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WAS MARY,MOTHER OF JESUS,A "SISTER" OF AARON LITERALLY OR FIGURATIVELY?

The Qurʼan upholds the virgin birth of Jesus (ʻĪsā)[122] and thus considers his genealogy only through Mary (Maryam), without mentioning Joseph.

Mary is very highly regarded in the Qurʼan, the nineteenth sura being named for her. She is called a daughter of ʻImrān,[123] whose family is the subject of the third sura. The same Mary (Maryam) is also called a sister of Aaron (Hārūn) in one place,[124] and although this is often seen as an anachronistic conflation with the Old Testament Miriam (having the same name), who was sister to Aaron (Hārūn) and daughter to Amram (ʻImrān), the phrase is probably not to be understood literally.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Jesus#Islam

^^ Taken from Thomas Patrick Hughes, "ʻImrān", A Dictionary of Islam, New Delhi.

Did that publication show anywhere in the Quran where the conundrum is explained?[/Quote]the Quran is a book of guidance which challenges the believers and the reader to think. When a person thinks, he realizes that all man are brothers and sisters to one another from Adam, being Adam's progeny with Eve his mate. This mankind condition will come alive in the mind of a thinker, muslim or not  even when he uses gender, skin color, race, geography, ethnicity, culture or religion. In each case a person in that specific group is a brother or sister to all in the same group, both dead and buried or alive. If the yorubas are all children of Oduduwa, how difficult is it for a thinker to accept that when Mary the mother of Jesus was so honored with her tribal heritage with Aaron, in light of the fact that she came in with a child as unwed woman, in order to lay out the foundation for cause to punish her, as they are accusing her for adultery?

i am not an one who accepts the bibles, especially the things from Paul, but he did not have to qualify Jesus with "according to the flesh" what ever that means, with being the son of David before i accept it. Today, King David is even more important to Israel, the Jewish identity than Moses they claim by their tongue as their prophet, thereby rejecting Jesus to the position of false prophet. The world today is a global village and every person is a member of this village. It takes a village to raise a child. Every villager is related to the other, if not by blood, at least by location, the reason every abeokuta man is omo lisabi, every ijebu is omo alare, every yoruba is omo oduduwa, every jew is omo Jacob. Thats thinking. Not the silly fraudulent mind to deny that Mary mother of Jesus is sister of Aaron by national heritage from the 12 nations of omo Jacob. Is this not the same reason Jesus is omo Dafidi, or it is the true father of Solomon that got her pregnant? The wisdom quality of Solomon is in play here and tose who can not apply it will for ever arguing in vain.



[Quote] When the author of that article says that the phrase "probably not to be understood literally", was he not guessing and sounding as though he was not even sure of what he was saying?[/Quote]The case against Jesus being son of David is a reality, because Mary was not married to David, so we will not bring in the "probability card" to justify it, literally or figuratively. Your choice.



[Quote]All these excuses are becoming more of a drama than your aforementioned "figurative" exercise and quantum leaps. Hughes' material does not show any verse for the awaited explanation in the pages of the Quran - otherwise he would not be guessing whether or not it should "probably" be taken literally. Afterall, you're the person who said that "Mary, mother of Jesus,was indeed the sister of Moses and Aron from the same father and mother" - should we class that as another "probable" assertion disguised under your "indeed"?[/Quote]I am playing Abu Bakr Saudiq here: This bold will not come from Lagosshia. After all, it is known that Mary lived 100s of years after the death of both brothers, Moses who Yahweh made God to Prophet Aaron so that Moses as God can deliver the Message of Yahweh to tyrannical Pharaoh of Egypt. David was also long dead before Mary delivered her son, even according to flesh. The term according to flesh really means worldly, physical or sex. In each case David was inappropriate, but Joseph the carpenter was at least a better fit in both the worldly and physical, because he was interest in young girl Mary and was still alive when she delivered a baby.

While many put blinders on in their arguments, the jews of the time of Muhammad [as] did not doubt him. They accepted his position, even though they rejected him in that position that they knew he divinely occupied by their saying ;he may say what you will not like [the truth may make you unhappy]', when they wanted to ask him about human spirit.

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Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:59:59 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^ you seem to be so plain, without any depth.

and you seem to be another shill for your false gods. If Lagoshia is telling us that Aaron's priesthood status is why Mary was "figuratively" called his sister even though both lived thousands of yrs apart . . . what is the justification for calling Mary the daughter of Imran? Was Imran a priest too?[/Quote]whats the justification for calling all nigerians brothers and sisters, when just simply nigerians could be sufficient? i repeat you are so flat that i pity you from the bottom of my heart.

the jews call your type goyim or goyah.

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@Thehomer; « #26 on: Today at 11:21:45 PM »Allah does not restrict Paradise to only martyrs. Every muslim, male of us and female of us shall enter Paradise inchaAllah, except the people who refuse it for themselves; the non muslims and hypocrites if Allah does not will to forgive them foe their hypocrisy.

raisin is from grapes and thats no hourin,

what you should have asked is what will a woman in Paradise get?

her husband will be her male hourin, because families are reconnected together.

if a woman enters and her husband is in hell, she will have her own male hourin created for her.

dont forget that even in this life, a single muslim woman has choices of mate from the pool of muslim men who have not have the 4 mates yet. Whereas muslim man is restricted to those muslim women who are not married.

Okay so it is not raisins then, Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

ALLAH Muhammad is SEX MAD , that's why his heaven is one of S.EX o.rgies and alcohol binging , obviously with some milk and dates to calm things down. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin[/Quote]you seem to be saying that it is alright to have sex in this earth where the cumulative effort one puts forward determines paradise or hell. i see that it is sex that produced somebody on your mind and or disposition. yet, paradise where there is only reward sex must be forbidden? should sex be given to those who are in hell, because it is not the height of enjoyment, but a big punishment? i am concluding that if you are not seek in your mind, you hardly think.




[Quote]Please GOD open the eyes of these beloved blind creatures of yours !!!
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ALLAH does not exist !!!!


ISLAM is a lie invented by Muhammad and his imagination called ALLAH ![/Quote]your truth is worse than a filthy rag. i will try to avoid responding to you from now on.

@Frosbel; « #4 on: August 20, 2011, 11:26 PM »
[Quote]Sunnis and Sufis make una hear ooooo.

Hadith a fabrication Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh[/Quote]you mind of the british authority in pre independent india. there gimmick way to dress like the indian muslims and you will believe they were from afar. then they do the evil thing, committing the killing of the hindus god, by slaughtering the cow. Just at that time they will shout something islam, like Allah Akbar, calling the attention of the hindus, then they quickly disappeared.
now the hindus are gathered and mob mentality takes over. muslims are now fair gather, and of course by share numbers [just like Jesus and his uncommitted supporters], the muslims are no match even with their 'oppression is worse than killing' best effort. this are the foundations of how Pakistan finally came into existence. britain played the role of the devil in the community. it happens that they were not as successful in nigeria, later on.

ironically, it is the same england that has housed you and developed your mind. you are just like your father, the british in this case; calling attention of a community to an individual. what do you expect to happen? people should kill lagosshia was your intention. Allah will make you a success in this effort of yours. you are despicable soul. if you have any moral you should cry for taking a man who had a beginning in his mother's womb, if only that as your Creator, because only the Creator can save.

and your reason for being a devil; yes there are a lot of fabricated hadith in sunni and i imagine also in shia sources; these hadith will be clearly against the Quran. one of the is the topic of this thread.

before i say anything, i want you to imagine the time of revelation in Makka and Madina. how busy the house of the messenger [as] was and easy you will find a stray goat so much so it is able to get into the 'Vault' [the special spot] where the Quran is. is adeboye more important than Mohammad [as]? imagine hard is for thief to sneak into the property of adeboye; almost impossible you will say, while millions of homes in nigeria will be easily invaded.



[Quote]You are now sounding comical , let me give you a little education from Wikipedia

Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence.[4] Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The two main denominations of Islam, Shiʻism and Sunnism, have different sets of Hadith collections.[/Quote]so what education if any have provided with the above, relevant to this thread? zero.



[Quote]Lying will not save you.[/Quote]neither will it save you nor save the devlish Paul your father the master liar who was a killer from the beginning.



[Quote]Looks like Shiite are the heretics of ISLAM !!!!!

But please tell me what happened to the Quran pieces that a hungry goat ate , surely when the goat pooed , they should have retrieved it , right Huh?[/Quote]if you remembered from the above i asked to put yourself in the time of revelation in the home and around the messenger [as], this is the place that you may live out the experience.
even in Makka, he lived in affluent neighborhood, until the difficulties that comes with prophetic office began. through it, the pagans trusted him enough still for him to be their safe deposit box person. this means the traffic to from the house of the messenger [as] now increased with the new muslims being the increase. in Makka, i will imagine that with all of these, it will be pretty difficult to have a goat just come in and head for the Quran and eat it.

let me use the powerless Jesus to demonstrate what would have happened to the goat. Jesus is reported to have helped a possessed man to regain his freedom from spirits [here comes the spirit again, denoting among what spirit can be, that the SPIRIT is not only what is the unseen partner in the trinity, o much so in his invisibility that he was able to mount and overshadow a virgin, and get her pregnant with Jesus the helpless third, yet Mary didn't lose her virginity], considering that he had no power of any sort, Allah Who is Complete is expected to do no less than Jesus on the matter of the last revelation; keeping it from all possible impurities, including ability to lose any part of it. Even the not so independent Yahweh was able to get Jonah out of the whale as he entered it, a living man and coming out as exactly the same living man after 3 days and three nights [incidentally it is the same miracle type that Jesus promised as his sign; if he didn't enter the 'cave' alive, he should have came out not alive too, and three days and three night must also be completed. no christian has been able to count the three days and three nights out of friday evening to the dawn of the following sunday. with all the miracle workers, this have been a miracle that Jesus of the Bibles also failed to perform], the goat would have been expected to throw up the revelation completely intact.

but Allah is always alive never weary or fall into slumber. He is in control of everything, and no one else has ability to prevent His blessing or punishment from reaching its destination. The goat, if there was a goat that could walk in unnoticed could have met any of Allah's invisible armies, a lion for example could have appeared to the goat to scare it from coming near the Quran. the goat itself could have been made to be filled up, or not be able to open its mouth, or chew, etc. the possibility ways of stopping the goat are uncountable. Allah Personally guaranteed the full preservation of Quran and it incorruptibility to the last man on earth. And no goat can prevent it from happening. let me share something with you that a verse is lost to a goat is impossible because Quran as written down when revelation was taking place were in 4 copies at the same time by 4 known scribes, and each set is in possession of the Messenger [as], and any muslim who wants to memorize copied from what is recited, or what is copied from these 4. Quran is easy to read and or memorize. i remember how Umar bin Khattab came to islam; with all his pride as a pagan then, his younger sister prevented him from coming new the parchment Surah Taha which eventually led him to embrace the young religion. but his sister and husband wrapped the Surah in a cloth and kept it hidden. I am going to say that i will not expect that the messenger took care of 4 copies of the Quran less, so much so that a lone goat was able to pick the same part from each for his food. the christians should device a different strategy and we the muslims will prove it wrong, just as easily.


the Madina community was so much in and out of the house of the messenger [as] that Allah in Surah Azhab told the manner of being in the house of the bashful messenger who with all his always pressing for time did not tell his guest that he is busy. so many of the revelation came in the presence of even disbelievers as the verse about 'spirit' to answer the question asked by the jews on it. imagine if it was a secret or false premise, the jews will not said to one another 'he may something that you may dislike', knowing that he will tell the truth as a messenger with revelation, and when he told them about the 'spirit' [human spirit, not jinn, not the silent partner of christian gods that neither the jews nor Muhammad [as] who they asked believe], the jews didn't say a word. they accepted it and was a witness against them. they were after all more than him, and they pride themselves as being people of revelation, yet they didn't accuse him of being a false messenger because they saw all the signs of true prophet in him [he didnt eat charity but will eat from gifts, and many more; tings they were familiar with as common to prophets in the past], unlike how they accused Jesus of being a false messiah and son of a love peddler. it was Muhammad [as] who the Lord of Jesus Who sent him earlier used to clear the air about these evil accusation, Muhammad fulfilling every role of the another comforter, indication there was at least a former comforter [by the what was the role of the former comforter, and what way would you a comforter if you met one?]


many generations ago in the english parliament, stood a parliamentarian who made a long speech against islam and punctuated it by whipping out a Quran and tore it as if to say this brings an end to it. another parliamentarian stood up to tell him reality of the then and now that Quran is physical, but it is being ingrained in the heart that will make every effort against islam unsuccessful. you cant tell anyone with some measurable amount of intelligence that 4 master copies missed the same verse because a goat each of the material the verse is written on, as if none of the material will something like a bone and not leaves in four. Can anyone assume that it leaves were used at all, it will be used at the same by all 4 scribes to write the same verse, within the same space, and no other times the revelation were written on leaves, yet in each year that the messenger received revelation and recited to Jibril, and Jibril reciting back, there was no correction of the Quran on the missing verse that the imaginary goat ate. yet hundreds of people memorized all the Quran in addition to all community members memorizing parts of the Quran for their daily salah use, and Allah after all of this certified Muhammad [as] as a messenger who discharged his duty well and fully.

^^^^^^^^^^^ you seem to be so plain, without any depth.

@Frosbel; show me a verse in the Bible that says after Jesus, a prophet of God, God Almighty will not appoint any more human prophet over the whole of mankind and or the children of Israel.

after that verse, i would have gone through your long boring post. and i will spend a moment to show how you and your bible are so wrong.

we see that Jesus was not 'that prophet'. we also know that Jesus was not the 'another comforter'.


your best argument is to say Paul is 'that prophet' and he was also the 'another comforter'.

if you take that route, i will show you that even Paul knows he was a liar.

if you take another route i will point you to the person known as Muhammad [as].

[christ was a sinner or how do you explain his calling somebody a fool, when he said such an utterance takes the person to hell?

what is the word that it preached, if you are sincere and you are not a liar like your father who was before a killer?


show me what he preached; pages of what he preached not stories about him.

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@davidylan, you are getting so many things wrong, the pharisees accused JESUS of mingling with the sinners, and what did Christ said to them, or are you going to say that christ Himself has compromised, Also, when Jesus was 12, He was found in the temple sitting with the Jewish teachers asking them questions, did He compromise, When Jesus sent out the seventy-two disciple to preach, He said to them to take nothing with you, and that all your needs will be taken care of by those they visit; am pretty sure that during their evangelization, they must have came across pagans who gave them a warm wellcome, now am sure you would say that the disciples have compromised, So please, so long you know what you are there for, you are not compromising yourself in that situation. The white missionary that came into Africa have to absorb the African culture into the church in order for them to reach deep into the people ( thats why an average African church sings and dance alot).

[b]Note that Christ "mingled" with sinners with the INTENT to preach the word [/b]to them not to go and kiss their quran.p.Quote[christ was a sinner or how do you explain his calling somebody a fool, when he said such an utterance takes the person to hell?

what is the word that it preached, if you are sincere and you are not a liar like your father who was before a killer?


show me what he preached; pages of what he preached not stories about him.[/quote]

@Thehomer; « #26 on: Today at 11:21:45 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 11:03:47 PM
take it as you like.

you're here not to acquire knowledge or give it.you're here to be stu.pid.so you'd be ignored and laughed at.stay in your stu.pidity.

This is what we get from asking you to clarify whether it is virgins or raisins that your fellow Muslims get in heaven after deaths as martyrs. If you know the answer, simply respond without spamming the thread trying to change the subject. If you're too dull to do that, then simply give up and avoid attracting attention.[/Quote]Allah does not restrict Paradise to only martyrs. Every muslim, male of us and female of us shall enter Paradise inchaAllah, except the people who refuse it for themselves; the non muslims and hypocrites if Allah does not will to forgive them foe their hypocrisy.

raisin is from grapes and thats no hourin,

what you should have asked is what will a woman in Paradise get?

her husband will be her male hourin, because families are reconnected together.

if a woman enters and her husband is in hell, she will have her own male hourin created for her.

dont forget that even in this life, a single muslim woman has choices of mate from the pool of muslim men who have not have the 4 mates yet. Whereas muslim man is restricted to those muslim women who are not married.

i have an idea for the christians;

was Mary both mother of Jesus and wife King David?

but David died long time before his son Jesus was born.

in fact David died long time before Mary was born.

ow can Jesus be son of David and Mary is not his wife, yet according to being from the tribal line with Aaron, considering Zacharias and his son John were also, that the christians find it strange that Mary was considered as sister of Aaron according to the flesh? I think people should apply the same brush stroke to a similar statement.


if all children of Adam are brothers and sisters how difficult is it for an average intelligence to understand Mary is a human sister of Aaron regardless of the time they lived.


nigerians stand in brother-hood and sister-hood to one another in the nation. yet it is from this pool that suitors seek their spouses.

^^^^^^^^^^^^and you dont need te gymnasyics because yours is hatman. i pray you will not live your entire life like your father, Paul the liar who was a killer from the beginning.

dont worry, all humans will come to it, including you, Jesus and Paul.

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[Quote]all i know is religion section is full of cultists who also masquerade in other parts of the forum, using various ids.

i personally dont know who is who.
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sweetnecta

is there any particular reason why you're always happy to see me post.

you want your wife to come after me? Huh[/Quote]about the happiness, i am always happy around people. you will be no exception. further, ow can my wife come after you when you are a man. mehn; i love women and i dont switch hit or on the down low. i remember addressing you, thinking you are the woman in new zealand with similar name. you retorted that you are not, then i noticed that you are a man out of down under. i'm so wrong to be happy to see you?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ thats a beautiful dua. i know part of it. i must learn all of it, inchaAllah

i do believe he was sinless as Allah is the One determines what is sinful or what is not.

you seriously lapsed in memory that Jesus said "forgive us our sins".

then he said from the pages of the bibles that a mere calling somebody a fool makes the person an inmate of hell. only sinner goes to hell.

then Jesus later call somebody a fool. if Jesus is correct about the consequences of calling somebody a fool, where is he now, frosbel?


i know you will not answer honestly because you are a liar just as well.

Jesus said people should pluck out their eyes, cut off their limbs if it will lead them to sin. well none of you chrisrians have done that, ever. so you are liars [especially frosbel]. you are the children of your fathers the liar, who was before a killer [Paul].

Congoshine learned english because of its importance for his education, so he did not mind learning it.

he is criticizing us who pray in arabic because it is the command we are eager to obey because muslims are not willing to disobey Allah.
By this obedience, Arabic is made easy for us. Few years ago, a friend put her mother on line with me out of Abeokuta. She was an old woman then and she has since passed [ra].

This woman an afidh of Quran.

Then later in her life, she went to night school to learn how to read and write.


It was her ability of memorizing the Quran that helped her in the night school.

i dont know how to respond to this because its too long.

but then Jesus called a person and had warned such a statement deserves remaining in hell.

where is Jesus?

Who ends up in hell except very sinful person?

@hisshild; AKA Frosbel; « #1 on: Today at 02:20:32 PM »
[Quote]"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." - 1 Corinthians 2:9[/Quote]

you are freakiest, funkiest funk of 'tool' ever.

the same you who criticized the muslims about their Paradise is now eager to enjoy the heaven described in 1 Corinthians 2 verse 9? Whats the difference between what muslims say and what is in 1 Corinthians 2 verse 9, since you don't know what is it that eye has not seen, ear has not heard and has entered to the heart of man.

You are the biggest joke on Nairaland because you stand for noting. You have no honor in my book and i am a man that does curve grading, giving everyone a chance.

its a same that i am sharing a forun with somebody like you. After awhile i will leave Nairaland for you type.

@Frosbel; « #2 on: August 21, 2011, 05:50 PM »

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Tell me why the sister is lying . She is deliberately manipulative !![/Quote]the sister is lying because hourins are not raisins. hourins are creation that are part of the rewards of being a believer that received Mercy of Allah. but hourins could be for a woman, too. tough it is hourins for men that are described, imagine a woman in paradise whose husband in is not, but in hell.

in this world, when a person reaches a certain age the sexual mechanical instinct awakes, whether the person wants it or not. it will be like food or drink before a hungry or a thirsty person. i remember few years a mother of a 20something woman was saying she was asking about the size of one breast being larger than the other.

Later, 2 years ago she came home pregnant from her american born nigerian blood boyfriend. she is now a mother of a 1 year also girl. wen i became a friend of the family in 04, i saw er and the boy and wondered to myself how odd they were. one is a true nigerian pedigree while what te male has if you think it is anytig is his been born in america. When i was told, i couldnt believe it, until i heard te cry of the new born.

this is to mean, when she was matured enough, now a 31 year old woman, the man who was there got her. it really didnt matter of how i saw her and the guy. i remembered a female cat that was stretching and meowing so much that her owner took her to the basement where are sibling was manning the stored of groceries against the 'american rats'. guess what; she herself became pregnant.

coming back to issue of hourins, if you do not know, the word used for wife is the same used for husband; Zauj [of this world]. this therefore shows that each person needs the mate he or she deserves. But it is man that who lays more emphasis pn sex and eager to engage than woman. i am sure if it is the male hourins that is discussed in the Quran, you will be shouting as if you are not a male. each of your cristian women would love to have the physical attribute of the female hourins, and will want their men to be exactly what the male hourins may be.

some day, you will be honest to yourself and admit that you may discuss the physicality of a woman to your sister, if she discusses the physicality of her husband to you, you will not want to hear it.



[Quote]Why are you guys such HUGE LIARS  Huh[/Quote]the woman on the video lives in Canada. she says of herself she is a butch, to mean she prefers women. i will not say she represents Islam just the way that you dont represent christianity but your own view of what Christianity is. you are a proof against yourself as a liar. remember what you said that you will do if Jesus were to have been found dishonest? Well hos statement about calling somebody a fool, and he doing it is enough if he is not hell fire according to his statement in the bibles.



[Quote]And to make matters worse you ALLAH cares less whether you lie or not because he is the great deceiver , right ?[/Quote]I know that Makr is deception in your head and it cant be plan. So I will give you many verses where Makr is a word and you fit in deception or its variants in it. Fair enough?

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[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Today at 01:28:38 AM
in the view of the above, is anything said by Paul worth its weight in a single grain of salt?

We know already that Muhammad prayed for forgiveness for his sins seventy times a day - [/Quote]you seem to forget that Jesus also prayed. Check you bibles, you will see 'forgive us our sins'. Then Jesus prayed many times in the garden. Either God accepted his prayers of help or they were rejected. No prophet ever prayed that was rejected. Whatever God will not accept from prophet He will not let him utter it. If at long last, after all those prayers Jesus was killed by Romans or Jews or both it simply points to the fact that Jesus was a sinner the reason he was rejected.

If he was saved he will only be a prophet and not God; I know that it is not the God part that we are talking about here. And to the sins of Jesus, from the pages of your Bibles you should be able to reason that if he is not in hell as a sinner he was lying when he said if a person call a human being a fool, he will have to be thrown into hell for it. Jesus didn't avoid that 'hell bound word'. He called somebody a fool.

No where in the Bible did Yahweh promise Jesus that he will forgive him. We also know that Jesus said of himself that he was powerless. So i don't listen to what came from the mouth of Johnnie come lately, even later in the person of Paul. We take what come from the horse's mouth. If investigated further, the dying Jesus committed the greatest sin; blaming Eli for forsaking him.



[Quote]I definitely cannot listen to a man who is that much loaded with sins! If he could ask for forgiveness 70 times a day for all the years I went to University, that would make about 102,200 sins for just 4 years! I don't read of Paul praying for sinning seventy times a day, do you?[/Quote]Paul is unimportant because his dye has already been cast for being a liar in his effort to propagate and the fact that he was killer before [read your bible, unless those verses are fraud, corrupt and useless].

And as to forgiveness in Islam, even if your sins are into quad trillions or even ga-zillions, each more profound than the meager 102,200 that you listed, a single forgiveness from Allah wipes all of them and you are like a new born baby from mother's womb. Are you familiar with the hadith of Aisha [ra] saying to Muhammad [as] 'even your future sins are already forgiven you". Yet Muhammad said to her "for that reason should i not be a grateful slave of Allah, thanking him?"

You know when you analyze how future sin can be forgiven, you will realize that you are prevented from committing that sin that you used to enjoy committing, or a new one you may just be cultivating to begin committing.
I need to ask you about Muhammad [as]. Could you list the type of sins he used to commit that he was asking forgiveness for? I guarantee you that you will not be able to find one, except you make it up. If he was sinner in sin city Makka, when he declared his prophetic office, they would used it to malign him.

When he arrived in Madina, the Jews in particular would have raised a big cloud of his sins and say he was not a prophet. In either city, no one said anything about his 'sin', which should have been the biggest weapon against his claim and his efforts. I realize you avoided not talking about Jesus including a verse from the gospel. Rather you put up Paul and his verse. Unless he is the one that is the another comforter promised and the that prophet to come after Jesus, I do affirm that Paul is a fraud. He and the bible writers have robbed Jesus son of Mary his innocence as a prophet of God, instead made him to what he is not.

In the middle of responding to you, I went to make my salah. I read surah Nasr [chapter 110] and the last verse is #3 wherein Allah says to the believers 'wastagfiru inna hukana tawabba'. The wastagfiru here is 'and ask for forgiveness'. People like you may term it as a sign of the sins of Muslims without looking at what the whole chapter is saying, what was the circumstances of its revelation, etc. This is one of the last Surahs revealed to the messenger [as], addressing his impending very near future death, and the success of his mission and the bright future of Islam. The chapter is about victory and they say to the victor goes the spoil.

Yet this victor {Muhammad [as]] and his companions [ra] were told to seek forgiveness, when they have done nothing wrong, done everything right being obedience. They have to continue to be obedient and this way, even if there is no obvious sin, not asking for forgiveness is pure arrogance, and when you are told to seek forgiveness, you obey. This obedience elevates you higher. Since you went to University, you must know about curves and extra credits. While every one may be graded down and makes the passing grade by 'curving', the one who is truly successful gets extra marks, so he/she ends up with 107% or more when the best is 1oo%.

Allah says of Muhammad [as] in Suratul Inshirah [chapter 94] verse 4 says about Muhammad [as]; 'and raised the esteem [in which] you [Muhammad  is held]. Is Muhammad [as] a sinner? From me, no. But then i asked you, testing your honesty.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:21:21 PM
a person who thinks will know that God will never be flesh, like His creations/made; what maker makes.

Thinking people know that Romans 1:3 was describing the human lineage of Jesus Christ - I guess that is beyond you if you are struggling to even think.[/Quote]nowhere in my statement above that you could come with the idea that i am struggling or i am the 'thinking people' in that statement. I may want to use we or us and our fore myself in the right setting, but not 'people'. 1 person does not make 'people' even make 'a people'. I think now that you will make up story of sin for Muhammad [as]. You ave displayed a fruit of deceit.



[Quote]What I am still wondering about is that none of you have been abe to show any verse of the Quran that explains how or why Mary was "sister" of Aaron.[/Quote]You will continue to wonder. Even though you were able to compute that 70 times X [X being the number of days you spent as a University student] equals to 102,200, and that according to the flesh [whatever flesh means here], Paul was able to make Jesus son of King David [the father of King Solomon the wise], you are not able to use that fresh out of University mind to read in the Quran verse[s]; Yaa bani Adama [Oh Children of Adam], which is generic to all mankind [Mary and Aaron were from mankind].

Or verses: "Yaa bani Israil" [Oh children of Israel] which are even more specific to Mary and Aaron, excluding me, a Nigerian and you unless you a Jew by blood. Are you a Jew? Then what tribe or nation are you from in the 12?



[Quote] The excuses that I read from you guys are just fanciful tales. Arabic and Islamic cultures do not describe people as brothers and sisters who lived in generations FAR APART from each other! O' comon guys - just either admit you don't see any explanation in any verse of the Quran for that conundrum rather than trying to fill the gap for Muhammad.[/Quote]oh come on, man, a statement is its own best explanation. If I say to you that my friend is a foreigner. You only have to hear him speak and you will know that he is my friend, especially wen he is the only asking you to translate 9ja yabbis to Queens English. And Quran is not an arabic culture but an Islamic culture [which also stated], by its fact that it covers every thing that is good in every culture and eliminates what is bad in Arabic culture and then other cultures. You have a sharp mind so i will remind you in case you over look it my guy that the world is now a global village. There is an african proverb that says it takes a village to raise a child. Not everyone in the village is related, because choosing a spouse will be like sleeping with your own brother or sister, if Jesus is the son of David and we can only imagine what Mary is to David by the "flesh'?

Incidentally, if you suggest to us that the jews according to the flesh theory of Paul can make Jesus a son to David because they are both from the same culture of Children of Israel according to the flesh, whose children are Mary and Aaron according to flesh if not te same Children of israel? What was the reaction of the jews in Madina when the Quran says the old Jews said to Mary "Oh sister of Aaron"? I have a video from an English man that says half of the Jewish rabbis of madina were muslims. If you are saying it was a conundrum, shouldn't the jews have abandoned the young religion and raise a campaign against him, using this very incident as their platform? I do hope you think harder before you respond. College education is very expensive. Somebody broke the bank to finance what you now have. Congratulations.

@Wordtalk; the author of the roman verse you quoted to explain Jesus and David said the following about himself; Paul interrogates:
"But if through my falsehood ("lie" in K.J.V.), God's truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned ("judged" in K.J.V.), as a sinner?" Romans 3:7 (N.R.S.V.)

and somebody in the bible said something in the line of this; you are just like your father. he was a killer before . . . .



in the view of the above, is anything said by Paul worth its weight in a single grain of salt?

@Emofine; « #5 on: Today at 12:12:59 PM »
[Quote]In all honesty I have always been intrigued by the Paradise promised to Muslims. I have heard and read about the Islamic version of Paradise and quite innocently I have always assumed it was figurative or perhaps symbolic . . . well until frosbel quoted his friend:

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"The Quran says that wine is forbidden. If it's forbidden here, why it should be permitted there? He said, "For Allah to compensate us for what we did not do during our life on Earth."

Shocked

I'm a little shocked by that admission but of course his friend may not be a great authority on the Islamic faith just as Christianity has it's fair share of deceitful, wayward spokesperson so I'm afraid I'm just gonna have to be patient for another Musilm to perhaps respond and clear up that particular remark because he is suggesting that the Muslim Paradise will be an abode abundant in vices - well that's how it sounds like to me because Muslims in their entire lifetime are forbidden certain things in this world only to pass away and ascend into heaven to be partakers of those formerly forbidden vices for an eternity Huh[/Quote]while toba's friend might have said what toba reported him to have said, Allah's thankful way for obedience to Him is all His own. Allah says of the river of wine, it is a wine that will not have any of the negative side effects that the worldly beverages have. the food will not make a person goes to the bathroom. the husband to his wife and the wife to her husband will both be pure and have first experience in the best way each time the have experience [each time you stretch is good enjotment on earth. pay attention to it].

the drinking in paradise are for those who want to drink. all religious restrictions are commandments on this earth. Paradise is reward for obedience by the Mercy of The Merciful and Appreciative.

when Jacob and his children prostrated to Joseph, it was think permitted by Allah. otherwise it would be idolatry on the parts of the one who received and those who prostrated.

the absence of Islamic paradise is hell fire. those who are not in paradise will be in the other. may Allah not make you, any of us go to that. Amin. the way to prevent that is at least begin the journey to avoid it. come in to islam. sisi, you will be even be more than e mo fine.



[Quote]No offence but the Paradise quoted from the Quaran sounds like something Hugh Hefner will dream up Embarrassed[/Quote]if a mere mortal can dream up playboy mansion, if it was not that Allah commands against it, every man would have dreamt of it,and every woman would have dreamt of it, or each gender would have participated in the dram of the other. let me say something; fancy cars are not forbidden. if they were many will not buy because of their effort to stay away from the forbidden.

when we were children, there were rules made for us to obey or follow. when each graduates from the level or age that the rules apply, you dont follow them. a drinker on earth today can do it because he is an adult. it will raise a big eyebrow if a 5 year old, regardless of his/her wealth is drinking Cognac 'Louis the 14, 15 or 16 grades.

but if he has billions as an adult, if he orders old english, they will say he is a miser and does not know how to chop life.

paradise is chpping life as Allah Wills not to restrict you.

And after all of your belief and your miracles Jesus will tell you; i do not know thee.

[Quote]« #5 on: Today at 08:33:49 AM »

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but [b]after this the judgment[/b]Heb 9:27


I have told you.[/Quote]hischild, gead man doesnt wake up.

if he does, he is a zombie according people of haiti.

if a zombie he doesnt hide from killers because he has no brain. according to fela's song he will be doing jooroo jaaraa jooorooo oooooo.

and everyone who dies will be judged by the Judge Who created death for this purpose and He is not a dying or dead or will die or once dead Judge.

Allah is Akbar.

what wordtalk is asking now was done by prophet Muhammad [as]

the mosque in Madina if you must know was used by the christian guests to conduct their services in the 3 days they visited.

the land of the prophet [as] is now forbidden for organized religious services that is not of Islamic monotheism. this means nation of islam cant conduct their service there too.

there is a mosque in Texas or Illinois that has its door open to christian if they want. more must should if the christians want.

[Quote]Romans 1:3 - "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh." [/Quote]a person who thinks will know that God will never be flesh, like His creations/made; what maker makes.

God is not seen at anytime, so the author of Roman 1 verse 3 goes against what the jews that Jesus came for and Jesus himself believe.

Jesus was on earth he didnt say am God worship me. if he had said so, the Jews would have made sure they slaughtered on the high noon, instead of hanging him so close to the beginning of sabbath that no one can really be certain of the outcome. a dead man does not walk in the shadows to avoid his killers.

as to Mary and Aaron, if all humans are brothers and sisters 'according' to being offspring of Adam [as], is this not the very reason, at least to know that Aaron who is dead already is a brother to every human being, including Mary, except Adam the father of all?

is Jesus the brother of Solomon then, the uncles of Solomon's children, and brother in law to the wives of Solomon?

everyone of us is a seed of Adam according to the flesh. Every jew is a brother or sister to one another according to the flesh, being children of Jacob, the man renamed Israel.

that should satisfy woldtalk, who was satisfied with Paul's explanation but refused to know without explanation that all humans are by Adam as the father, brothers and sisters

did the Quran say more than the possibility you gave Jesus to David as to Mary and Aaron?

Allah says when He decrees a thing, He says 'kun fa ya kun' literally be so it be.

when Jesus was that be so it be, is he not created?


i am also from the be so it be. so are you. so are all humans. are we not created? are we not the Word of Allah?

is the Word not His Command?

LOl. ^^^^^^^^ Aussie. gaad dey.





put a shrimp on the barbie.

more importantly, we are all children of Adam.

by that alone, Mary is sister Aaron.

How is Jesus son of David, then?

ow is Jesus son of Adam then [check your bible]?

frosbel go and sit down.

you bible used the word spirit for prophets.

a true prophet of God is a spirit from God says the bible.

do humans have human spirit?

do you have a spirit?

[Quote]« #12 on: Yesterday at 12:46:20 PM »

Quote from: vedaxcool on December 10, 2010, 09:47 AM
[2:97] Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought down this (Quran) into your heart, in accordance with GOD's will, confirming
previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."

16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.

16:102 Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation(Qur'an) from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

2:97 says Gabriel brought down the Qur'an. and 16:102 is affirming that the Holy spirit Brought down the revelation, hence the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. QED

After nearly a month of evasive maneuvers; is this the best you can do. Let it be noted that there are no verses in the qur'an that state that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Instead you present a tepid and rather circuitous QED.[/Quote]Let me ask you, do you think that the Quran must say by a single verse that Jibril is a malaika, he is the one that brings revelation, he is the holy spirit, powerful in knowledge, the spirit, etc? Quran being a piece meal revelation answering and addressing issue that is current and needing solution. All did not talk about Himself as He did in Surah 112, until they asked about Allah.
I will wait to read your Holy Spirit of the Triun gods, with his name and if he has a voice, or he mounts a virgin without asking her if she wants it?



[Quote]Let us look at 2.97; noting that you also apply the same trick that your cohort chakula used above---interpolating words into the qur'an. 2.97 does not mention qur'an:[/Quote]Quran has many names, including Kitab, Furqan, etc. [Nazalah; revealed or revelation as in Inna Anzalnahu fi laitatul Qudr].



[Quote]If we translated the Arabic without interpolating words, we arrive at:

Say: 'Whosoever is an enemy to Gabriel -- he it was that brought it down upon thy heart by the leave of God, confirming what was before it, and for a guidance and good tidings to the believers. (S. 2:97)
Notice it does not mention qur'an. Likewise in 16:101-102; we find only mention of a generic it. You added qur'an in order to try and make your assertion seem genuine.[/Quote]What is the it? What is it that is before it that it confirms? what is is a guidance and good tidings to the believers? You o know that the Quran does not describe anyone as a believer except Muslim?



[Quote]Secondly the qur'an itself for all it's errors several times makes the distinction between the Spirit and angels for Gabriel is one of the angels, while the Holy Spirit is separate.[/Quote]Can an arch Angel like Jibril not have a title? Muhammad [as] a human being is uniquely identify by a Kunya/ Nick name; Abu Kasim. If anyone has a son named Kasim, he will not be called Abu Kasim because that name is reserved for Muhammad. Apply that thinking to Jibril, an Angel given many titles, one of them being Holy Spirit.



[Quote]S97:4. The angels and the Spirit [/b]descend therein, by the permission of their Lord with every bidding.[/Quote]he Jibril is called Spirit. If you read the verse, you will see why they are out in this very powerful night that is better than 1000 months; The angels and the Spirit descend therein by [b]permission of their Lord for every matter.
Notice the bold. You dont say that Lord is the Lord of Lord, if Holy Spirit is not Angel?



[Quote]So what Muslims will have us believe; is that verses such as the following:

S15.29. So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

instead should read:

So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of Gabriel, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.[/Quote]Do you have a spirit in you? Do you have a soul in you? Where did your soul from if God breathing Spirit in you is not the Soul you carry in your body? Remember only spirit breathe into Adam, and no soul? Yet you cant say he did not have a soul, but you do, while you are not better than Adam in any respect.



[Quote]In fact Muhammad in this is more honest than his later day followers who claim Gabriel is the Holy Spirit.

17:85 They will question thee concerning the Spirit. Say: 'The Spirit is of the bidding of my Lord. You have been given of knowledge nothing except a little.'[/Quote]Remember Allah told him little about it. He knows something. And his answer was not question by the Jews. They accepted it. Is this spirit that asked him not about human spirit, since they are humans? Do the Jews have a holy spirit as in the Trinity of the Christians? Can you answer this, if cant tell us the personal name of that Holy Spirit of Trinity because it just exist? At least we know what the Jews believe; they dont have Trinity you know, unless you will invent holy spirit as in trinity for them? Try it. I'm waiting, Aletheia.



[Quote]God is merciful, for even in their error-hurled book, He has provided to them a little light, thereby confirming that which Paul said in Athens:

That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us [Acts 17:27]

We find this written in the qur'an:
S4:171. O ye people of the Book! do not exceed in your religion, nor say against God aught save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, is but the apostle of God and His Word, which He cast into Mary and a spirit from Him; believe then in God and His apostles, and say not 'Three.' Have done! it were better for you. God is only one God, celebrated be His praise that He should beget a Son! His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; and God sufficeth for a guardian.

In this verse, Jesus is called "HIS WORD" and "SPIRIT FROM HIM". These two sentence makes it clear that Jesus is the very God and there is no doubt in it. This is God manifest as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, after all![/Quote]May God help you from the abject condition Satan as Paul have you in. Aminallah. Did you see that Allah says there is no 3 gods, wich you have? Do you see that Allah says everything belongs to Him, everything including Jesus? Did you see that Allah says ONLY HE worthy of all Praises?



[Quote]   1. God Himself
  2. His Word (Jesus)
  3. His Spirit (Holy Spirit)[/Quote]So the spirit made the baby, but God is tagged wit it? Ask a Jamaica, you will be told what it means when a woman gives a jacket.



[Quote]If God has a spirit and God has a word in Qur'an then God of Qur'an also is a triune God. It turns out that in attacking Christianity, the Qur'an affirms the central dogma of Christians:[/Quote]you are without a doubt a special case. but the you like your fathe paul. he was a killer before. and he speaks, he lies. trinity when Allah say dont say three and describing Himself in Chapter 112. Where is the 3 and pleae name them, considering that Allah says what Jesus will be called affirm or deny before mankind in the day where is no doubt.



[Quote]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. [John 1:1-2]

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [John 1:14][/Quote]do the jews share this with you in genesis?



[Quote]At the very core of this Islamic message we find a seed of truth - that will stand as a witness against all Muslims who refuse to believe that Jesus is Lord.

Indeed Jesus is Lord of Lords, and King of Kings, the Alpha and Omega, to whom be praise and worship and glory and authority forever and ever. Amen![/Quote]over1 billion people know that you are a liar. even you know that you are a liar. qhen will you give me the proper name of the christian holy spirit?
i assure you, if you live to be 50,000 years old, you will never be able to provide an answer.