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How is it a foolish revert?

The bible specifically says that the wages of sin is death.
This is as foolish as claiming that phones or batteries die because of sin. The bible was written for people not animals.

It is a very natural follow up question and simply getting angry and declaring the question foolish does not solve the matter. Later you will call me childish and emotional and teenage. Address the clear inference and the clear issue.

I did not insult you, I only commented on your question. The bible also says that on the last day, everyone will be judged. We know it was talking about humans, not animals so please let's ask serious questions.

The instruction not to kill refers to murder that is well known. It never extended to killing animals for food for example, did it?

Exactly my point, it was meant for humans not animals. The instructions and teachings in the bible relate to and are for humans, do you get it now?

Look, you have to grapple with the simple fact that death was not known of as per scripture until sin came, and thus the question remains whether the sin of man also introduced death to animals.
Now, this is guess work. I can't remember the bible teaching that animals did not die before Adam ate the fruit.


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What is repentance if not contrition, seeking forgiveness and a change of heart and ways?
How does that require the ritual murder of a man first?
The sins must be paid for, that's called justice. Let's leave it to God to decide the process of repentance and forgiveness not you.

God is said to be perfectly just. It is not justice to make one man pay for the crimes of another man. According to scripture, God is not mocked and whatsoever a man sows the same shall he reap. That is karma and justice. Therefore it is incompatible with justice to perform a ritual whereby one person dies for another.

Again, I will have to disagree with everything you wrote here. What is Justice? It is equal application of the law to all. So, as long as no human is deprived of the blessings of Christ's sacrifice, then God is just.
Again according to you, who is the injustice commited against? Is it us humans or Christ His son? Please answer this one.
Yes, whatever we sow, that we shall reap also applies to having a repentant heart. If you sow repentance, you will reap forgiveness of sin.
Do you understand it now?

IjeBos:
Literally, pretend to be not African and sell yourself sexually for the Western dollar.
colo-mentality.

Unreaf

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ijebosb:
Bwahahahah I told you you were still a child.

You've spent posts lying about me being gay.
Ok.
So, I repost the truth, something you wrote, and you start crying?
Grow up.
If you're comfortable making up lies about people, someone telling the truth about you shouldn't hurt you.
You wrote those threads after all, abi?

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ijebosb:
Did I hurt your little feelings.

I've added a partial list of topics you started in this thread.
Which one of these topics is not the same. Don't worry I highlighted them.
I see you're auditioning to be a Nigerian or Right Wing Pastor.
The absolute phoniness of your posts here about Christianity.

And it gets worse, asking Africans to shed their identity (accents) just to ingratiate themselves into Western erotica?
My gosh. Nice values there.
Colo-Mentality

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IjeBos:
Is this you tctrills?
I can't.
Republican Christians and fake Piety my gosh.

Ignored

God1000:
Just know that each time you cheer up Israel's devilish action against Iran, you and I will pay the price, Iran will continue to bombard these countries for giving aid and comfort to the enemies


Una eyes go soon clear when petrol price reaches 2k per liter

I had that petrol is just 200 for Iran supporters. No wise man will support the person trying to destroy him. Iran is out there to destroy the global economy and make you poor, but you cheer on because you hate Israel.

IjeBos:
Yeah, my fault. I forgot people like you reserve the right to change the meanings of words and phrases to suit them or attempt to win an argument when hey initially use it wrong.
You must have mistaken me for someone who cares what your child like mind thought the phrase meant.
That phrase and lyrics were not as subjective as you want to make them.

You have no problem with anyone discussing acts of racism? Lol. Your posts say otherwise.
Rewriting the past and moving goalposts seems to be another super power of people like you.

I have given you a chance to explain yourself but you keep dribbling and distracting. Since you can't explain what you said about me, I don't see the need to continue with you. From now, I will just ignore you. You are a complete waste of time.
From now on, I beg you not to reply or comment when I post because I will ignore you. Go and waste others time.

HacheNoire:
Hey ya!

I can see the party has not ended.
I am sure if you boys were able to gun it down, you would have declared public holiday for an entire year.

HacheNoire:
Damn! They missed catching that thing! Would have been a big catch!

That would have been a world record! First country to catch F35!

Anyways, it is still a world record! First country to hit a F35

Iran is showing the world that, nothing is invisible!

Iran should put in more effort. If they cannot catch the F35, they should aim for the B2 Spirit. That will be a bigger and world record catch!

In other news, Iran has successfully installed Christmas light on Israel’s refinery.

You guys have a strange talent. The Iran bros are celebrating that that have finally slightly touched an F35.

The kind of things you guys celebrate makes me envy.

IjeBos:
Your logic seems to go like this:
Those who call out westerners for using historically racist tropes have a colonized mentality
But those who reflexively defend the westerners don't.

Your logic stems from
1.) A fundamental lack of understanding of what "colo-mentatlity" the word you posted means . You actually bastardized it.
2.) An inherent inability of self-reflection to see how colonized your mind is that you can reflexively defend historical racism.

You should explain what you think colo-mentality means and why you thought it made sense to suggest someone calling out racism has a colo mentality.
But I don't expect a rational answer from you.

So you have just admitted that you didn't know what I mean when I used that phase but at the same time you claim to understand where my logic stems from.
Please explain how you came to your conclusions about my logic or is it guess work?
I have never had a problem with anyone discussing acts or racism past or present so how did you come to such conclusions?

IjeBos:
Also, for reference, have you ever stepped foot in the US?

Are you trying to deflect? And why do you need my travel history for this debate. I would answer your question if you have an intelligent reason.

IjeBos:
Very odd.
Isn't you who posted about and initially brought up colo-mentality?
I assumed you understood what it meant.
Is AI writing your posts as well?

Are you sure this is the answer to my question? You claim I worship whiteness and I have given you a chance to explain yourself.
Did you come about that claim because I brought up colo mentality or was it because you felt a need to write something.
Go on, explain you thought process.

raumdeuter:
Its just projection. its those who accuse others of worshipping whiteness that actually sleep with white men in their bed. Its their innate infriorir complex speaking

People like Don Lemon, Ketanji Ijebos Ilhan Omar

This one called ijebosb is a different case. But I am willing to hear him out on this one. I will keep asking him questions just to know exactly how his brain works.

ijebosb:
I keep telling you that you reason like a child still.
You posted the lyrics. You should understand what you posted.

Here is a definition of colo-mentality.


Ask yourself, who on this thread has been defending the culture and values of westerners(our colonizers) even when they are using it to oppress black people?
Even this thread. Honestly, there are a lot of threads in this forum. Why spend hours and days on it arguing the pro Western side even when it doesn't affect you?
Do you think Westerners need your help defending their racism?

As I said you, Raumdeuter, Bemeruca and Basilico's minds are still colonized.

Is this the answer to my question?
So which of the cultures and values of the westerners, your colonizers do I defend?
Also, if I defend or uphold any Japanese value or culture, do I also become a Japanese slave?

DeepSight:
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As per the red, sometimes you could have fooled me, but this is pleasant.

As per the bold, recall you have had choice words for me over the Gaza issue. At some point you even suggested I hated Jews so much i might harm any Jew i came across!

Do you like Jews but that's not the point. Stop this slave name calling and let's discuss issues.
And please don't give me anymore Malcolm X videos.

IjeBos:
It's sad you don't even seem to understand these lyrics you posted else you wouldn't have posted them as they refer to you, Raumdeuter, Bemruca and Basilico.

You guys worship whiteness. See whiteness as better. Some here even go as far as pretending to live in the US as somehow that association with whiteness makes you better.

One question, explain how I worship whiteness. You don't always need to talk even when you have nothing to say.

DeepSight:
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Just as psychiatric patients don't recognise their condition, some don't recognise that they are worshippers of white supremacy and will defend white supremacists till their last breath.

It's a pity.

I see most of your ideas as not well thought out and not wise but I have always liked you so let me give you some advice.

Do not expect everyone online to agree with you. There not agreeing with you doesn't make them evil or stupid.
Limit your debate to the issues and don't target insults.

You support Iran even though Iran is doing everything to mess up global economy, would I claim that you are defending islamic or Muslim supremacists? No. Would I call you a slave? No.
So let's trade ideas not insults.
Have fun.

shotuns:
If you've ever worked in that company , you will understand that he is truly a ritualist. I worked as a factory worker there once, and I can categorically say the allegation was true. But now he's gone; may God forgive his shortcomings.

Did you see human skulls and parts on the factory floor?
Please tell us what you experienced.

DeepSight:
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Just as psychiatric patients don't recognise their condition, some don't recognise that they are worshippers of white supremacy and will defend white supremacists till their last breath.

It's a pity.

My boy stop being childish, if you have a point to make let's hear it.
Now you claim I am like a psychiatric patient who doesn't recognise his condition.
But to show how you use your brain, you will send a video to a psychiatric patient on nairaland, hoping that a Malcolm X video on nairaland is the fix to psychiatric problems.

If you are here to joke and call me names, let me know.
I come here to discuss and I often discuss with you because our ideas are so different so I use you to test my ideas so I don't hold on to them in isolation.
I am not really interested in doing, ' you are mad, you are foolish, you are a slave,' with you.

DeepSight:
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How perfectly those lyrics apply to you.

Funny child.
You are the one always thinking like a slave. You look at everything from the prism of slavery. You view yourself as a field slave and see us as house slaves.
You can hardly go about a discussion without bringing up slavery. It's a shame.
I see myself as equal with the white man. I don't believe I should be a rebellious slave like you because I am never a slave in the first place.
For example, Donald Trump posts the Obama's as monkeys, it triggers the slave in you but to me, I only feel that we shouldn't be post our political opponents as animals. It doesn't bring back memories of slavery to me.
We are so different. You think like a rebellious slave, I think like a free born

DeepSight:
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Benalvino3, I strongly recommend that you listen to this clip every morning and evening for the next seven days and meditate on it.
Same recommendation goes to tctrills, basilico and raumdeuter. Indeed to all African / black Trumpists.

What is wrong with you? You have this deep obsession with slavery. I truly feel you need help. I don't see any value in listening to a failure like Malcolm X because all his methods and suggestions to emancipate the blacks failed.
Please, next time give me a winner, someone who made the difference not an idiot like Malcolm X.
May be someone like Fella who sang.

Colo-mentality
(If you say you be colonial man)
(You don be slave man before)
(Them don release you now)
(But you never release yourself)
I say you fit never release yourself
Colo-mentality
(E be say you be colonial man)
(You don be slave man before)
(Them don release you now)
(But you never release yourself)

IjeBos:
Senators: You don't have to follow illegal orders just as you were trained not to.

tctrills: 😡😡😡 derp derp
Raumdeuter: 😡😡😡 derp derp derp

If you have a problem with that statement, I guarantee you the problem is you.

Ok

mamawin:
Leave them oo, they are still eating from a broken pot

lol.

dappydozzy:
It's not desperation. This is not 12 days war. Iran has to defend itself. US bases have to be attacked. The US/Isreal are the aggressors here.

Oga, how many Israelis and Americans has Iran been able to kill so far? You can shoot bombs, but the question is what the outcome is. I agree with you that the US/Israel are the aggressors, but they did so for very good reasons. Iran is a terrorist state.
Iran has been a curse to the Middle East and the world since 1979.
Hundreds of American servicemen have lost their lives to Iranian-sponsored militia, so I do not pity them.

LegacyB:
Africans supporting either of the two sides should have mental reevaluations. None of them care about you. Get that right…….

The idea that just because you are African, you shouldn't have an opinion in global matters makes no sense. Who told you that the best way to be African is to isolate yourself from global issues? How does that make you a better African?

motayoayinde:
If israel can hide the death of natanyahu and some of his ministers, you can imagine the tons of casualties they are hiding.

I can bet you are the one who found Netanyahu's dead body.

motayoayinde:
Targeted assassinations by Sh.itrael are to deflate the shame and humiliation.
It's been such a shit show, even with the US tagging along
These assassinations change NOTHING.
If anything they cause more death and destructions in Israel.

hezbollah has had nearly all of its leadership wiped out today, lol.
Yesterday night was hell in northern Israel courtesy of Hezbollah.

Truth is,
ISRAEL IS FINISHED.

Oga how many people have died in Israel since this war began?
Keep saying what you don't know

God1000:
These cluster munitions are game changer

Iran has every right to defend itself against these war criminals

Oga, the game is not changing, your generals are dropping like flies.
Iran did much better in the 12 days war. This time, it's just desperation

IjeBos:
This example
I feel like your mind only goes but so high.
I can't.

I had to break it down for a child, that's the best I can do for you.

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DeepSight:
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Sober up. The simple and inescapable fact of the matter is that he was suspended (not sacked) on account of a specific episode of the show where he exposed the insensitivity of Donald Trump to Kirk's death. He didnt't do anything on that episode other than show a clip of Trump being insensitive. That is exactly what led to his suspension, which Trump danced and celebrated. The fact that you failed to mention this well known fact and attributed it to falling ratings instead shows you are the one being unspeakably dishonest. And the fact that you immediately began to accuse me of lying and cheating shows that you are the one who is the teenager. These are the facts and I have nothing to add.

Come oh, you are accusing Trump to restricting someone's freedom of speech but you don't see Trump having the right to dance and celebrate like any normal human when someone he dislikes is punished?
I am sure you don't see the irony.
You wanted Trump to be sad and to morn his suspension right?

IjeBos:
Did you watch it?
Maybe try watching it half speed. It may be going to fast for you.
Or with closed captions, you're hearing may be going.
Then point me to part where you think they are telling the soldiers to to do something wrong.

You seem to be confused (makes sense you are MAGA).
If a commander tells a soldier to rape children and then burn them alive, yes, the Senators would be telling them to disobey that leader.
Because they are supposed to disobey that leader because that is an illegal order.
Because US soldiers swear an oath to the Constitution, not their military commander.

You seem to be confused as to what illegal means in "illegal order". You might want to google it.

You can refuse illegal orders
You must refuse illegal orders

I don't know how else to explain inciting the military to you. The video began by telling the military that the government is against the people and then asked them to disobey illegal orders. The word is inciting. Do you understand my short explanation? If you don't, let me offer a longer one below

Imagine you’re on a football team. You have a coach, and there’s a rulebook. Even if you think the coach is making a bad call, you can't just stand in the middle of the field and start shouting at your teammates to ignore the coach and start playing by their own rules. If you do that, the whole game falls apart. Nobody knows who to listen to, and your team loses.

In the military, that "rulebook" is called the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), and it’s way more serious than a sports game. Here is why many people, especially those who served in the military, feel the senators were wrong:


In the military, there is a very strict ladder of who is in charge. This is called the Chain of Command. If a soldier has a problem with an order, there are legal ways to address it, such as talking to a military lawyer (a JAG) or the Inspector General.

By making a public video telling soldiers to "dissent" or "disobey," the senators were basically trying to jump into that ladder from the outside. When politicians start talking directly to the troops, telling them which orders to follow, it creates "static" and confusion. A confused army is a dangerous one.

When you join the military, you make a promise. Part of that promise is to keep the military out of politics. We don't want an army that picks and chooses which president to listen to based on whether they like their political party.
The Senators' Mistake: Because they used to be in the military, they knew how much weight their words would carry. By using their former ranks to tell current soldiers to "disobey," many veterans feel they used their "old uniform" to play politics. To a soldier, that feels like a betrayal of the quiet, professional code we all lived by.

There is a specific rule, Article 94 of the UCMJ, about Sedition. That’s when you try to get people to revolt against the government.
Now, the senators said they were just telling people to refuse illegal orders. On paper, that's true; you should refuse an illegal order (like an order to hurt a civilian).

The Problem: They didn't point to any specific "illegal" order. They just threw the idea out there. To a 14-year-old, it might seem like "standing up for what's right," but to a General or a Sergeant, it looks like someone is trying to start a fire in the barracks just to see what happens.

IjeBos:
You're punching above your knowledge level.
Let's see what the current Secretary of Defense had to say about this in 2016.
Oh yeah, he said, 'the Military won’t follow unlawful orders’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBavSlRehOk

The way you boys make connections that don't exist is a real gift. Please, where did he encourage the military to disobey their leaders?
Now watch the video and tell me if they are in any way related
https://youtube.com/shorts/Fk9Gh3qwW4I?si=7xfEBcV9VXVUeOzx

Do you see the difference now?