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AnonPoet:
https://applesbite.com/war-in-iran-winners-losers-and-the-global-fallout/

Please sir learn to verify before coping and pasting.

You wrote the below
China, though facing short-term economic pressure from rising energy costs, may benefit in the long run. With a diversified energy mix and strong investments in renewables, Beijing is better positioned than many economies to absorb shocks

But here is the reality: China depends much more on fossil fuels than Europe and America.

Dependence on fossil fuels

China about 77%
Australia about 75%
US about 72%
Canada about 62%
EU about 60%
UK about 55%

So explain how China can ever be a winner in an energy crisis.

Please go and read Revelation 22 well. You will see that the person speaking there is God, through an Angel (see verse 1 and 9).


Here is an update to my response.

Let's go to the first chapter of the book of Revelations, here it's as clear as daylight that Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

I will just copy and paste, no need to explain.

Verses 7& 8
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Verses 10 to 18
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

No explanation needed.

DeepSight:
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But how is it that you dont get that this contradicts you being a Trinitarian? Because if you believe in the Trinity then you must also believe that they all are they same entity anyway!

First of all, I am not arguing for any particular sect. I am only pointing to clear truths in the bible. In the video I sent you, the guy made the very same claims I did, that Jesus Christ is Jehovah and he backed it with some of the points I gave you.

Again, I ask, how do you understand the phase from the book of Isaiah; I will never share my glory with anybody?

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DeepSight:
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Stop changing it, every Trinitarian believes this: what you said was that the Father is NOT the God of the Old Testament.

This will be the second time I will be correcting this. I said the Father is not Jehovah. He is definitely the God of all times , old and new. He did not start being God in the new testament.
Again, the Father is not Jehovah. Jehovah is the name of Jesus Christ. The Father was God before, during, and after the old testament.
Please let me know if you understand. This is very important.
In the video I sent you, the man was making my very argument that Jesus Christ is Jehovah. He even had a cap that said so.

That said, remember, I asked you, how do you understand it when Jehovah says He will never share His glory with anybody.

decatalyst:
This is barbaric!

This should be condemned by all humans whose brains are still functional.

While this sounds like another unproven story, I thought you guys said Hama's won the Gaza war. How come Israel is now controlling checkpoints inside Gaza?
Lesson: Don't start a war you would lose.

Just to remind you, I am not the only Christian who believes the Bible teaching that Jesus Christ is Jehovah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgkkLw5RkW4?si=8v1hvs3MZY3skHU5

mycar:
only time will tell. All I have is one vote likewise others

I know but I see no changes

mycar:
Trump own will be a child play to Tinubu's second term in office
Nigeria should not make that mistake, someone that can be this arrogant in his first tenure. Imagine what will become of him in his second tenure.

You talk as if you have an option. Tinubu is winning with a far greater margin.

DeepSight:
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Surely you know that when we say Dangote built a refinery we dont mean that he lifted the bricks and pipes and mortar. Others did that. And yet we credit Dangote with building the refinery. Same way as with your own house. We say you built a house even when you only instructed others to do it. Same way we say a leader wages war when he only gives orders.

As to your argument that Jesus created the world, scripture says the world was created through him. There is a difference.

Ok, let's not dwell on the creation argument, let's call it another grey area. Let's only focus on the Saviour and the Judge argument.
If there is only one Saviour as Isaiah says and the new testament tells us the Saviour is Jesus Christ, I would love to hear your argument here.
Also, if Jehovah will judge all men and we are clearly told that the Father will judge no man, how is the Father Jehovah. Does appointing a judge make you a judge?
Let's limit the argument to the clearest examples so we are not all over the place.

One more, in the book of Zechariah we learn that Jehovah will be pierced. Who fulfilled that prophecy?
And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

One more thing, how do you understand these verses.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord. That is my name. I will not let anyone else share my glory. I will not let people praise idols. I am the only one that they must praise.
Jehovah will not share His glory. No two people can share His name or title

DeepSight:
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So we can continue.

I never stopped. I have responded to your rebuttal already

DeepSight:
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I actually thought you were saying I should notify the person who actually made that argument. I only just realised what you meant and have done that.

Good. Thank you

DeepSight:
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What can restore your name better than an open apology?

There is something wrong with you.
Good bye.

You know what to do. It's as easy as typing the guys name. Let's not play dumb

DeepSight:
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It was not on this platform and it does not concern the person.

It's absurd the way you think. What could I gain by deliberately telling a falsehood about such a point?

Anyways, I have done my bit by owning my error and apologizing. No one can do better than that.

I can only conclude it is worthless interacting with such a one as you further.

I can't force you to do the right thing. You claim to have a higher moral standard than God but suddenly, you don't know that you owe it to me to restore my name after your dishonesty

DeepSight:
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This is intolerable arrogance after someone apologised with an explanation. I hate this kind of nonsensical behaviour. Good bye.

Oga stop being a pretender. Go back and let the guy know you made a mistake. But you wouldn't because it was not a mistake. You were just being wicked.

A certain Deepsight believes that Iran is doing the right thing in closing the Strait of Hormuz and allowing Nigerians to suffer. His excuse is that the US started a war with Iran so Iran is justified in punishing the rest of the world.
Please Mr Deepsight and co, I do not carry an American passport. Beg your uncles to allow ship to pass.

DeepSight:
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What? Pomposity after an apology? To hell then.

We both knew you were never serious with your apology. You made a false witness against me but you don't feel the responsibility to contact the person you lied to and make sure he sees your corrections?
Well I can't force you to do the right thing.
I will only advise you stop your wickedness. You gain nothing spoiling other people's name just because you don't like them

Please go and read Revelation 22 well. You will see that the person speaking there is God, through an Angel (see verse 1 and 9).
This is just being lazy and incorrect.
I guess because you read the phase worship God in verse 9 you made such a false and incredible leap.
Now, did you not read where it wrote, behold, I come quickly; Who did the bible tell you is coming.

This doesn not necessarily follow. God can be your rock and Jesus who represents him can also be.
Smart argument here, and I will not press you here because you implicate yourself in the very next paragraph.

No again, the same thing. If God saves you through Jesus, then God is your savior and the same honorific will be applied to Jesus by his followers.
Here, you are not making an intelligent argument.
You accept the old testament teaching that Jehovah is the only Saviour but refuse the revelation that Jesus Christ is the Saviour. If your argument is that you believe the old testament and doubt the new, we shouldn't be having this discussion at all. But I happen to know that you doubt the old testament as well so this your argument can't fly.
Remember, we learn that there is only one Saviour not 2 so, if the bible is correct Jesus Christ= Jehovah the Saviour


Again the same thing. If God guides you through Christ, Christ is your Shepherd as well.
Again, we can leave this for now.


Again the same thing. It is said that God created the world [b]through his word, Christ. That is the doctrine taught, not that I believe it.[/b]
We are not talking about what you believe, we are talking about who the bible says Jesus Christ is. It says, the world was created by Him. How would you twist this one? If the world was created by Him, He is the creator.



Delegation at work.
This by far the most intelligent of all your arguments and I will prove it to you with something you believe.
The president appoints the chief judge so by your argument the president can claim to be the chief judge.
Jesus Christ was appointed by His Father to judge the world, it would be incorrect and dishonest for the Father to claim He is the judge.
When you delegate your daughter to wash plate, you don't go telling people that you did the dishes.

It is said in scripture that God has honored the son this way.
I am not sure you read the verse. It said,
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself... That unto me [Jehovah] every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
The phrase" there is none else" explains it. God is expected to be consistent.

So let's summarise. I didn't make arguments on the grey areas because I didn't need to.
Just 2 areas foil your rebuttal.
1. We are told there is only one Saviour not 2. So it the New testament reveals that the Saviour is Jesus Christ that only makes Him Jehovah and not His Father.

2. The Father is not going to judge anyone. The Father is in no way shape or form the judge. Just as you didn't do the dishes because you asked your daughter to. And Tinubu is not the chief judge because he chose one.
So if anyone must believe the Bible, Jesus Christ is the only judge and that makes Him Jehovah according to the old testament.

Lastly, always remember that we are not debating what you believe, we are debating what the Bible teaches.
And if Jesus Christ is the Saviour and the Judge, then He alone is Jehovah.

Not to forget that He clearly told us that He is I Am (Jehovah)

DeepSight:
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I have searched, and I tender my apologies. It was not you. Someone else has previously argued to me citing Hebrews 11:19, arguing that Abraham’s act wasn't "murderous" because he had "accounted that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead."

I confused that with you because the topic was also discussed with you.

Please this does not mean that you should continue your habit of accusing one of lying at the slightest thing.

Please if you want to apologise don't do it half and I advise you tag the guy you made that incorrect claim about me to.
Let's show some decency please

Tctrills has argued that Abram was willing to do this because he knew Isaac would be resurrected. As an aside one may question the value and sacrifice of Jesus laying down his life since he knew he would be resurrected in a short three days. But I digress.
If you would have to tell lies and bear false witness, I wouldn't take you serious anymore.
I actually thought you had some credibility.

Dogalmighty17:
He is a clown. Just yesterday he was saying the US doesn't need the strait opened. The day before he said that the strait was already opened. If he tries touching any Iranian power station, I fully expect Iran to target more refineries in the middle east.
Trump will not back down until oil climbs above 160 dpb.

The most powerful weapon in the hands of a toddler is useless. The US actually had a plan to contain Iran long before Trump came into office. His generals sat him down and tried to explain to him why a full on direct attack wouldn't be ideal. Trump sacked them and appointed yes men in their place. Men who will agree with every brain dead idea that comes to his head.

Trump lacks the mental maturity to know that for every action there is a consequence. He has backed himself into a corner in Iran now and is desperate for a way out. The Iranians don't fear threats. Trump has given himself 48 hours. Let him go ahead and strike Iranian electricity plants and see what the Iranians will strike in return.

I love your choice of words.
He is a clown
The most powerful weapon in the hands of a toddler is useless

So, if by Tuesday, Iran is in darkness, I am sure you will be laughing. Hope you come on Nairaland to share the joke

Emusan:
Where you people are getting it wrong is making God a liar with man made rules.

For instance, when Kumuyi claimed TV is a devil's tools I don't think he attributed it or God or something Bible rejected.

Watchtower on the other hands always making God a liar.

Pre-2026 rejection of Blood Transfusion has been hung upon WHAT GOD REJECT THROUGH BIBLE or simply put God's law rejected Blood Transfusion.

So, if God rejected Blood Transfusion with various scripture used to support it, does that mean those scripture suddenly vanished or rewriting by God?

Even looking at the broadcast of this new light, it was said "After much PRAYER and study of the scripture...."

Tell me, is this how God works through the history?

I can still give them the grace, they wouldn't be the first religion to make a mistake but my anger is that this mistake has cost thousands of lives. It was very reckless and no one will ever be held responsible.

maasoap:
Just listen to yourself. Some that have should now obliterate others that don't have yet if and when they aspire to have, right? You are not making sense at all

I don't understand anything you wrote here, please rewrite. But if what you are seeking is a world were every armed group has a nuke, I definitely don't want to live in that your world.

DeepSight:
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Tried. Banned again.

Lol, I have given up. I guess the system suffers technical issues.

achorladey:
Especially for a community of people that gives blind obedience and submission to men like them. E go hard ooooo

Many have been led to unnecessary suffering, pain and death but no apologies. No one will be held responsible.
Let's just hope that they keep learning and reforming

achorladey:
To the bold part. The blood of those spilled crying and they didn't go to war

But then, no one will be held responsible for all these unnecessary deaths.

chimex38:
religious members who:
-self evaluate from time to time
-Study and think independently outside the rules of their hierarchy
-or consider and compare views of others on their doctrines,
-aknowledge some errors and gray areas to see some flaws
-critic parts that are overdue to change.
- question rules and try to provide alternatives where possible etc.

Such members will most likely spot a doctrine and adjust even before their governing body or supreme head makes any pronouncement.

I actually don't think members of any religion should be making the changes. It should always be up to the leadership if there must be order.

Also, to be honest, there isn't any church that is over a 100 years that has not make several important changes.

I also think that this is a positive start for the JW but I still think that the new rules bring a new set of problems. From what I was told, the new rule allows JW members to bank their own blood for the rainy day. This new law would bring about wild spread inequality.
In richer communities this wouldn't be a challenge, but the poor in 3rd world countries can't keep to this.
The church doctrines shouldn't be to benefit the rich at detriment to the poor.
I hope to be further educated on this though. But in general, this is healthier than the old law. Whomever was responsible for the old law is clearly a mass murderer.

DeepSight:
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Sure, there is fabricated secular history but you will not find any secular history that contains all those miracles and alleged supernatural events.
At best you will have reports of what people claimed they experienced: e.g: Constantine the Great claiming that he saw a vision of Christ or the Cross or the Chi-Ro.

I see you have responded to the Iran/US thread but somehow I am blocked from responding to you so we have to leave it for now.

DeepSight:
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Sure, there is fabricated secular history but you will not find any secular history that contains all those miracles and alleged supernatural events.
At best you will have reports of what people claimed they experienced: e.g: Constantine the Great claiming that he saw a vision of Christ or the Cross or the Chi-Ro.

So you are saying that history is correct when it doesn't have supernatural events and supernatural events make it a myth.
Is that your metrics?

uche87:
https://www.facebook.com/thevillagetowncrier/posts/pfbid02SqfLCNdcZDJWrC5b5W3t4KVEPYSdUyPxuPNhTLU9TTvQ8wQBRR4FuwjgUgT4A93Sl

Oga please go straight to your point. You started with talking about white Vs black offices. Trust me, you could have made your point in just 3 or 4 paragraphs

DeepSight:
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He was a person in secular history for heavens sake, he was a recorded King of Greece who conquered much of the known world, he also founded many cities which still stand today and some are named after him and still stand today, such as Alexandria in Egypt.

He is also not recorded to have done things which would put his story into the rank of myths such as walk on water, raise the dead, heal the sick, feed the five thousand, transfigure with Moses and Elijah, resurrect from the dead. All these things make a story sound very mythical.

And you believe the historians but doubt the historians that wrote about Jesus Christ.
When they tell you that Alexandria was founded by Alexander the Great, you don't question.

So why do you choose to believe one over the other, what are your metrics. How do you tell that the history is not fabricated?
Educate me please.

Are you saying that secular history can't be completely false?

Also, while you are at it, can you list other religious leaders from 2000 years ago that you have more secular information about that Jesus Christ or are they all myths?

DeepSight:
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No it does not.
You know in your heart that no man can tell you such and you will obey, prophet or not.

You did this yesterday, telling me what you think should be in my heart. I just told you that I will ask God but that can't satisfy you because I did not say what you want to hear.

There is still no point going back to it. Mind you, you never addressed all the verses. You spent most of your time addressing "Why do you call me good, only God is good." And you did a poor job.
Go back to the thread. I did not address them one by one but I clearly touched everything. And you will never say I did a good job. But let's move on.


We know it cant be physical, since its not a physical world, but the point is will it be eternal torture?

Eternal punishment for the wicked... So, if the wicked will never be able to live with God and with the righteous, does that qualify as eternal punishment?
I believe there would be an eternal separation and yes, regret and sorrow.