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FreeStuffsNG:
I hope the naysayers can now see that Nigerian indigenous companies are the real deal!

This little known indigenous company was founded from a humble beginning in 1948 by a farmer/commodity trader in old Western region of Nigeria and today earns a revenue of over $1 billion annually from Nigeria, topping even the multinationals operating in the non-oil exports! Not even Dangote Fertilizer, Indorama, Olam etc could match this indigenous company!

The Founder is a High Chief from Ode Omu, Osun state. Silent achiever with no noise

A single company earns more than 30% of our non-oil exports and it's proudly a Nigerian company!

Nigeria will only bless those who bless Nigeria and curse those who curse Nigeria!

Here is the lesson to those wishing ill luck to the administration of President Bola Tinubu; when you hate, criminally defame and point accusing fingers at an innocent person, the remaining 4 fingers of illwind you wish others are pointing at you! You bless Nigeria, Nigeria will bless you, you curse Nigeria, Nigeria will curse you and your generations and nothing you sow in Nigeria or outside Nigeria will be blessed because the curse will follow you around!

May God bless Nigeria for ever! Check my signature for free stuffs!

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You fool. What about the tens of millions dying in poverty. Did they all curse Nigeria?

achorladey:
You can see how he is dancing and jumping from pillar to post to defend what even his own points can't defend.


He stated......



After already saying those who saw Christ face to face have partial knowledge about Christ too



When he got corrected that even in Prophecy there is knowledge about Christ.

He keeps making up things as he goes

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you countless times that you and i can never ever agree or conclude whenever you come to quote me because i will use the full strength of God's word to back what i'm saying not just some conventional idea people welcome.

Christians are followers of Jesus so those who never knew Jesus or heard of what he commanded can't be Christians!

I am waiting for you to back your words with the bible but so far you have not.
Christians are those who believe in the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
2. The law of Moses is a school master to lead men to Christ. All those who had the law of Moses definitely had some of his commandments
Now we are both beginning to repeat the same things. When you have new info on the topic, I will happily respond you. Cheers bro

MaxInDHouse:
Christians must have the knowledge of what Jesus of Nazareth taught, believe his teachings, ready to practice what Jesus taught, dedicate their lives to God and getting baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Of course it doesn't mean they have perfect knowledge yet that's why the learning continues even after baptism! Matthew 28:20

So those who never knew Jesus of Nazareth or what he taught ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!

Oga you are not the one to decide who is a Christian.
Let's leave it as everyone who believes in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. That is the foundation of Christianity.
Knowing everything in the bible is not the standard of being a Christian.
Again, let's agree to disagree unless you have another question or you have some new insight to share on this topic.
If not we can conclude

achorladey:
Picture one

You will some dressed in the modern attire and one dressed in attire that looks like animal fur used in making clothes.

You will see the instructor standing in front of them with a board having an image, the image Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream. Picture it as Daniel being preached to and taught the interpretation of that dream based on the interpretation of Watchtower today and possibly why he is part of those resurrected, Christianity as well.

The same dream God helped Daniel to interprete


Picture two......

looks more like a current Jehovah’s witness who is now resurrected and in paradise preaching and teaching a resurrected person that lived during the time of Abel, Noah, David and Co.

They think so much of themselves

achorladey:
That's how distorted their knowledge of things really are. Maybe he thinks those images in their publications scattered everywhere carries the image of Jesus Christ that when he shows up in the sky tomorrow, they will all point their fingers at him and say that person right their is Jesus Christ abi na Archangel Michael

Evidence of this is when they bought some houses around 1925 in San Diego USA expecting the resurrection of David, Daniel, Noah and Co that year 1925. You begin to imagine Abel will show up in USA when resurrected.

They are a strange people

MaxInDHouse:
Accurate knowledge about the Christ involves three things:

•Prophecies about the Christ:
Jesus' disciples who stick to him believed the prophecies about the Christ that's why they're able to recognize him out of many who were claiming they're the Christ in the first century.


•Who fulfilled the messianic prophecies:
There were many in the first century claiming they are the Christ but Jesus fulfilled prophecies pointing to the Christ. That's why his disciples started following to LEARN from him.


•And practicing what the Christ taught:
Many also followed Jesus after seeing the evidences that he is the Christ but later got tired and left him never to follow him again.

So being a Christian has much more than just knowing prophecies that's why the Ethiopian Eunuch couldn't understand what he was reading yet it was the prophecies about the Christ that he was reading, had it been Philip wasn't sent to explain to him he couldn't have had that he must be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus for him to become a Christian!

Oga being a Christian does not involve having a perfect knowledge. Who taught you that one.
I already taught that God reveals himself little by little. Here a little and there a little. So again, you are wrong.
Christianity is a journey that begins with accepting Jesus Christ and ends in Salvation. At anywhere you are in the process, you are a Christian. A follower of Jesus Christ.
David was definitely a Christian

helinues:
Have you seen me on the major threads about Amaka? We no dey that petty here

But here you are. You are actually very petty

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=131806624]Prophesies about the Christ totally differs from meeting the Christ in person or learning from those TRAINED by the Christ.

For your information John the baptist saw and grew up as Jesus' cousin but it's until he baptized Jesus he never knew that his cousin is the promised Christ yet after John was imprisoned he began having doubts feeling maybe Jesus isn't the expected Christ after all! Matthew 11:2-3
Again, you have no point. Yes there are some differences between those who learnt by prophecy and those who learnt directly but to say that there is no knowledge in prophecy show you don't know what you are talking about.
Now you give another unnecessary example.
Let me tell you, if Jesus walks into your church today, there are many that wouldn't know who he is so what is your point?

Of course John the baptist was never a Christian because he didn't follow nor practice what Jesus taught despite being the most favored of all the prophets! Matthew 11:11-12

So prophecies or being a prophet doesn't automatically makes someone a Christian! :

Again just because you say he wasn't a Christian does not make it so. As I said, most christians would not recognize Jesus in person if he visited their churches today so what is your point about John exactly?

achorladey:
What did you see in those pictures?

It looked like jw preaching . But then who are they preaching to?

helinues:
Amaka in Canada statement is just a child play to the so irritating attitudes of some Obidients on this forum who refused to move on from the 2023 election even for the fact that there names didn't appear on the ballot.

They wish, surround and embrace evil about the development of Nigeria.

They would all be disgraced as usual though

Oga your hypocrite is getting funny. You are more interested in Amaka and not in your evil government.

achorladey:
@ tctrills.....

What do you think is going on here?

Lol please tell me

MaxInDHouse:
They had no knowledge about Jesus what they had was prophecies about the Christ and until they learn about his words, thoughts and actions they are not Christians!

In what name does the Ethiopian Eunuch baptized?
What name did Abraham and the rest knew as the name of God's Son since Christians should be baptized in the name of the father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? Matthew 28:19

You have an English problem, what are prophecies? Prophecy is God's way of giving us knowledge. Or do you think the prophecy was for fun.
Again you just agreed that they had partial knowledge in your very last post so what changed.
Now let's talk about baptism.

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
In this verse, even those baptized in the name of John are called disciples.
I hope you get that.
So as usual, you have no point.

achorladey:
Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses. And through his name, and by our faith in his name, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. The faith that is through him has made this man completely healthy in front of all of you. And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers also did. But in this way God has fulfilled the things he announced beforehand through the mouth of all the prophet


Because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption. God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.


I believe the Christians of today are equally preaching the resurrection of Jesus Christ and believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ like David

Dont mind them. The foundation of Christianity is the believe that Jesus died for our sins and is resurrected. That's what everyone we call christians have in common

MaxInDHouse:
Of course only those who walked with Jesus and those who later learned from them can have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE about the Christ all those that lived before Jesus only had partial knowledge because they got prophecies they can't fully understand not to talk of practice what the Christ will teach.

So they are not Christians!

Oga you have finally agreed with me without knowing. Both he that has a partial knowledge or he that thinks he knows everything are all Christians.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question.
Imagine the Ethiopian eunuch died immediately after his baptism, at that time, he knows extremely little about the gospel of Jesus Christ which he just accepted,does he not qualify as a Christian.
Honestly you have made my point.

MaxInDHouse:

If the Old Testament talked about Christ then why do the Jews who have the laws need disciples of Jesus to preach and teach them about Christianity? Matthew 10:6
The answer is in Gal.3

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Do you understand or do I need to do the explaining again

Of course it's what was written in the Old Testament that Christians used to prove that Jesus is the promised Christ if Jesus didn't train his disciples to preach and teach nobody can become a Christian.
Moses did not need the training of the disciples
David did not need the disciples to recognize his Lord.
And Abraham did not need the disciples to enter a Christ based covenant with him


So Abraham, Moses or David who never heard or were taught about Jesus only had the promises just as all other Israelites they can't become Christians unless Jesus or his TRAINED disciples preach to and teach them!

It's not written that they knew what we know today but I don't do guesswork. I can't tell if they knew as much as we do or not but it does not matter.
The bible teaches,
Isaiah 28:10
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10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
God did not give all his truths at once. Even we still do not know everything.
Paul wrote
1 Corinthians 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
God's works are not done and his revelations are not over. It here a little and there a little.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Luke 18:18-23

The man did everything the mosaic law says yet he will not follow Jesus that's evidence of the fact that the laws doesn't automatically lead to Christ some must be trained to preach and teach how the Christ relate with the laws {Matthew 10:11-13} otherwise millions of Jews carrying the laws in their heads today won't be claiming that Jesus was an impostor. Matthew 27:63

So before anyone could become a Christian he must have seen or heard from Jesus or Jesus' disciples! Romans 10:13-15

I know you love arguing blindly that's why there can never be any agreement between you and i!

You have a point with the verses Romans 10.13.15
But remember philip and the ethiopian. Philip taught the eunuch about Christ using the old testament so clearly the old testament preached Christ.

So when you mention Romans 19.13 to 15
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
You are wrong because Jesus Christ says the old testament testifies of him.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Luke 18:18-23

The man did everything the mosaic law says yet he will not follow Jesus that's evidence of the fact that the laws doesn't automatically lead to Christ some must be trained to preach and teach how the Christ relate with the laws {Matthew 10:11-13} otherwise millions of Jews carrying the laws in their heads today won't be claiming that Jesus was an imposter. Matthew 27:63

So before anyone could become a Christian he must have seen or heard from Jesus or Jesus' disciples! Romans 10:13-15

I know you love arguing blindly that's why there can never be any agreement between you and i!

Oga there are many modern Christians that would also miss heaven so what is your point. The bible never says you should hear from Jesus before you become a Christian. Romans 10.13 to 15. You have a point but Jesus said
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me
So yes, the old testament and the new testament both testify of Christ
When Jesus Christ made the above statement, he was talking about the old testament. Both the 9ld and new testament preach about him so again you are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
There's nothing to agree upon.

People who never knew the Christ in person or learn how to practice CHRISTIANITY are not Christians. Period!

You see confused. You don't know Christ in person. If He walked pass you on the streets you would have no clue.
If the law of Moses was to led them to Christ then followers of the Law of Moses are followers of Christ doing his will.
Again, let's agree to disagree.

Michael547:
Oga so who was the mediator in Galatians 3:19 through who the law was given to the people of isreal in Connection to John 1:17?

I told you that your translation of the bible is fake and you called me dubious. Now let me ask you, do you accept every translation of the bible?
If even you would not accept every translation, when then do you expect me to accept a false one especially when I presented you with a correct one?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy people who lived prior to the time of Christ are not Christians!

These 2 verses explain the relationship between the old testament followers of Christ and the new testament followers.
Gal 3
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The purpose of the law of Moses was to led men to Christ hence followers of the law were followers of Christ.
I know you are not learning anything here but let's leave it for those who come to learn.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy people who lived prior to the time of Christ are not Christians!

That's jw false doctrines. If you can't believe the Bible then I can't help you.
My job here is to educate people from the scripture. I guess anyone willing to learn will read the verses mentioned and grow from there. So let's agree to disagree.

MaxInDHouse:
Blind argument.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself i hate deceit that is why you and i can't be on the same page.

Moses and Abraham can't practice what they never heard it's Jesus' disciples sent out to preach {Matthew 10:11-13} that were TEACHING people {Matthew 28:18-20{ it's not automatic knowledge they must be preached to and taught by Jesus' disciples before they can get baptized to become CHRISTIANS! Romans 10:13-15

As usual you are confused
1. It was Jesus Christ that gave Moses the law so the law of Moses is actually the law of God given to Moses
2. Abraham's covenant that is still in force is centered on faith in Jesus Christ.
3. A Christian is one who believes in Christ and David definitely did.
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.
All the Prophets of old believed in him.
I hope this helps you
4. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The law will bring men unto Christ so following the law was same as following Christ.
The only difference was that when Jesus came, he gave a more advance version of his law. The only purpose of the Law of Moses was to prepare people for Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible only those PRACTICING what Jesus taught are CHRISTIANS not all those faithful servants of God!

That's not the definition of a Christian. And Moses and Abraham practiced what Jesus taught them.

MaxInDHouse:
Who commanded them to sell their properties and give the money to fellow members?

Jesus, the Apostles or initiatives of the group?

Who took their life, Jesus, the Apostles or initiatives of the group?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ go and learn from your pastors in the churches of Christendom after all they don't know what a Christian means!

I choose to learn from the word of God

Michael547:
You are dubious for calling NLT a fake translation.
Oga if you join Galatians 3:19 and John 1:17. You would know that Moses was the mediator between the isrealites and God.
So who was the mediator that Paul was referring to in that verse.

It's fake because your version makes Paul a liar.
Stop using it. I have presented you with a version or translation I believe not your fake one.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
The verse above proofs that your translation is false and fake

MaxInDHouse:
And one of the rulers questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother.’” Then he said: “All of these I have kept from youth on.” After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich. Luke 18:18-23

This man PRACTICED everything the law says but refused to FOLLOW Jesus.

Is he a CHRISTIAN?

You are confused. Ananias and Sapphira also refused to give all their money to the church, are they not christians

MaxInDHouse:
You that doesn't even know what Christians means want to tell me who are true men of God.

Ọmọ you're really funny o!

Because I don't accept your leaders false teachings you call me funny. Oga let's stick to the bible and forget your leaders. The bible is the only common factor between us. Outside the bible, we.have no discussion.

Michael547:
Oga below is Galatians 3:19. Was Moses called a mediator? Yes or no?

Oga that's a fake translation of Gal 3.19
Below is the real Galatians 3.19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Please what version of the bible are you using. Let's start from there.

MaxInDHouse:
Wisdom doesn't come from reading rather it's from listening to the chosen brothers of Christ.

"Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21

Many like David called the Christ Lord! Lord!! but never practiced what Jesus taught so they are not his followers or Christians!

Again you are wrong. If what you really believe is the word of your leaders, then no need for you to come here to discuss the bible. Since you will argue against the word of God, just stick to the words of your leaders.
Now listen to the purpose of the Law of Moses
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The purpose of the law was to bring men to Christ. So anyone following the law was clearly following Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Wisdom doesn't come from reading rather it's from listening to the chosen brothers of Christ.

"Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21

Many like David called the Christ Lord! Lord!! but never practiced what Jesus taught so they are not his followers or Christians!

But you are listening to false men of God. Men who deny the word of God. That's tour only problem