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Courz:
You can see the way he is dodging the main question you are asking. The fool is even comparing Joseph and Potiphar's wife to rape of a woman. Joseph who is stronger and had to struggle to run away. How can you compare that to a situation where a minor or a woman is being assaulted by a Male who is stronger? You see the kind of foolishness these JWS are displaying. Too much Brainwashing doesn't allow one to think properly. You even showed that you are more sensible by providing real life examples and why women need to learn to defend themselves to avoid rape. The Idiot is still arguing with you displaying arrogance in ignorance. I told you that you won't get anything tangible from these JW miscreants in this forum.

The poor boy doesn't know the difference between sexual harassment and rape

Aemmyjah:
3. That's why it's just one case study you can share. It is very rare. It's not bad to defend yourself. As for us Christians, we don't not resort to use of the sword violence or excessive force. If you see me fighting with someone today to defend myself, you will record it and begin to say nonsense that someone that preach is fighting on the street.

2. In Nigeria, a woman that kills a rapist will be tried. Stop capping nonsense. Go and ask any lawyer even if na fake lawyer.

1. I will do as you are doing na. Shebi you give your own daughter a knife. You don't know who wants to rape you or where you may come into contact with them. It could be a teacher, a friend, even a relative or a client. Not that they are actually rapists, it could just be that the circumstances they found themselves created the desire in them. Many celebrities, religious leaders, academic, politicians, etc are accused of one sexual misconduct or the other. Everything is just common sense. Your own madness will not always lessen the What the offender plans to do. Where there's capital punishment for rapists and all that, rape is still rampant. Use of force has not even done anything.

Stop acting like a kid, you are free to read up any construction on self defense. You really need to educate yourself.
Court cases are not mere case studies, they are based on the law and constitution.
Again you need to stick to one side. Do you believe in self defense or not? I also don't believe in the use of excessive force so what exactly is your point. Would you allow your wife to be raped and show respect to her rapist?

2. I just opened your eyes to the Nigerian constitution but it's clear you would continue to embarrass yourself. You want people to believe an ignorance man like you with zero legal training and disbelieve our constitution.

1. The example I gave of my friend. The attempted rapist was actually a family friend she let into her house.
Again, it doesn't have to be a knife. We see girls using pepper spray everyday.
Please where do you stand, are you for or against self defense?

4. Lastly can you please explain how to respect a rapist to a 13 years old

Jangbajantis:
So much hype for a goalkeeper that hasn't really been tested.

Nigerians are concerned about the health of their goalie and you call it hype. Some of you must find a reason to be miserable.

Aemmyjah:
1. What do you mean by law in rape? You de cap nonsense. The article did not say you should not defend yourself.

2. Defending yourself does not mean disrespect. How do you reason sef? How old are you? If a knife or something else is what you could use to scare him away. Ok. What if your friend actually killed the him. You'll likely be visiting her in jail by now. I did not say she should give in

3. And the link you dropped about Kyle has nothing to do with rape. If your son was killed at school fur attempting to rape a girl, that's it shey? Again I ask you. Do you give your daughter a knife to carry around. Some rapists would even laugh at a knife

Lemme share an experience, during the pandemic, where there was lockdown everywhere. Cases of domestic violence and rape was reported everyday and around us. Still, we needed to go out and buy stuffs. Whenever the girl wants to go out to buy something, me and one other guy accompany her. One on the left and one on the right like bodyguards. She made us feel inferior like we were bodyguards but it was nothing. That was what we did. Girls were going out with knives, sometimes the rapists use these to harm them. We did not give her a knife or even reason doing so.
So my dear sis, jn this world, no protection is really guaranteed. We don't resort to violence as Jesus. In lands where people are free to use violence and weapons for self defense, it has always created more and more lawlessness.
As you said, like robbery, a woman needs to use common sense

3. Let me begin with number 3. The link I share was to teach you that self defense is not a crime. You don't go to jail when you defend yourself.
But since you want to be spoon-fed, here is a link.
[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/GMA/story%3fid=125846&page=1[/url]

Again, the experience you shared has nothing to do with the topic. Again, in your point one, you supported self defense so what's really your point?

2. You ask what if my friend killed him. Now according to Nigerian law, self defense is not a crime so I would not be visiting her in jail.
Below is a link so you can educate yourself on Nigerian self defense laws.stop being ignorant.
[url]https://www.mondaq.com/nigeria/crime/1220858/self-defence-under-nigerian-law#:~:text=Self%20Defence%20is%20a%20constitutionally,the%20defence%20of%20self%20defence.[/url]

1. Please make this easy for yourself oga. How would you explain to a 14 years old kid to respect her rapist and defend herself at the same time?
If a group of 13 years girls ask you, how can we show respect to a rapist what would be your answer.
Let's make it that simple so a 13 years old can understand.

Aemmyjah:
1. Where are the local stats? What does a woman carry in her bag besides make up, money, etc. Is your wife and daughter armed with weapons? Sometimes, you reason before you type and you reason what you type before you click on submit. Whenever your wife goes out, is she always armed? Where do rapists always attack women and which places have women resisted them with weapons? 🤷‍♂️

2. Read the article again. If a robber attacks you and asks you to kneel when he has a gun, you will yield. If he asks you to address him as sir, you will yield. If he asks you to shut up, you will yield. If he asks you to shoot your wife, you won't likely yield. That's the difference between respect and cooperation. Read the article and see the experience of how the women treated those men respectively but still did not yield to their improper desires

3. You no de read news oga. Go and rest. A woman who kills a rapist in USA is tried. I can't even find the link to show you

1. If you said, the JW law only applies to countries where women are not capable of defending themselves then we would understand.
Also I have a friend who defended herself from a rapist with a knife in Nigeria. She was not raped. So even in Nigeria, women and girls can defend themselves.

2. You are still yet to outline how a woman should respect her rapist. The example of my friend above, was she being disrespectful in threatening the rapist with the knife? What constitutes respect when a girl is being raped.

3. I don't act on hear say. I give you links and stories you can verify.
I don't deal on beer parlor news. If the incident you mentioned was reported by the news, you would be able to share a link.
Now, I am not saying that a woman can't go to jail for killing her rapist but that is only possible if it can be proven that she did not absolutely need to kill him to defend herself.
The idea that you can't find your links but you act so rude about it is disappointing. Don't you realize that it's up to you and not me to find your links?
I gave you the example of Kyle Rittenhouse a guy who killed 2 men in self defense in the year 2020. Below is the link. I expect the same amount of respect and responsibility from you. You can't just tell me to go and rest or try to force your unfounded opinions on me. You want girls to respect their rapists but let's begin by respecting ourselves.
[url]https://lawansweronline.com/frequently-asked-legal-questions/illegal-to-kill-someone-in-self-defence/#:~:text=Yes!,the%20Right%20to%20private%20defence.&text=Section%2096%20to%20106%20provides,grievous%20hurt%20to%20the%20person.[/url]

EmperorCaesar:


To obidients Sonature1,Bobloco,Mrvitalis,Kettykin and co this isnt a propaganda as per say na negative news

But if this was a positive news from Bloomberg, IMF or Worldbank, they would tell u its propaganda as if PBAT could even bribe those international organization to write in the favor of his government

These guys tendency towards negative thinking, bribery and corruption is out of the world

Your problem shouldn't be with the Obidients. It should be with your evil leaders. Learn to choose your enemies. The Obidients are not the reason for the hunger and poverty in your land

EreluRoz:
He remains the best among those that contested the election, maybe any other would have been better but they were not on the ballot. Times are hard for Nigerians but I believe there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Saying light is at the end of the tunnel does not make it so. We are moving in the same direction but somehow you believe you are heading to light.
Please what are some of the policy changes that would help lift us out of poverty? What is the present administration doing better than the last?
Stop fooling yourself.
After telling us for 8 years that Buhari was the next best thing after sliced bread, do you think Tinubu has any better to offer?

EreluRoz:
Others wouldn't have done better, this is the bitter truth. We are not ready for the true change, you can't go and repackage a renowned thief and turn him to an overnight messiah and expect Nigerians to support him. Like I said we are all not ready for a true change.

The idea that others wouldn't have done better is dumb and lazy.
Only an idiot would believe that these are the best leaders we can offer

Aemmyjah:
You have a poor understanding of what is respect. Respect does not mean cooperation. You also need common sense in showing someone respect. Use of force or not will not stop a determined rapist. I have read a report of how a woman killed someone who wanted to rape her and she was sentenced to jail. She pleaded guilty. Similar things happen
There are also many who have become safer by fighting a robber but here, they come back to you and more determined. Both are crimes
Respect and cooperation does not stop one from being killed either. We have seen such cases in robberies and kidnap. If your child is kidnapped, and the kidnappers call you, will you not respect them with the way you talk to them even though you hate them so much? If you are in a kidnappers den, you'll likely respect them and cooperate with them for the sake of your own life. In robberies, kidnap, rape, etc, where the intended victims use force amd fight them, the success rate is very little. I'm not condoning all these crimes tho but common sense is also applied to save a woman but nothing is guaranteed

You said some things that are very wrong and I would educate you
1. Every year 100s of thousands of rapes are prevented because the women are armed or are able to defend themselves. I have already shown you studies to that effect.

2. You say respect does not mean cooperation. It's good you are telling me what respect doesn't mean but you seem not to be able to explain how a woman should respect a rapist.
Please give me practical ways in which women are expected to show their rapists respect

3. Lastly, I can understand that different countries have different laws. I remember sometime ago in the UAE, a woman was sentenced to death for killing her boss who wanted to rape her.
But in the advanced world, eg Europe and America, no woman is jailed for self defense even if the criminal dies.

Do you remember the case of Kyle Rittenhouse who killed 2 men in self defense?
In the US, you are allowed to kill your attacker. It's the same in the UK and Euro zone.

I can give you more instances if you want.

India is a third world country but here is a link to their self defence law.

[url]https://lawansweronline.com/frequently-asked-legal-questions/illegal-to-kill-someone-in-self-defence/#:~:text=Yes!,the%20Right%20to%20private%20defence.&text=Section%2096%20to%20106%20provides,grievous%20hurt%20to%20the%20person.[/url]

Aemmyjah:
1. First, the guy is known for sharing multiple shots. This time around, he only shared one to fool you and make you think that respecting means giving in to them by opening legs. You agreed until you read the article yourself. Why did he not share the entire thing.

2. There are experiences yet but what is the success rate? Many guys even come back more determined and rape her and kill her. A girl killed one and she's still in jail

3. Go and read the article. This time, with understanding

You ask about the success rate and I have given links to educate you on the matter. A girl is more likely to be safe is she defends herself and does not allow her rapist to have his way.
I am very open to your sources if you disagree with the links I presented to you.
Again for a sensitive topic like rape, don't you think we should be more plain so that even the most stupid person can understand?
You guys are not doing a good job in explaining what you mean by asking girls to show respect to their rapists.
I feel you should be much more clear here so that even the dumbest girl in such a circumstance would know exactly what to do.
Let me make it easy for you. Please state 3 to 5 things a girl should do when faced with a rapist and 3 to 5 things she shouldn't do.

Aemmyjah:
What is respect if I may ask?
Respecting someone does not mean you give in to their requests or needs. If a robber were to come to your house with guns, you'll respect him even if you hate him and what he intends to do. If he asks you to kneel, you'll kneel, some even asks that you pray. Why do people address them as sir even if the age galll can be huuuuuge? It's cos they are scared of their lives and hope that the little respect will soften their hearts. What did Jesus even say about that in his sermon?
If you start to resist them, insult them, call them thieves, your chances of survival is very little. If a robber is 8 year old and is holding a gun and asks me to raise my hands up or kneel, I'll likely respect him and do that. What if he asks me to slap or shoot my spouse as many robbers are doing? I won't do that
If you are noble-minded, you'll have study the article yourself and seen facts and experiences but you want to bury your head in the sand and allow these guys to wash your head. It's your choice. Two or 3 women gave experiences in that article. The rapists did not rape them cos of how this women respected them. One even opened the door for her to go away and one commended her that a white woman has never given him such respect on how she looked at him. One of them when the rapist was determined threaten to scream and she did. That article should have interested you to read but you can't give a lamp to a blind man so keep listening to liars. That liar is known for releasing scores of screenshots. He has seen that there's nothing implicating in the article but he won't just share the full story cos he's a miserable liar.

Tell us what your organization tells you to do when a woman is faced with a rapists. She should start speaking in tongues shey? Kabash skelebe maradonaldinho

You are right, I would cooperate with an armed robbery so he does not shoot me. That's common sense.
But on the other hand, respect or cooperation would not stop a woman from being raped.
Most women that ended up not being raped did so because the fought and resisted not because the showed respect.
A rapist is not looking for respect.
Many women have pleaded and begged yet they ended up being raped.
Below is a study from the university of Oregon on women who defended themselves vs those who could not.
https://cascade.uoregon.edu/spring2013/social-sciences/are-women-safer-when-they-learn-self-defense/
Women are safer when they learn to fight back and not when they show respect.

Aemmyjah:
When you can't draw up reasonable conclusion for yourself
Atleast, I hope you see that it's not what that liar wanted you to believe - that respecting a rapist means opening legs for him.
Truth is whether you treat him respectfully or harshly, you scream or threaten to report to the police or even hold out a weapon, there's nothing now that can free anyone from rapists but treating them harshly will make things worse. Imagine a woman daring a rapist to touch her! Rape is actually a pandemic that affects human society but in your own eyes, your caged view, you are only looking at one set of people

First, the guy you claim was being dishonest was actually not. He was sharing the same links and quoting from the same material as you.
Secondly, you claim that even pointing a weapon at a rapist wouldn't free one from him. First this is completely false.
A woman is far less likely to be raped if she is armed. I personally know a girl that was saved because she had a knife.
For more knowledge, below is a link for you.
https://www.johnsgymatx.com/2019/04/women-self-defense-statistics/
Now, are you teaching your women and girls not to fight with rapist but to show respect? Please can we create a new thread for this. It's a very important topic and we should give it a thread of its own. What do you think?

Aemmyjah:
You refuse to see the clarification for yourself and even the experiences but it's ok
Many people love lies tho and would rather bury their head in the sand than find fact for themselves

I think you are not getting.
The example of a girl that escaped rape is but an exception.
On a general, a rapist would not desist just from hearing a few words from a girl.
I honestly need to know, what your organization tells girls about rape and how you treat rape victims.
Telling them to respect the rapist is not enough to protect them.

Aemmyjah:
A reasonable person would read the entire article for himself instead of dancing to the songs of fools

You made me read the entire article and it only brought up more questions than answers.

Courz:
You were even lenient by mentioning a 16 year old. There is a reason why we call it Child Sexual abuse. The cases in JW involves mostly minors from 3 years of age and a couple of teenagers.

In that article, they are saying that when you treat a Rapist with respect, he won't rape you. Please, in what world does it ever happen that when you treat a Rapist with Respect and understanding where he is coming from, he will leave you alone? In what world or era? You can see the thought process of JW Leaders. They are not normal people. They give advice as if they don't live on earth. They are out of touch of Reality. It is very dangerous taking such advice in the name of Faithful and discreet Slave.

That's why I am afraid and I need more clarification from JW members. Would they blame a rape victim for not showing proper respect to her rapist?
How does a victim even get to show respect to her molester?
I really need to hear from them because this is disturbing.
For now let me just blame this on my lack of understanding. I need a JW member to explain what all these mean and I would love a JW female involved in this discussion

Janosky:
g84,2/22 The Awake Magazine said:
"Although a woman should NOT cower in fear and permit the rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandably,as a human being."


Meaning: Do NOT fear , do NOT be intimidated.
Use your number 6 when you are dealing with a rapist.

The statement in the Awake Magazine is very concise & practical advice to deal with the issue discussed.

If you can't understand it,go to court.
Or better still, consult a Shrink.

Lool always being funny.
First, you really mean you teach your women to have no fear when the are confronted by rapist?
So a powerful man is about to rape a 16 years old child and you advise is have no fear and show him respect.
I asked about how do JW women show respect to their rapist and this was the answer you gave.
Please if there is a more intelligent JW out there, could you please educate us on how JW women are supposed to show respect to their rapists.

Aemmyjah:
See the full truth and experience for yourself
It's not hard to see a lie

I read your story but not still sure the point you are trying to make.
I honestly can't recall what was written in the first place so I am not getting context for your write-up.
All I see from your write-up is a woman sharing her near rape experience.
I suggest we begin by discussing what it means for a woman to show respect to her rapist.
If we understand this then we all can move on. Personal, I don't think a woman should offer any kind of respect to her rapist but then explain so we can clear this up

Aemmyjah:
No
Was trying to clean the air based on how someone was trying to feed you with misinformation. He knew the truth and fed you with the lie. Basically, I was helping to give you facts ☺

We are still saying the same thing. Everyone thinks the other side is spreading misinformation.

Aemmyjah:
If someone is trying to present a document to you and says that document has something to implicate the other guy but the other guy says it's not true. Won't you get to know the fact by reading the entire document?

Let me ask, are you bringing up a new line of argument that we did not discuss the last time?
If it's a new argument then we can talk but first I can't even remember the arguments as they were presented the last time
That's why I suggested you create a new thread so we can start on a clean slate.

Aemmyjah:
No wam
About the rape thing
I wish you read the whole article yourself
The part you saw that said the intended victims should remember that rapists are human, it did not mean they should give in to them. That will be actually fornication. It meant how these women should address them so their words don't even create more problems for them. There are 2 different experiences there. Both preached to the rapists, neither were raped, neither consented, both prayed, one screamed when the rapist tried to use force. It's better you see the article than allow that phony liar fool you...
Since it's already a dead topic, forgive me pls but don't be misled by a liar

You are right, I never allow myself to be mislead.
I understand everyone feels the other party is lying so honestly, I understand how you feel.

Aemmyjah:
I addressed the matter I read at the time
I hope you checked the link and were able to see the facts yourself about the rape stuff

If you addressed the matter at the time, then I don't see a need for this. I have been too busy to check the links but you can tell me what it's all about as I have not gone back to read what our discussion was about.
Please give me so background so I can get to speed

10mobile:
Hmmm! I've always seen selling crude as bad economic practice by helpless countries that can't refine or with low refining capacity. That's because no amount seems justifiable for the numerous crude by-products sold away. So, I'm surprised US also sells crude.

No no no, not true. Even if it's only the employment that the refinery would provide, it's an advantage. No one should think that Dang's refinery is an economic magic wand that will suddenly wave off all our economic woes. But it's certainly not a disadvantage.

After all, we're already import-dependent. So, importing crude isn't what will put more pressure on the Naira. Rather, when we refine in Nigeria, we have all the by-products for local use and re-export which would help us recover any loss in forex due to import.

The situation in Nigeria is really bad. But it's certainly not all bad. Of course, it's never all bad anywhere. As we keep the government on its toes, let's also try to see the silver linings for the sake of our sanity as a people. Thanks.

How do you keep the government on its toes? Have Nigerians ever been successful in keeping the government on its toes?
Let's not continue to use terms that really means nothing to the Nigerian people.

Aemmyjah:
Wisdom is really needed
I can tell you where to download it

Lemme give you a personal experience that happened last year
I helped someone to sell some fowls in the market and each time we sell, the neighbors would insult me, throw stone at me and do everything to provoke the customer to leaving, something that would have led to a fight if it were other customers. These are hot headed guys that smoke too much . I just ignored him. He began to threaten me and brought out a machete and pointed towards me. I went somewhere first for few minutes until I was sure he's calm. I walked towards him and said 'Oga, I greet you sir. I don't know what I did to you but you sell your own and I did not talk even if you sell 100, i sell you, you start to do anyhow and threaten me. I may look young to you sir but listen, if you want to insult me, please do if that will make you feel good, it won't take anything away from me. But if you touch me, I will make a call and within 5 minutes, you will see people you have not seen before and they will take you where you have not been. I won't repeat myself again, just continue ". I was not being serious about it, I am not friend with any army man but I have 2 Commissioners numbers and other government officials I can call. The way I dress, speak and conduct myself at the market is not like Agbero. That man later came to greet me, bought me water, shared experiences with me and we joked. We shook hands anytime we pass each other until I stopped the sales.
That's an experience of a peaceable person that applies the Bible in every situation, not some. Our brothers living in places where shooting, crimes and kidnapping are rampant still show peace and don't own weapons whereas clergymen of Christendom and their stooge and shouting to own weapons. Jehovah's people don't fight. We don't follow the crowd

Please can you remind me what the topic was in the first place? It seems some of you guys have this incredible ability of bringing up topics that have already been over flogged. I can bet that if I engaged you, we would end up repeating the same things we said to each other last year.

If you have any topic you want us to address, I will be interested but when you dig up old and forgotten topics, I don't feel too willing to go back and start reading up just to remember what we were discussing.

In short, I am suggesting that we start on a clean sheet. Raise a topic and invite me to participate.
Thanks.

Eriggs:
You are telling a nairalander Bleep you? Cos you know there is no consequences for your uncouth and unruly online behavior
No be ur fault, this is what you and your fellow ip0bs have turned nairaland to.
Continue ooo

Keep talking about others uncouth and unruly online behavior while your gov continues to finish you.
It's only a fool that doesn't know his true enemies.
Ipob is not even among Nigeria's top 15 biggest problems.

BALLOSKI:
una own life revolve around going to slave it out in people's country.

And you pathetic life revolves around turning your country into a shit hole and then coming online to criticize those who are better than you.

AuthorMan:
You got them. All of these terrorists apologists are hypocrites.

They insult the US, Britain, Israel, the west but give them free Visa to Iran and Afghanistan that they are hailing, add money join, dem go reject am and even curse you join.
But let them see small opportunity to travel to US, UK or Canada and they will die dia.

Don't mind them

mundi111:
Point of correction get your facts right the kurds are fighting for their independence and they have the ability to move freely get help if they want and they are being backed by US so they can fight as much they want Syria is majorly being killed by US, ISRAEL with bomb and this attack for this page is actually targeted at the so called free syrian army they are being back by the US hence there loss of us army personnel and lastly Yemen again coalition of Saudi, US, UK, France, Germany and UAE and the other side has Iran s8jiupport and they can exit the border if they want so not the same with Palestine
But I was shocked you never mention Uyghur, Kashmir, Myanmar of even Ethiopia or Angola
And what do they all have in common yea USA so no they ain't killing themselves it the US that is killing thema

Oga on reading your post again, I see how misinformed you are.
Please can you explain how the US is responsible for the fate of the Uyghurs? Pls just google the Uyghur genocide before typing

Elsueno:
And who said I even like the garlic eating freaks who mostly think they are superior to all others?

The only people that tolerate our nigga a## are the Americans, U.Ks & canada!....But u see Isrealis, Arabs(especially d ones in Africa)...omoh those guys hate us niggers like shyt

We hate ourselves even more than they hate us. That's why we continue to vote for men like Tinubu and Buhari

mundi111:
Point of correction get your facts right the kurds are fighting for their independence and they have the ability to move freely get help if they want and they are being backed by US so they can fight as much they want Syria is majorly being killed by US, ISRAEL with bomb and this attack for this page is actually targeted at the so called free syrian army they are being back by the US hence there loss of us army personnel and lastly Yemen again coalition of Saudi, US, UK, France, Germany and UAE and the other side has Iran support and they can exit the border if they want so not the same with Palestine
But I was shocked you never mention Uyghur, Kashmir, Myanmar of even Ethiopia or Angola

Oga you know nothing about the Kurds and their suffering in 3 Muslim countries including the biggest chemical weapon attack ever.
If you are a true Muslim you will be writing about them but as long as the bombs are not coming from Israel, Turkey is allowed to murder Kurds in Iraq and Syria

Elsueno:
Iran jare!, Why would I willingly go to a country who deliberately massacre innocent women & kinds & relish in starving millions of innocent palastineins!

In Isreal, they don't even call blacks niggers, THEY CALL US MONKEYS

To say I vehemently dislike the isrealis is an understatement

Do you know what your Arab brothers call blacks.
They call you Abeed. Slave.

nyabinghi:
Nigerian civil war, only 3 million igbos died

Yes oh just 3 million

mundi111:
This is only reinforcing your stance as just a hater nothing more because you actually know the truth but you are too blinded by your hatred for Muslims that you will justify anything just to kill them anywhere in the world

Let's talk about hatred of Muslims. How come no one is cries about the Kurds, or the many killed in Syria or Yemen.
It's okay when Muslims kill Muslims in the millions but when Israel kills 500, you call it a genocide