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[Quote]« #2 on: September 08, 2011, 08:49 AM »

Quote from: Lucario007 on September 07, 2011, 08:22 PM
he says that there is no where in the bible that is against it.

Psalm 101:3a - 'I will refuse to look at anything vile and vulgar.' (NLT)
[/Quote]After all is said and done, people resorted to Psalm of David [a man accused by the Bible for being a philanderer, even a husband killer]
to seek protection, instead of Gospel of the human god. So Jesus didn't encompass everything. He didn't have all the answers.

As i see it, if David had came after Jesus, based on the liberal usage of his Psalm, he would have partially qualified to be the another comforter,
if we look at the things Jesus said are the functions of this eminent personality. I think Paul qualifies, except that he disqualified himself with his own statements of opinion, not from God statements.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^lol.

America is waxing stronger.
America is the heartbeat of Christianity.
If America christian sneezes, the whole christian world better say "God bless you". The cold that will come after it will kill christendom.

If america withdraws her support for christendom, she is dead in a couple of years. Forget decades, because that will be with life support.

American white girls will not show their cleavages to cajole the ignorant africans to christianity, thinking he may just get some before its all over.

Many men think with their little brains.


To show you how awful the condition is, can any christian answer the following questions:


1} We know the name of god the son as Jesus, god the father as I AM or take a pick out of many, whats the name of god the holy ghost?


2} We know that John the son of Zacharias said he was not Elijah, not Messiah and not That Prophet. But Jesus said John the son of Zacharias was
Elijah and Jesus was the Messiah.

a] Who is correct and who is wrong about John son of Zacharias?

b] Who was the That Prophet, since neither John son of Zacharias nor Jesus son of Mary was?


3} The another comforter that must come after Jesus left this earth, considering the role ascribes to him by Jesus [please read your Bible before
you answer], has he came and can anyone give example of each of what he did to fulfill those roles

i as corrector; how did be correct and what did he correct?

ii as leading to all truth; what truth did he lead to that Jesus didn't lead to?

iii as teacher; what did he teach that Jesus didn't teach?

iv as praising Jesus; how did he praise Jesus that was not known before he arrived?

v as reminder of what Jesus did; how did he do that, that brought the reminding to reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CNF8AWiytM&feature=related

As i watched the video, i see that Trinity is slaughtered.

i see that paul is made to a liar. and those who follow him, also.

is there any respite for christians, except until death?

[Quote]« #308 on: Yesterday at 04:31:27 PM »

To call this "Classic" would be an understatement - this was when I totally fell in love with Jo[/Quote]nuclearboy. nuclearboy. nuclearboy. etie melo. how many times did i call you but 3? you need to go get married. to a woman. unless you are yinka rose type, as they say in the days, joagbaje is a man. with the swagger in yoruba women, indeed nigerian women, in greater degree african women, there is no reason to be on the down low. there is nothing pretty about being switch hitter. it is abomination. people of lot were wiped off because of it.

mom and dad are expecting you to sire for them your begotten sons as their grandchildren. stop being a boy. become a man. enough said.

i know you lack moral fortitude. if i were you, i will post the document to shame me.

if i cant then i will be ashamed for lying like a rug, Paul the killer on another man.

but it is Muhammad's quality that will make me be hands off what belong to another man.

[Quote]« #15 on: Today at 02:51:49 PM »

^Muslims hate Christianity with some soft spot for Catholics because of Mary.[/Quote]and he hates catholics with harshness against Mary. You qualify for grace with Jesus. i hope the person who may hate your mother is your favorite person in whole world! i see that you align with the jews who called Mary a LovePeddler and Jesus a bastard by it. see your life, aletheia. Jesus, if he is true to his word will say 'i never knew thee' to you.


[QuoteCatholics hate Protestant Christianity.[quote][/Quote]you mean catholic christianity whose boo you copied less 7? see how original protestants are. You plagiarize their book and you have the mouth to accuse them of idolatry. are you not worse than an idolator? nonsense. orishi rishi.


[Quote]Both sects want Jerusalem. Both sects do so love "pilgrimages". Both sects have killed or will kill "in the name of God."[/Quote]Sects? Which religion is Islam sect of of, you who always keep your brain in your behind? The catholic President Bush waged a crusade. The protestnts, as usual protested against it. Its sarcasm. I am laughing in idoma.

some screws are loose in the head. my position as a muslim is clear.

it is what is true that i stand on.

[Quote]« #17 on: September 07, 2011, 10:40 PM »

Tell me brother, do you believe in eternal virginhood, because if you do, you need your head examined, Shocked Shocked Shocked Grin Grin Grin Grin
[/Quote]This belief, assuming for the sake of argument that it is wrong will not take one to Hell. But the belief in Trinity will.

Warnng: liar for Killer Paul the liar is on the rampage.

He is rabid and the MI6 people need to get this ticking time bomb of an ignorant.

And God protect the woman who sleeps with him. Poor woman she is laden with having to look at him day in day out.

And he is a father. Imagine the hardship of the little ones to have him as the head of the household?

I think he doesn't have tribal marks. If he did the little ones will nickname him "Tiger".

That may shame him to leave england. I doubt if he has any shame. He lacks originality in his post.

responding out of whim is not a good thing. It shows ignorance.

wish they could amputate the hands of those big officials who say they are muslims. but their hands in public funds entrusted to them belie their true identity.

While I think mercy is more than justify, if justice is to be practiced, it should start from the big bosses who say they are muslims.


Allah expresses Mercy more often than Justice.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ he plays in the sand box, just like his children.




Have a brain and dialogue with some sense. the woman who lives with you must have the skin of an elephant.

she has another son that she shares bed with. i empathize with her.

Obinrin ku iroju.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is similar to how Jesus became God.




or how Holy Spirit became God.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Catholics are your father in Christianity. You and them are sons of Paul, the killer and liar.


I am waiting for you to provide a name of Holy Spirit. Mine is a messenger of Allah. Read Surah Maryam where he was telling her that he is a messenger of God.


I know you will never provide an identifiable name, if your life and or salvation depend on it.

Your religion is incomplete, then riddled with corruption, son of Paul.

@Aletheia: Hey greek man, instead of Hebrew man. Here is your father, Paul; What About The Bible?

What about the Bible now? Firstly, before we lay the allegation, it is necessary to know attributes of satan according to the Bible.

John 8:44: ''You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

So, we see here that satan is associated with murdering, not holding to truth and lying. If one commits these actions, it doesn't necessarily mean they are influenced by satan, because they could have done it unintentionally. Although Paul did purposefully murder (Acts 22:4, Acts 26:10) and spoke lies (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) in his native tongue (Acts 21:40 & see here), we will focus on some verses in the Bible which in fact fits an particular attribute of satan.

1 Corinthians 7:12: "To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her."

1 Corinthians 7:25: "Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy."

2 Corinthians 11:17: "In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool."

People's New Testament Commentary - 1 Corinthians 7:25: "I have no commandment. He had no revelation upon the subject, but could give his Christian judgment."

]At best the languages of Moses will be what Pharaoh spoke in his palace. it was the palace of pharaoh that Moses was raised, as a prince. Maybe he spoke whatever the children of Israel spoke, in some way. After all he lived in Egypt, and that was his country of birth. Then he escaped to Median. He was never a Greek and never lived there and was not under the greek authority. In fact, the language of Egypt is more primary on the tongue of the children of Israel up to the time they acquired another tongue probably when they settled down to Palestine.


Greek should be one of the none languages that the OT could ever be written in. The dominance of Greek will be similar to Dayokanu writing the story of Chief Akintola in Yoruba language and somebody burnt it after he had read it, and turn around to write it in his Mandingo Gambia language. Then return it to Yoruba land as the official story of the late icon. I am sure if the whole of Yoruba people do not reject it as fraud, the Ogbomosho people will. Definitely Dayokanu will. This is the condition of the Bible. And we all know who is the liar.

if you read the Quran long enough, the arabic word will begin to be etched on your heart and the meaning is less strange to you. i know because thats whats happening to me.Further, there is no 'original' bible manuscript. your thinking is that of a man guessing. i will quote Paul in a minute so that you will know that you are standing on quick sand. you are bound to drown in the sand. As old as arabic language is, a young language cant handle its complexity of 2 different plurals, for instance, etc. The uniqueness of Quran is in its original language of revelation. But that Allah guaranteed it to remain uncorrupted.

Allah allowed man to tamper with what He allows them to tamper with. Hence we see man creation, their own Torah, Psalm and injil which they call the Bible. The Bible is itself a testimony to the evil of the hands of men; jews and Christians. They made up a name, and a book. They changed words from their places and created meanings. Jeremiah's statement is a clear warning. And the lies of Paul will demonstrate this, below.

The Quran revived the original Oneness of God as Adam knew it, all the way to the prostrating Jesus [as]. The Shariah of Quran supersede the unstable mind set of the Christians and their father, the jews, who instead of prostrating after bowing are clapping hands and talking to the wall, respectively. Can anyone show me Jesus clapping hands, instead of prostrating his face? Can anyone show me Moses talking to the wall, instead of fasting, taking off his shoes, or Abraham not prostrating his face? Quran abrogated and has rendered the bible null and void.

A thing corrupted does not mean it is not without some elements of truth. It is just that it is 100% true. Many men are corrupt. Some are even fathers. In reality they are bad fathers, and immoral. But nonetheless, somebody calls him dad. We have a bunch of them in england. I have asked the christians to give me the name of their holy spirit as they will readily give me the name of Jesus. No one can produce it. I am sure there is no trinity, hence no holy spirit like that and therefore no name can be provided.

They are confounded by Satan, thinking there are holy spirit and son of God. I have news for you; you will die as an ignorant man, unless you mend your ways of confusion. Some men are so confused that they shave their faces smooth to look like women. Some where ear rings. I wonder when will they put on skirts, oh you people of Sodom? Decide what you are; male or female because you cant be both. anyway, winter is coming. in your condition, when you bundle up, no one will know if you are a man or woman.

And it is the muslim who looks like Jesus, based on how Muhammad [as] described him [as]. Below is the honest lies of Paul:

What About The Bible?

[b]What about the Bible now? Firstly, before we lay the allegation, it is necessary to know attributes of satan according to the Bible.

John 8:44: "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

So, we see here that satan is associated with murdering, not holding to truth and lying. If one commits these actions, it doesn't necessarily mean they are influenced by satan, because they could have done it unintentionally. Although Paul did purposefully murder (Acts 22:4, Acts 26:10) and spoke lies (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) in his native tongue (Acts 21:40 & see here), we will focus on some verses in the Bible which in fact fits an particular attribute of satan.

1 Corinthians 7:12: "To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her."

1 Corinthians 7:25: "Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy."

2 Corinthians 11:17: "In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool."

People's New Testament Commentary - 1 Corinthians 7:25: "I have no commandment. He had no revelation upon the subject, but could give his Christian judgment."[/b]

no story in my family about my ancestors being forcefully converted.

who converted the malaysian, indonesians, indians?

if islam was truly by force which christian or jew would have remained in the middle east?

which hindu would have remained in india?

which christian would have remained in spain, etc?

which pagan [see even you is a testimony] would have remained in northern nigeria?


vandalizing people's property when you are not even the dominant party, is actually calling disaster on yourself.

the muslims have acted well. after all, they didn't go boko haram on you.

@Italo; you have to translate to say mongolian language for 5solas to get it.even the whole of christianity.

this is because it is the tradition of christians, at least if not the jews, too to have no original language of a book,

but to have the book from  a language different from what the revelations came in, the tongue of the receiver.

and or have corruption enters into it, as Jeremiah rightly pointed to the jews of torah.

neither old nor new testament the Reveal[er] promised safe vouching till end of time.

You have to come to the Quran for that; hence it is easy to memorize, even on the tongue of a child.


You people have made religion and worship of God very complicated and exclusive club or few, in knowledge and substance.

if the Jews did not make it a tribal thing, the Christians made it a man's blood must be spilled to appease God that just canceled killing animals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jK07mnSrgg&NR=1



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbkuBq0Mcw4&feature=related



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu3eCkOyLYI

pagan9ja; did you read me talking about eliminating buildings, or idols, except that;

i address your defecating on the wall of mosque?


or was your intention was to destroy the mosque by your paganic defecation?


the land of Muhammad [as] is not to have idols. period.

good ridden to bad things.

I am a muslim. So my view of the above video is from Islam. In Islam, we believe the earlier revelations. But we hold the view that each have been compromised, meaning corrupted and therefore not completely authentic. The Rabbi in his ignorance forgot that Jeremiah stated that the Rabbis/Scribes already by their pens corrupted the Torah, if what the jews stands on. For my evidence, the religion of Moses was not judaism, because his religion was not different from the religion of Joseph, of their father Israel [Jacob], his father Isaac, his father Abraham, then Noah, Enoch, and indeed Adam. For judaism to stand as a divine religion, Adam through Moses had to be proven to have this religion. But that will be impossible, since the worship of jews involves their rituals, and we know these were developed after exodus at the latest.


Further, there is no actual proof that God Almighty will not have other prophets and it will always be inclusive of the jews. Muhammad [as] was from the only son, if only for a time, of Abraham. The only son who was the son of the sign of the covenant, Ishmael. The jews got their prophesy wrong on Ishmael because he was not the wild ass as their book predicted. If i stop here, I have proven my point.
But i need to add two points here;


The lineage of Abraham were two; bigger branch Ishmael and smaller branch Isaac.We can see this by the number of offspring and the largeness of both religions. Muhammad was the last messenger, and final prophet and his official role included making the religion of Adam, through Abraham all the way to Muhammad, a universal religion. Submitting to God, fully and doing good and avoiding evil for His sake.


We know that Madina used to be called "Yathrib" and many have stated tat it was a city formed by jews. One should asked why it was formed, except that the jews knew that "that prophet" [check your new testaments, christians] was going to be raised in that city? The jews knew that Moses already predicted a process was going to come that will be like him from his/their brethren. The arabs are the only brethren the jews have, going back to their common father, Abraham.

I personally resent the 'gangster' characterization of the rabbi. It shows his venous hatred for truth. I want him to tell us who the prophet like Moses will be, f he is sincere.


Finally, in all the 10 years that Muhammad [as] lived in Madina, there were jewish scholars who converted to Islam [Sayiddina Abdullah AbdulSalaam was an example]. No jew said that he was not a prophet, because when they asked him about "Soul of man", they remarked that "we see that he was receiving revelation about it", before he told us what he was told. THe rabbi himself forgot that the first killing field based on religion was from the jewish leadership when they were still known as children of Israel.

this is very interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDbOCKdSIR8&feature=related

this is between a jew and christian.

And you don't have to worship anything you love in order to protect it from the hands of those who wish to damage it because they do not see it as you do.

Why didn't you rush to the boundary of the altar of your god and defecate on there, even on the god?

There are some expected moral behavior that people expect. At least in Islam. You will not find a muslim defecating on the wall of a church, a synagogue or even your shrine.

Even though these places are not secret to him, they are to others, his neighbors. It is these neighbors that he respects that they should not suffer the humiliation in a blatant way that their houses of worship are meaningless to him and so if the smell the unpleasant odor of what he defecated its their problems.

Your behavior is the same as that of the ignorant bedouin of the time of the prophet [as]. The bedouin defecated inside the mosque, and water was poured over it to dilute and therefore purifies the place and eliminates the odor.

There were homes around the mosque. But you chose the mosque which is a community center of some sort, while individual homes are less cherished to the muslims as much as the mosque.

If you could unzip and pull your pants down in the public, why are you facing any wall to defecate since you have lost the first level of shame, anyway? You should at least, appropriately offend the sensitivity of the whole community, and just pick the muslims or any religious group. Show everyone what you have by defecating on the street or the court yard, etc instead.


I often overlooked your paganism. But you seem to be immoral and lacking sensibility when it comes to properties, honor, etc of others. I commended the muslims who went as far as letting you know that what you did is not right, without skinning you alive. At least, now you know that muslims are not blood thirsty, and they can register their grievances without a drop of blood of anyone.

@plappville; « #9 on: September 04, 2011, 09:14 PM »
[Quote]@Seyibrown: u ve just shown how a true Chritianity
Shoud behave, no war, if Jesus should shout u out for doing his work, no man should brag about it.
U ve given d best answer, God will refilled u with more wisdom to handle people with trace of voilant in their blood all because of Religion.[/Quote]I do wonder if Christians pay attention to Jesus at all. Jesus of the new testament said he came with sword and to divide people. He did tat by endorsing all of the old testament and warned no one must fail to endorse it, if he/she is a true follower, otherwise will be demoted to the lowest/least in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus demonstrated his position by the parable of the king who demanded that people should be slain before him. No wonder he asked his disciples to buy swords. We see that he was not a timid man from his youth; increasing in aggressiveness as he grew older, until he overturned the tables of the money changers, etc, even calling people vipers, and other filthy names.

You do not do the work of Jesus of new testament by being meek and shy, but hotheaded and brash. Turning the other cheek is the anti thesis of what Jesus stands for, but in your face never let them have a chance at the first cheek if you can, the second cheek is a no no, hence the preemptive strike is more like it. Who will forget how Jesus told the satanic Peter that he was the very house of satan, or telling God instead of his father or partner that he was not happy that he didn't help him by his 'my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?'

Going to investigate Jesus of the old testament, as Yahweh will proof you wrong, completely. He made Adam and Eve sin, to the point they hid themselves away from Jesus. When they finally emerged Adam blamed EVe who he was supposed to be taking care of in the first place. How about Abel killing Cain and all the evils of the world? If we believe the Christians, Jesus is the one at the bottom of each one of them, including instigating Judas to betray him and then at the end of it all blame himself for forsaken himself. Guy, I skipped event between the beginning and the end, which I think you get the idea, already.

None of the aspects of Jesus in the Bible makes sense. if it does not argue against itself in the same testament, it does between testaments. Even as a prophet, he is a divergent from prophetic order, as he plays God and Man. As God he is different from God, Who is Unseen and singularly unique in all aspects.

I need to end here with the fact that the Bible cheapen God so much so that it records God offering repentance. Who did God repent to and do we expect the True God to repent like us, His creations?

@JeSoul; the first about young until puberty is in Nisaa where Allah talks about maturing to become a spouse, because that is when responsibility begins. That responsibility includes making daily Salah, fasting in ramadhan, etc.

all of them are expressed in the ahadith.

for sure ahadith expalins a verse or verses of the Quran

whats bad though, is that the society will not attend to this lifeless body, and accords it some human dignity.

he needs to be buried instead of allowing him to be there decaying and thereby suffering and offending the sight of the community.

^^^^^ that eliminates original sin.

Islam shows Mercy by this saying;

the pen is lifted for three;

1] a child until he/she reaches puberty.

2] a person who is unconscious until he/she regains consciousness.

3] a mad person until he/she is mentally sound.

@Aletheia: You can continue to run.

Allah has reduced your god to slave, first a baby needing his mother [you should know about that because you used to be a baby once], before a fetus, before a thing blown to her mother, the young virgin Mary, before a thing that didn't exist.

Incidentally, it is the Ruh Qudus who appeared to his mother as a man well proportioned [handsome, calm, comely took that she was not frightened].

You will notice the the Ruh telling Mary that he is a messenger of her God. Then you will notice in later verses where Jesus was saying he is a slave of Allah, given book of revelation, etc.


No tell us the name of of your holy spirit; the third in your trinity.

What you people have done, out of ignorance is to claim an Angel to be a God. Then since you are completely be turned over to Shaytan, you compound that disbelief by writing of the 'prophet like Moses from his people's brethren', who is the 'that prophet' that God will put His words in his mouth, the same 'another comforter' who will hear what God says and simply repeats it.


Your writing off this person, you made up a new entity which neither heard from God nor speak to anyone, then you call him Holy Ghost ascribing it to be a god, like god Jesus and adding them as partners to God Almighty you now call your father, yet your father is a Nigeria.


You see from Gabriel and Muhammad [as to both], you formed a ghost. The ghost that can not do anything. Failed in every prescribed functions of the another comforter, if Jesus was correct.

@Dejgan: « #68 on: Today at 10:45:16 AM »
[Quote]@fROSBEL, LAGOSSHIA, if this is what Islam is all about, justifying the killing of innocent and vulnerable individuals in the name of religion, may I never bow down with anyone to offer prayers facing the moon till death.[/Quote]Amin. Even me. No muslim faces the moon, because this will cancel at least 2 prayers Dhur and Asr when there is no moon at all. What do you do when there is no moon? Even Muslims are not commanded to face the sun or Makka, even Masjid Haraam except The Kaaba [as the Qibla; The direction].



[Quote] you dont need anyone to examine your minds and brains for you. whatever religion, be it islam or "christianity - catholism" that has used/using religion as a tool to rule/impose/govern fellow human being is devilish, anti-God, and the worshippers of those sects do not deserve a place in this generation.[/Quote]Catholics are christians and in my view are more orthodox or conservative than the liberal protestants whose only conservative wing can be found in the so called born again. While the protestant born again can even involve themselves in fornication, we have catholics who are virgins, both male and females, at least pretending to be.

further, when God wiped off people in the time of Noah, it was based on prayers of Noah who had preached to his generation for over 900 years with only handful obeying the Command of God through him. I know you may not have the prayers of Noah in the Bible, but it is in Quran. When God destroyed Pharaoh and his army in the time of Moses, it was the prayers of Moses that precipitated it after 8 miracles without Pharaoh's repentance.

And where will you put the people you think do not deserve a place in this generation, except that you are suggesting that they be killed because they do not agree with you? You are no better in this sense.



[QUote]@frosbel, Jesus never said "those who would not have him rule over them should be killed", it was a phrase from one of his stories (parables).[/Quote]The parable was about Jesus and this opinion of yours shows that you are not speaking as someone who has an open mind to realize the truth.



[Quote]@Lagosshia, muslims might have been persecuted, palestine is a strong issue of the violation of two nations. something that started before our grandparents were born, dont you think we will be daft to continue this senseless war which is bringing revenue to a group of individuals. our generation should be able to think differently and accomodate other people and their ways of life. In south west nigeria, 90% of the families are divided across the two faiths, what would they do? kill themselves because they are fighting for a "GOD"? WHAT A SENSELESS,USELESS,& IRRESPONSIBLE "GOD"![/Quote]I submit to you, that I am a south west of Nigeria product, and if Allah has not protected Muslims, our christian brothers and sisters will sell us up the creek for the benefit of the state of Israel, if they are shy enough not to do it for Jesus, Paul and or christianity. A proof of that are two folds; on Nairaland we see the likes of davidylan carrying the dirty waters of the zionist for them while he may be able to stomach a jab or two at Jesus, he cant when it comes to Israel. He forgets when they overrun Nigeria, his aunts or cousins and any woman in his bloodline will be treated like harlots as the jews see all non jewish women; the case of samson in gaza is a shining example. the second obvious example is the action of Adegboye who is hub nub[bing] with the jews so much so that he went to israel to show solidarity. The same jew thinks his black behind is gutter and his religion is even worse than gutter the reason they are not shy that they proud to say they slaughtered Jesus, the god of this ignorant pastor, regardless of his Ph. D.

And to ignore the action of oppressors is even worse than daft, in this generation if the world made mistake of not quickly stopping it in the time of 3rd Reich, with that much consequences. Imagine what has been happening to the people under oppression now that the war machinery includes using white sulfur, bunker busters, primary and secondary bombs from the primary bomb? If no one stands against oppression of others, when he is being oppressed, he may not find any to stand with him.



[Quote]with a large number of british turning to islam in a nation that used religion to stabilize their throne and dictatorial hold over their people. the lesson is such that nothing can be built on lies. whether you believe the quran or the bible, both can be twisted to do both good and evil. its a choice but the two books are definte and both agree about a life hereafter. a heaven or a hell![/Quote]Muslims are not looking forward to just heaven, because there are 7 heavens and it wil be difficult to know what you are referring to among the 7. But Muslims are hoping to end up in Paradise that we say is Jannah. The fact that british are turning to Islam speaks volumes, will you not say?

^^^^^^^^^^^ No.


will you then learn now that you hear the truth from me?

@Aletheia: I see that you have not given the name of the christian holy ghost. why, mehn? At least try. Ask your pastor if you dont know. Or none of you know?

Jesus said if i don't go he will not come. He said in one place, i will pray the father to send him.

in another place he said i will send him.

in both cases, the holy ghost seemed a subordinate to even Jesus, who is a subordinate to the father.

what is interesting in all of this is that this subordinate holy ghost or spirit is the one that will do what Jesus didn't do because the disciples could not deal with the heavy stuffs.

the holy ghost or holy spirit will correct, remind, teach, lead and praise Jesus.

what did the holy spirit had to correct the disciples who were already making mistakes or completely mistaken on the day of pentecost?

what did holy spirit to remind them of or about?

what did he teach them, that Jesus didn't teach already?

what did he lead them into, that Jesus didn't?

what was the praising of Jesus that was new, which were unknown when Jesus was with the disciples?



It is interesting to know that the Bible say about spirits, to mean prophets, in the the spirit that says Jesus is the Christ is a spirit from God. So tell me how the flamed tongues did this on pentecost?



let me go to Surah Nahl verse 2 for a moment where Ruhu is also mentioned; it says;
He (always) sends (i.e., He has been sending down) down the[b] Angels with the Spirit[/b] of His Command upon whomever He decides among His bondmen, (saying), "Warn that there is no god except I; so be pious to Me."


notice that the the angels and ruhu are errant objects. in previous post i showed that ruhu qudus said in surah Maryam, to Mary that he is a messenger of Allah.

it is obvious that Jesus is also a messenger of Allah in the same Surah Maryam.

Do you still remain confused, because in the same Surah, Allah says after He indicates that the heaven, the earth and the mountains were about to ruin itself, respectively for the evil words the people who say God has a son utter, He immediately says all that are in heaven and on earth come to Him as slaves. Notice that Ruhu Qudus is in the all. So is Jesus. read below the reality of the holy spirit and Jesus son of Mary and all creations. if Ruhu Qudus has not been an angel Allah would be gracious to inform us as He has informed us that Iblis is a Jinn only in the company of Angels. The same Iblis who is Shaytan. You see Allah is not the Author of confusion. You dig?

19:85 On the Day We will gather the righteous to the Most Merciful as a delegation
19:86 And drive the criminals into Hell, (a thirsty) herd.

19:87 None will have [power of] intercession except he who had taken from the Most Merciful a covenant.

19:88 And they have said, "The All-Merciful has taken to Him a child."
19:89 You have done an atrocious thing.
19:90 The heavens are almost about to be rent asunder thereof, and the earth cloven and the mountains to collapse, razed (completely),
19:91 For that they have attributed to The All-Merciful a child;

19:92 And in no way does it behoove The All-Merciful to take to Him a child.
19:93 Decidedly none is there (Literally: all that are there) in the heavens and the earth except that he comes up to The All-Merciful as a slave.

19:94 Indeed He has already enumerated them, and He has numbered them with (exact) numbering.
19:95 And all of them will be coming up to Him upon the Day of the Resurrection, every one singly.

19:96 Surely the ones who have believed and done deeds of righteousness, for them The All-Merciful will soon show (Literally: make for them) affection.