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Softmirror:
The first TV station was by a Yoruba man . This statistics only shows that Yorubas have seen it all. TV no too impress Yoruba people like the people of South East wey carry Television for head like gala.

By your foolish thinking, no one in the US will have TVs. The first TV station in the US started broadcasting in 1928

YesDaddyTill203:
Fake made-up statistics. The TVs in Lagos are more than the whole of the SE.
This is a rubbish made-up statistics that lack basic common sense.

Let DSTV show the number os subscription in each region. That alone will give you and insight. I bet Lagos alone has more than the whole SE combined.

Were you taught percentage and proportion in school?

AntiChristian:
Let me break your back now!

Paul says:
Elders who lead effectively are worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and, “The worker is worthy of his wages.” (1 Timothy 5:17-18)

Which scripture was Paul quoting that includes the worker is worthy of his wages?

Boss I showed you other verses in the very same chapter and even from other letters of Paul. It is so clear that paul was not in support of wages for preaching.
Now compare the word of Paul to that of Jesus Christ.
Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
And
Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and, “The worker is worthy of his wages.
Both are basically saying the same thing

AntiChristian:
Summary of Key Points
1. Paul's Rights as an Apostle:
Paul asserts that he has the right to be financially supported by the churches he serves (1 Corinthians 9:3-14).
He uses examples from the Old Testament and the practices of other apostles to reinforce his point.

2. Willingness to Forego Rights:
Despite having the right to receive wages, Paul chooses to forgo this right to avoid hindering the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:15-18).
He emphasizes that his primary goal is to spread the gospel freely, showing his dedication and love for the message.

3. Becoming All Things to All People:
Paul explains his strategy of becoming "all things to all people" in order to win some to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:19-23).
This demonstrates his adaptability and commitment to reaching diverse audiences.

Conclusion
In summary, 1 Corinthians 9 does not forbid collecting wages for preaching the gospel; rather, it highlights the balance between rights and responsibilities. Paul argues for the right to receive support but exemplifies the selfless attitude of prioritizing the gospel over personal gain.

Hope you can digest this fully!

If you check Luke you will see that Luke will support Paul in this matter somehow!

What Jesus taught was that collecting wages is not a right!

Again you are wrong. Paul's argument was simple. He was comparing the priests of old to himself an apostle of Jesus Christ.
If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
The Priests in the old testament are different from the apostles of Jesus Christ that's Paul's message there.

AntiChristian:
What sense do you want?
The sense that when Jesus says something you always see more to it than what it is!

What is the name "I am that i am" or "I am"?

What does Ego Eimi truly mean?

Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, translated most basically as "I am that I am" or "I shall be what I am". In the Hebrew Bible (Exodus 3:14), it is the personal name of God, revealed directly to Moses.

The Bible teaches? Who is the one teaching if not Paul? Luke was Paul's student/companion so he wrote what he learnt from Paul. The scripture that is inspired is definitely not the Bible!
When you say a student and companion of Paul, you mean he is also a Christian hence a follower of Jesus Christ right?

Okay, How do you resolve errors from the four gospels in what they narrate differently? Example is the case of the criminals crucified with Jesus. Mathew and Mark says both abused Jesus. Luke said one abused the other believed in Jesus. John didn't even see the event all but narrates how Jesus handed over his mum to John?
In all the very little differences, they all teach the same message and principles. Even if this were a court of law, witnesses with up to 90% similarities in their stories are credible enough.
Also, the bible had been through a lot in it's thousands of years history. That it is still able to reflect the message of Jesus Christ is a miracle in itself. Get tens of men span over thousands of years and places to write a book and let's see 5he outcome.

Paul came to correct and amend the Gospel. Without Paul's letters there's no Christianity. That's why you must quote Paul. Paul was not even a Christian when Jesu Christ said the following. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


No one knows the intention of God but we know God revealed the Torah to Moses and Psalms to David. It is clear Jesus was not even aware that his biography would be compiled decades after he left the world as Scripture!

Give your proof he was inspired to write! Nobody was mentioned as a Christian until Paul came with his boy Luke!
How do you know it was God that revealed the Psalms to David. My proof is that all scripture are given by God.


It makes no sense as it was not written when he was alive. Jesus taught people to make heaven! Why can't what he taught be written during his lifetime? It took from 30-100 years after he left for people to come up with what you call New testament now!
So you big point is, if a book about you is written after your time on earth, it makes no sense right. Ok, I can't agree with such logic. And I know that if not for the sake of argument, even you will disagree with yourself.

AntiChristian:
What language scholars do you need for this simple matter?

At this, his neighbors and those who had formerly seen him begging began to ask, “Isn’t this the man who used to sit and beg?” Some claimed that he was, but others said, “No, he just looks like him.” But the man kept saying, “I am the one". “How then were your eyes opened?” they asked. He answered, “The man they call Jesus made some mud and anointed my eyes, and He told me to go to Siloam and wash. So I went and washed and received my sight.” “Where is He?” they asked. “I do not know,” he answered. John 9:8-11

See the man Jesus healed. He said "Ego Eimi" too and it was translated as "I am the one".

Is he same as your God in Exodus too?

Paul said the same too below:

Acts 26:29 - “Short time or long,” Paul replied, “I wish to God that not only you but all who hear me this day may become what I am, except for these chains.”

Is he same as your God in Exodus too?

Now this your argument is not making sense because "I Am" was not used in the same sense in the verses you quoted.
In Exodus and Joh 8, it was clearly used as a name.
Please see the difference

Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
And in John 8
Before Abraham was, I am.
Is it not so clear that the words are not used in the same context as in the verses you quoted?

AntiChristian:
He asked for payment. What does this three verses mean?

Paul says:
Elders who lead effectively are worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and, “The worker is worthy of his wages.” (1 Timothy 5:17-18)


Paul says in another verse:
If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much for us to reap a material harvest from you? (1 Corinthians 9 :11)

A few things I told you to read the entire 1 cor 9
Just the very next verse
If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ
Paul was indeed preaching against wages for the gospel and not in support of it.

[quote author=AntiChristian post=131745581]Give us the proof? Did Luke say they were inspired? Or he forgot! Paul had to help him later?
No specific writer in the bible wrote that he was inspired but the bible teaches that all scripture is inspired.

So the word you received from eyewitness is what the holy Spirit inspired? So why is the Holy Spirit Inspiration not perfect? If Matthew was perfect then there should be no need for Mark, Luke and John? Except that each were essentially different in many themes!

That's a lame excuse. Jesus Christ taught that in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses would all truth be established. All these books are witnesses. That more than one person wrote does not show imperfections. Please explain your question better.

Paul's letter to his congregation in Corinth to the rescue! Where did Jesus infer anything about the New testament?
I am not understanding you please explain.


Of course! All of the writers of the new testament were just writing their letters to some people. It was never intended to be in a book called Bible. now you are saying the Holy spirit was involved in an unplanned writing!
Yes you have a small point there. The writers never intended for a complied book but who told you that God never intended for that.



How was Luke a follower of Jesus?
Show us where Luke was entitled to the spirit?
I am not talking of the old testament Prophets but your new testament!
You mean he was not a Christian? Now are we just trying to be funny?

Jesus was aware of the Old testament but not of your new! The Book of John came later close to 100 years after Jesus!
Jesus Christ is aware of all. He is the author and finisher of our faith. And yes the new testament had to come after him because it was a record of his life and the works of his Apostles. It makes no sense if the new testament was written before his coming.

AntiChristian:
Is this your proof?

You are a novice!
I have passed this stage.

Go and check the Greek and Hebrew translation that was translated as "I am that i am"

"Ego eimi" is the term and It is present in many verses!

John 9:9 - Some claimed that he was, but others said, “No, he just looks like him.” But the man kept saying, “I am the one.”

Acts 26:29 - “Short time or long,” Paul replied, “I wish to God that not only you but all who hear me this day may become what I am, except for these chains.”

Mark 13:6 - Many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many.

Luke 21:8 - Jesus answered, “See to it that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

John 18:5 - “Jesus of Nazareth,” they answered. Jesus said, “I am He.” And Judas His betrayer was standing there with them.

John 18:6 - When Jesus said, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground

John 18:8 - “I told you that I am He,” Jesus replied. “So if you are looking for Me, let these men go.”

Matthew 14:27 - But Jesus spoke up at once: “Take courage! It is I. Do not be afraid.”

Mark 6:50 - because they all saw him and were terrified. Immediately he spoke to them and said, “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”

John 6:20 - But he said to them, “It is I; don’t be afraid.”

John 8:24 - That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:28 - So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me.

So you can see how "Ego eimi" or "Eimi ego" has been translated throughout the Bible. Are they all referring to God?

Actually I have checked all these and language scholars differ. I can link you to a number of scholastic works that are on my side of the argument. Do you want us to do this?

AntiChristian:
All these does not mean he didn't ask for payment now?

Someone asking for wages for his work is not regarded as being covetous!

And of course he is preaching freely without hindrance!

Actually all this means he is not asking for payment. He clearly states it. And on the contrary, there were many hindrance to his preaching including imprisonment. He was clearly talking about payment. Please read the verses again.
It clearly states, we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

AntiChristian:
No, i didn't realize! Jesus was never mentioned anywhere therein so how is it Jesus?

You need to prove this first?



What is the context of Isaiah 28:10? It doesn't even mean what you are giving it.

Jesus was nowhere in the Old testament!

Ok let me prove it to you and I guess this would convince you.
Just 2 verses, one from the old and another from the new.

Exodus 3:14
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

John 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Jesus Christ was 5he one who appeared to Moses and introduced himself as I Am.

As for Isaiah 28.10, why don't we just read from verse 9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Is it now clear to you.
You don't expect God to give you all the knowledge at once or from one book.

AntiChristian:
Jesus says:
As you go, preach this message: ‘ The kingdom of heaven is near.’ 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.” (Matthew 10: 7- 8 )

Jesus simply forbids collecting wages for preaching the Gospel!

Paul says:
Elders who lead effectively are worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. 18For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,” and, “The worker is worthy of his wages.” (1 Timothy 5:17-18)

Paul says in another verse:
If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much for us to reap a material harvest from you? (1 Corinthians 9 :11)

Paul's own is to collect them wages, harvest, money, Kudi, ego,... !!!

To pay wages or not to pay?

Sir you clearly do not understand what Paul was saying.
Please read the entire chapter (1 cor 9). Reading one or 2 verses out of context will not help you here. Paul was clearly against wages in exchange of the gospel.
Also read,
Acts 20:33-34

33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.

34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

2 Corinthians 11:7

7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

1 Thessalonians 2:9

9 For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

Again, I commend you, you always ask the right questions.

AntiChristian:
So those who didn't believe in him or even know him will be saved by his death!

Can we get a verse that proves this from the old testament?

1. Isaiah 43:11 I, yes I, am YHWH, and there is no Savior but Me.


2. Exodus 34:6-7
God describes Himself as merciful and forgiving, showing love to thousands while forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin.

3.Numbers 14:18-19
Moses appeals to God’s mercy, and God forgives the Israelites despite their rebellion, demonstrating His willingness to pardon.

4. Psalm 103:10-12
This passage speaks of God's forgiveness, stating He does not deal with us according to our sins and removes our transgressions from us.

5. Isaiah 1:18
God invites the people to reason with Him, promising that though their sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow, indicating forgiveness.

6. Jeremiah 31:34
God promises a new covenant where He will forgive their iniquity and remember their sins no more, highlighting His willingness to forgive.

But you realize that it was Jesus Christ that was speaking in all those verses you quoted right?
That's enough evidence.
Jesus Christ is the Jehovah of the old testament.
Everyone of these people from the verses you quoted above were forgiven through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Even before his physical death, Jesus Christ sacrifice was already in force. Hence he is the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.
If you are asking how people in the past can be blessed by an event is the future, my answer will be that God is the creator of time and his blessings know no boundaries.
Again, asking me to prove something from the old testament doesn't really make sense. You can't dictate for God in which book he should reveal a certain truth. He chose to reveal some truths in the old testament and other truths in the new testament. You shouldn't have a problem with that.
Isaiah explained how God reveals his truth. It's here a little and there a little so don't expect all truths in the old testament or all in the new testament.
Isaiah 28:10

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Where’s the prove he was inspired when he clearly said he was just writing as others wrote theirs?
So if he was just writing as others wrote, does it mean he was not inspired. They all were inspired.

He said it was handed down to them by eyewitness. Is eyewitness inspiration?
Every christian receives the word from witnesses but the confirmation we get comes from the spirit of God. Therein lies our inspiration.
I learnt about Jesus Christ from the witnesses in the bible but it was the inspiration of the Holy Ghost that led me to him.
2 Corinthians 3:6

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


Was Luke aware he was writing the scripture to be included in the Bible? Do you think any of those who wrote the Books of the Bible were aware their books would be included in the book called Bible?
I don't know and it's actually not important.

Luke was writing to a Theophilus. Luke was a historian writing to a specific audience! So where is Holy spirit involved? Why was a Book written to one Theophilus included in your scripture?
Luke was a follower of Jesus Christ. Entitled to the Spirit. Therein lies the inspiration.
Many prophets in the old testament were also historians. It doesn't mean they were not called of God.

AntiChristian:
You didn't answer anything at all!



If people were forgiven without death or blood then of what importance is the Blood?

The crucified criminal in Luke was also forgiven. Jesus wasn't dead yet.

So i guess the blood atonement was useless and needless!

But I already answered you that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ had power to save those who died before him and also those after him. That's why he is called the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world.
The power of his sacrifice is not bound by time.
Everyone that ever received forgiveness from God received it because of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Have I answered your question now?

casualobserver:
like i said utilise your data for discussions about BBN this thing is above your pay grade.

You are a child who refuses to learn. Keep insulting your parents.

casualobserver:
You clearly do not know what caused the 2008 financial crisis so I was correct in my assessment of you as a financial illiterate.


The 2008 financial crisis was caused by bad populist government policies initiated in the Clinton administration but blew up during Bush regime that interfered in the market to guarantee the loans of people who ordinarily could not afford loans.

Traditionally a mortgage is 3x or 4x income. When government started asking banks to give loans to people who couldn’t afford them aka subprime (even up to 10x income) banks started lending to those who they knew couldn’t pay because they knew the govt could guarantee the loans and they will make their money upfront from the origination fees. Eventually we had a situation where people without jobs were getting mortgages of $500,000 and multiple mortgages. It worked for a while because house prices were rising because of the demand so everyone and his dog was flipping and making money. Banks knowing the people they lent money to could not repay the loans sold off the loans on their books to get the risk off their balance sheets and to originate new loans because that was where they were making the money and fraudulently repackaged the loans as good loans and sold them off to unsuspecting investors. To cut a long story short, the party ended because those packaged loans that the banks sold started to default as expected and it affected other sectors of the financial system.

It’s like I say lend money to any of my relatives and I will pay you if they default but you cannot have more than 10 debtors at a time. So naturally you look for as many relatives of mine as you can find and give them loans because for every loan you originate you get a fee. Once you have sold to ten relatives you package the 10 loans and sell them to investors (let’s say pensioners looking to reliable monthly income) as good loans so now because those 10 loans are off your books, you can sell to another 10 of my relatives and on and on. The investors not knowing that the people whose loans they bought have no income or cannot afford the loans because you labeled them as grade A instead of sub prime. Then my relatives start to default one by one and the investors who had bought the loans I sold cannot meet their obligations and the whole system collapses.


The 2008 financial crisis was not caused by government debt. It was an entirely private sector led crisis albeit caused by government interfering in the normal workings of the private sector. You are a financial illiterate. 2008 financial crisis had nothing to do with government debt.

If it were govt debt where did govt then find money to bail out banks and businesses? If it were govt that over borrowed did your brain not tell you it would have been government that needed bailing out not banks and financial institutions?

Ignoramus! Stop commenting on things above your intellect and pay grade simply because you have data! It is not BBNaija we are discussing!

To summarize what you copied from the internet, the 2008 crisis was caused by debt.
So read what you wrote and get wiser.
Again the most affected countries were the countries with heavy debt burden, Greece, Portugal etc.
Let me leave you because not only are you dumb, you hate knowledge.

casualobserver:
You clearly do not understand money or finance. You are probably one of those who swear by real estate because the Naira value of your property has gone up without actually asking yourself what is the real value of the increase in Naira?

A typical Nairaland kid. You will rather insult people than discuss issues.
What do you think caused the 2008 financial crisis?
The USA is today spending 1 trillion on debt servicing 4 times more than it spends on education. Is that ideal to you?
Why do you think the economy of Japan stagnated for 30 years?
You have a long way to go my boy.
Please try to address the issues I raised if you can. No need for insults.

casualobserver:
I don’t know why Nigerians see it as a badge of honour not to borrow.

It is not debt that is a problem it is what the debt was used for.

We are an underdeveloped country, that anyone is proud he did not borrow says to me they are not ambitious in their development goals.

You borrow as much as you can to provide infrastructure and raise your IGR to pay the debt. Furthermore if you do not borrow for development, tou create opportunity for the one coming after you will borrow to loot. The more you have borrowed the less window you leave for the one coming after you to loot. We. Know what happened to the one who claimed he saved money for his state.

Even in the most developed countries, the ability to live within your budget is commendable. Budget deficits are not encouraged in any economy, developed or developing.

SharonLoveth:
You only praise him by calling him a confusionist so continue arguing with him please!

Uncle take it easy. There is a difference between teaching someone and arguing with someone. You are clearly intent on arguing with me and losing an opportunity to teach the gospel.
Anyway, it's your choice. You could choose to argue with me to teach the truth.

tishbite42:
Hezbollah is stronger than the Lebanese Armed Forces
You can understand

How did Hezbollah get to Lebanon. He is right, this is Lebanon's own doing.

SharonLoveth:
So continue arguing with him till Jesus comes!

I will not insult him or start a fight with him. And it may not take till Jesus comes for him to understand. And lastly we don't expect everyone to get our message.
I will not argue with him, I will only teach him.

AntiChristian:
O! so Jesus died for your sins!

But even before Jesus died sins were being forgiven! So of what importance is his death?

1. Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors.

2. Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours

3. Jesus told a man his sins were forgiven! And he wasn't dead then!

So of what use is someone dying?

Another brilliant question. Now let's go to the bible for answers.
Revelations13. [8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain.
Hebrews 11.13
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Now the first verse describes Christ as the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. His death was an already concluded event.
Hence the second verse, even before his physical death, people who had faith in God banked on the promises of the gospel. Their faith in the promises to come was enough to bring them forgiveness.
So even before his physical sacrifice, many could receive forgiveness through faith in him.

AntiChristian:
Stop trying to avoid the question i asked earlier.

I will simplify it for you again!

You quoted 2Tim. 3 Verses 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And i quoted Luke 1:1-4

Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

1. Was Luke inspired by God from that verse above?
2. What does Luke mean by "many have undertaken to draw up an account" and "as they were handed down to us by ...."?
3. Was Luke aware he was writing a part of your so-called Bible?
4. Who is Theophilus Luke was writing to?

Let me answer your four questions
Question 1, Yes he was
Question 2. He was not the only one that have an account of the life of Jesus Christ. Remember Matthew, Mark and John? There could have been many others.
Question 3. I don't know but why is the question important.
Question 4. I don't know but again why is that important. Most books in the new testament are letters to someone or to branches of the church.
Have I answered your questions?

AntiChristian:
I don't get it because you are discussing what you want but not addressing my claim. What's in Luke 1:1-4 ?

I am addressing your claims by telling you that the apostles continued the work of Christ. They continued from the foundation Christ laid.
Just like your secondary school teachers continued from the works of your primary school teachers.
Jesus Christ came to teach people what they must do to have salvation and Paul reminds us that our works will never be good enough. We still depend on the grace for salvation. Or in the words of Jesus Christ, with man, salvation is impossible but with God it is.
Do you get it now?

AntiChristian:
Of course I can. If you're telling me God sent Jesus to the world and then you're quoting another person's word that means Jesus failed to deliver what he was sent to do!

That's where you are wrong. The purpose of Jesus Christ was not to teach us every single thing we need to know. That's why he choose men to continue the work after he died.
His purpose was to die for our sins. And lay the foundation for his gospel.
So stop getting it wrong never did Jesus Christ state that the words of his Apostles are not relevant on the contrary, he endorsed their words and their works. I hope you understand it better now.

SharonLoveth:
You that knew the answer to his question, did he reckon with you? Both of you arguing blindly!

Proverbs 26:4-5
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.

It is on nairaland you want to gain the soul of a foolish one right? You will argue tired 😴 😑

You realize he is not a Christian right. So he doesn't see it from your angle also, you realize that this could be an opportunity to teach so many others who are reading this. Let's use every opportunity we have to teach the gospel instead of needless insults.
1 Peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Again, the gospel of Jesus Christ is not magic. It sometimes takes time before our works bear fruit.

AntiChristian:
Of course it has to be Jesus. Of what use is others speech?

For example Luke 1:1-4 vs your last Timothy verse.

Bro, the problem you are having is that you don't understand that the teachings of Jesus Christ apostles are an extension of his teachings.
So it doesn't matter if it comes from the mouth of Paul or Peter, it's same as from the mouth of Christ.
Now read the verses below to understand.
The Apostles had the Spirit of Gid
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Apostles are one with Christ and they speak his words
John 17.20-21

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
In verse 20, Jesus Christ endorses the words of his Apostles.
So you don't need to look only for the teachings of Jesus Christ, as a Christian you need to believe the words of his Apostles also.
Do you get it now?

AntiChristian:
Of course it has to be Jesus. Of what use is others speech?

For example Luke 1:1-4 vs your last Timothy verse.

Sir, you can't ask s christian a question and decide who he can quote. But really, why should it be Jesus Christ. Do you have any special reason why you think he is the only one in the bible capable of teaching us his words.
Please make it make sense. Why are you specific about hearing from Jesus Christ?

AntiChristian:
Is it Jesus talking above? Show us where Jesus preached your thoughts?

I don't get your question bro. Does it have to be Jesus for it to be true?
Please explain why it has to be Jesus speaking