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paxonel:
very correct

2. We are not in a 3rd covenant.very correct

Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.
please correct me if i am wrong
no!
revelations are not restricted to new covenant or religion.
Revelation can be in science, technology, according, commerce and every spheres of knowledge.

I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.
Our salvation is far more importance that our science achievement what are we saved for?
Is it not for us to live forever according to how God created Adam and Eve from the on-set, and replenish the earth as instructed by God when he created mankind from the beginning? Genesis 1:28

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul. but we are not loosing our soul.
We have been bought through Christ.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Oh, you don't know that we have been translated already?

That is the structure of religion I am talking about that Paul preached that our current day pastors have failed to preach


But then we are mostly on the same page.

So as children of God, we are saved to inherite the promises of Christ not merely to live forever.
We are co-heirs with Christ. So again I know you are wrong when you said science based revelations are of equal importance as the revelations of the spirit. Remember your Bible talks about the difference between the canal mind and the spiritual mind. The reward of the greatest scientist is nothing compared to that of the ignorant illiterate who keeps the commandments of God.
Finally, please explain what Paul preached that no present day pastor is preaching.
Remember, you don't expect 2 different servants of God to have exactly the same message.

Dtruthspeaker:
And I am saying that if you are able to appreciate that the way Revelation ended, it is clear for any reasonable person to see that God has Said His all and would definitely not be speaking again as He has already stated everything we need.

Explain. Where did He say that he has said all he had to say and would definitely not be speaking again.
Please feel free to quote the Bible. I noticed you are not too good at quoting from it. You prefer to express personal opinions.

paxonel:
Every Christians are equally servants of God

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, God can reveal himself to any Christian, not just only pastors .
As a matter of fact, revelations of God is not restricted to Christians alone or the religion circle alone to reveal.
God encompasses everything we can perceive with our five senses.

Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein.

There are so many unbelievers, atheists, Muslims and even idolaterers fornicators, drunkards, whom God had used in time past, without them knowing that it was God that gave them the ability to reveal great discoveries in science, technology, medicine, art, graphics, economics, accounting, entertainment etc
No!

whatever category of revelation be it in religion, science, art, entertainment, commerce, etc, they are all equally important.
No one is superior or inferior to the other.

The same was applied to bible days.
During the medieval era when most of the biblical events occurred, we have heard of people like Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Alexander the Great and a lot of great characters of the Greek mythology.
They did not stop the revelation of John about Jesus Christ we have read in the bible.

The difference is that, our modern day revelations and discoveries are much more better due to advancement in education, science and technology. Only that religion has become backward due to dogmatism.
God speaks to everyone in their own little way.
If a pastor, educator or even parents is privileged to guide another person then it should be done through knowledge and understanding.
Gone are the days God will reveal things to people in vision and in dreams like we saw in the book of revelation. You have to acquire knowledge which is the greatest power.
I can tell that most pastors today are knowledgeable people. Examples are pastor Adeboye, pastor David Oyedepo, pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Bishop Wale Ajayi etc.

I don't think that there is any servant of God in the bible that has ever attend the kind of vast knowledge and understanding possessed by these modern day pastors and ordinary Christians like me and you living today.
Only that, servants of God in bible like Paul, Peter, James and John understood the structure of religion and work with it.
And us today, inspite our vast knowledge, revelations and wisdom in literacy and reading books, our pastors keep confusing themselves our simple structure of religion, and that isn't good for us, and is largely responsible for the confusions we have in religion today.
No!
It's still the same covenant Christ came with

You said so much but let me summarize what I understood.
1. God's revelations today don't have a lesser value than those in the bible.
2. We are not in a 3rd covenant. Every revelation given today is a new testament revelation.
Please correct me if I was wrong.
I only disagree with you in one instance. A science based revelation is not of equal importance as a revelation about salvation.
Our salvation is far more importance that our science achievement.
What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.
But then we are mostly on the same page.

Dtruthspeaker:
Common sense would have told you that the Deuteronomy and Revelations Commandments refer to man not adding or removing God's Word.

But that does not block God from adding/removing His Word.

Which is why the prophets added to Deuteronomy by saying God Said it aka "Thus Said The Lord' until Johns own version of Thus Said The Lord, where God tells us everything about the end of this world as earlier prophecied by other prophets.

And common sense would have told you that no one speaks after the end has been given.

Oga if you had any sense you would have read and understand that I was never talking about man adding to God's words but God revealing himself to man even after the bible.
Again, where is it written that revelations is the end of God's word.
Is it written that God would stop revealing his words after the book of revelations.
Please explain and stop acting like a 15 years old heart broken girlfriend.
You are too old for this childishness.

paxonel:
to be frank with you, i don't know one revelation that was given to pastor Adeboye, that's why i say you should mention one.

For you to start saying that there was revelation given to pastor Adeboye, that means you have heard about the revelation?
So why don't you say it?

I used him as an example. But to understand you better, are you saying that God no longer reveals Himself to his servants?

Now if he does, are his present day revelations in anyway inferior to those in the bible? I hope these are clear enough questions for you now.

Maybe you should address them in this order

1. Does God still speak to his servants in present day?
2. Are his words to them inferior to those given to his servants in the bible?
3. Does his present revelations constitute a 3rd covenant?
I would appreciate your direct and honest answers.
Thanks.

Nukilia:
Abuse of currency is a punishable offence that must not be taken lightly

Oya call police. Naira wey no get level.

RenaissanceGuy:
Students that would graduate and start looking for paid jobs or the ones that will put what they studied in practice, creating jobs in the process, just as it's in developed countries?? What Nigeria needs is not more universities, it's aggressive industrialisation. In fact, let's even begin with the easiest—agricultural industrialization, which can turn Nigeria into a developed country within 25 years!

No county ever became developed via agriculture. Not even one.

OgaNightmare:
The book is a combined effort of several scholars. It contains the history of how the Judeo-Christian religious writings of the 1st and second century A.D became part of the Bible you have today.

Does it explain why the bible did not continue after the book of Revelations? Because no one seems to be addressing the question

paxonel:
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Take note of the emboldened.
The revelation of John was specifically centred on Jesus Christ that's why it was documented in the bible.

If you are saying that pastor Adeboye's revelation for example, should also be documented in the bible, then mention one example of any such kind of Adeboye's revelation that he has revealed that is worth included in the bible.
Is that too difficult?

I have never said anyone's revelations should be added in the bible. I really don't know where you got that one from. Why should we include any pastors revelations in the bible. The bible was complied 100s of years ago. I don't see the benefit of constantly adding new books to the bible. Please let's not get distracted. No one ever mentioned adding new passages to the bible.
Now back to my questions sir. Are the revelations of God to Paul of a higher grade than those given to pastor Adeboye.
And does the revelations given to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

paxonel:
I cannot answer your question until you specify one example of revelation given to local pastors.
All the revelations in the bible are being specified, you know them.

So, i can't answer your question until you do the needful.
No one can answer your question either until you specify

What do you mean by specify? Please explain.
Each pastor or each man of God is entitled to his own revelations so when you say specify, what really do you want me to do? Do you want me to mention a pastor's name.
If that is the case, is God's revelations to Pastor Adeboye of a lower grade to his revelations to Paul the apostle?
And does God's revelations to Adeboye constitute a 3rd covenant?

rottennaija:
BREAKING:

⚡️Thousands of Israelis demonstrate to demand the release of prisoners in #Gaza.

The #Israeli Broadcasting Corporation (official) reported that thousands demonstrated on Kaplan Street in central Tel Aviv, to demand the release of prisoners in Gaza.

What they are not told is that their army killed hundreds of their relatives with Apache helicopters on October 7th firing into the crowd and into the cars of the hostages as they were being transported to Gaza by Hamas.

Another thing that the new Hitler, Benjamin Netanyahu, is not telling them is that the Israeli military killed 60 of those hostages in a massive bombing of hospitals in Gaza.

And one last thing that Benjamin doesn't tell them is that all the hostages will die in the bombings if all the Hamas fighters die. It is a reality.

The only way to release the hostages alive is a ceasefire and negotiations. And obviously, in order for that to happen, the Israelis will have to carry out a coup d'état and hand Benjamin over to trial for war crimes.

See this one. You think Israel is Chad republic right?
Israel is a true democracy so forget your coup d'état wet dream.

OsunOriginal:
Biden and his cohorts seem to have lost their voices after seeing the anger on the streets of the world's capital cities (in the west, asia, middle east, and even Africa) against the ongoing holocaust ironically spearheaded by Israel in Gaza.

Biden must not abandon Natanyahu in the middle of battle with babies, childrens, women, etc. More bombs should be shipped to Natanyahu

Lool
Are you writing to Biden from Nairaland? Oga which weed are you smoking?

paxonel:
first covenant waa Abrahamic covenant, hence the old testament was written to Israelites.
Second covenant was that of Christ, hence the new testament was written and added.
So, if there is any necessity to add to the bible, then there must be a third covenant perhaps of the local pastor adding to the bible, not of Christ.

Whether the revelations in bible are anymore important than that of Local pastors?
We already know the revelations in the bible.
Let's hear that of local pastors and compare it with that of the bible. The revelations of the bible will always be superior. while that of the local pastors will never stand a chance, therefore will not possibly added to the bible

Now to the question I asked, since you believe that God words are of different grades, with those found in the bible of a higher grade than those he gives to your local pastor, do you have any verse in the bible that says so or is it just your opinion?
Again if it's your opinion, I will respect it but I prefer you quote the word of God to show that any revelation he give that isn't recorded in the bible is of a lower quality.
Secondly, can you show where it was written that the new covenant ended with the book of Revelations. If the new covenant isn't over then and revelation God gives today is a new testament revelation. Or do you think that the bible ended the covenant of God?

paxonel:
OK,
it's not bible reference.
Most African traditions believe that.
They put it that the voice of man can also be the voice of God in some circumstance. Especially in parental advice.
And this has proven right in most cases since parents were usually experienced in life, compared to their children.
so, what revelation do God give to these men of God that will warrant it to be written in a bible,
Revelation about a third covenant?

So I am talking 100% from a Christian point of view. I really don't know so much about African traditional religion.

No revelation should be added to the bible, the bible is already a collection of its own.
But the question is, are the revelations in the bible any more important that the revelations given to your local pastor?
And what do you mean when you talk about a third covenant?

Realist777:
God ain't got country man!
You religious people are evil

And you nonreligious people are holy right?
Stop being stupidity judgmental.

paxonel:
Revelations of what exactly, science or religion?
Because the book of revelation centred on Christ and nothing else
You saw my question that the emphases were pertaining to the resurrection of Christ right?
So, why are you ignoring that?
there are various ways God speaks to people.
For instance, if a child goes astray and his parent speaks to him, it ia believed that God is speaking to the child through his parents, there is nothing new about that
no!
wrong assumption.

I think I have already said that other books have their relevance.
For instance, I believe that that God inspired scientists to write their books too.
So, the relevance of a science book is science, and that of the book of revelation is Christ.
So, i can't possibly say that a science book is of lower quality, seeing that what a science book seek to address has no bearing for comparison with the book of revelation.

Hence, the question i asked you, do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to Christ?

I don't expect you to mention a science book or any book that is irrelevant of Christ

First, parents correcting a child is not the same as God speaking to the child. I would love to see where you got that from. A bible reference would do.

Secondly, I am not speaking about scientific instructions or revelations. I am speaking specifically about revelations from men of God.
Revelations relating to things of God and holiness.
Do you think that God no longer gives such?
And if He does, are they in anyway inferior to those found in the bible?

slickbak:
From my study of history, the above listed are a reflection of the highest levels of societal civilization at that time.
1. Slave labour replaced by machines
2. Genocide and war crimes are still happening in less developed societies but as a result of the insatiable human need for control and power.
3. Underage marriage was and is prevalent because in old institutions and the “backward” institutions of the present, there was/is no formal education to inform girls to think independently before marriage.


My 2 kobo

So you don't think these are moral questions?
You don't think as a Christian it's sinful to own slaves?
Or you don't think God cares about that?

paxonel:
do you know any book as relevant as the bible pertaining to the death and resurrection of Christ?

Mention it let's see

The question isn't about books, it's about God's revelations. You should be asking if God has spoken again to mankind since after the book of revelations.
You seem to believe that everything God said outside the compiled books in the bible is of less quality. And I need to know if you have scriptures to back that up or if it's just your opinion.

slickbak:
I’m not saying I’m right but I think the Bible is a cumulation of historical fact relevant to christianity. Thus, our current times as christians will be part of this history for generations unborn.

You may be right but there are some moral questions not answered in the bible such as
1. Slavery
2. Genocide and war crimes
3. Marrying underaged girls
Today we see all these as sins but maybe not in bible times. Don't you think that God's revelations are needed now just as in bible times?

paxonel:
your question says as relevant as the bible.

Other books have their own relevance, but not as relevant as the bible pertaining to his new covenant

So let's get what you are saying,
You mean God's words have grades? Grade 1, the bible and grade 2, his words outside the bible.
Is this your personal opinion or are you speaking for God?
If it's your opinion, I respect it but then we need to know that it's just you.

Does the bible teach against marrying minors?
Did christians in other centuries marry girls younger than 18? Is it immoral to do so?

paxonel:
no other book

But you just said God continued to reveal even after the bible? Sir which side are you on. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth, You agree that God spoke to people outside of the bible but according to you, what he said to them is not as relevant as what he said to the people in the bible. Is that your opinion or God's?

Felimax:
Go and study your Bible very well. Love is the summary of it all.

Where love is abundant those vices you mentioned will expire.

Not really sir. Many of the vices mentioned above were practiced in bible times. The apostles even casted lots? The moral question of gambling was not addressed.
Again questions like marrying underaged was never addressed in the bible.

OgaNightmare:
It handles the question you raised that is why I recommend it

This is a platform for many. Share your ideas first then recommend. We can't have interest in reading the book unless you give us a reason to. Hope you understand my point here. You book may have all the answers but you need to properly introduce it to us.

paxonel:
Exactly!
And every other person God spoke to after then, is not included again in the bible.

So in short' are there other books or revelations as relevant as the bible? If yes, please mention them.

The bible answers most questions about good and bad but there seems to be some areas where the bible is silent or not perfectly clear.
Here are a few examples.
1. Slavery
2. War crimes
3. Gambling
4. Consumption of intoxicants
You can add to the list.
What do you think.

paxonel:
no one is saying the new covenant ended with revelation.
Rather, the point is, revelation ended with John who wrote it , but the n useew covenant continues.

Yes my point is, how do you know that revelations ended with John. The idea that John is the last person God spoke to is not biblical or is it? Unless you mean that the very book of revelations ended with John.
Please indicate if what you wrote are just your opinions or if it's based on the word of God.
Maybe we should start by answering, what is a revelation?

AbuTwins:
I agree Moses heard but that John ehn!

Anyone can pick and choose what to believe but that is not the point here.
The questions I am asking are?
Did God stop speaking to man at some point?
If so, why? And if not, does his words spoken in modern times have the same impact as in times of old?

alphonsojaybaz:
source: https://eyesoflagos.com/2023/11/12/see-vital-reasons-why-your-paper-bible-is-better-phone-bible/

You wrote this long article just to sell your personal agenda.
Do you think God cares which you use? Teach the word of God and stop these arguments that don't help. This is just a Messi is better than Ronaldo debate.

AbuTwins:
What did they hear from God?
Many pastors have been hearing from God too.
Infact the last election was really a disgrace that won't be forgotten easily.

They heard the word of God as written in the scriptures.
And yes we have false prophets but that's not the topic for now.

paxonel:
That Christ should restore life back to mankind which was lost when Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning. 1 Cor 15:22
the book of Revelation is part of the new testament which is also part of the new covenant that commences from the book of Acts of the Apostles down to the book of Revelation
So long these Christians started being Christians from the book of Acts of the Apostles, they all have covenant with God

Good so you and I can't decide that the book of revelations ended the covenant. Only God can make such pronouncement.
Since the writings continued after the death of Christ, why did you decide that covenant abruptly ended after the book of revelations?
Or is it written anywhere?

Dtruthspeaker:
Please now let it me go for the more I keep talking the more you keep thinking I am insulting you whereas you lack the common sense to know that when a person stops talking, it clearly means that he has said all he wished to say even if he does not say "I have finished talking".

It's simple ordinary common sense but your generation obviously lack it. Damn many parents should answer for this evil.

You are right, you should go and leave the space for intelligent people who don't insult to cover up their ignorance and stupidity.
I showed you a verse in Deuteronomy which I am certain you have never come across because you pastor has not shown it to you.
Proud ignoramus.