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AntiChristian:
Iran is partly my enemy and Israel and USA are actually the enemy! Anyone who kills children and civilians like Boko haram does are my enemies!
Please keep mute if you don't have the right info! Iran and the west including USA were on talks before Israel and co started the killing.

How can you claim you practice democracy and then still go and be killing the leader of s soverign country? Israel's aim is for Iran to be a failed state just like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and co! All those countries USA and co had contributed to create chaos in.

The Arabs don't trust Iran. The Arabs shouldn't trust USA/Israel too as they never informed them they'd be attacking Iran!
The war doesn't make any sense! Just because you may attack me tomorrow then do i have the right to attack you today?

The US started a war with Iran, but Iran started a war with you and the rest of the world.

And yes, if I believe you will attack me tomorrow, if you keep saying death to me, and I have the chance to take you out, I will only be foolish not to take you out.

We can debate the war between Iran and the US, but the one that most concerns us is the war between Iran and the rest of us. You are like the child who plays with a snake that ends up striking him. Iran is that snake, and you think they are your friend even when they are biting you.

HighQue007:
The US is foolish to have started the war already

The US started a war with Iran, but Iran started a war with you. Know your enemies

AntiChristian:
Wait till petrol prices goes up $4 per L.

It is funny you don't even see that Iran is your enemy. The US and Israel are fighting Iran, but Iran is waging an economic war on the rest of us, including people like you who support them, and most especially the other Arab muslim countries.
The US is now by far the biggest producer and exporter of oil and gas, while the muslim world is dying economically because Iran is desperate, and their only weapon is to bring down the entire global economy. The only war muslims know is suicidal warfare. Kill yourself to kill the enemy or destroy the global economy to cause political tension in the US.
I am sure you will celebrate when petrol prices goes up $4 per L

HighQue007:
dem just dey blow blow everybody. With the Khamenei guy na in Russia for treatment. e mean say Russia and China is watching and might wade in soon. WW3 be that

Why will Russia and China act so foolishly? Do you think they love Iran that much? Russia is not finding it easy with Ukraine, and you think they are ready to engage the US?
Anyway, anything is possible.

DeepSight:
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Honestly. Mass murderers and the worst terrorists.

This man, you are very predictable. I knew I would find you here. But it is a shame that you and many like you do not know your true enemies.
The US and Israel are fighting Iran, but then, Iran decides to attack all their Arab neighbours and to block 20% of global oil. Anyone with common sense can see that Iran is evil and a danger to every other country.
Will their oil blockage affect the US? Yes, but very minimally. As of today, the US is a net exporter of oil and gas. But it would affect Nigeria and other African countries more. It will destroy the arab gulf states, it will hurt the European economy, and hurt Chinese manufacturing.
This should let you know how crazy Iran is and why this war is very just.
We should be thanking the US and Israel.
Iran has proven that they are an enemy to the world.

mynd1:
See them above ☝️, awon United States and Israel supporters. The two most useless countries in the world currently. Both of them are children killers... mtcheew

Tell this to your uncles in Iran. Why are they bombing all the arab states and preventing global shipping? Their war is with the US and Israel, not the rest of us. Thanks to them, fuel is no longer affordable in your town in Nigeria.

weslay:
Actually it does. It is the reason why most western countries are rich.

On the question of living peacefully. It's possible, as long as there are no greedy people

Not one country is rich because it won a war. Nations are rich because the offer value.

DMCA:
It clearly explains itself.
Marriage brings a burden and paul advices us not to marry so as we will be free

Also note,
Paul Said His Advice Was Personal, Not a Commandment
Paul actually admits that part of what he says in this chapter is his own judgment, not a universal command from the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:6
“But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.”
Later, he repeats the same idea.
1 Corinthians 7:25
“I have no commandment of the Lord, yet I give my judgment.”

DMCA:
It clearly explains itself.
Marriage brings a burden and paul advices us not to marry so as we will be free

That is one way to understand it, but let's look at the word of God as a whole, not just one or 2 verses, to know God's plan concerning marriage.

Marriage Was Commanded at the Creation

The very first commandment God gave humanity involved marriage and family.

Genesis 1:27–28

“So God created man in his own image… male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.”

This commandment requires a man and a woman united in marriage, because multiplication of the human family requires that covenant relationship.

Genesis 2:18

“It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.”

God Himself declared that being alone was not good, and therefore created woman and established marriage.

Genesis 2:24

“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

This verse describes the divine pattern of marriage:

a man

a woman

united by covenant

God Commands Marriage to Build Families

The command to multiply the earth continues throughout scripture.


Psalm 127:3

“Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.”

Children are described as a blessing and reward from God, reinforcing the purpose of marriage.

Marriage Is Honorable and Expected

The New Testament also teaches that marriage is sacred and honorable.

Hebrews 13:4

“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled.”

This verse shows that marriage is approved and honored by God for everyone.

Jesus Himself Affirmed God’s Commandment of Marriage

Jesus confirmed that marriage began with God’s creation.

Matthew 19:4–6

“Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife…
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

Jesus quoted Genesis and confirmed:

marriage was established “from the beginning”

it is God who joins husband and wife

Paul Taught That Marriage Is Part of God’s Plan

The apostles also taught that marriage is central to God’s design.

1 Corinthians 11:11

“Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.”

Ephesians 5:31

“For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.”

Paul again repeats the same marriage command from Genesis, showing it continues in Christianity.

Moroccoguy:
He rig his way

. You somehow believe that the people of Kano, Jos, Enugu, and Port Harcourt voted for Olu Falaye? Again, why didn't he rig in any of the SW states?

frankson1:
"...barely have any Iranian military bases", who are the 5k soldiers sent by trump going to fight?
Why is trump begging other countries to come to his rescue?

Y'all keep deceiving yourselves and try to pretend to not know the true because of shame.

First, you seem not to know what you are talking about. The talibans without a military base, fought for more than 20 years. Again, it's only on the Iranian television network that you will hear Trump begging other countries to come to his rescue.
It was kids like you who kept posting how Hamas is beating Israel today. Hamas controls less than a 3rd of Gaza and is not strong enough to help their Iranian masters in war. It's ok if they fool you once, but now you are becoming the tool of some not very smart people.

Moroccoguy:
Falae is a politician and pan Yoruba to the core, Obj is a military man and no Yoruba politician at that time trust military because of MKO. They believed that obasanjo will serve the interest of the military and the north.

What did he do to convince them in 2003 that he had changed? Also, the rest of Nigeria (not only the SW) did not trust the military. That was the reason why we were having civilian elections in the first place.
But then, you actually answered the question. All Nigerians felt that Falae would only serve the Yoruba interest.

Sundaymessi:
Iran has already won this war.
Dubai and most Gulf states are in ruins despite billion dollars defense pact with the US who couldn't even protect their military bases and their host country 's civilian infrastructure.
The strait of Hormuz where 20% of the global oil passes is block and on zero traffic.
The irony is that when most of these Gulf states economy collapses since most of them have shut down production sites, the Arabs billionaires would pull out their investment from the US stock market to rebuilt their countries. This means that the US economy will be slightly better than Afghanistan, Somalia and Greece.
This is the strategic defeat the US is facing in this war of attrition by the Iranians'.

I see you are a bit confused. Is Iran causing global pain? Yes
But they are the ones losing generals, ships, aircraft, and their entire economy. Less than 20 US soldiers have been killed despite the bombs on their military bases. On the other hand, we barely have any Iranian military bases, even in Iran, that are still standing.
The war was never with the Gulf states, and despite you claiming that most Gulf states are in ruins, I bet you will choose any of the other gulf states over Iran. So please let's get serious

WriterNig:
👍🏻 Like for Iran, share for Dubai

How many experts will be going to work in Iran? Let's know before we start liking for them. We need to know what we are liking.
If you are to bet, which of these two will first recover?

triplechoice:
You have misunderstood me. I have not said you are wrong. I said don't take Gemini response has final authority to win a debate or insist whatever it gives you cannot be challenged.

You can still question it on what it has given you. You accepted its responses because it resonated with. . You didn't query it for contrary opinion. Do that and learn something new today.

But then, I have asked for your argument. It's you not I to query it after I presented it.
You are asking me to make an argument and query my argument at the same time. It doesn't work that way.
I presented the argument so people like you can discuss, disagree, present counter arguments or even build on it.

I can't be the one bringing up ideas and tearing them down at the same time.

But I am very open and looking forward to you presenting your side.

Lithiumite:
Obidients food don land....however, reputable organisations like WB,IMF,ADB etc have given positive remarks on Tinubu’s economic policies and supporting them,you all condemned it and called it rubbish.......you will now cone here and tell us to accept the report of an unknown organisation over those that hailed tinubu......it's typical of you guys and we aren't buying your propaganda too.

Did the reputable organisations like WB,IMF,ADB also say that poverty is reducing?
The best and most reputable source to know how Nigerians are coping under Tinubu is from the Nigerians themselves and most of them are getting poorer under him.

You claim that IMF is saying that poverty is reducing but they have never produced such data.
In fact, let me ask you directly, are the average Nigerians getting richer or poorer under Tinubu?

triplechoice:
I said Gemini responds based on how you ask. It is how these systems are designed. You don't need to announce you are a Christian. It analyse your query to determine context, which includes detecting your religious background .Your word choices, your spelling patterns, and the way you frame a question, influence the response. Gemini picks up on these signals and tailors the response accordingly

I never said there's anything wrong with asking as a Christian. I said you shouldn't treat AI's answers as final authority the way you have done here. The response Gemini gave you wasn't "the truth" (I have put truth in quotes). It was the answer that matched the framework you provided, meaning that if someone from a different tradition asked the same question, they would get a different answer

The same verse, "in Him we live and move and have our being, has been interpreted in multiple ways across different traditions throughout history. An AI cannot settle that debate for you. Only direct experience and genuine spiritual exploration can.

So, let's understand this, if a Muslim made that statement, it will only be wise to decide the meaning from the islamic context. Same goes for a Buddhist or any other religion.
Paul a follower of Jesus Christ made the statement and now you suggest we interpret in multiple ways across different traditions throughout history. That will only get us confused and we will never get an answer.

Now, why did I use AI? I use AI for things that humans don't need to waste their effort on. AI is better suited to go through data and look for context.

On nairaland we don't exchange direct experience and genuine spiritual exploration. We exchange ideas and information and that was what I did using 3 different AI sources and they all gave me about the same information.

Now, instead of you or my good friend Deepsight telling me that AI got it wrong, I would love to listen to your argument. Show me why I am wrong, don't just tell me that I am wrong.

triplechoice:
Gemini responds based on how you ask. You asked as a Christian, seeking a Christian interpretation, and it gave you exactly what it was programmed to give, a response that aligns with mainstream Christian theology.

If someone with a different spiritual background, say, a Vedanta or a Sufi, asked the same question, they would receive a response that aligns with their understanding.

This is what we call "garbage in , garbage out". Gemini doesn't have direct knowledge of truth. It has been trained on human texts, including theological writings, and it generates responses based on patterns in that data. It will confirm whatever framework you feed it.

That is why people are advised not to treat AI as final authority. It can give different answers to different people asking the same question from different perspectives

Actually, I didn't ask as a Christian. I only mentioned the verse in the bible and asked it to provide the original greek and to provide a contextual meaning.

Again there is nothing wrong in asking from a Christian angle since we are discussing a verse from the bible.

triplechoice:
I think you're talking past each other. The idea that we're cells in the body of God is a metaphor which you have interpreted literally..

This understanding comes from Vedanta, the ancient spiritual philosophy of India, which teaches that the same divine consciousnesses (Brahman) exist in all beings. So we are not separate from "GOd", we are expressions of it. "God" is not a person but spirit or what science calls pure energy and we are all energy beings occupying a physical body.

Unless Deepsight has another interpretation, the people who use the figurative expression don't recognise a separate invisible being living in an invisible plane, heaven, who created the world and everything in it. They say that each individual, you and I, is an inseparable part of Spirit, "God", divine consciousnesses. This should not be confused with a supreme deity we must worship from a distance. In the words, the God we are worshipping and praying to is the same as us.

The separateness we sense, according to them, is created by the illusion of the physical body we are occupying .We are one with God whether we realise it or not.

Jesus came to this realisation, hence the statement "I and the Father are one". Which Father? Spirit, divine consciousnesses, pure energy. But this truth he taught has been submerged in traditional church teachings.

Deepsight is looking at it from a different angle. He is looking from the angle of us being like a virtual reality playing out or simulations.
I do not necessarily agree with your beliefs but you and Deepsight do not seem to be saying the same thing

masterfactor:
Who be this One, you think this guy's are cowards, they rather die than give in to the west demand. Building and country can be destroy, but ideology still remains

Enough billets can fix your ideology. Ask Hamas why they did not participate in this one

DeepSight:
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Don't you know what an atmosphere is?

Now you are pulling on to straws. Even you know that you are using an extremely weak argument.
From the above, it seems like Gemini also did a copy and paste with little variations to what I explained.

Live: Our biological life comes from Him.

Move: Our ability to act and progress is sustained by Him.

Are (Being): Our fundamental identity and existence are rooted in His will.

So don't just hold on to one word, Atmosphere and claim you are in line with the above.
Please let's all be intellectually honest.

Compare Gemini to myinitial comments
In whom we live = He give us life
In whom we move = gives us the strength to move
And have our being = we belong to Him

DeepSight:
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AI is a bad philosopher and theologian.

See the blue bold however in part confirmation.

As per the red bold note that I had distinguished between panentheism and pantheism. Obviously beyond your AI philosophy.

Actually, it is not a bad philosopher and theologian. It has the records and knowledge of all theology and philosophy. And what else would you say when it doesn't favour you?

Below is from Gemini. You know they say in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses will every word be established.

The Core Meaning
Paul is arguing for Divine Immanence—the idea that God is not a distant, cold clockmaker, but the very "atmosphere" of existence.

Live: Our biological life comes from Him.

Move: Our ability to act and progress is sustained by Him.

Are (Being): Our fundamental identity and existence are rooted in His will.

DeepSight:
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Now this is astonishing.

The script says that you live in someone. It says you move in that person. It says you have your being inside that person.
It is clearly panentheistic and he was quoting a Greek philosopher as I told you already.
And you are writing things it absolutely does [b]no[/b]t say.
This explains alot about the religious.

I mean just look at the bold in yours, the last line. What kind of voodooo magical interpretation is that?

So just to have a second opinion, I ask chatgpt to give contextual meaning to that verse.

This was the result
Meaning of the Phrase “In Him We Live and Move and Exist”

In context Paul is saying:

1. God is the source of all life

Everything depends on God for existence.

Humans:

live because of God

move because of God’s sustaining power

exist because God created and sustains them

This echoes ideas similar to passages like Colossians 1:17 (God sustaining creation).

It's as if AI was reading my argument.
You clearly do not understand that verse.

Let me try Grok

In summary, Acts 17:28 means that our entire existence—life, activity, and very being—is enveloped in and sustained by God. It's not pantheism (we are God), but profound dependence: God is the source and sustainer of all life. Paul uses Greek cultural touchpoints to make the biblical God relatable, then challenges idolatry and calls for response to the risen Christ. This is one of the clearest New Testament examples of contextual evangelism to a non-Jewish audience.

Just because you want the verse to mean something else doesn't mean it has to.

PulaPower:
This World Cup might end up being a total joke..

Many countries are even reluctant to participate..

I knew problem don enter football the moment USA started getting involved..

In Trump's voice, this will be the biggest and greatest ever world cup in football history. Even you wouldn't miss Iran

I am sorry to say but this is a very watery and weak revert.



How can you magisterially and imperially proclaim this? Death is a factor that applies to living things in the physical world. Your bible however insists that it is the result of sin. I ask again if animals sin. On what grounds do you exempt animals from this quagmire?
This is a foolish argument because the bible never claims that animal death was as a result of their sin. And to show how foolish the argument is, I asked you about the death of your phone battery.
The bible is an instruction to humans not animals or batteries.
If someone argued that lions are guilty of breaking God's commandment 'Thou shall not kill,' wouldn't you ask if the person was using drugs? That's exactly how I see your linking the death of animals to sin. It's a zero argument.



One can repent without believing in the ritual human sacrifice teaching which says that the death of Christ is what saves one.

Your opinion. But in truth how can you repent without the one who paid for your skin forgiving you? How is that possible.


Yes - and repentance is not dependent on any belief in blood sacrifice. Repentance involve genuine contrition, seeking the forgiveness of God and those hurt and a determination to change one's ways.

Again, this is just your opinion and I don't know how to argue with your unproven opinion.
Mine is not an opinion, it is the word of God. Of course you don't believe it.

This is pagan.
Just because pagans believe it is wrong to steal doesn't make thou shall not steal a pagan instruction.

Then we can only conclude that scripture contradicts itself in this matter.
Explain yourself

Beyond using words that don't really mean much like calling Christ's sacrifice a pagan practice, can you point to anything wrong or immortal with God sending His Son to pay for our sins?
It shows love, mercy and justice all at the same time.

As a father, would you give your son a task that is really hard but at the end, it will big him great glory and honour and save the lives of many? Sign me on any day, I will do that.

DeepSight:
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Why are you deliberately reading into the script what is not there? How does "in whom we live and move and have our being" translate to "God created humans?"

you are accusing me of what you are doing.
In whom we live = He give us life
In whom we move = gives us the strength to move
And have our being = we belong to Him

insidelife22:
Good
They would be able to buy gas cheaper as this singular act will make Iran escort their 🚢🚢🚢 through the strait of Hormuz.

Oil prices are already falling.
A barrel is now between $87 to $91 from more than $120 on Sunday.
Iran is losing the battle on oil price

FreeStuffsNG:
Wow!!

Iranians have been woken up. The resistance lives on!

Wait oh, you Iranian fanboys are celebrating victory because of a burial ceremony?
You lot are comedians?
Your war ships are at the bottom of the sea, your war planes are destroy or hidden
For each bonb you launch, 10 hit you.
Your generals are dead.
But somehow, you are winning.
You guys ehh

DeepSight:
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Please and please I never said we are the cells in God's body. For heavens sake I don't even believe God has a body. I simply asked what you thought of it. These are philosophical ruminations and the idea that everything that exists is a part of the body of God is also an ancient one. It is called panentheism, to be distinguished from pantheism.

Having said that, the verse I quoted does not say God is our source it specifically indicates that we live and move and have our being in God.

I understand you didn't outrightly say you believe in that but for now, you are the one defending that doctrine.

Now we live and move and have our being in God. Clearly means that it's God that makes us live and move and He created us. It doesn't mean or indicate that we are inside God or His cells.
How did you come to such conclusions?

DeepSight:
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But your scripture gives credence to it -

"For in him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said..." — Acts 17:28

In this, Paul was actually citing the Cretan philosopher Epimenides, and agreeing with him.

So according to you, the bible teaches that we are the cells of God? The verse only states that God is the source of our live, strength and abilities that's actually the opposite of what your teach.
The cells give life to the organism.
The scripture you quoted is opposed to the doctrine you are teaching.

triplechoice:
I don't think Deepsght is saying we are literally cells in the body of God. That statement is metaphorical reference to something that is even contained in the Bible: "we were created in the image of God" that is, we all share the same attributes of that we were created from or are part of. "Ye are gods"

Actually that's not what he is saying. You can go back and review this thread, he isn't talking about being created in the image of God or that we share His attributes.

DeepSight:
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This will take us away from the intendment of this thread and I think deserves a thread of its own.

I have taken the liberty of creating one -

https://www.nairaland.com/8632938/tctrills-repugnant-aspects-christian-doctrine

I have moved the discussion to the new thread but if you are looking for excuses to hate Christianity, don't you realise that there are more holes in the doctrine you are entertaining.
The doctrine of man being God's cells.
If this is true, it means that we make up God and God is a summation of our personalities, actions, beliefs, weaknesses, strength, and morals.
It makes God imperfect, weak, jealous, full of hate, fearful and all other human traits both good and bad.

Is that your position on God? Let's discuss.