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DeepSight:
Okay, thank you for this report. However, saying that Xenophobia has become institutionalized in government in SA is different from saying that it is official state policy. Corruption is institutionalized in government in Nigeria, but it is not official state policy, is it? Now, does the fact that Nigeria is overwhelmingly corrupt, has a culture of corruption, and has corruption insidious in government mean that the Nigerian State should not take up a state policy against corruption?

All the more, it should, and yes even abroad too.

Good, I love your answer. Now wouldn't you laugh if you heard that Nigeria is fighting against corruption in let's say Togo? It makes no sense.
You don't treat people from other countries like shit and then cry loudest because you claim that Israel is treating people from Palestine like shit. It does not matter if it's your policy or just your culture. You need to first take care of yourself before addressing others. Almost any other country would have been in a better position to address the Israel/Palestine conflict, not South Africa.

DeepSight:
Please note my words carefully. I did not say the USA is racist. I said it is a hotbed of racism.



Looks like you are a Trumpist. Well let's leave it then. Trump supporters can hardly be convinced of any wrong he has done. Let's forget him on this discussion.



Well, State Policy is not dictated by mob culture.

I have addressed your last comments in my initial post but this is a follow-up. Before Trump became a politician, he was the darling of the blacks. His name was in rap songs, he appeared in their movies, and was a friend to the community. Then he joined politics and people like you branded him a racist. Very unfair

DeepSight:
Please note my words carefully. I did not say the USA is racist. I said it is a hotbed of racism.



Looks like you are a Trumpist. Well let's leave it then. Trump supporters can hardly be convinced of any wrong he has done. Let's forget him on this discussion.



Well, State Policy is not dictated by mob culture.

You call someone a Trumpist and you criticize Trump supporters and you call others racist. To me, you are the one with the problem here.
You find it hard to accept those who don't share your opinions.
You give them names and make them look bad for no reason.
Now state policy is clearly dictated by culture.
Now do you agree with the UN report that discrimination against foreign nationals in South Africa has been institutionalised both in government policy and broader South African society?
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/07/south-africa-un-experts-condemn-xenophobic-violence-and-racial

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. You're a mental case . Why would they kill them at a political rally, when there are so many places where they can gun them down? .

Now you see how foolish you are. But then more education for you.
Did you know that more whites are killed by blacks than blacks killed by whites yearly in the US?
Who do you know if not xenophobia

DeepSight:
Contrary to what you said, the USA is a hotbed of racism. And if you mention "a respected king in South Africa" - so what? SA has no King. We have very tribalistic traditional rulers here in Lagos. We can remember what the Oba of Lagos said about Igbos and the Lagos Lagoon. Besides what would you say of the attitude of someone like Trump in the USA.

I truly cant keep going round in circles.
State policy is not mob opinion.

First you are yet to show how the US is racist. I believe it's your opinion and you are entitled to it even though it's wrong.

Again, as for Trump, please mention his act of racism. But before you do, here are some things the trump presidency did for blacks.

President Trump signed the historic FIRST STEP ACT into law.

90 percent of those who have had their sentences reduced are Black Americans.

FIRST STEP ACT shortens mandatory minimum sentence for nonviolent drug crimes.

The law allows offenders sentenced under racially motivated mandatory minimums to petition for revaluation

President Trump launched the "Ready to Work" Initiative, which helps released prisoners gain meaningful employment.

President Trump has proposed the Second Step Act to partner with corporate America to create opportunities for former prisoners to rejoin society.

Black Americans are seeing unprecedented levels of economic success with record low unemployment rates, more jobs, and higher incomes.

Over 1.4 million more Black Americans have found a job between President Trump's election and February 2020.

Black poverty reached a historic low in 2019.

President Trump designated 8,760 Opportunity Zones that are projected to spur $100 billion in private investment in minority communities.

The Trump administration established a fund to deploy $1 billion in capital funding for minority-owned businesses through the Commerce Department.

President Trump called on Congress to pass school choice legislation to expand educational opportunities for all American children, especially those in our nation's inner cities.

President Trump's FY 2020 budget called for $500 million in federal funding for school choice, and in 2018 he signed legislation increasing school choice funding by $42 million.

The Trump Administration proposed the Education Freedom Scholarships and Opportunity Act.

President Trump restored funding and increased investment for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) by 14 percent.

The Trump Administration provided more than $500 million in loans to HBCUs through the Capital Financing Program.

President Trump worked with HBCUs to protect $80 million in Title III carryover funding.

President Trump signed the FUTURE Act into law, which permanently funds HBCUs and simplifies the FAFSA application.

In 2018, President Trump signed a budget deal which forgave more than $300 million in debt owed by four HBCUs impacted by natural disasters and provided $10 million in loan payment deferments for schools that face financial difficulties, including HBCUs.

President Trump worked with Congress to lift the ban on Pell Grants on summer classes.

Now xenophobia may not be south African policy but it's more dangerous, it's south African culture.

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. I'm so hurt...I wanted to hear more about how peaceful and welcoming Trump's fans are to your blacks ass . You're special...I hope you visit Israel one of these days....I hear they LOOVEZ black migrants

I see you are all over the place. Keep making a fool of yourself. But then one serious question for you. Can you google how many blacks have been killed or driven out of any Trump rally?

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. I have a crush on you ....allow me na . I have never dated a retar'd before , I want to experience that

Xenophobia people

DeepSight:
I disagree that the USA is one of the least racist countries in the world. However that is not important. Apply the principle laid out in my analogy using any other country and any other problem and you will see that the principle remains the same.

For example, that Italy is the capital of the the mafia does not mean that Italy cannot oppose gangsterism at the level of state policy. That Colombia is the capital of illicit narcotics does not mean it cannot oppose same at the level of state policy. In fact and in truth it only means that it should more strenuously oppose such at the level of state policy.

I hope you understand. I can't continue going round in circles.

The most respected king in south Africa supports xenophobia. A majority of it's people support xenophobia. Members of government have openly supported xenophobia and nothing happened to them
Nigerians are safer in the US your so called capital of racism and in Italy the world's mafia headquarters than in South Africa.
We evaluate our citizens in planes.
So your comparisons don't cut it.
A country known for treating others like shit should not be fighting for people it claims are being treated like shit.

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. Cry some more religious slowpoke . You can go and kill yourself over Israel matter, we will continue to help out the poor Palestinians....no amount of tantrums will stop us

I am sure you have noticed that I am taking every other person seriously except you. You are a joke. .

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. This one is trying to tell us that he knows America more than the Americans themselves . My goodness . This post is beyond pathetic. The USA and race issues are like 5 and 6 numbskull .

This one 8s in pains and following me everywhere. Mr xenophobia

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. But the whole world was watching us speak . But no ones cares about a giant tribal nation with no backbone. Live with it. We made our voices heard about the issue and we will continue to do it. Stay in your cowardly corner and watch us do our thing. You belong in the back not the front

As I said earlier Mr south Africa, allow me to talk with non xenophobic human beings. People like you should be ignored. There are 8 billion people on earth, why should I engage with a xenophobic animal?

DeepSight:
Well just remember that we are discussing state policy here. Xenophobia is not state policy in SA - rather there happens to be a xenophobic mob available there, just as there is a racist mob available in the USA for example. Now would you say that the USA should not, on that account, take up a fight against racism anywhere in the world - at the level of state policy - simply because there is a lot of racism in the USA?

First, the USA is one of the least racist countries in the world. Very wrong comparison. I have lived there so I know. The US remains the first majority-white country to elect a nonwhite president. The US is among the first 5 countries on earth to ban slavery and the only country that fought a civil war to end it.
In the US, blacks and whites have the very same rights and privileges. In fact, blacks have more privileges than whites. So please use another example not the USA

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. Rubbish. You read everything but you couldn't respond because I demolished and exposed your hypocrisy . Imagine coming from a country that had state of origin on its ID card to promote tribalism yet crying over other countries . Fight tribalism and religious bigotry and you'll be taken seriously .

no one takes you seriously. fix your xenophobia, and then we can hear from you. For now you are wasting your time

DeepSight:
South Africa's leaders - right from the apartheid days - have seen the suffering of the Palestinians as a parallel of their own experience.

Let me ask you a question. How would you feel if the leader of an armed robbery gang is leading the protest against kidnapping?
Would you take him serious?
That's how I feel when the world's capital of xenophobia is leading the so called protest against apartheid.

Lionessza6:
LMFAO. Listen to this foolish hypocrite . You kill each other over tribe and religion to the point that you can't stand living with your own people in the same country and you have to migrate in numbers.....but your dumbass want to accuse us the receiving country of hate ? . If we are so horrible to all these people, then why do they keep coming here ? There are over 50 non- xenophobic countries in Africa, why are all these people not going there ? . You're not very bright....if they were truly living in fear why do they remain here, where they are policed by us ? Does it make any sense . Why is there no interest in moving towards you good people ?

Yes, we will keep on supporting our comrades in Palestne as they have no country to call home, we want them to be free and run their own affairs. Why are the rest running here when they have countries with no colonisre ? Who is fighting those wars against themselves in their home countries, South Africans? . Stop trying to scapegoat us for the evils around Africa. Over 35 African countries are at war or in some form of ethnic conflict, and who is responsible for that SA or Palestine :?

I didn't read anything you wrote. I can't waste my time with a south African. I rather spend it discussing with my fellow Nigerians.
Please continue with your xenophobia and your hypocrisy.

DeepSight:
“I know first-hand that Israel has created an apartheid reality within its borders and through its occupation. The parallels to my own beloved South Africa are painfully stark indeed,” - Bishop Desmond Tutu

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/30/desmond-tutu-palestinians-israel

You qouted from Desmond Tutu to prove what really?
Is it to show that South Africa is not the world's capital of xenophobia or are you saying that anything Tutu says must be right?
Please explain your point here because I am not sure what you are attempting to prove.

DeepSight:
They have a longstanding historical association with, and support for Palestine. It didnt start today.




Nigeria should oppose apartheid, enslavement and oppression everywhere and that is what Israel has been doing to Palestine.

Clearly you should learn more history.
In the 1950 and 60s Israel was one of the biggest opposition to the apartheid regime in south Africa.
Below is a link to educate you on that.
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations[/url]
Also when we talk about moral standing, South Africa lacks that. You can't be the world's capital of xenophobia and be expected to be taken seriously.

About Israel oppressing the Palestinians, that's your opinion and it is false.
The Palestinians have never sought peace and Israel has a right to defend itself.

Jeans601:
Are you mentally ok??

Keep questioning other people's mental health since you have no better talking point.

Jeans601:
27,000 lives lost mostly women and children


Anyone still supporting isreal need serious mental evaluation.

Anyone not supporting Israel is very sick in the head.
Please tell me any war where civilians don't die.
In your own Biafran war, 2 million died. I have never seen your post about Nigerian genocide.
Bloody hypocrite.

God1000:
Why is the world allowing this to happen?

US is waking up too late after aiding and abetting mass genocide.

Even wild animals don't hate each other this much.



Lol

You are joking right?

Lionessza6:
The tribalist wants to fix xenophobia ...what a joke . Cry some more migrant . If you shunned tribalism and stopped being warmongers, your own nations would be attractive to you and others. But your self-hate has turned your homes into places to escape . Not our problems. We will continue to support those who prefer to fix and live in their own countries not some sissies who always run when no one is pursuing them. Evil people

So I have never killed or raped anyone in my land. I don't qualify as a tribalist in any shape or form. But you are a sick hypocrite. You are the world's capital of xenophobia yet you virtue signal when it comes to Israel.
You kill Zimbabweans, Nigerians, Ghanaians and all other blacks in your land but you are ok fighting for the rights of others in a far away land. South Africa is only a joke.

DeepSight:
South Africa has long seen a mirror of its experiences in the hands of the minority apartheid white government in the treatment of Palestinians by Israel. South Africa, like much of the world, recognizes the practices of Israel as apartheid. South Africa, having suffered apartheid, has a genuine emotional and spiritual sympathy for Palestine. The late Madiba and Rev Desmond Tutu both expressed this.



While I agree that the violence is not the same, the sentiment behind it is what I refer to.
And sure, Xenophobia in SA is a serious issue that must not be taken lightly.

However this does nothing to take away SA's historical empathy to the Palestinian cause.
If Nigeria had its head correct, we should be in the vanguard of support for Palestine as well - because as the largest congregation of black people in the world, we should be seen to be the most outspoken for oppressed and enslaved people everywhere - given what the black race has experienced in the last few centuries.

But we have no ideology in Nigeria. We are only interested in stealing money and impoverishing our people.

The so called south African spiritual experience has not transcended into anything other than hypocrisy. Their experience did not teach them how to show love to other nationalities. Hence the so called love of Palestine is only virtue signaling.

I am happy you now see the difference in xenophobia and the way western countries treat migrants. Please don't make such comparison anymore.

Now to your last point, why should Nigeria fight or even support the Palestine agitation?
First, Nigerians are divided in their support. Some are on camp Israel and others on the Palestine camp.
Why should our government take any side that does not reflect the collective desire of it's people?
Finally, how will Nigeria justify accusing Israel of genocide for the death of 25k Palestinians when over 2 million people mostly kids were killed in our civil war?

DeepSight:
Xenophobia in South Africa is indeed of concern but in no way eliminates the country's historical and spiritual association with the Palestinian cause arising from its own apartheid struggle.

By the way, South African Xenophobia is more akin to the anti-immigration sentiments in many western countries on account of economic reasons ("they are stealing our jobs, polluting our environment, etc). Although one does not support such sentiments either, this is quite different from the apartheid practiced by Israel and which South Africa is naturally sensitive to.

Please can you explain what you mean by spiritual association?

Again, south African xenophobia is in no way akin to the anti-immigration sentiments in many western countries. Please please tell me the western countries where their citizens kill, loot, burn, and rape migrants, both legal and illegal?
Please stop compering things that don't relate just to justify your hypocrisy.
1000s of black Africans have been harmed in south African. As a black, you are more safer living in the west than in south Africa.
So please enough of this nonsense.

Lionessza6:
Dumbass you're confused ..... we want you to fix your own countries and not flood ours . We also support the Palestinians in their fight against invaders . Stop invading other countries and you won't be attacked.....very simple . Everyone has a home and we want the Palestinians to have theirs .use yours wisely and leave us the fck alone

Oh you are south African no wonder. The world's capital of xenophobia.

DeepSight:
How old are you, and what is your conception of your purpose on Earth?
I ask these because your comment betrays scandalous unseriousness.

South Africa's alignment with the Palestinian cause has deep roots tracing back to its own apartheid struggle.

It's ironic that you don't see the hypocrisy. The number xenophobic nation is leading a case against Israel.
But then, anything against Israel is acceptable to you guys.
Leave the young man to make his case. It's better to be funny than to be a hypocrite.

Cmanforall:
Have you given others chance?

Do not be surprised Yusuf or Aina will be better than him in that role

Obviously the coach sees them all in training. Aina clearly does not have any creativity. He is strong and wonderful in his defence position but Iwobi's ball distribution skill is next to know on the team.
We saw a bit of Yusuf in the last match and there was nothing outstanding.
Iwobi is clearly among the 5 best players we have in that team

Gbadugbakun:
Very true. That guy has been playing rubbish.

He has been one of your best players in this tornament.
He is the best in ball distribution and dictating play.
No other player in the team has his abilities.
The team generally lacks creative players. Iwobi the only one with a good pass and a creative edge

forgiveness:
Where did they sell for lesser? Show me proof. Bloody liar.

Oga, how much are they selling for. Now you need me to show you proof because you refused to study for yourself.
Now please research on the SPDC. Totalenergies has 10% of it and are selling their 10% .
Do your research and then we can discuss like 2 educated people.
Find out the following,
1. What's the total oil reserve of the SPDC?
2. What percentage does Total own?
3. How much is Total selling their stake?
Hint, you can tell how much total is selling but looking at how much Shell sold off their 30% stake.
I am sure this is super complex for you so just leave this for the people that understand.

This vid below would help you understand better
https://youtu.be/y3enB_J0WCU?si=VihRUZO7B-Sjx2aY

forgiveness:
Show were total said they sold at a loss? Liar.

Oga I would try to educate you but I know you are a block head.
Now Total's onshore reserves are over 150 million barrels. At present oil price of about $70 per barrel, the value of their reserves is over 7 billion dollars.
Now they sell their facility at less than a billion dollars.
I am sure even a block head will understand this simple mathematics.

forgiveness:
Just keep quiet. Total already said the reason for selling their shares.

All you wrote na epistle. You are not a shareholder but a nobody in total.

You are the typical Nairaland child. You know very little but are prepared to insult everyone trying to teach you.
No company sells off a profitable business at a loss. It's business 101.
Total and Shell are selling up their onshore facilities at a big loss.

pocom16:
Exactly... don't blame the people..blame leaders.


As if the leaders are not the same as the people..

Imagine a king asking for settlement..
Do you think, even your kind will not do such if you get to their seat..

Small organisation...go and see how Nigerians behave..tell me how they are different from leaders..

Nigerians are just terrible people..not government

The idea that the leaders are the same as the people is quite irresponsible.
Everyone should be responsible for his actions and not collective blame for the actions of a few.
Are you saying that the EFCC should punish every Nigerian of the crimes of their leaders?

pocom16:
You are the highly ignorant one..

Go and check the profits declared by this companies and how their stock rise..

Do you think it has taken Exxon mobile and Aramco a century to reach the height they are in..

Even Folorunsho..a tailor.. immediately she was given an oil block in Agbami..became the richest woman in the Africa..
Someone that was just sowing clothes..

With her oil money she has built two towers in Lagos using Julius Berger..

Who was Arthur Eze before he got his block..

Dey whine yourself there

I gave you a link but still you wouldn't read. You can't be help. You are too lazy to improve yourself.