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Omoawoke2:
I’m outta here Mehn.

You could have saved yourself all the embarrassment earlier on.

That was my aim, I wanted a fake irresponsible man like you out of this topic.
Nigeria has a poverty problem not an IGR problem. You are a distraction to the Nigerian issue.
You are also dishonest and hollow. To accuse me of putting up building images really showed the kind of person you are. Trust me, after today, you wouldn't see many people holding to your IGR argument anymore. I hope we have less of your kind and more people who are serious about the Nigerian problem.

Omoawoke2:
I am waiting for your response to this, or you want us to ignore your fvkup

As long as you refused to admit your ignorance, I have better things to do

Una go dey argue on something whey pass your brain capacity

Again, if you read your clip, you would find out that other factors are mentioned. Distribution of wealth is one and that directly corolates with poverty. Also, development index are mentioned so when I ask about the number of out of school kids you should take that very serious.

Omoawoke2:
I am waiting for your response to this, or you want us to ignore your fvkup

While the paper does not reflect you ideas, if you want me to discuss the paper with you, don't give me a clip or snapshot. That's not how I was educated. Link me to a complete article and then ask specific questions. You can pick a point from the article and ask me a direct question.

Yourbaslayer:
Guy I love your energy ooo! I will never waste such energy on this guy, he is not wise at all, he is a complete mumu

I don't think he is wise but I believe others are reading. I wouldn't want anyone to fall for his stupid ideas

Yourbaslayer:
I don't know what you are talking about, I told you few night ago to stop this IGR nonsense with your yen yen friend Obaderemi but you called me a trow then you opened a thread about it the next day which I didn't bothered to open. tctrills guy have already schooled you enough, I don't have time for illiterate people like you because you will never accept you are wrong. 

I used to believe in on Nigeria before but I am done with it now, I can't put up with people like you

I just pity the poor boy

Omoawoke2:
You know why africa is below world standard.

We don’t think independently.

When I was running my program in the US, professor will tell you to discuss any latest happening in the world and build your own opinion around it.
The people writing this articles and poverty shits are human beings like you and me. Some of them are your age mates, they sit down in their country and write stuffs based on sample data.
Some of them are professors in these schools, you will see the people that wrote this stuffs one on one in US schools.

They are not ghosts but human beings

But talk of real life data like IGR cannot be easily flawed.
2 * 2 = 4 and that’s why you get a real life value for IGR

But saying rate of poverty, this guys just even use AI these days to generate sample data and write articles.
And that’s the problem of africa. We only wait for these guys to write for us without doing anything.


Please I have been giving you free training on this thread without getting paid for it.

And who said I don’t have my own papers I’ve written, lol…

Independent thinking does not mean stupidity. And you should have fully developed your thought pattern into an academic work for us to take you serious.
I guess you felt your professor was encouraging lazy and unproven thoughts. Please let's not blame the poor old man.
Now you have a problem with AI? If AI can be used to calculate poverty rate, I welcome it. I just don't understand your point here.

Omoawoke2:
Hope you understand now

IGR can be used!

And like I said there poverty line is based on assumptions!!!


Clearly written below by your comrade

Oga Nobel, you would never hear China boast of it's very big IGR rather they talk of the millons of people pulled out of poverty.
You don't hear the US boasting of having the largest IGR in the world rather Biden is talking about improving the economy of individuals and Families. No single county measures it's economic success by IGR. You want to change the world order abi.

Omoawoke2:
God, talking with mediocrity is sad.
Pls just return to throwing insults and building pictures, this talk is going beyond your brain capacity already. Sorry for stretching you to this length. Your comrade just proved your wrong thinking he was attacking me

Lol, have you ever seen me post a building on Nairaland. You guys have no shame. Now you would accuse me of just about everything. Please let's stick to the discussion. No need for false accusations.

Omoawoke2:
Hope you understand now

IGR can be used!

And like I said there poverty line is based on assumptions!!!


Clearly written below by your comrade

This has nothing to do with the topic you are now holding on to straws.
You are also the first academic who believes that poverty rate is nonsense. Honestly you could be given 2 Nobel prizes when you write your paper.

Omoawoke2:
Give the noble prize to statista first

Una too like argument

Statista did not invent the standard for measuring poverty like you are attempting. Only you deserve the award

Omoawoke2:
24.9 % is a rate

What’s the value

It is obvious you guys are not that educated

So you know the rate so what's your argument. Poverty is measured as a rate and 24.9/% is a value. A value simply means a number assigned to a calculation or measurement

Omoawoke2:
Let me make it easier for you
IGR for Lagos 2021 is 753.3 billion naira … that’s a real figure

Please give me poverty value for Lagos 2021

29.4% you thought I don't have it right
Ogun state is 68.1% even poorer than Kano

Omoawoke2:
Are you just saying this just on nairaland or you really mean it?

I guess you don’t understand what IGR means

In simple terms, it means how much your state is generating in naira and kobo. Not a made up figure, it is earned that’s why it is called revenue. It means there are activities going on in your state leading to revenue being collected.
Although it cannot be used to measure individual wealth, but it goes a long way to make assumptions on the wealth of a city. Shey na goat them dey tax ni, abi na baboon. Humans are the one generating the revenue and those figures are not cowries but real money. Naira and kobo.


Pls see the govenrment site and see what makes up IGR.

https://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/pdfuploads/Internally_Generated_Revenue_At_State_Level_H1%202021.pdf

You are right with the definition of IGR and it is a very useless figure to calculate wealth or poverty.
You are the first human being to ever tie IGR to wealth.
And this shows one of 2 things. You are either an economic genius deserving a Noble prize or a very ignorant person that says what he has no idea of. Which one you be?

Omoawoke2:
We trashed this out already, you even sent me the link.

Yes, the point remains that there is zero link to wealth and IGR.

Omoawoke2:
I thought we trashed it out already that poverty rate is subjective and unreliable.

Anywhere you here data like poverty rate, it is based on assumptions not real figures

You don't seem to understand what you quoted. Poverty can be subjective but the data is never unreliable. Also the data is not based on assumptions not real figures.
Please read what you quoted. You would never find it mentioned that poverty rate is measured by made up numbers as you claim. Read before you post.
When we say poverty is subjective, it means that you could take your poverty level as let's say under $1 a day while I could determine mine as under $2 a day.
In the stats above the same parameters were used in all states so you don't have much to complain about.

Omoawoke2:
I edited my comment.

There are different tax rates, so it depends on the tax. Income, gambling tax, corporate tax, sales tax etc

If you were serious, the data about SW poverty should have made you furious. You should be angry with our leaders and thinking of solutions but instead you bring up something as irrelevant as IGR. It seems you are proud of the poverty level in the SW.
50 years ago just after the civil war, the SE was by far the poorest. It was one of the poorest regions in the world. Today that figure has been reduced to 49 percentage but I am still angry. The progress is too slow for me.
I am not from the SW but I clearly have more love for the SW than you do because this figures make me mad.

Obaaderemi2:
Kano has a population probably the combination of Ondo and Ekiti if not more. So it's not surprising if it has higher igr and higher poverty. But how come Oyo with a smaller population than Anambra has a bigger igr?

Donald Trump reduced federal taxes in US and what happened? Government IGR went down but GDP we t up by over 3 points which was the biggest in over 16 years. Poverty also fell to under 14 percentage. Please check US economic reports for 2019 to learn for yourself.

Obaaderemi2:
Kano has a population probably the combination of Ondo and Ekiti if not more. So it's not surprising if it has higher igr and higher poverty. But how come Oyo with a smaller population than Anambra has a bigger igr?

But Anambra has a far better poverty rate. Which do you prefer Richer government and poorer people or poorer government and richer people.
This is a case of big government.

Omoawoke2:
I edited my comment.

There are different tax rates, so it depends on the tax. Income, gambling tax, corporate tax, sales tax etc

Countries by tax rate. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

Omoawoke2:
When you say richest country, what you mean by richest.
And different types of taxes.
But I know US has one of the highest corporate taxes, income tax is very high in Europe.
The advanced countries don’t play with tax.
There’s is income tax, sales tax, income tax, gambling tax, state tax, corporate tax etc it depends on which tax you talk about

UAE also has one of the highest coporate tax rate in the world.

Use statista.com to check all these statistics, I don’t know if you have access but I have full subscription many of these sites with accurate data

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcdfcfOqNZU
Above is a link to counties by income tax and an African country is number one.

Omoawoke2:
When you say richest country, what you mean by richest.
And different types of taxes.
But I know US has one of the highest corporate taxes, income tax is very high in Europe.
The advanced countries don’t play with tax.
In Africa

UAE also has one of the highest coporate tax rate in the world.

Use statista.com to check all these statistics, I don’t know if you have access but I have full subscription many of these sites with accurate data

I just gave you the 6 richest countries in the world.
Also African countries have about the same tax rates as many European countries. Nigerian tax rates are not lower than the US

Omoawoke2:
I can bet you failed comprehension in school.
Walahi.
Maybe I should type slowly so you can read slowly.

There is no standard measure of poverty, it is based on assumption!

The data the op posted can’t be used as a fact
There is no real measurement of individual wealth or poverty distribution .
But with IGR, we can say that our region is generating more revenue, hence richer. It doesn’t translate to individual wealth.

Stats is not based on assumptions. It is a science and science is based on data not assumption. Know this and know peace.
And yes there are global standards for measuring poverty. Please just Google "The global standards for measuring poverty."
Stop saying what you don't know.
One more mistake, generating more revenue does not make a state richer. It only makes the government richer.
Let me teach you using another example.
If a state has a GDP of N100 and the government collects N50 as tax, does it make it richer than a state that has a GDP of N200 and yet collects a tax of N20?

Omoawoke2:
Statistics can tell you the exact tax revenue generated in a state.
Wait, what’s your level of education?

Do you know how serious Tax is?
Do you know what they call audit?

Do you know they are often reported to the last cent or kobo or cent? Or you just arguing to defend an ego or accept you don’t know somehting.

You can’t know everything so keep quiet when you need to improve your knowledge

So to calculate the total tax generated by a state, you don't use statistics you instead you use accounting methods.
Tax is a topic of it's own. It's not a parameter considered when discussing poverty.
You may get away with it on nairaland but you would be ridiculed if you tried this in OAU or UI.
Tax has its place but not in a discussion about poverty.
As I told you, the 6 richest countries in the world are low taxed nations. They are sometimes called tax heavens.

Omoawoke2:
Bros forget margin of error.

There is not data in the world that captures poverty line accurately, they are all based on using other data to estimate and make reasonably assumptions.
They just create impression

IGR remains valid and accurate as they are being audited, they are real figures and can be audited and traced.

Poverty data are not real figures. It always come as an estimate, and they use terminologies like “believed, estimated, based on, assumed etc

Oga but you went to school.
No academic data is about assumptions. Yes the use parameters to calculate this values and these parameters are acceptable parameters. IGR is not one of such parameters so it's dishonest for you to bring it up in a debate about poverty.
I understand using IGR as a bragging right for your state or region. But poverty is a serious matter and I don't see the place for IGR in this topic.
I am from the SE but I can't be excited. A 49 percentage poverty rate is criminal l. It's nothing to celebrate. But you are there living in denial. That's a shame and you can do better.
I told you about out of school kids but then again you did not take it seriously. The only thing that matters to you is IGR.

Omoawoke2:
As shown by the most reliable and accountable and audited records m

Southwest remains unquestionably the richest

From your data, I see that Kano has a higher IGR than Ondo and Ekiti so are you saying that poverty is higher in Ondo and Ekiti than in Kano?

Omoawoke2:
If you can point to anywhere or any research paper in the world from any institution or corporate body where they prove that they have an accurate standard or means to measure poverty, please show me and I will shut up immediately

Now you are showing your ignorance. You obviously don't understand data and statistics. No stats would tell you the exact number of poor people in a country but you can get the figure to the nearest thousand or tens of thousands.
But to assume that we can get a very good picture of global poverty, that's a lie.

Omoawoke2:
I never said IGR was a measure of poverty. If I did pls point it out and let me correct the typo.

What I said is that poverty statistics are heavily flawed and unreliable . Abeg no twist statement for me.

And I said I trust IGR is a much more reliable data as it gives a true reflection of the revenue of a state

Even Havard and Oxford can’t tell you they have an accurate data to measure poverty. But they can’t tell you they have an accurate data for revenue.

Revenue is audited and accountable.
There is no standard of measuring poverty, it is all based on assumption

Now you are talking about 2 different things again.
So no statistical data is 100 percent accurate. There is something called a margin of error. But as long as the margin of error is acceptable, we can accept it.
But then, if you have issues with the stats, you are always welcome to show your own stats. For me I don't have any reason to fight over this stats

Omoawoke2:
The biggest limitation of such statistics and GDP is that income distribution is not reflected.

It only capture the average.
So if you have one billionaire among 100 poverty stricken people. The GDP could be reported as higher than a place with 100 people with 1 million in their account.

So while the people with 1 million in their account are obviously doing better, the one with 1 billionaire and 100 poor people may be reported higher. Do you understand now?

Oga you are clearly confused. GDP and poverty rate are 2 different things.
GDP may not consider income distribution but poverty rate must always consider income distribution.
For example, let's imagine a country of 10 people with a GDP of 1 billon Dollars. This is not a measure of individual poverty. It could be that only one man has 1 billion and the rest have zero.
But when you measure poverty, you now consider how that 1 billion is distributed. So please read more and you will understand.

Omoawoke2:
Do you understand my explanation or don’t?

And who told you the richest countries have low tax rates. Is that a typo or sarcasm or what ?? Did you verify your claim before typing that. Lemme assume you meant to say they have the highest tax rates.

Where you not born yet when they said Nigerians live below 1 dollar per day. This was when dollar was at 200 or so.

Now they say we live less than 1.98 dollars per day. This is data from the almighty Statista itself.


How reliable is this data?

Now learn
Ireland, Luxembourg, Singapore, Qatar, UAE and Switzerland are the richest countries on earth and they are all low tax countries.

Now let me further educate you. At a time, $1 was the benchmark for poverty but the figure continues to change because of inflation. So we keep getting updated.

Back to your claim that IGR is the best measure of poverty, my challenge is still open. 100k if you can show me any academic paper that says so.
Or you could write your paper and have the world laugh at you.
One reason our parents took us to school is so we don't say baseless things and get mocked.

100k if you really know what you are talking about.

Omoawoke2:
Why do you all run to southwest to get educated? Lol

What’s your definition of poverty rate? How did you arrive at that statistics?
poverty statistics because is very biased and flawed by so many factors.
Let me educate you, so many factors can affect its credibility for example; there’s no way they will take record of everyone in the population, they only take samples.
And when taking samples, did they take their account balance or assets?
How did they value their assets?
So if they check my account balance and it reported 20 naira at 29th of July, but did not report that I’m expecting funds of 20 million naira the next tomorrow. And vice versa

Another thing is mean which has its limitations, the average does not take into consideration he true reflection of the wealth of people. If 10 samples were gathered, and 9 of them reported assets valued at 1000 naira and one of them reported 19.99million naira. Do you know that the average asset of the country 10 people will be reported as 2million naira. So 10 people would be said to be 2 million naira rich in average when actually, only one person is rich.

An if a sample of 10 people is taking and each of them has 2 million, the average is same thing as the sample of 10’peoppe with only one person having 19.99 million while the others have just 1k

So poverty statistics is one of the most unreliable data, it only gives an impression but not to be used as a fact.

The best is still IGR, because IGR is a summation of the total revenue generated in a state, and I’m surprised u mention tax, please what is the difference in the state tax for southwest and southeast?

The top 5 richest countries in the world have very low tax rates. IGR is never considered in economics as a measure on poverty. I can bet you would not see that in any textbook.

Also, I do not define poverty. There are established global definitions of poverty. When poverty is discussed, no one talks of IGR, I would give you N100k if you can show any academic paper that calculates poverty from IGR. Good luck

SmartPolician:
It's called common sense - something the vast majority of Nigérians lack, thereby turning the country into a big joke.

No one with common sense would sit in his room and decide what data is correct just based on his feelings.
For you to determine that a stat is wrong, you need to show your own metrics.
Statistics is an educational field, it's not done with common sense. Instead you need to follow established and academic patterns.

Obaaderemi2:
Taxes means the SW is more formal and richer than the SE. What's there to tax in. the SE when all the able bodied people are in Ibadan and Lagos?

Europe is more taxed than the US yet the US is richer.
California is more taxed than Texas yet California has a higher percentage of poverty.
Hope you have learnt something.