: August 23, 2011, 03:21 PM »

The Quran claims that Muhammad is God's seal of prophethood, and therefore the last and final messenger to mankind:
"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things." S. 33:40

Muslims further reason that since the Lord Jesus clearly stated that false prophets would come to deceive many, this strongly argues that there would be another true prophet to come after Christ. Had there been no more prophets after Christ, there would have been no need for Jesus to give a criterion to distinguish false prophets. Christ could have simply stated that there would be no more prophets at all. (Cf. Matthew 7:15-20; 24:23-26)

The problem with such reasoning is that it completely ignores the entire context of the Holy Bible. For instance, the Lord Jesus states that God has given his personal seal of approval, backing up all of Christ's words and deeds:[/Quote]after the bold, should come another comforter, and or that prophet.

Most people look at here after the way they look at life now. they forget that they in their mother's wombs had no idea what this world is until they get here.

the child in the mother's womb will hear worldly sounds and even know when dad is working on mom to not move around he used to normally do if that is not there.

to answer your question, emofine, when we die, all the things that makes us the personality that we were on earth wiill be done with. all the greed, the jealousy, etc. will die off. All that will remain will be your belief, and your deeds; both good and evil.

Many women on this earth don't mind sharing. You know that and I know that. Many of them are from the western countries; both whites and blacks and others don't mind sisterhood of the same husband.

Now in Paradise, the wife on earth will be better and elevated than the hourins for their obedience to Allah on earth. All jealousy of I am the only spouse to a husband will be gone. Imagine if the idea of more wives to a single husband is what is predominant on this earth. Just imagine that for a moment. A man who chooses to marry just one wife will be somewhat be looked at as the way you look at more than 1 wife on earth right now.

Listen, you can reach me on galadimalou@aol.com

@aletheia: « #21 on: Today at 11:06:21 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 07:20:28 PM
they were not only sinners.they were immoral of the highest magnitude.and your god approved of them and called them "righteous" and "annoited" and "beloved".
^
Indeed! And that is something you Muslims do not understand unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. As it is written: (Ps 32:1-2 [KJV]) Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. [/b]Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in [b]whose spirit there is no guile.[/Quote]So at long last human [he] has a spirit, and spirit is not only holy spirit? You are a class act all by yourself. You will notice that there was the holy spirit; a thing you have failed to provide a proper name for. then there is the man [he] whose sin is covered and not that he is sinless, who transgression is forgiven, not that he is transgression-less. Is this man Jesus or someone? Maybe you now know that Jesus was no more than apostle, has Allah eloquently said? if the he is Jesus there was your answer that only God can forgive. if another man, God has elevated one or more to the position of being sinless.



[Quote]The Bible tells it as it is: warts and all that you may see that all men without exception (including the true and false prophets) are sinners. Even your Mohammed had an intimation of that for in your Islamic tales we find that he needed his heart washed by water from a well. Why did Mohammed ibn Abdullah need to have his heart washed by water from zam zam well?[/Quote]Needed? A little boy in field needed his heart to be washed, when Jesus said to be in Paradise your heart have to be pure like that of a child? Need his heart washed you said, oh man with heart harder than hard? Your lie for Jesus and Paul is shameful. You are more arrogant than Tyrannical Pharaoh. And those who have worn the garment of arrogance, eg Ariel Sharon are now example for us to see.



[Quote]The Bible also tells you that only through Jesus Christ of Nazareth are the sins of men requited, atoned for and forgiven. As it is written: (Acts 4:12 [KJV]) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved[/Quote]The bible lied to you. I will not blame you with all the many writers , the broth came out spoiled. There were men before Jesus. Many of the men died and some were elects of God. Jesus played zero influence in their lives and their closeness to God, after all He elected them. He will not need Jesus to wipe off their sins and make them people bound for His Paradise.



[Quote]And God gave proof of this by raising him from the dead. . .[/Quote]Finally, Jesus didn't raise himself up. Some day you will admit Jesus was created. We see after your alleged "raising up", Jesus didn't walked in the open, but in the shadows. Why is that after he has been raised up? You only die once, no? Or Jesus was concerning more than his own share of the single death? You are a joke. I can really rain it on you.



[Quote]Quote from: Wikipedia
Next to Muhammad's tomb, there is another empty tomb that Muslims believe awaits Jesus.
^Where is the body of Jesus? Muhammad's lies "moldering" in the grave. But we see Jesus exalted and alive.[/Quote]You dont see Jesus exalted and alive. You read the story in your Bible, written by non eyewitness newsmen. I am wondering who will say there is a grave [dug up pit to put a body of the dead. this is different from tomb; possibly a cave, etc in addition to grave] in Madina waiting for Isa ibn Maryam [as]? thats a lie. A body that is not moldering today will molder tomorrow. Soon, Isa bin Maryam [as] will return to die. After all are dead, Allah will recreate all anew for Judgment. It is then, right from your point of death that Jesus was not a christian, but a muslim prophet like all earlier prophets, and he was sent to the children of israil to return to prostration and then bowing, which finally became bowing and then prostration.




[Quote]Quote
(Rev 1:13-18 [KJV])
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword:[/Quote]this is a sickness described. May God Almighty Who sent Jesus son of Mary who your lying master Paul the killer from the start had made into a monster so that in your delusion is worshiping it help you from the abject poor condition your mind captured in. Amin. i want you a free man aletheia, away from this very certain madness.



[Quote] and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/Quote]what a mind. no wonder Jehovah is supposed to have 7 spirits to the world. Maybe these are the 7 holy ghosts the reason you can not pinpoint one with a definite proper name as you will quickly give me the name of the jewish messiah as Jesus. funny aletheia. anyway, i don;t blame you; its summer time and people like you are reckless having unusual energy to burn. your standing for this type of concoction tells me that you will actually fall for anything.

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When will our muslim friends answer some of the questions posted here without resulting in abusive language.
Please be courteous, if you don't have the answer, say so, instead of going round in circles.

You have mentioned several times that the bible is corrupt, yet it seems you love to quote from the bible.
Please let's have a proper dialogue for goodness sake.
Thanks.[/Quote]Obasanjo is corrupt. After all some said he slept with his son's woman. Thats corruption.
Yet he is still a man, an abeokuta man, a former military leader, a former political prisoner, a former democratically elected president, yet he is still alive.

the bible is similar; The bible is corrupt, not only because it is not revealed to any prophet, but what it contains of revelations were already tampered with so much so that the truth is not clear, except out source [the Quran] supports it. We see Prophet Jeremiah admonishing his leaders and his people in general that the pen of the scribed has corrupted the Bible. It is Allah Whose Power has kept this verse from Jeremiah in the bible, an obvious proof against the bible itself. We see OT and NT disagreeing with each other about God. One man, aletheia argued that God's Name was I AM to Moses. The same Aletheia will write Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi, Elohim, Al Shada, etc, but not I AM to mean God. Jesus did not say I AMon the cross, but Eloi, or Eli or Ellah, if you believed he was hung.

You said Jesus is God, while Jesus said his own God is in heaven and he prayed to Him many times, even saying 'forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sinned against us. Lead not into temptation. And deliver us from evil' . . . But Jesus was tempted and was not delivered from evil, even so much so that Peter became evil himself and Judas betrayed him.

If you are a nigerian, are you not my nigerian brother? Yet you are welcome to marry my sister if you are loaded. How so, when you are my brother and by that my sister will be your sister, a woman that will be legal for you ro be your wife?