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DeepSight:
Following from your comments here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8621001/lordreed-revisiting-simulation-reality/2#138721399

I would like to address the aspects of Christian doctrine which I say are absurd and even repugnant.

Let me start with your last comments -


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My position is that the death of Jesus of Nazareth can by no means serve as a propitiatory sacrifice for anyone's sins under divine justice. Scripture itself is clear when it says that God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sows the same shall he reap - Galatians 6:7.

This is a clear enunciation of the principle of Karma. And so long as this principle holds true it will remain absurd and contradictory for one person to bear the sins of another. Such a scenario would refute the justice of God.


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This is upside down. I do not adopt the opinion because I dislike the religion. I dislike the religion because of teachings like that within it.


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This is highly contestable because in Gethsemane, Jesus ardently prayed for the cup to pass over his head if it were possible.


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Of course, but this is entirely different from the matter of spiritual consequences for individual actions. Only you can bear the spiritual consequences of your actions.


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Why then did he plead with the father for the cup to pass over his head, saying "nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." -

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - Matthew 26:39.


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I contest the virgin birth, the idea of the propitiatory sacrifice for remission of sins, the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity.
I accept the elevated teachings of Christ on love, growth, detachment from the world and forgiveness.


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How come animals die. Have they also sinned.

I would address a few things and hopefully you will get clarity on the rest.
When the bible says the wages of sin is death, it was only refering to man. So there is no need to bring up animals. Also, when the battery in your phone dies, it's not because of sin.

Good you brought up Galatians 6:7.to show the Justice of God, we reap what we sow hence we reap punishment when we sow sin but then, did you consider what happens when we sow repentance? We reap forgiveness all thanks to the mercy of Christ.

Now let's move on. You claim that only you can bear the spiritual consequences of your actions and that's mostly true when you don't repent. When we repent we no longer bear that consequence. We are forgiven because the price has been paid.

Lastly you make the claim that Jesus was not a willing sacrifice because He pray for the cup to pass by. Well that's being very unfair to Him and the bible.
Was He in pain? Yes
Did He wish the pain to end? Yes
Was He a willing sacrifice? Yes
All 3 are correct.
A friend of mine was once bitten by a snake on his farm in a village.
The villagers applied a very painful treatment to the bite.
Was my friend in pain? Yes
Did he wish the pain to cease? Yes.
Did he willingly allow himself to be treated? Yes.
So taking that verse and claiming Christ was not a willing sacrifice is unfair to the rest of the bible.
Ephesians 5:2: "...just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God".

DeepSight:
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It defies divine justice to claim that the sins of one person are forgiven because another person is killed. It is also akin to ritual human sacrifice.

So are you saying that the sacrifice of Christ was unjust to Him or unjust to mankind?

Now, this is clearly your opinion and you adapted this opinion because of your dislike for the religion.

First, Jesus Christ's sacrifice was a willing sacrifice because of His love for us.

Secondly, in nature, it's very common to seen the actions of one having consequences for many.

Third, you are looking at death from a limited and narrow angle. This is what Jesus Christ said about His death.
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.

It seems you are just vigorously searching for a reason to fault Christianity.

Now if the wages of sin is death, it would have been unjust if that sin is forgiven without the wages paid? So you seem to have it completely mixed up.

Jesus Christ's sacrifice showed 2 things.
1. God's Justice in that the wages of sin was fully paid.
2. God's mercy in that through the atonement of Christ all mankind can be saved.

DeepSight:
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Christianity, barring the elevated teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, has clear problems. Teachings such as the virgin birth, the deity of Christ, the Trinity and the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ for remission of sins are all self evidently absurd and contradictory.

Lol
You only find problems with what you don't like.
If you can entertain the idea that you are a cell in the body of a God buts a virgin birth somehow becomes a bridge to far for you. You are the absurd one here.

You are open to crazy ideas just not Christianity.

But I have no problem with you because you are just like most human beings, you act based on feelings and emotions. And it's not necessarily a bad thing

DeepSight:
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These questions belong in the realm of the unknowable surely.

Lol
You criticise the things you don't know when you don't like them, e.g Christianity. And then you promote the things you have no idea about when they somehow appeal to you.

We humans are all the same. We all seek something to believe in

Galapagous:
And who is the architect with their so call playbook. Abeg research B4 u start unnecessary argument.

I have actually researched, unlike most of you. Iran is the architect of all their problems, or do I say bad leadership? There is a reason why Iran is very poor, and Saudi Arabia is very rich. You should be asking yourself, what did the Saudis get right? America is not the cause of their problem. Iran has spent more on ballistic missiles and nuclear technology than on desalination plants. They spend more funding on proxy terror groups than on developing their abundant solid minerals.
The total cost of Iran’s nuclear odyssey (from inception to 2013) is well over $100 billion, but you choose to blame the US for its poverty.
Iran has spent over $36 billion since 2012 to prop up its regional network and the Assad regime in Syria. We are talking about a very poor country with the wrong priorities.

ayoncox:
yes

How can you show that please

ojuu4u:
Wen a man is totally bias, it must becloud his sense of rational thinking.


Don't blame him, religion usually taken sense of judgement.

I tell you. They never learn

HacheNoire:
Be patient!

You will know!

Oga stop fooliing yourself. If you know anything the rest of the world doesn't, tell us.
You can't be a better journalist than Al Jazeera from your village in Ogbomosho.

Sorry to the good people of Ogbomosho for bringing your city into this

emkz:
I noticed biased coverage among the media.

It seems Israel is hiding casualty figures while Iran's figures are amplified.

Also, the delays in evacuations shows that the idea was that after the fall of the ayatollah, Iran would fall. That has backfired.

The penetration and lack of defense of Gulf countries indicates that they were caught unawares.

The continuous barrage of missiles from Iran shows that Iran was already dangerous without having nukes. With the quality of missiles they have developed, I am suspecting they might have secretly developed nukes or are nearing having the capability.

All in all, let everyone remain in their own countries. If someone did not drop a bomb in another country because they wanted to drop first so that the other country will not drop first, this would not happen.

The Persian empire is far older than many of those trying to claim superiority over them. Defeating such a people is not a tea party.

Right now, let the belligerents count their losses and accept they messed up. Let there be no military bases anywhere in the middle east. Let no one have no nukes in the middle east.

Additional miscalculation was launching an attack during Ramadan. Every fighter of the faith sees dying as a martyr during Ramadan a huge spiritual blessing. Until now, there is no clear explanation as to why the hornet's nest was stirred.

You guys just sit in your homes and type your wishes and dreams as reality.

If you have different figures from Al Jazeera, we would love to have it.
Just so you know, the Israeli government hates Al Jazeera. They are one of the most hostile news agencies to the Israeli people. So you have zero excuse.

Al Jazeera is more likely to amplify the Israeli numbers and reduced the Iranian figure.

Anyway, I understand your shock because like many, you fed into the Iranian propaganda

HacheNoire:
Iran consist of 90 million people with massive land mass. They don’t hide figures and strikes. Journalist show us.

Even when Indian journalist confirmed bombs were catching people in bunkers, Israel will say only one died. Journalist can’t even show devastation and air casualties.

The biggest joke is US saying they lost ONLY 7 soldiers. I will sell a plot of land directly behind Aso Rock for 200k to anyone who believes that lie.

Oga, release your own official figures. It seems you know something no one else in the entire world knows

Galapagous:
And allow your resources be funnel and control by a bully. You people need to understand what is at stake here, so you don't pasuade people to sell their generational wealth.

Iran was dwindling in poverty, what wealth are you talking about? Their currency has become worthless.

HacheNoire:
Israel and US censorship playing out!

Iran hides nothing! CNN is present on ground showing us all happening there!

Israel has activated censorship! Even when the little we see shows us massive destruction, they tell you only one died.

Same way US is still claiming only 7 died. They can’t hide actual figures for long! It’s just for a little time.

Oga, can't you read that the source is Al Jazeera.
And I guess you work in the Iranian ministry of information to know that Iran hides nothing right?
They hide nothing but block their citizenship from the internet. Brother just use your common sense

ayoncox:
Psalm 22 vs 30, John 12:24, Isaiah 61 vs 3

Was Psalm 22.30 refering to Christ?
Same question goes for Isaiah 61.3

ayoncox:
Christians means little Christ or Followers of Christ, We are both Sons of Christ and Sons of God because we are the seeds of Christ

While I would love to agree with you, do you have any scriptural verse that indicates that Christians or Followers of Christ are His seeds?

nairalanda1:
Your last sentence also implies Nigeria would benefit from oil price increases too.

Nigeria should but with the kind of leaders we have, nothing good ever happens in Nigeria, so I don't know. But I am sure our politicians would benefit heavily.

nairalanda1:
1.I don;t see Venezuela paying off all their debts. Their economy is even more dependent on oil than Nigeria. And even more import dependent

2.Canada and Norway have diversifed economies, and can live without oil. Norway also...has a tiny population (not up to ten million people) and produces far more oil than NIgeria ever does. ...even on a good day.

The question was not if Canada or Norway can live without oil, but whether they would benefit, and the short answer is yes. Again, no one says Venezuela would pay all its debts. Very few countries are debt-free, but every extra dollar is a huge benefit.

nairalanda1:
Venezuela won't benefit. They got debts to pay off either way

Canada and Norway have diversified economies. Oil is just another venture for them. They can survive without it.

Even if they are able to pay part of their debts, that's a huge benefit. As for Canada and Norway, oil and gas contribute 21% and 56% of their exports, respectively. These are super huge figures. So yes, they would benefit greatly. In fact, Oil and gas are the biggest exports of the 3 nations above

HacheNoire:
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The Iran effect!

Strangle their livelihood till they fold!

Should be at $200 by the end of next week. Major oil installations have not started going up in flames.

Actually, the Middle East produces only 20 percent of the world's oil, and though it's a big number can be accommodated. The biggest losers will be Iran as number 1, then the rest of the Gulf states, and then countries like China and Japan that are overdependent on Gulf oil.
The biggest winners would be Canada, Venezuela, Norway, and other major oil producers. Nigeria always loses so we would not talk about them

ayoncox:
Read Isaiah 9 vs 1, Also know the meaning of God, the word God in the Bible means Supreme Judge

Ok. So are Christians the Sons of God or the Sons of Christ or both?

ayoncox:
The answer you seek for is in John 1 vs 12 to 13, John 17 and 1 John 5

John 1.12&13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

These verses talk about Jesus Christ giving people power to become the Sons of God. Are you saying that becoming a Son of God means that Jesus Christ becomes your father? Do you have a scripture to back this?

Becoming a Son of God, is it the same as becoming a Son of Christ?

twilliamx:
Keep fooling yourself. Una don carry dis una behaviour enter pastorship. Your cultist pastor

Actually I don't look to Odumeje as a pastor but he is no difference from the rest. Just because one speaks posh and the other doesn't is no guarantee that he is the fake one. The two are fake. Every pastor who got wealthy from his church is a robber.

cornelboy:
You didn't ask about his wife

No, sir, that verse does not refer to wife. Please read it first if you want to comment.
This verse also could help you understand.
Isaiah 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

This is a verse talking about Jesus Christ seeing His seeds or His children

ayoncox:
Beyond being children we are the government on his shoulders

Yeah, but for now, I am only interested in knowing who His children are. Do you have an answer to that sir? Again, how do you understand this verse
Isaiah 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Who are His seed?

Isaiah declared in Isaiah 9:6 that Jesus Christ is The everlasting Father. To become a father, one must have children, so it is important to ask, who are the Children of Jesus Christ? Secondly, from the verse, we learn that He is no ordinary father, He is The everlasting Father. What makes His fatherhood everlasting?

twilliamx:
Scam of a pastor. No original content needed. The fake pastor is indeed the greatest content creator

And you feel your pastor is better because he is more posh and speaks good English?

FreeStuffsNG:
220 US forces killed or wounded in Iranian retaliatory strikes in past 24 hours

Saturday, 07 March 2026


An Iranian Army spokesman says 220 American soldiers and commanders have been killed or wounded and significant damage has been inflicted on American assets in the region in retaliatory attacks by the Iranian Armed Forces over the past 24 hours.

The spokesperson for Iran’s Khatam al-Anbiya Central Headquarters, Lieutenant Colonel Ibrahim Zolfaghari, said on Saturday that 21 American service members were killed and a number of others injured during Iranian attacks on the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain.

He added that some 200 American personnel were also killed and wounded during strikes against the US military base in Al Dhafra Air Base.

The Armed Forces also targeted an oil tanker owned by the United States in the northern part of the Persian Gulf, he noted.


US confirms Iran destroyed $300m radar system in Jordan
The US confirmed that Iran has destroyed a key $300 million radar system used by US THAAD missile defense systems at Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan.
The US and Israel waged a fresh round of unlawful military aggression on Iran on February 28, some eight months after they carried out unprovoked attacks on the country and its nuclear facilities.

The attacks led to the martyrdom of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei and hundreds of Iranian civilians, including women and children, as well as military commanders.

Iran began to swiftly retaliate against the strikes by launching barrages of missile and drone attacks on the Israeli-occupied territories as well as on US bases in regional countries.

Iranian officials have said that only US and Israeli assets and interests are being targeted and that the Islamic Republic has no enmity toward the host countries and respects their sovereignty.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2026/03/07/765077/220-US-forces-killed-or-wounded-in-Iranian-strikes-in-24-hours

Please, why is nairaland allowing fake news on its front page?

WriteerNg:

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What half of the world?

Mention the countries that are half of the world?

Mention the Arab countries Iran is yet to bomb.
Minus Hezbollah, who else is on Iran's side?

WriteerNg:

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They have warned and warned yet these countries refused to listen.

Now they're going to pay the price for hosting US military facilities in their country.

The US is safe and sound in their home while these fuuuulish countries are being used as cannon fodder against Iran.

Let's continue to watch who pays the greater price.
The movie has only began. If you think Iran can take on half the world then I have nothing to say to you than let's watch together.

Walz001:
You got it wrong in this

most people serving a prison sentence are required or have the opportunity to work while incarcerated. These programs aim to provide structure, teach job skills, and help with reintegration after release, but the specifics vary significantly by country and prison system.

Please, which is it, are they required or do theyhave the opportunity to work? These are two completely different things. Or are you saying that we run a slave program in our prisons? Educate us more on the subject, please.

DeltaBachelor:
Chai. Can you imagine divorce on something as trivial as this. Anyways, na their own kettle of fish abeg !

It's not trivial at all, it's important to establish family values and beliefs. As a man, I want to agree with what my kids are being taught especially when it comes to God and morals. Today, we can hardly see 2 churches that agree on almost anything.

Flangelo12:


Funniest thing I'll read today for sure.

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It's funny many are not seeing how foolish this story is.

First, Iran is reporting that warplanes they bought to protect them in war are now the ones needing protection and hidden underground.
Why get warplanes if your only intention is to hide them when the fighting starts.
Secondly, if this is true,, Iran is now exposing their tactics to the enemy in the name of boasting.
Anyhow you look at it, something is terrible wrong with the Iranians.

josielewa:
WELL, YOU ARE RIGHT. WHAT IF THEY GET DEFEATED AGAIN, OR A PEACE DEAL IS REACHED, WHAT HAPPENS, THE ENEMITY JUST GETS BIGGER, NOTHING MORE. I CAN ASSURE THAT THEY CANT DEFEAT HEZBOLLAH IN THIS WAR. SAME HEZBOLLAH GIVIVNG ISRAEL A TOUGH TIME SINCE WHEN...WELL WHAT DO I KNOW....

I don't know your point here. But it's clear that Israel is doing far more damage than Hezbollah and Iran combined. Right now, I would love to be the IDF than the IRG or Hezbollah.
Again, I reject your notion that Hezbollah and Iran can't be defeated, that the war will only get bigger, nothing more.
Germany and Japan were much stronger forces in ww2 and they got defeated. It's not rational to say an army can't be defeated just because you like it.