₦airaland Forum

Olu317:
1.If you are not sure of the date of Ekelederan's father's time of existence on earth,then how can you determine that he was Ọṣì/OdùIwá ?

2.Are you aware Igala/Akpoto was not in existence, when Yoruba ancestors fused temporarily with some Nupe/Jukun /Kwarafa to breed the present day Igala?

3.Do you have evidence to proof Igala is not a mixed breed of Yoruba and Nupe group's ?

4. What exactly is the emigration account of Ekeladeran to Igala Land ?

4. Who are Ekalederan's descendants in Igala Land ?

5. Do you have accounts that Ekalederan didn't have biological descendants in Ughoton /Gwato ?

Truthshots2:
••• The continued agression from the Oni of IFA •••

UGBE634:
if you want to reference me reference me completely you argue to win and not to say the truth this truly proves it omoale. if you were paid it shall not stand, the Edo nation is too big for your gimmick. you can see another of my brother liking and commending my post in Benin language because I am reflecting the mind of the majority

UGBE634:
[s]David van nyendeal account does not reflect the status of things on ground and the Igbos who are well traveled knows this. "Because your own na if he nor dae book he nor dae", it is either 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' Oba's child these are the words we use to refer to ourselves in Benin. The Igbos who are well traveled know this my very last reply. I shouldn't take you serious for the fact that you have not step a foot in Benin all your life. That was the sixteenth hundred, this is the 21st century wake up![/s]

UGBE634:
[s]David van nyendeal account does not reflect the status of things on ground and the Igbos who are well traveled knows this. "Because your own na if he nor dae book he nor dae", it is either 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' Oba's child these are the words we use to refer to ourselves in Benin. The Igbos who are well traveled know this my very last reply. I shouldn't take you serious for the fact that you have not step a foot in Benin all your life[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]The word used is not slave but I believe that as a slowpoke that you are you will just say things in absolutism without leaving ogbomosho to confirm, because symbrixton said so. Again know that I am not doing this for you because you are not worth it. Anyone who can go through areaFada2 post should not have a problem with identifying where he came from. The word we used to refer to ourselves in Benin is 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' meaning Oba's child. my very last reply I promise as I believe the audience does not have a low IQ like you and many of them are well traveled and have seen things for themselves, they would certainly not be swayed away by your attempt to ridicule Benin online regardless of how much you were paid. You are not the one to trace his lineage as you are a bastard yourself having descended from a slave line yourself (an omoale)we the Binis knows where he comes from just by mere looking at his post.[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]I did not do this because of you but I am doing it because of those reading. I am vindicated,Areafada2 is from the Umogun oba's line and he came through to clarify things with this comment so I am vindicated and this will certainly be my last comment to you."Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter".[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]"Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter". If you couldn't decode this person is from the Oba's family then you are irredeemable, I had to call him so he could clarify things and he came through. I am vindicated! viola!. In him we live and in him we have our being. He is just like a child you feel you must protect and take care of at all cost. That is we the Benins see our traditional institutions. It is voluntary and inherent in every Benin man because we believe the well-being of the Oba reflects the well-being of the people. this online division you feel you are creating it's not there and I know it pains you that it's not there, when you are done shouting Yoruba Oba, you can go into your inner chambers and cry miserably for been from a cursed tribe (bastard nor dae Edo)you must be able to point your father's house and trace your ancestry down to the earliest of time. It is not a tribe you come into and after twenty years you say you are from that tribe. you must be able to identify your family unit and they must also be able to identify you and your immediate ancestor. if you are a foreigner, you will a foreigner for life in Benin because it will be extremely difficult for you to miss with the locals. Our fathers left us an heritage and we are proud of it.EDORODION!! EDOIRISIAGBON!!AISOGBONRIOBA!! and lastly He is not from ife, the one you are talking about got missing in owo forest. They left us a strong identification system[/s]

nisai:
Who wouldn't run for a class where one has to receive crushing koboko on one's skull each time he/she exhibits dumbness. A default dumbo will never be happy or stay long in such class.

They are bunch of empty but egotistical and cowardly nonentities.

They know they cannot defeat you intellectually. They secretly admire you. In fact, they blame themselves for getting involve against you.

Erin nlo l'oko agbe ntaka, babanla baba tani oo fi oko p'erin?

Yoruba lagba!

Fezz:
I can't be too precise about the dates you are requesting for. It is said that Oranmiyan stayed in igodomigo around 1170 AD because archaeological work was done on his palace that was built in Uzama quarters in Usen and his palace still exists on that site till today.

Ekalederan had no descendants in Ughoton, he was still quite young when he left Ughoton. According to records, all that is mentioned is that he had followers who accompanied him from igalla land to ile-ife.

He had a wife in igalla. According to records he had only one child called okanbi and i cant say if akanbi was born in igalla land. I'm sure you are aware of all the names of his grand children.

nisai:
Erukeru abi lala lenu.

Tao11, seems this your student will never succeed in history. you should register him as an apprentice under Miyetti Allah. Trekking with cows from sokoto to Edo should make him much more useful to his Edo community than the disservice he is doing to the Oba and the community here.

AreaFada2:
My brother, that she-male called TUEH or whatever is his name. He is a Yaba Left character, highly irrational and suffers from severe delusion of grandeur.
Don't waste your precious time with him except to[/s]

post for rational but silent readers.

Benin Empire was a highly meritocratic society.

Artisans who distinguished themselves in war (or other endeavours important to the nation) were even elevated to nobility rank. Examples include Evian who became the interregnum administrator, Ode, who became Iyase Ode, Ogbeide Oyoo (from Anioma) for whom Oba Ovonramwen created the title Obaseki and rising to Iyase (Prime Minister) under the British.

Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter.

@ Davidnazee, Benin do not call it oriki per say but Benin being very open people

who expanded East and West, only normal that we know other people far better.

In Benin each family has praise name (uwanmwen) depending on ancestral line.
Ogiso descendants-Delaiso
Eweka I descendants-Lamogun
Oliha Descendants-Laogele
Iyase Descendants-Lavbieze. Iyase is non-hereditary prime minister and changes salutation to lavbieze if not lavbieze before appointment. His descendants do so henceforth. So Lavbieze greeters may not be all related.

UGBE634:
he said selfish was interpreted as selling the fish •••

[s]and that did not tell you that he is not worthy enough to be a middlemen as he could pass wrong words with different meanings to both side. they were not schooled enough to act as middlemen that was his point.[/s] if I may ask you what changed why did he go against his father's story being the educated mind that he is

UGBE634:
He certainly was interpreting from English to bini but your dumb brain won't know those were the meanings he interpreted

UGBE634:
[s]those where not my point, the oba is educated I believe he knows what he is sayinggo

and listen to his speech during the cetennial anniversary of British expedition in 1897, he gave two instances of where two interpreters made mistakes of interpreting words, the first 'selfish' as the act of selling fish. and another interpreted resign which sounds as "rri sanhen'' which means taking the key in benin as early as 1937

Fezz:
[s]You lay out your points like a small kid whom is full of hate and despair. I already know your true motive, you are not hear to seek truth and share knowledge, you were sent here to debunk and devalue the Benin history. I'm here for another reason, which is to share knowledge and to learn. We are obviously not on the same page so don't expect me to reply any of your messages henceforth because it is obviously a waste of time and energy. Ciao[/s]!

UGBE634:
[s]Those were some of the reasons he gave if you have read his book you would know, I am not the one who gave those reasons, kinda connecting his two root kinda thingy[/s]

go and listen to his speech during the cetennial anniversary of British expedition in 1897, he gave two instances of where an interpreter made a mistake of interpreting the world 'selfish' as the act of selling fish. and another interpreted resign which sounds as "rri sanhen'' which means taking the key in benin

UGBE634:
he also said chief egharevba could have been biased because he is maternally Yoruba hear him out first, look for time and read his book

UGBE634:
And I explained what I meant by that thoroughly but you still choose to be a dumbhead

UGBE634:
Go and read his book

the interpreters who interpreted for his father could not even interpret properly

so what do you mean even as late as 1937 then you want me me to believe your nonsense and forgery[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]Your father must have been deported to Nigeria in the 1920 and his brain must have been tormented and this has thus affected your IQ range. you have dead brain cells and you are sincerely irredeemable.after all my explanations you still choose to remain deaf, it shows to me you are super demented[/s]

UGBE634:
you can believe his ancestors for all you can but I will believe a man who is just 24 years younger than his father and he is far more educated

UGBE634:
[s]shut up you fool, what did you refute there, that I tried telling we don't associate the way you associate in your slowpoke tribe. have I done what is not right. as a subhan that you are I know understanding is hard for you that is why I had to send it over and over so it can be easy. This was some of the reasons I called your betters by far to come and educate you[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]This is a man and his line, he said this is where he came from, should I start arguing his origin that he is from ogbomosho. I believe he is lenient enough to know where he came from. if he disagreed with his father, he must have seen that there are some shortfall in the father's story. As an educated mind, he decided to correct[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]No it is so that you learn the original intent of the post,which you don't seem to learn because you are an Amala eater and a subhuman that is why I was calling your better's to come and lecture you as you are from a slave tribe and you are certainly demented having descended from a slave whose brain was tormented.[/s]

UGBE634:
I believe Eredieuwa who was born in 1923 should know better about his line than you a slimy bastard from oshogbo. besides he is far more educated than any of his ancestors with a first degree and masters in law from Cambridge University. And with education you know can't be easily deceived I will take his account over his ancestors

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid it has not � debunked leave your offa village and seek civilization and knowledge[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]:PEweka 2 is a human, he is prone to mistakes :PEweka 2 is a human, he is prone to mistakes his descendants don't agree with you though[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]stop talking from yewa local government your people are so irredeemable and dumb leave your hut travel and see how things are done, you have read so much about slavery in consonance with your tribe and you want to associate same with the Binis it is not so we are a noble people ask your better's in Nigeria how it done. in this case the igbos, they would know because they know traveling is a type/part of education. Call Igboid for lectures now so you won't think I am not giving what is on ground you clown. cc:igboid it has not � debunked leave your offa village and seek civilization and knowledge[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]The Oba of Benin is bigger than the ooni of ife, the Alaafin of oyo, and the oba of lagos. If the Alaafin of Oyo comes to Benin he is a slave of the Benin oba of Benin whose surname is AISOKUOBA IGBINOGHODUA[/s]