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MaxInDHouse:
The Kingdom of God mentioned to a member of the Jewish high court like Nicodemus totally differs from the kingdom of God mentioned to gentiles or common Jews.

It's like telling a prominent politician in Nigeria: "You will be part of Nigerians"
Do you think he will assume you're talking about just being a subject citizen in Nigeria?
Of course not he will be anticipating being part of those in authority (Abuja)
That's what Nicodemus had in mind and Jesus made him to understand that it's not by being just a Jew or member of the Jewish High Court as most Jews presumed

When Jesus mention God's Kingdom for others who aren't prominent politicians among the Jews he meant members of the corulers with Christ that's why he told a prominent politician to sell everything he has before he can enter God's kingdom {Luke 18:18-23} Jesus never said this to any other person because to gain citizenship in God's kingdom we have to acknowledge the role of those who will rule with Christ, this ones he referred to as his brothers! Matthew 25:31-46

Jesus promised to take his corulers to heaven {John 14:1-3} where angels live so just as the inhabitants of Abuja are part of those under the Nigerian government angels in heaven are also members of God's family and just as the taken of Nigeria's government house was taken to Abuja the same way God's kingdom government house was taken away from Jerusalem to heaven but that doesn't mean all Nigerians must go to Abuja neither does it mean that inhabitants of Abuja must leave the place for the corulers with our president.

So God's Kingdom has two destinations:

Heavenly government house where Christ and his corulers will stay.

Paradise Earth where billions of obedient mankind will stay enjoying the benefits of God's kingdom.

Jesus Christ never said he has 2 different kingdoms.
Clearly your organization is not fit for the kingdom.
I understand you wish that there are 2 different kingdoms of God but no there is Just one kingdom.
But if you have any verse teaching that we have 2 kingdoms of God, I will believe you.
Over to you sir
Don't get me wrong, I totally enjoyed the example you gave with Nigeria but it was totally irrelevant.
If you can't produce a verse that teaches about 2 different kingdoms of God, then you are again giving you opinion and depending on guesswork.

achorladey:
I know you are familiar with his sly marketing strategies regarding that.

You can't force a bad product on everyone.

Padipadi:
Hmm!
If you choose not to be dancing (which was originally to be praising God). Cos the psalmist I mean King David or brother David used it to get closer to God. So that's why dancing is allowed. However, moderation is required.
About tithing, it's a thing of conviction. It's part of the law at various time in old testament to pay it. Logically, it's right.
However, if you wan open debate on tithing, enter the fp. There's one topic there that I posted on its first page about tithing.
But pls be very truthful in ya response cos I m one of those pastors that doesn't entertain heresy!
I fit slap sense into ya head!
Mi o Raye shît!

Oga if you think the purpose of the church is dancing and tithe and not salvation, I have nothing to say to you. We are on two different journeys.

Padipadi:
Which product you wan buy o?
Secondly, has any church ever told you they can't lead you to kingdom of God?
And do you want to enter the kingdom of God?
Do you even reason Christianity at all?

Yes, Jesus set up his Church to lead men to his kingdom. That is the sole purpose of the church. The purpose of the church is not to dance and pay tithe but to lead men to salvation.

Padipadi:
tctrills and MaxInDHouse, una don try.

MaxInDHouse is trying to advertise his church to me but his church openly admit that they can't lead anyone to the kingdom of God. It's a bad product and I am not buying it.

Lovemeharder:
Yes most are paid.

How about the choir

MaxInDHouse:
You're misconstruing the whole thing but then you've made up your mind so wait for those who knows God and Jesus.

However God's kingdom is the goal of his people what you're demanding belongs only to God even Jesus can't grant it to anyone apart from the apostles whom God has said will form the 12 foundation stones of the new Jerusalem {Revelations 21:14} they are the ones to start the 144,000 members of corulers with Christ {Revelations 14:1} they are not just Israelites as most of you have been taught the original twelve tribes of Israel {Exodus 1:1-4 compare to Revelations 7:5-8} they are called spiritual Israel or new Jerusalem they supposed to rule with Christ in Jerusalem but since the city has been profaned with the killing of God's prophets {Matthew 23:37-38} and finally they disowned their God's anointed King who is the Messiah {Matthew 27:24-25 compare to John 19:12-18} that's what Jesus foresaw before promising his corulers that it will no longer be only Israelites that will join in ruling with him {Luke 13:29} so the gentiles who are supposed subjects in God's kingdom will become part of the ruling class or first class while many Jews will be under their rule {Luke 13:30; Matthew 19:30; Mark 10:31} Jesus promised this ruling class that they will be taken to heaven because that is where their government house will be! John 14:1-3

So if we tell you that it's not all righteous people that are going to heaven that's the truth God never purposed for humans to live in heaven it's the rulership of God's kingdom that was taken away from Jerusalem that made that possible and it's only Christ's corulers that are going there among these ones even Jesus has no say about who will be part of them it only belongs to God to select them! Matthew 20:20-23

That's what you're misconstruing saying God's organization won't lead members to God's kingdom, Paradise is going to be on planet earth and that's where subjects of God's kingdom will be while Christ's corulers will be in the spiritual realm ruling with him in heaven!

Sir you are the one who is failing to understand the word of God. If you notice, I did not mention going to heaven. I used the term, ' the kingdom of God'
Now the kingdom of God could be in heaven or even on earth.
In the Lord's prayer, it states, 'thy kingdom come'. The kingdom of God is simply a place where God has Sovereign.
Now to be part of God's kingdom, what is the qualification?

Jesus Christ answered this question.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
So it doesn't matter if the kingdom is on earth or in heaven, no one from your organization would be there.
Now if you are not part of God's kingdom, where would you be but outter darkness.

I hope you understand it now.

Persephone1:
Food is cheap in UK and even USA... Try buying anything outside food then you will know Nigeria isn't TOTALLY bad.

You need to eat before you start buying other things.
And many other things are cheaper in the US and UK.

MaxInDHouse:
Since you have a reason that sounds more important to you then i will implore you to wait for those who know God and Jesus better than the organization that's doing what Jesus called God's will!

God's will is that we all find eternal life that's why he sent His Son.

So it makes no sense to take advice from an organization that can't get me to my destination.
For me, it's the kingdom of God or nothing.
There are 2 options, the kingdom of God or the kingdom of darkness. There is no middle ground.
The organization you advertise have openly said that the are not interested in leading their members into the kingdom of God that's why I jump and pass.
If you claim to do God's will buy can't enter his kingdom, then you must be lying to yourself.
I don't follow people who are deceiving themselves.
I hope you understand.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus said all that as identifying mark or you just cooked it up presumptuously?

Ọmọ Jesus never said anything of that nature in fact he made us understand that people will say his disciples are teaching heresy {Matthew 1024-25} so it's not just by assumption that you can understand this but by humbly watching out for the group that is fulfilling what he said no matter what you think about them as long as you can't find a better performing group then stop disturbing your brain that is what the religious people among the Jews in the first century failed to notice, they were looking for fault against Jesus instead of asking "do we have any better teacher?" {John 6:68} they were looking for fault against the one and only teacher who is fulfilling what the prophesies said about the messiah. So if you can find a better performing group that's fulfilling what Jesus said about his friends no wahala but if you can't then stop deceiving yourself!

One more thing sir, if the kingdom of God is my goal, it only makes sense that I stay away from an organization that openly declares that they have no intention of making the kingdom of God. I can't depend on such an organization for interpretation of scripture.
I am sure we both agree here.

1TrippleCee:
Chai. Hard heartedness

One more thing Mr Hard heartedness, how do you understand these verses from your Bible

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus said all that as identifying mark or you just cooked it up presumptuously?

Ọmọ Jesus never said anything of that nature in fact he made us understand that people will say his disciples are teaching heresy {Matthew 1024-25} so it's not just by assumption that you can understand this but by humbly watching out for the group that is fulfilling what he said no matter what you think about them as long as you can't find a better performing group then stop disturbing your brain that is what the religious people among the Jews in the first century failed to notice, they were looking for fault against Jesus instead of asking "do we have any better teacher?" {John 6:68} they were looking for fault against the one and only teacher who is fulfilling what the prophesies said about the messiah. So if you can find a better performing group that's fulfilling what Jesus said about his friends no wahala but if you can't then stop deceiving yourself!

I am not sure I understand your point here. What is it I wrote that you have a problem with?
Jesus said only the born again can enter his kingdom so when you say Jesus said nothing if that nature, what are you even talking about.
Please be more expressive.
Note, everything I wrote is based on scripture so if you need references just ask and I will gladly present them to you.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a big fat lie!

If it's just about reading the Bible Jesus won't send out his friends to go and TEACH people how to become his friend {Matthew 10:11-13} note that after instructing them he added that anyone who refused to learn from them is doomed {Matthew 10:14-15} this was the order he gave his friends whom he sent to preach and teach among the Jews {Matthew 10:6} because they are the closest to salvation having the scriptures with them! John 4:22

So if the Jews needs to be taught how to know God and Jesus THOROUGHLY do you think anyone could just pick up the Bible and know these two persons easily?

Well Jesus didn't leave us in spiritual darkness he made it clear to us that it's easy to IDENTIFY his real friends who are to teach us:

They will have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} they will be active globally in the work he commissioned for them {Act 1:8} they will be peaceful everywhere you find them {Matthew 10:16} and they will be spoken of badly by all other religionists! Matthew 10:24-25

Now your salvation is in your hands!

So the new testament basically contains the words of those he sent out to preach. When you read the new testament, you read their very words right?
And yes, you are right we can identify those following Jesus Christ.
1. They do not teach manmade doctrine
2. They do not depend on guesswork in understanding and explaining the word of God.
3. They show love to all including the prodigal son.
4. They do not add new commandments that are not from God.
5. They can lead you to the kingdom of God. Please don't follow any group who's members know that they would never see the kingdom of God because they are not born again.
I believe we agree a lot on this one.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know those two persons in question?

God and Jesus.

Where they live, what they like, what they detests, who are their friends, how they often react to matters, what type of stranger they would likely make their friend.

Surely your salvation will be easier than anything else.

That's what Jesus meant by that statement at John 17:3

Ok, if that's the case then everyone that reads the bible knows these answers.
But do you really think that salvation is just being able to answer the questions you asked? That anyone who provides answers to your questions above would gain salvation?

MaxInDHouse:
During the investigation of Mohbad's death if the police ask you:

"Do you know Naira Marley?"

What will be your response?
YES! or NO!

You need to know why this is a sensitive question because saying "YES" will mean that if you're asked to tell where Naira Marley lives, what he likes, what he detests, how he often reacts to matters, where he loves going and his friends you should be able to give necessary details failure to do so will be taken as trying to hide sensitive information.

So apply the same to knowing God and Jesus!

So if someone ask if I know Bob Marley, I should say no?
Does knowing someone implies knowing everything about the person? I bet you don't know everything thing about your own kids, would you say you don't know your kids?

1TrippleCee:
Chai. Hard heartedness

It's not about Hard or soft heart. I just asked you to mention one verse in the bible that says no forgiveness after death.
I understand you have your options but let's not depend on our opinions. Let's learn from what God says.
Also, if there is no forgiveness at death, then why is the Gospel preached to those that are dead according to the bible?

Righthussle:
Let me tell you what will happen when you death. After you die, you will be buried and your body will decompose but when angel Gabriel will blow the golden trumpet you'll magically resurrect like a zombie and go for judgement. Your god will hold a 100 billion leaves book where names of people are written according to their country in alphabetical order. And you will be judged according to your deeds while alive. A very large LG television will be placed in front of you to see all your sinful actions. Don't ask how the LG will be powered, the sun will power it. And your god after watching all your sinful acts of this world will ask you in English language, Why did you commit all these sins? And he will ask for your tithe and offering records submitted to him by your daddy GOs to check how much you have given to the kingdom. Then your god will forgive all your sins except for the ones you committed against the holy ghost that has fire that Christians use to fire their enemies.

Then in the world to come that your god will create, there will be another Adam and Eve that will eat the forbidden fruit that your god will put in the garden again for there to be sin in that new world. He will wait patiently for them to eat the forbidden fruit so that he will curse the women of that world of labour pain during childbirth. And then he will send his son to die again for the sins of that world but his death will not cover for the sins committed against the holy spirit.


And when people..... to be continued

I respect your opinion sir

1TrippleCee:
Revelation 21:27: “But nothing unclean shall enter it…” The New Jerusalem – Heaven. Scriptural Principle #2 – nothing unclean, nothing with the stain of sin, will enter Heaven.

Matthew 5:48: “You, therefore, must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” That’s because of Principle #2 – nothing unclean will get into Heaven.

Hebrews 12:22-23: “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem… and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect…”

The spirits of just men, made perfect. Scriptural Principle #3 – there is a way, a process, through which the spirits of the “just” are “made perfect.”

1 Corinthians 3:13-15: “…each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day [judgment day] will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”

Where is this place that a man, after he dies, suffers loss, as through fire, but is still saved. Hell? No, once you’re in Hell, you don’t get out. Heaven? No, you don’t suffer loss in Heaven.

Matthew 12:32: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”

Sir, none of the verses you qouted say that forgiveness cannot come in the world to come.
For example, you quoted Matthew 5:48: “You, therefore, must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” That’s because of Principle #2 – nothing unclean will get into Heaven.
We both agree that no unclean thing can dwell with God but if you are forgiven, it means you are no longer unclean.
Please can you provide just a single verse that teaches that there is no forgiveness in the world to come?
If not, I would take this as a personal opinion.

1TrippleCee:
No sins will be forgiven after death. Not even one. If w single sin is found after death during evaluation by the angels in the hall of life review/judgement, it is straight into hell fire. Such a soul will be cast into

Is this your personal opinion or can you quote from scripture?

finallybusy:
No. I’m typing this from hell.

Congrats to you?

1TrippleCee:
Never

So when Jesus Christ says blasphemy against the Holy Ghost can't be forgiven in this world non in the world to come, does it mean that all sins too can't be forgiven in the world to come?

In Matthew 12, speaking about blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, Jesus Christ said in verse 32, 'And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.'

Does this mean that sins are also forgiven in the world to come? Does the world to come mean a life after death?
Who can receive forgiveness is the world to come?
What kind of sins are forgiven in the world to come?

Jeux:
I just read a post on romance section and it got me wondering if a school cert holder can be said to be educated .

You don't need Nairaland for everything. Please use your dictionary to answer this one.

Faiththatworks:
Isn't it too early for some people to start complaining and critising everything
Anyone who reads comments in this platform would think that Nigeria is collapsing
It seems there are some people who have decided to be bitter at every news in this country
When you repeatedly go online and start abusing everyone because no one sees you,you eventually become a sad,depressing and angry person.
Those that keep lying to themselves that they can separate their online personality which is always abusive and the lifes they live at home or at work are deceiving themselves
If they are not careful they will start suffering symptoms of being bipolar
Coming to the issue at hand,I daresay the government should go one step further and release what each state and local government has collected in the past six months
From the figures above,it is clear that the states and local government have collected more money combined than the Federal government but the question we should ask is what are they doing with all this money

Until our people learn to leave shouting Tinubu this Tinubu that and start asking serious questions from our State governors and Local Government Chairmen and women,I am sorry we are just going round in circles
A state like Delta state should be the Dubai of the south south with all the billions collected but the people there will leave their Governor and start shouting Tinubu
Na wah,our people have seriously brainwashed into thinking that all their problem is Tinubu while those local criminals are busy looting them blind
Tufiakwa!!!!!!

If almost 9 years of APC is too early for you then you need a doctor. Do you think it's too early for the thousands of Nigerians dying everyday because of bad governance?

In the book of John 17.3, we learn, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

If eternal life is the knowledge of God and Jesus Christ, then what does it mean to know God.

Do you know God from reading your Bible?
Do you know God by being a Christian?
How does one get to know God?

drezzyx:
Bible Question:
There is a scripture that says that God made us a
little lower than the angels. There is another
scripture that states that when we die, we are
equal to the angels. There is another scripture that
implies we are higher than the angels because God
made us in His image. Are we equal, lower, or
higher than the angels?
Bible Answer:
Scripture reveals that humans are made lower than
the angels when the book of Hebrews says that
Jesus Christ, who became a man, was made lower
than the angels.
YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE
WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS;
YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH
GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE
APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS
OF YOUR HANDS . . . Hebrews
2:7 (NASB)
In the first chapter of Hebrews, we are told that
Jesus was above the angels since He was and is
God. But Hebrews 2:7-9 explains that when Jesus
became a man, He was made lower than the
angels in the sense that He took on human flesh.
He was still God. He was God in human flesh. He
was temporarily lower than the angels because He
took on human form. Therefore, Hebrews 2:7-9
implies that humans are made lower than the
angels.
It is important to note that scripture never says
that we are equal to the angels. Scripture only
reveals that we are lower than the angels while we
live here on this earth. Yet, those who go to
heaven will some day judge angels.
Do you not know that we will judge
angels? How much more matters of
this life? 1 Corinthians 6:3 (NASB)
Some day those who believe in Jesus Christ and
follow Him will judge the angels. The saints of the
ages will judge the angels. This will occur not while
we are made of flesh and bone. It will occur only
after we receive our new heavenly bodies. This is a
future event that will occur during the millennial
kingdom which is the time that Christ will rule and
reign as king (Zechariah 14:9-21). In the sense that
Christians will judge angels, they will be greater
than angels.
Conclusion:
Those who conclude that Hebrews 1:14 teaches
that Christians are superior to angels because the
verse teaches that the holy angels minister to
Christians have missed two important points. 1)
The passage never says Christians are superior to
angels and 2) Scripture teaches that those who are
greatest are those who serve others (Matthew
20:24-28). That would mean the angels are greater
than Christians. Yet, we can conclude that
Christians will have a higher rank than angels in
the millennial kingdom because they will judge
angels (1 Corinthians 6:3). But having a higher rank
does not mean that Christians will be superior in
capability. The reader is encouraged to visit “Will
Christians be greater than angels in the future

Who are Christians and who are angels? Christians believe and follow Christ. Angels believe and follow Christ?
What's the reward for believing in Christ?
Those who believe in him become co-heirs with Christ. They inherit the Godly nature. They become like God. Does this apply to angels too? Yes.
We are all fellow servants who have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

FreeStuffsNG:
Apt! She's done the right thing since most of them were not brought up well. This is a strict mother and professional.

I honestly think that the head of any young one who doesn't call her own mother by name but calling her by name should be examined. This is an accomplished elder in the world of theatre.

She's exceptionally brilliant and talented! I am not surprised that she's this modest yet strict.

All over the world, superstars are called by their first name or stage name. Its not a new thing and it did not begin with her.
It's just pride that is making her talk rubbish.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you read more of my comments you would see that I explained how a person both children or adults are held guilty by Law and that no where in the bible do you see a single child either accused or found guilty by God.

I don't have issues with all you comments. But when you decide that under 7 is the magic age in which kids can't commit sin then you need to explain the source of that revelation.

Dtruthspeaker:
Section 30 Criminal Code and God's Law called
Natural Law: a child under the age of seven is not criminally responsible for any act or omission. This means such a child is deemed to be incapable of committing a crime in the eyes of the law.

Hence, No Trial (Judgment Day) for them.

According to you, a child who is 6 years and 364 days is incapable of sin but then he begins to sin the next day he turns 7?
You are the same guy that says God's words ended with the book of revelations and yet you are adding strange teachings that God never revealed.

Templee333:
A newborn baby has more knowledge of heaven than a pastor, bishop and a pope. Heaven isn't a place you go to when you die. Heaven is always present with you but the hatred and jealousy and all manners of vile things in your heart does not allow you to become conscious of it. Your little baby is experiencing heaven until you start corupting it's pure mind with your worldly "wisdom". Parents and grown up are stumbling blocks to newborns, closing the door of heaven before them and introducing them to suffering.

This philosopher again. Where did you come across these things you propound. It's like you will form your own religion.

AwokenVawulence:
Probably not , 1.everyone is born into sin and must first accept Jesus as his personal saviour before he can be saved.
2. If the child is male and uncircumcised he can't enter the kingdom of heaven

Modified:abeg all those were they mention me I don hear tire no vex

But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

joyandfaith:
Do you know where plea bargain is common in US? Most lawyers would ask their clients to enter plea bargain for a lesser sentence. Essence of legal system is protect innocent people not criminals. Any system that is protecting criminals would fail.

How does please bargain come into this sir?
Yes, the essence of the legal system is to protect the innocent but the role of the lawyer is to protect his clients interest, guilty or innocent.
It seems you really think that lawyers don't protect guilty people's interest in America. You are actually wrong, you know.