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UGBE634:
[s]They don't have a choice, it is a uniting stool for us all. And also our Oba can't be from dirty Ife. Ife is too small for our Oba to come from. If after all my explanations of the word 'we' then you are still slowpoking then I am afraid you are irredeemable and you need a refund of your school fees[/s]

This has been debunked.

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid[/s]

And this too.

Come up something new. I have many Benin dullards to teach. You’re or the only one from Benin.

UGBE634:
They don't have a choice, it is a uniting stool for us all

Well his family members are not his slave. You are.

UGBE634:
who the Lagos help, I was addressing your last paragraph you bastard

I love you too.

BiniSupremacist:
Ok, are we going to be refrencing our local reprot as fact you want us to take the history of lagos people from lagosians and you want us not to use the benin own version... Lol... Why to be comfortable when you lie The lagos version cannot be accepted, anything beyond 1914 has been doctored and motivated by tribal setinment

The Lagos account was earlier than the Benin’s account. As such it has no motivation to be reacting to any earlier account.

The same can not be said about the contrary later-day Benin account which came many, many decades after the Lagos account.

I thought you denied eyewitness account as the only basis for history. Lol. Oh, I get. You deny it only when it feels convenient to deny it.

We are also not going to use that of the beninsWe are using records below 1914
Is that fair enough.....?

What happened to the people living before 1914? Just curious.

Anyways, there is NO pre-1914 account which says Bini conquered Lagos in order to settle on the island.

All the pre-1914 accounts (which talks about how the Binis came originally to settle on the island) agree that they settled peacefully after they had sought a granted permission to land from the native owners.

~ See: J. B. Wood (1878), J. O. George (1895), J. B. Losi (1914), and then A. C. Burns (1929) which is based on Wood and Losi according to Robert Smith.

If you request earliest eye witness by ulsmier
Which etinosa has clearly brought out to you

Ulsheimer’s notes (of 1603-4) — which I have — does not say one word about how the Binis came originally from Benin to settle on the island of Lagos.

It simply speaks about when and how he met them (i.e. the descendants of the first Binis who migrated there from Benin) already living in only one of the different ‘towns’ on the island .

He speaks of meeting them living there (in 1603-4) in an armed unit apparently because they’ve been tasked (around the year 1603-4) by their king to ensure that a certain Benin town (also situated apparently along the Atlantic coast, but closer to Lagos than to Benin), which had disobeyed its king, is returned back to status quo.

Nothing is said in Ulsheimer’s account about how their ancestors originally migrated from Benin in the 1500s to settle on the island.

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid[/s]

I am NOT sure if there is any Avenue called Yewa in the part of the world I live. [I hate to say it].

Why are you triggered by the way? You mean you can’t withstand evidence-backed statements? You mean you really want to be connected to Lagos at all cost?

No, it’s NOT by force na. I can imagine what you feel like, you’ve been too comfortable with falsehood from a very young. You breathed falsehood without knowing it is falsehood. You embraced it with all sincerity.

But now the truth has come (with evidence) and falsehood is perishing (causing you great distress), but falsehood is by its very nature meant to eventually perish.

UGBE634:
[s]I have seen you can't be redeemed you are gone and gone for good. The UMOGUN family today is one of the largest family unit in Benin alongside OVBIEZE which seems to be the largest to me and OGIESAN, what I am trying to tell you is this those that are also from the eweka line and from different obas who have ruled in time past and are now part of the larger populace, are you going to say they are slaves. mind you each family unit up there is over four hundred thousand now. It's like you just want to learn internal Edo workings to me to make up for the fact that you don't travel out of ogbomosho[/s]

Listen, stop hijacking my argument and spinning things around like it was yours.

Are you from the Eweka family-line, from Oranmiyan, from Ife? NO Then you are a slave of the Oba without any but or if. And you admitted it.

Only those from your Oba’s family line, from Eweka, from Oranmiyan, from Ife (PATRILINEALLY) are NOT his slave by default. If they chose to be his slave, then that’s a different question.

Fezz:
[s]Will you keep quiet. So because Ereko was written on that picture you want me to believe that it was not recently inscribed on the picture. Anyone can caption any name on any picture in the 21st century, so please try harder.[/s]

The name ‘Ereko’ still exists till date in Lagos — on the island particularly.

We live in the internet age. Stop embarrassing your people publicly on Nairaland. Check it out yourself.

Also, please inscribe “Benin” to that picture for me and let it appear as the original. Since anyone can do it. I’d be waiting. Lol.

[s]I hope you know that the earliest founders of Eko are known as the Aonins (meaning descendants of ini benin) which are a group of Benin soldiers who decided to stay back and settle on that land because they couldn't accomplish the task assigned to them by the oba of Benin.[/s]

TRASH pulled out from your anus as usual.

Aworis are the founders of Lagos. Lagos account says this. Even the fraudulent Benin account admits this. I’m not sure what your version is. Your anus’s version I guess.

This was far before the Benin Kingdom established the land and named it Eko. If you want me to school you more on this kindly ask.

Well, if wishes were horses Binis would ride.

Lagos island (NOT even Lagos itself) was established by the owners of all Lagos— Awori-Yoruba.

And it was also named as Eko by the Yorubas.

I have given you references for each of these two lines of statement.

And the references I gave are decades/century earlier than the latter-day Benin version which you’ve been fed from childhood.

I would have expected any free-born who is not a slave to bury his head in those materials and learn rather than argue blindly like a typical slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

Fezz:
Regarding bronze casting, you should be aware that a lot of Benin historian books where not published because their stories did not conform to the south westerners ideology.

Why most the south westerners be an excuse? And where did you get this crap of a pleading excuse from.

Chief Jacob U. Egharevba was the only Benin historian who was ready to compromise with the Yorubas because he needed his book to be published in order to get his PhD degree. That is why he allowed the Yorubas to adjust his initial work to their own ideology.

Crappy excuse! Port harcourt press published his work especially the one that talks about sending your obas head to Ife. I guess Portharvourt wanted to give him pHD.

The Yorubas used his work to link the Benins to the Yorubas in post colonial era. Egharevba tried to make up for his initial mistakes by publishing other editions after his first book.

Oh really! Tell me more about the edition where he says Oduduwa is from Benin. Or the edition where he says bronze casting was invented by the Binis.

The Yorubas claim that Ighueghae was asked to come to Benin kingdom to teach the Benins the act of bronze casting. The first thing you should ask yourself is does Ighueghae sound like an Ife name? What is the meaning of Ighueghae in Ife?

You Binis are so irredeemably dumb.

No Yoruba gave any name to any messenger sent to Benin to teach you people.

It was your own daddies and mommies who said that. That is your account. It is not my fault that you have zero clue what your traditional account says.

Let me tell you his true origin and his family tree is well known in Benin which you can't say the same in Ife. If you can then tell me all about his family and ancestral lineage if he was that important to you

About who? I’m about to stone you. Lol.

Go to Igun street with machine guns and kill them all for the sins committed by their fore-father who told Europeans that a certain IguIgha from Ife taught Binis bronze casting.

Ighueghae was the son of ezohe, a descendant of ighido who was an ogiso during the ogiso odionwere era from Igun.

Well, your forefathers disagree with you. They have given the traditional account. And the ink has dried up. And the account from you fathers said a certain IgueIgha was sent from Ife to Benin to teach Benin bronze casting. Channel your energy accordingly. Hold your forebears accountable. Summon their spirit for questioning.

Uptil today Igun street is well recognised by unicef for their tremendous skill in bronze casting.

Oh What a news! I didn’t know that. Now I know /s

Tell me the location in Ife where bronze casting was practiced because there should be evidence that such a place existed if the Yorubas were so good in bronze casting just as Igun street exists today in Benin.

Many, but I’d name some: Obalaara land, Ogunladin grove, Olokun grove, etc. Ife stopped bronze casting around the late 1400s or a little later.

Attached below is a well-annotated picture from S. P Blier (2015), p. 88. showing one of the last families who still carried on the tradition up to the last century.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13442211_4eb307ff75474630ad2d76c96f27be75_jpeg_jpega5b0dbedf2da7dfd560eff046b407c3f

I'm going on a tour to Ife very soon to discover these things by myself and I suggest you go to Benin to discover true history for yourself as well if you truly seek for the truth. Cheers!

Lol. A fair way of consoling yourself. I shall not be tracked down by any Benin murderer. I don’t live in Nigeria by the way.

BiniSupremacist:
Csn you give me the proper referencing to this your ereko author Hmm... Lemme check something

Can you show me an evidence that your kingdom is called Benin?

BiniSupremacist:
[s]Again do you read what you undeline it clearly stated that the benin tradition of the origin of lagos as a camp is a fact Then it went ahead to tell you that particular female author never attempted to deniel this fact[/s]

The female author is Jungwith, and she is being quoted by the author of the paper you screenshoted.

And the author you screenshoted proceeds to debunk Jungwirth for undue simplification as she ignores the internal contradiction in the Benin account.

The author you screenshoted also debunks her as well as for being ignorant of the Lagos account (earlier than the Binis) which already refutes any future falsehood such as the Benins account.

English is surely a hard language for Edos.

[s]Are you also also my quote was doctored by me..... If you make me find d pdf and send a screenshot would you agree to aend me 200 dollars to compensate my time[/s]

HUNGRY POOR FABRICATOR!

Anyways find someone around who knows English and Edo, and ask them to read the attachment below in Edo language. That should help.

Fezz:
[s]Oko is farm land in yoruba and not Eko. Eko is am indigenous Benin name and we don't need to break it down just as you did for Ereko blah blah.. Anytime a Yoruba man starts breaking down words to fit into their ideology just know their intent is to fabricate. [/s]

(1) And there is finally an appollo epidemic in Benin because there is no “oko” anywhere in my comment. You are clearly under pressure to reply at all cost whether it makes sense or not.

(2) The name “Ereko” is starring hard at you as used for Lagos in that picture, yet you chose insanity because you mean to hide tears.

(3) Yes “Eko” entered into Benin lexicon only after you encountered the word in Lagos in the 1500s/1600s.

UGBE634:
[s]I never said they were very recent I only said it is used by one who is alive at the moment, or in the case of the Edaiken, the first son in waiting. I am vast on bini history and won't make such a comment. I am sincerely not dull like you, your comprehensive ability is so low[/s]

“... it is used by one who is alive at the moment.” So what?

Of course l’m not discussing corpses. I’m discussing living souls —some of whom are the king’s slave (the general Bini populace), and those who are noblemen with honorific titles of nobility (e.g. the king’s family members).

BiniSupremacist:
[s]_{Robert Smith
University of Lagos
the great lagoon1 which stretches some eighty miles to the east of Lagos (where
a channel enters the sea) has long provided a livelihood for the Awori and Ijebu
fishermen whose villages cluster on its shores and a highway for trade, warfare
and conquest. The Lagos and Ijebu kingdoms maintained fleets of war canoes
on its shallow waters, and it was by this route that the armies of Benin travelled
to establish in the sixteenth or seventeenth century a still-reigning dynasty at
Lagos. Westward, a river and lagoon system formed a sheltered waterway to
Badagry, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries the terminus of the
trade road from the inland kingdom of Oyo, and thence beyond Yoru}
Robert smith(1969)[/s]

Three quick points:

(1) The statement you quoted here is made-up and spurious because it is not present anywhere within the pages of Robert Smith (1969).

(2) In fact, 1969 is a date which comes after Egharevba had published Benin’s version and redaction in the 1950s.

There exists account of Lagos history (The Lagos-Yoruba account) which are many, many decades earlier than the Egharevba’s Benin account.

The Lagos account speaks of a regular immigration of Binis to Lagos [as well as other groups], and a permission to land was given to them on the island, [just as it was given to other groups]

The Lagos account speaks of the reigning dynasty of Lagos (the Eleko dynasty) has having been founded by a Yoruba progenitor who goes by the name Ashipa. However, the same account mentions the maternal Benin connection through Ashipa’s wife.

(3) If the 1950s Benin account was the earlier, then Binis may possibly have a case. However, they have no case for being too late. Their redaction (though popular) can not overturn the early account of the people.

And your attachment (which I would reattach here) quote shows that the Yoruba account of Lagos is at odds with the Benin self consoling (self contradictory) of a latter date.

Fezz:
You made mention of the name "eko" existed before the Benins came to the land (can I see a documented proof to back your claims).

I referenced ythe work right beside the statement. You need to make the habit of reading what you wish to reply to before typing replies.

And the work is decades earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

You also said the yorubas named the land "Eko".

No, I didn’t merely say it. I referenced the work which said it. Read what you want to reply to before replying. It makes you appear less dumb.

And the work is more than a 100 years earlier than Egharevba’s work which came to feed you all with a contrary information.

Point of correction, the name Eko existed since the 15th century

Perhaps! Proof if you want to press on this.

and the entity "Yoruba" was established in the 19th century,sorry but your story doesn't add up. Simply put, the word Yoruba didn't exist is the 15th or 16th century. You just shot yourself on the foot.

Oh really?? The word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century?? Hmm! Please tell me more. Lol.

No the word “Yoruba” didn’t begin in the 19th century. There is a whole lot of overhaul I need to make you go through.

I have debunked the false idea that the word “Yoruba” began in the 19th century with classical manuscripts (from centuries earlier) which shows that the word “Yoruba” has been in existence (for our ethnic group) since the pre-1600s. Refer to page 41 of this thread.

However, your argument here is actually meaningless to begin with (even if I didn’t debunk it as I just did).

The people called Yoruba exist prior to any name they call themselves. [Wrap your head around that before proceeding].

Hence they came up with their local name for Lagos island before any foreign group immigrated to the island.

To start with, are you an awori,

Yes, and what if I’m a Russian?

because it makes no sense arguing facts with you if you arequire not an awori because other Yoruba tribes are late immigrants into Eko.

Interesting!
So, D. M. Bondarenko (the most prolific historian of precolonial Benin in the world today) is about to have his scholarship revoked from him by a certain random inconsequential faceless Nairalanders called @Fezz.

Why? Because Bondarenko is not a slave of the Oba of Benin like him. Wonderful!

My question is this, what does Eko mean in Yoruba.

‘Eko’ (a contraction of ‘Ereko’ a name used till date on the island) is a district used mainly for agriculture and owned by a neighboring town or city. In short — it means an agro-colony.

The attached old annotated photograph of Lagos shown below testifies to this name — and it is still in use till date.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13440434_16e3817039284fed8641d1469747ba9e_jpeg_jpegdd1b42570f66eb5d5b16b3cd3f9247ac

As regards to Oduduwa growing up in oke-ora, I have nothing to say to you until you show me any pre-colonial document that shows he grew up in oke-ora.

No there isn’t any pReCoLoNiAL documentation of this indigenous Ife (Yoruba) account. And why should there be by the way? I’m all ears.

Anyways to educate you some more, the vast majority of the traditional conservatives of the period were not literate, while the literate ones were not traditionalist conservative.

All effort of the religious literate were directed towards following the Oduduwa narrative which originated from Hausaland.

Sultan M. Bello (in 1812) reasoned apparently that Oduduwa’s descendants are so great that he himself could not possibly have had his roots from the blacks of the West African forest.

But such narrative is originally alien to the Yorubas, but it held sway among the elite/religious for a long time until recourse was made to documenting the traditional historical narrative of Oduduwa’s roots into writing in the mid/late 1900s.

Who mentioned Pa Idu migrating from anywhere?. He is the first indigin of the land.

Oh really? Pa Idu didn’t migrate from anywhere to Edo State because he is the first indigene. Interesting!

Wait! He dropped from the sky to become the first indigene, or he grew out from the ground to be the first indigene? Which do you go with?

Whichever version you choose (sky descent or growth from the ground), “sHow mE aNy pRe-CoLoNiAl dOcUmEnT tHat” supports your choice.

nisai:
Tao12, that woman in the first image I posted depicts you giving lessons and lashes to Kingokon, the dumb big for nothing slow agbaya carrying bag pack, wailing like a pig.

LMAO!

I’m about to begin the flogging for today. I’m gathering my belt, fan-belt, koboko, wire, pankere, atori, ashupe, etc.

Refutation class is about to begin.

All Benin dullards must be seated by 10:30 AM (Nigeria Time)

No one would be allowed to come in once I begin.

Start getting seated now.

Thank you.

Cc: gregyboy (aka Edeyoung aka BiniSupremacist).

Cc: KingOKON (aka Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ)

Cc: Fezz (the Oba’s slave-in-chief)

Cc: UGBE634 (the Oba’s rag)

UGBE634:
[s]There is nothing to prove there as you are certainly not capable of intelligence, the iyoba title was given to esigie's mother because she was alive at that time, the present monarch was once an Edaiken n'uselu in waiting for the throne of Benin but he is now the king and his first son would be the next Edaiken n'uselu in waiting for the stool. the title of the oloi is for one who is alive. just the way oba eredieuwa was once an oba but he is no more, ewuare is the king now, the same with the oloi, I won't expect you to understand because you have an IQ smaller than that of a mosquito[/s]

No!

When you make a claim you have a burden to prove it.

You have a special title — Oba’s slave.

The Oba’s family have honorific titles instead.

You have claimed that these honorific titles were very, very recent.

This is your claim which you must prove.

You and parents are the Oba’s slave.

While his family members are nobles.

UGBE634:
[s]you know I am no longer surprised,the yorubas are not Wait are you saying AreaFada2 is a slave of the Oba of Benin? capable of intelligence,the Oba's mother title is meant for the living the title of iyoba was giving to iyesigie because she was alive as at that time. the same with the title of the edaiken of uselu it is the present reigning monarch son that bears the title in waiting for the throne and when he assumes the throne all the other sons becomes larger part of the Edo society. Then I ask, where do you draw the line slowpoke!. I sincerely don't expect an answer from one whose tribe is associated with slavery.your brain is sincerely under your feet[/s]

I don’t care what your AreaFada2 is? What is AreaFada2? Is that the name of a beer? From the name I think he is a slave of the Oba?

Anyways, you didn’t prove your claim that Ediaken, Iyoba, and Oloi only began for the recent monarch. That is your claim which you must prove.

I have demonstrated that Iyoba for example is a title from centuries ago this debunking your rubbish claim that the title started ‘yesterday’

The Oba’s family members are NOT his slaves. It is you and your parents, etc. who are his slaves.

UGBE634:
[s]That is why I am still insisting you are a slowpoke, it is only the recent reigning monarch the wives and the first son that bears those titles, what about the late Oba with several sons what about those that descended from ozolua and are normal citizens of Benin today what about the brothers and descendants of Osewende, what about the descendant and brothers of Adolo. all greet UMOGUN as their Oriki! where will you now draw the line! not just the reigning monarch. all the descendant of eweka till date greet UMOGUN as their Oriki where will you draw the line [/s]

You’ve now made a claim that it is only during the reign or the recent reigning Oba use these homorific titles. Please substantiate your claim. Thanks!

Yes, I am aware that your claim is a made-up one which you will be unable to substantiate.

But to outrightly debunk you on it (because you can’t even substantiate falsehood); Iyoba Idia is Esigie’s mother. She lived in the 1400s/1500s.

In conclusion, only you general populace use the title “king’s slave”. His family members have honorific titles reserved for them.

UGBE634:
I said we, comprehension is a problem for you, what I meant by we was all Benins which the Oba's family is a part of

You agree that you and your family members are slaves of the Oba of Bini, but you sha want to pack everyone to join yourself.

Wait are you saying AreaFada2 is a slave of the Oba of Benin? That’s a wonderful revelation by the way.

Well, not all of you are his slaves though. His family members are not.

While you common folks have the title: “Oba’s slave”; his family members have honorific titles reserved for them, such as: “Iyoba,” “Oloi,” “Ediken,” etc.

UGBE634:
That is your opinion and sincerely it's not tenable in Benin, there is no discrimination here in Benin that is the opinion of one person in ogbomosho, and would certainlynot affect the state of things on ground. that is why I asked you where would you now draw the line. Areafada2 is from that family and he is defending the Benin cause just like everyone else. When I said what I said ,what I explained to you was what I had in mind, what so ever you thought out of it it is sincerely yours and yours alone. the Oba family meant families in Benin too

Your words (in the attachment below) are your words — NOT MINE. Can’t you recognize your own moniker again?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13418191_e37bd2bd39ce4b1381db4f1661c9e5c4_jpeg_jpegd986dd1f1941145a70112a10d6b7b2e1

Read your own words in that attachment, slowly this time around.

UGBE634:
[s]She clearly had some level of control especially with the act of recognizing king from that end don't y think so[/s]

No! There is familial relationship (through Ado’s mother), as well as political relationship initiated with the Yoruba progenitor, Ashipa.

History is NOT imagined. Help your self by reading one peer-review article on Benin history which is published in a world-renowned academic journal.

Stop being scared whenever you encounter the word “read”

UGBE634:
[s]You must be an idiot,the Umogun family is so large now, where would you now draw the line, Areafada2 is from that family, would you say he is a slave,and he has a moniker here, when I said that we are all slaves, I meant his family included in respect to him. the family will also shout Oba GHA to kpere just like every other family would. The Benin family system is such that every family was seen as having emerged from a 'uniquely' great ancestor who did his part in making sure the Benin kingdom cum empire survives. Ologbosere who was tried and killed is from the LA-OKUN family and anyone from that family who greets his oriki in the morning would be revered with praise from his ancestors in such a way that he will be happy and will believe that his family has a stake in Benin just like every other family having done his bit to ensure the survival of Benin kingdom. the same thing with the Ezomo n'uzebu family who their patriarch was the commander in chief of the armed forces. the same thing with Obaseki who their patriarch was also once the prime minister of Benin kingdom. The Benin family system is seen in such a way that every family is important and without the support of each family patriarch, the Benin kingdom cum empire which once was would not have been possible.[/s]

Oga please argue with your comment as attached below.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13418191_e37bd2bd39ce4b1381db4f1661c9e5c4_jpeg_jpegd986dd1f1941145a70112a10d6b7b2e1

Only the Oba’s line from Ife are exempted from being regarded as “Oba’s slave”. Others are all sufayo — “king’s slave”.

UGBE634:
https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/I said village 284 , 308, and 491 were named eko with their prefix, what would you say about that, and they are clearly not recent communities especially with the overlord role Benin played in Lagos up till independence

Yes Binis encountered the name Eko in Lagos island when they immigrated there in the late 1500s.

So what if Benin named some community after a word which became part of their lexicon in the 1500/1600.

Did you not see this part of my comment earlier, or did you selectively ignore it as is to be expected?

Moreover, what do you mean by Benin played overlord role in Lagos up until independence? Do you want to be more specific?

Did you mean that Lagos was conquered? Or did you mean that the royal house of Lagos is a line paternally descended from Benin? Or did you mean that Lagos was apparently fulfilling its part of an early agreement?

UGBE634:
We are not, his family is not the wealthiest in Benin, neither is his family with the most reach but we just believe we should respect him. he did not force us neither can he,there are men who have gone against him in time past and did not die. you can't get this level of respect anywhere FORCEFULLY.

I usually don’t like doing this, I’m only doing it because you brought it up. So bear with me.

(1) Your people were sold by the Yorubas. Evidence of this appears in the testimony of your people to Dr. R. E. Bradbury during his ethnographic survey of Benin kingdom.

(2) Benins being slaves of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the present-day wealthiest family. It is about the traditional custom. And you have once admitted this.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13418191_e37bd2bd39ce4b1381db4f1661c9e5c4_jpeg_jpegd986dd1f1941145a70112a10d6b7b2e1

Moreover I have an eyewitness account which testified that the general Benin populace are slaves of the Oba of Benin, and that each person has a proud moniker, viz. “king’s slave”.

Is there any reason why you inserted your comment within mine and made it appear under my moniker? Is this a mistake?

Please modify and separate your comment from mine. If you don’t, then I’d assume you’re being a fraudulent Benin man as is to be expected by default.

UGBE634:
[s]Stop this talk, the Benin family system is one of nobility through and through, we have about seventy-four large families with over fifty oriki which every binis are descended from. You can't go and tell Obaseki family with over a hundred thousand members that his family is inferior to the Oba's family and you will leave his house alive, or is it the Idahosa family which is part of the Ezomo-uzebu family which is part of the LA-OGIESAN family and you will leave his house alive, this is a man that dominated the Christian space for more than 30 years and non of your brothers came close until he died in 1998 instead they always come cap in hand to Benin city for insight, mentorship.when a bini man set out for greatness, he set out for greatness completely. don't glory so much in that line I can name 30 great men from Benin who has placed Benin on the map to date and NONE are from his family. I am trying to let you know that greatness is an everyday tradition in Benin. Or is it Victor Uwaifo who is from the LA-OTOSE family line[/s]

Moreover, this comment of yours doesn’t relate to anything I wrote. I think this comment wasn’t meant for me. It must be a mistake, right?

We know who the dullard is here, we are from a family of nobility, where every binis can trace his ancestor back to the earliest times not a slave line.

Yeah your people are too scared to narrate to you all the account of how the Yorubas marched on Benin kingdom, conquered natives, captured them, and sold them to the Americas.

Moreover, you all are slaves of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. So, •••

https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/ check village 284, 308 and 491. the three villages were named and these are not recent communities.

Make your self clear. You really didn’t say a thing here.

oxogbo or Ago sincerely do not make meaning to me as a Bini man

I’m glad you said it doesn’t make sense to you. It does make sense to your elders though. Ask them, and then confirm it from a Bini lexicon.

that Ereko theory must have been one of the biggest lie of the century.

I know that’s what truth feels like for most people that have been over fed with lies.

D’Avezac 1845: Yorubas named Lagos island as Eko.

Alan C. Burns 1929: Lagos island had acquired the name Eko long before immigrants came in.

Egharevba 1952: Binis named Lagos island as Eko.

A random Bini Nairalander: Yorubas are 21st century liars for saying wE BeNiNs didn't name Lagos as Eko.

Me: Binis should actually be pitied for considering basic common sense as an abomination.

By the way, the name “Ereko” is still well-known on the island till date. And the contracted form “Eko” is not only know in Lagos, but also somewhere in Osun State.

Fezz:
Hahahaha.. are you trying to say that Benins learnt bronze casting from the yorubas? You are ridiculous. Where did you get this from? Please don't let your supporters laugh at you because it's the joke of the century

Is it I who said Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No it wasn’t I.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife. And archaeological research & dating results agree with this Benin tradition.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of science and your own traditional account.

I once asked you to mention the name the awories called Lagos before the Benins established the land and named it Eko, but you have stylishly avoided that question.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease?

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].

I am still waiting for you to give me the name of the community Oduduwa grew up. We want to know the compound he grew up . Don't tell me it is a hilly place blah blah blah, or that it is the same community as the ooni blah blah!. Be precise and mention the name of the compound that raised Oduduwa in ile-ife. Let's see proof

I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

According to Olugbo of Ugbo it took Oduduwa 16 good years to learn ife dialect, and you are here deceiving the public that Oduduwa was born and grew up in ile-ife. I have told you before to go and find out more about your real ancestors because you are obviously lost.

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam

Fezz:
Errors in the sense of telling history as it is without fabrications. Place the Kings in their rightful positions and watch how your true history unfolds. Truth unlocks everything. Cheers!

Of Benin and Yoruba, the only ethnic group who has been unanimously called out by the historians of African history for fabrication and blatant falsehood are the Binis — vis-a-vis the Izoduwa forgery.

The Yoruba history that I have presented here (at least lately) have been in sync with the finds and conclusions of the historical scholarship of African history.

Fezz:
It is very easy to overlook your replies because 95% of observers here already know your aim.

Yes, to debunk Benin lies.

Who Binis love: Those who give them a free pass to lie without any reaction of caution or refutation.

No I am NOT one of those. Hate me.

Even when you come across authentic proof you tend to debunk them and add a little bit of sarcasm as a means of distraction.

Show one example of an AuThEnTic pRoOf from Binis that I laughed off.

There is none. Instead it is you who have been giving me excuses upon excuses as to why you are not willing to type your best argument. Yet you are willing to type your weakest argument, right?

Your sole aim is to debunk debunk and debunk.

Yes I debunk lies using facts, evidence, proof, and ratiocination.

That is why majority of people here don't see you anymore as a true historian.

Oh really? Name me one non-Benin who thinks I have not been doing a wonderful job debunking Benin lies using fact.

There is none. Not a single soul one.

Personally I believe you are on payroll and I don't blame you because this is your source of getting paid.

You are allowed to be deluded. But sha don’t go the Israel DMW route.

It's okay, but just be a little bit more realistic in your research findings and try to appreciate a bit of Benin historical achievements every once in a while. Cheers!

Yes, I appreciate the true history of Benin — such as the fact that they were able to learn bronze casting, they were able to exercise some good control over quite a number of Edo villages in addition to Benin city, etc.

But when you all come to say your Oba own land from here to Europe, and that you once ruled from Lagos to Japan, etc., that’s when I come with my factual nuclear weapons.

The solution is simple: Stop lying, or ask questions, Or do both.

Fezz:
[s]Yeaaaaahhh right!!.. tell that to the birds. Ooni is a chief priest so you can't associate him with oduduwas family which are the Ogisos . Don't get me wrong though, there is nothing wrong in being a chief priest, I liken him to being the Pope of Nigeria but you can't classify him as having the same royal blood as the Oba of Benin. I'm trying to massage your ego, hope it worked /s]

Well it is the Oba of Benin who is a priest (sorry Grand-Chief priest) as far as the overall head of Holy Arousa Cathedral is concerned. LMAO!

Oh, since he also rules Benin, then I guess he has a dual role then. Oba of Benin — a priest and a king.

Until you guys correct your past errors you can never get the truth that you seek.

You mean the errors we committed by ‘mArGiNiLiZiNg’ your folks thus leading to your decades of disgruntled feelings, and the strong grip of the minority complex syndrome which has been holding you all. Is that the errors you’re talking about? Ok, on behalf of our fathers, we say sorry for the mArGiNaLiZaTiOn.

Fezz:
Funny you .. you are talking to someone that knows his complete history and ancestory.

You actually meant to say “someone that know his Nollywood scripts”.

A so-called history that is unsubstantiated is nothing more than a SuperStory — A NollyWood script from the stables of Pete Edoche.

My advice to you is for you to know where your ancestors came from before you come on nairaland to try and debunk other people's ancestory.

I have educated you on that already. Do you have a selective seeing disease?

Let me enlighten you a bit. Ogiso Igodo didn't fall from the sky. The title simply means he has devine attributes coming directly from heaven (sky). In Benin we know ogiso Igodos ancestory and that is why I'm telling you to go and find yours .

Well! Only two received traditional Benin account exist on Igodo.

One says he came from heaven, the other says that he is an emissary sent from Ile-Ife to organize the primitive Edos into some form of supra-chiefdom.

One sounds like a romanticization of his life, the other sounds like the history of his life. Whichever you love to go with, these are Benin accounts.

The name of Ogisos father is Odudu. I can go further to tell you whom fathered Odudu if you care to learn more from me .

And his father was the first to fry dodo in the world. He invented table tenis. And ruled over the Australian Aboriginal.

I can also go on and on. In other words, when everyone choose to pull out unsubstantiated stories from their anus, anything goes and everything is fair.

Provide me with the received account of anything you want to say otherwise, you are simply typing up another Nollywood script.

Just in case you are curious to learn more about Benin ancestors go and read "great benin" by Omoregie.

The same S. B. Omoregie that first came up with the forged version of Ekaladerhan in the year 1970 or which Omoregie??

The same Omoregie who said Ekaladerhan is one and the same person as Oranmiyan or another Omoregie?

The same Omoregie who simply scratched his head and looked away when asked to cite a source or name an informant for his crappy SuperStory, or another one?

Like I said earlier, Benin is all about history and history is Benin. We don't tell stories, we create history.

Well I have only been debunking Nollywood scripts so far. You are yet to talk about history — which is evidence based accounts. Not anus retrieved stories.

Fezz:
You claim oduduwa is from oke-ora which is a big lie. Give us detailed proof to show that any compound in ile-ife has claimed oduduwa as their son.

You claimed it is a big a lie because you are about to prove how it is a lie. Go on.

While waiting for your proof. The families from which all Ooni’s descended is Oduduwa’s family, dullard. And Oke-Ora is a hilly settlement from one of the many hills surrounding the Ife bowl.

By the way, you are yet to tell us how Igodo sky-dived from the sky and crash landed at Benin city round about.

Also, you haven’t said a word about how Idu trecked all the way from Rome to Edo state. That must have been a very tiring journey. We’re waiting for the details.

Also mention who his parents are, if he truly originated from oke-ora it shouldn't be a problem for eye witnesses to tell us all about his childhood days. Just mention the compound that claims him in ile-ife as their son. I'm waiting

The names of Obatala’s parents are not given in the Ife traditional accounts. Neither are the names of any of the other early Ife dramatis personae given in Ife traditional account. Oduduwa is not the exception. He is just like others. Ife account insists, however, that he is from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ora, hence his cognomen, Osin-Ora.

Who is Mr. Idu’s daddy? How long did it take Mr. Idu to track from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he was diving from the sky to Edo state?

All these we need to know.