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Flangelo12:
Yes he can.

He is even trying to rollback birthright citizenship enshrined in the constitution.

I'm sure you think that's right too.

I can bet you've never lived abroad, have no clue how it functions unless on TikTok and YouTube.

Oga how many other countries have the birthright citizenship?
Are you saying US is the only country that knows what's right?

Again, you love to derail. It's not about where I have or have not lived. We are discussing if a nation has the right to deport illegals and not where I have lived. Please act your age and stop the childishness.

How many countries in the EU have birthright citizenship laws, how about the UK, how about Nigeria? Why should it be wrong to say that hoping on a plane just to give birth in the US should not be enough to make your child a citizen.

Why do you boys expect so much more from the US than your own country?

Flangelo12:
Yes, there are documented instances of people who had been granted asylum, or were in the process of seeking it with valid protections, being deported from the USA, particularly under intensified, rapid, and "third-country" removal policies in early 2025 and 2026. These actions often occurred despite existing legal protections and active litigation.

Third-Country Removals: The U.S. has deported individuals—including those with pending or approved asylum claims—to third countries (e.g., Cameroon, Costa Rica, Ghana, El Salvador) rather than their home countries, often to avoid legal roadblocks.

Targeted Demographic Groups: Reports indicate that LGBTQ individuals, such as Iranian and Venezuelan asylum seekers, have faced deportation even after seeking protection.

[b]Documented Cases: [/b]In early 2026, a Russian family with a scheduled appointment was deported to Costa Rica. In another case, an Ecuadorian woman fleeing abuse was deported to her country of origin hours before a court ordered her removal to be blocked.

You gave only 2 so called documented cases without any evidence that they even occured but let's assume you are been honest and the Russian family and Ecuadorian woman were deported, you are still yet to give one documented case of someone granted asylum who was deported?
The cases you mentioned, the affected have not been granted asylum yet.
Do you see what you are doing to yourself?
With the entire internet before you, you are yet to produce one documented case of someone granted asylum who was deported.
Yet somehow, you made yourself believe that Trump is deporting people who were granted asylum.

Again, can and should a president revoke asylum if he finds that it is not deserved? The only answer is capital Yes.

Ourtruth247:
The Jewish Connection

This is a very important aspect of this subject and I have to touch on it before I proceed with further information

Jews control the world. They control the American government, own the financial institutions that control global finance, own and control majority of the news outlets that disperse information, own and control the entertainment industry.

Majority of the people in the Epstein files are Jews. In fact Epstein is stated in the files to be a trained mossad agent, with strong connections to the Israeli military and close associates with top Israeli politicians, who all participate in the procurement and trafficking of underage kids to be raped, killed, tortured, murdered and eaten

Stop spreading fake news. We have far more none Jews in those files. Can you provide any evidence to back your narrative that majority of the people in the Epstein files are Jews.
Please list the Jews mentioned in the files and I will list the non Jews. I hate foolish lies.

What about the P Diddly parties? were they also dominated by Jews.

Flangelo12:
People granted asylum are not illegal.

Seems you don't even know the meaning.

Yes they are not unless their asylum is reversed. Can you mention one person who has an active asylum granted and was deported under Trump or are you here to wait everyone's time.
Now since you agree that all illegals should be deported, then what do you really have against Trump? What would you do differently if you were president?
Again, what was your purpose in bringing Trump's wife into this discussion. It seems you only wanted to distract.

DeepSight:
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I repeat, I am agnostic. I don't know. I am having this discussion with LordReed primarily to show him that its a serious possibility worth considering and not a fringe lunatic idea to be laughed off as he seems to think.

As to whether there is a difference between creation and being thoughts in the mind of a God, no there isn't much of a difference.

Small question. What if we are like little cells in the body of a God?

Ok, you don't even believe this but you having this argument just for the sake of it.
So let's go on, even if we are cells in the body of a great God, were we created? When we die, does the God lose cells?
Let's develop this theory as much as we can.

DeepSight:
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I like this post.

The truth is that I remain agnostic to this reality and its essential nature. Frankly I dont think we can ever know it while we are here.

Nonetheless the idea that we are "thoughts" in the mind of "God" is one I am acquainted with and frankly feel might just be the case. The very imagination of a divine or transcendental being. Its possible. That would be different from simulation theory but honestly the line is very very thin. Also it could well be that we are the "dream" of another being. It could well be that we are the "living and biological" projections of a mind that we cannot understand. It could also be that we are in a virtual reality spawned by someone else or something else out there.

I do have this persistent feeling though, that death is a pointer to the truth. Because the way the fire just goes out of the candle and the body rots is quite something to reflect on. I often feel it is a pointer to the fact that this world is some sort of fleeting contrived reality. If you have ever experienced the sudden death of a person close to you, it will strike you more poignantly, you will feel that effect of something being suddenly deleted or removed in an incomprehensible way which does not feel on all fours with the true existence of a living and real being.

To add to this the constants and details required to sustain this reality are far too specific such that one is led to believe that there is a design or program of some sort out there. What its purpose is, is hard to tell, but I also have the feeling it may just be an experiment of one kind or the other, a highly advanced experiment by cosmic beings we cannot understand.

There are many possibilities to ponder but even just looking at the workings of ants in an anthill, I will never believe this world is a work of chance.

So you are simply saying that you really have no idea but somehow, your heart just leans towards this theory.
If that is the case, there is no argument to be made here.
In a way, this is your religion. Like many others, you have no evidence but you just depend on faith. That's why you entertain such beliefs.
Basically, you think we are a movie playing in the mind of a God.

Again, to my question, how is this different from creation.

Flangelo12:
She came in through the Einstein visa.

That woman that still struggles with English.

I am still waiting for you to say that she broke the law. So far, you are only trying to distract.
Would you welcome illegal s to your home?
Would you advise the Nigerian government to allow 20 million illegals from Mali and Congo?
What you don't want for yourself and your nation, why wish it on others. Remember the golden rule.

DeepSight:
Dear LordReed, following our discussion here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8617978/real-truth-world-13-years

I promised to open a new thread to specifically discuss the idea that we live in a simulation.

So here goes.

Let me start by saying that the idea that the world is a mere "shadow" or "reflection" of a kind is an old one in history, philosophy and indeed religion. Plato's Allegory of the Cave springs to mind in this regard, where he describes a scenario where some men are imprisoned in a cave all their lives and only ever see the shadows of real beings passing by outside the cave.

Plato’s Allegory of the Cave describes a group of prisoners chained in a dark cavern, facing a wall where they see only the shadows of objects carried before a fire behind them. Having known nothing else, they mistake these flickering silhouettes for reality itself. When one prisoner is freed and dragged into the sunlight, he is initially blinded and pained by the brilliance of the true world, eventually realizing that the Sun is the source of all life and truth, while the cave was merely a dim reflection. However, upon returning to the cave to enlighten his peers, he is mocked and rejected, as the prisoners prefer the comfort of their familiar illusions over the difficult ascent toward objective knowledge.
---Culled.

Indeed the same idea of the illusory nature of the world is ubiquitous in religion as well. The Holy Quran describes the world as a shadow. Al-Hadid Surah 57:20. And so does the Holy Bible - 1 Chronicles 29:15.

The Question of Reality

Now the question is just how "real" our reality is. At this juncture I would like to correct your notion of illusion. You should note that even a hallucination has some reality to the extent that it is an experience. Even a video game has some reality to the extent that it is experienced. Thus it seems to me that when you place the test as asking one to jump off a building and see the result, you are missing the point. That we are having an experience in this world of some kind or the other is beyond cavil, the question is just how substantial in reality that experience is. For me, it is clear that we cannot proceed without establishing what we mean by something that is properly real.

The definition I work with is something that exists in substance by itself as opposed to something which is only put on: as opposed to a set of images, feeling or sounds which are cast before the experiencer merely to experience and which can be removed in the same way as one may wake from a dream, or one may remove a VR Headset, or one may come out of a video game or a movie or the like. It is my contention that this life is similar to a contrived set of experiences cast before us but lacking in the substantiality of its own base realness.

You have to ask yourself, for the day is surely coming, when Virtual Reality technology will be so advanced as to be completely indistinguishable from our reality - you have to ask yourself if such VR experiences will thus be "real." You see, in such VR experiences there will still be cause and effect just as jumping from a building and falling down, and you could even be made to feel pain therein.

Now, let us examine the fundamental argument for Simulation Theory.

Simulation Theory

What is Simulation Theory?

Simulation theory is the philosophical and scientific hypothesis that our entire reality—including the universe, Earth, and all conscious beings—is actually an artificial construct, such as a highly advanced computer program. Rooted in Nick Bostrom's 2003 "Simulation Argument," the theory suggests that if a civilization achieves the "post-human" stage of technological maturity, they would likely have the computing power to run "ancestor simulations" indistinguishable from reality; therefore, statistically, it is more probable that we are living in one of many simulated environments rather than in the original "base" reality.
----Culled.

Think about the above. It is logically sound and rationally consistent. The statistical likelihood of us living in what would be "base reality" is close to zero. This is something that many serious thinkers understand and acknowledge and thus I wondered at the slight edge of mockery with which you seemed to be approaching the subject in the other thread.

As argued by Philosopher Nick Bostrom: If any civilization eventually develops the power to run "ancestor simulations," they will likely run millions of them. This means there would be millions of "fake" realities and only one "real" one, making the odds that we are in the original "Base Reality" about one in a billion.

Other Arguments for a Simulated Reality

Binary Code: In the other thread, I showed you the discovery of binary code in the background of our physical universe. You and others have interpreted it to mean that the scientist was merely describing reality using binary code. This is not the case at all. The reason that there is that binary code similarity is because he actually saw in the base background of the physical universe repeating patterns in binary form. The fact that he then describes them as such does not take away from the fact that those patterns exist. Dr. James Gates Jnr explained that he found "doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block codes" embedded in the theoretical equations that describe the universe.

But beyond this, let me extract for you other key arguments -

Beyond the binary code discovery by Dr. James Gates, the most prominent scientific argument for a programmed reality comes from the field of Digital Physics, specifically centered on the idea of Computational Efficiency. The strongest suggestion today isn't a single "smoking gun" like a line of code, but rather a series of "coincidences" in physics that mirror how we optimize modern video games.

1. Quantum "Lazy Rendering" (The Observer Effect) In high-end video games, the computer doesn't render the entire world at once; it only "draws" the room the player is currently in to save processing power. Physicists like Max Tegmark and Nick Bostrom point out that the Observer Effect in quantum mechanics works exactly like this. A particle exists in a blurry state of "probability" (the wave function) until someone looks at it, at which point it "collapses" into a definite state.
----Culled.

The Double Slit Experiment

This here is where I bring in the double slit experiment. I was shocked to my bone that you claimed it had nothing to do with consciousness. The experiment is well known to have unveiled the way outcomes change based on whether there is conscious observation or not. Your arguments about instruments are neither here nor there for always the instruments were only aids for observation by conscious beings. And it remains puzzling till this day how that "observer effect" works out in quantum physics. However it strongly suggests that our reality is only rendered before us upon observation and thus that it is not intrinsically there - thereby destroying your claim on object permanence. And yes sir, I say this as an adult and not a child and the scientists who discovered all these were not children either.

The object permanence you observe is obviously a built in factor of the program, just as if you store something somewhere in a video game, you will return to meet it there when you log in. This does not mean that the thing was anywhere there or anywhere in fact while you were logged out. It was not.

I will post separately on the double slit experiment in order to nail the point that conscious observation was central to outcomes and this alone hammers home the point that this reality is an artificial construct.

2. The Universe's "Pixel Rate" (The Planck Scale) In a digital world, you can only zoom in so far before you hit a pixel—a minimum unit of space. In our universe, there is a theoretical "smallest" possible length called the Planck Length.T he Sim Argument: If the universe were truly "natural" and analog, you should be able to divide space infinitely. The fact that there is a hard "resolution limit" suggests our reality may be discrete (made of bits) rather than continuous.
----Culled.

This is why I mentioned how our reality is pixelated. Zooming in one can see that it is so constructed in bits. This again is a pointer.

3. The "Processor Speed" (The Speed of Light) Just as a computer processor has a maximum clock speed that limits how fast information can travel across a circuit board, our universe has a universal speed limit: the speed of light.

4. The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis: Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at MIT, argues for the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH). He notes that the deeper we look into reality, the more the "physical" stuff disappears, leaving only mathematical structures behind. The Argument: If you look at a video game character, they look like a person, but they are actually just a collection of numbers and equations. Tegmark argues that since our universe is perfectly described by math, it may literally be a mathematical structure (or a program) rather than a physical thing that math just happens to describe.
-----Culled.

Let me leave these as my opening arguments on this matter. Further down the line I will introduce other arguments, some may be scientific but beware that I will also dive into the metaphysical and philosophical in discussing this matter.

But before I close this post I must comment on your argument that there doesn't exist enough energy to create the simulation that is our world. Are you telling me that you know the sum total of all energy available in the universe or even all reality? I pointed out to you not only that it is impossible for a being within any given reality to know the level of energy it takes to render that reality, it cannot possibly even know the kind of energy.

It surprised me that this was lost on you because it is as simple as saying you cannot assess or access what is outside your universe, or can you? It is utterly impossible and inconceivable.

One thing for sure is that we are experiencing this reality be it real or artificial so somehow or the other sufficient energy exists to have presented it. The trouble with your supposition is that the particular calculations of scientists in terms of how they would believe a virtual reality such as this can be rendered must be the way it is in fact done, which is nothing but ridiculous assumption.

Over to you for now.

cc: OurTruth, SporaD8, Kayouzka, triplechoice,

Your entire point here is that you are a simulation in another being's reality. You are programmed.
But then, to understand you better, let's differentiate two things.
Many of us on the religious side believe we are creations.
You believe you are a simulation.
Can you make definitions and differences between the two?
Because at the end, we just might be saying the same thing.

Flangelo12:
I agree.

Melania should be deported.

You also want to deport US citizens? Some people need help. The beautiful lady came in legally and she met all requirements to become a citizen. Please don't confuse criminals with legal migrant. Very different.

Flangelo12:
See reasoning, God.

The problem is that most of you refuse to reason. You think illegal immigrants are some how on your side. Who do you think would do the jobs illegals are presently doing if they are all kicked out?
Legal immigration makes far more sense for Africans.
At least, you can speak English, you would most likely get a visa than a Spanish speaker from a Banana republic.

Smartguyboy:
They don’t want you guys to come to their country anymore and many 3rd world countries are still supporting their evil .

Oga don't confuse yourself. I know many Nigerians who legally applied for a US visa, they had all their papers and yet were refused. Some have been applying for years. Yet one south American only needs to cross the Mexican border and gets all the benefits that the honest Nigerian will not get.
These illegal immigrants are not your friends. They are the number 1 reason why it is so hard to get a US visa.
Imagine the 12 million to 20 million illegal immigrants are removed, getting a US visa will become too easy because the US would actually need you in their country.
I truly hope and pray that Trump is able to flush out these illegals. It will ultimately lead to a boom in legal migration.
Lastly, I will never be in support of running into another person's country illegally.
We all should be law abiding.

Flangelo12:
If you think depot and deport are the same thing, it's no surprise you assume immigrants are criminals, when statistics prove they commit less crime and contribute more economically than natural born citizens.

No one is complaining about immigrants but if your government will do nothing about illegal immigrants then your government is irresponsible.
Since you believe that illegal immigration is a wonderful thing, will you be willing to accept any and every stranger that migrants to your home. Remember, the commit less crimes than your children and will contribute more to your family than your kids.
Please let's get serious.

Olamila:
Trump is evil, his just the Buhari of America, the damage he will cause America can’t be fix in decades to come

Some of you need to calm down.
First, if a judge is granting 97% asylum, something fishy is definitely going on and such a judge needs to be checked.

Lastly, America is doing just fine under Trump.
Violent crime is at its lowest since 1990
The economy is growing at a very fast rate.
The rate of inflation is at its lowest in 4 years.
If this is what you call damage, then let Tinubu damage Nigeria like that biko.

Fred

budaatum:
I am only just reading it now you told me and I went to search and find it was true, and as I write I'm smiling.

Let's forget midterms please, it's not till November after all, and think what impact tariffs have on consumers. Will Americans vote to pay for inflation?

Will you import tokunboh to Nigeria, pay custom, tariffs, etc, and not make customer pay plus profit?

Emphasis on the consequence, below is why I smile. Ruefully.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7255316/

History is the best teacher they say. Last year, April 1st, Trump raised tariffs. What was the result?
1. The US government earned hundreds of billions.
2.The US economy had been growing at a very fast rate ever since.
3. What was the effect on inflation? The rate of Inflation actually went down.

I may not be the best economics student but at least I follow history.

Lastly, Nigeria has very high tariffs. Would you advise the Tinubu government to put an end to that? I would really love to hear your opinion on this

budaatum:
Actually, I wasn't surprised he won, as I never felt Americans would vote for Kamala considering the misogyny and racism prevalent there, and the fact she started campaigning like 100 days before the elections and not 2 years before, which might have given her a chance.

The big deal for dump losing the mid terms, and I'm hoping both houses, is it would tie his hands behind his back so he can't do much of the nonsense he's been doing.

Trust me, I can't wait for him to be lame ducked.

Bro Trump just increased tariffs on all countries, hope you are following?
How do you think this will impact the midterms?

Amotolongbo:
Ideologies that forbid marrying outside the church, denomination and faith.
Ideologies that mandate the potential suitor to see the pastor before proceeding on anything.
Ideologies that keep a young lady in church in blossom days and not giving them the chance to position themselves where they will be seen.

I don't think that there is any evidence that the ideologies you mentioned above have a big role in keeping women single.
I also think that a marriage is more likely to break up if husband and wife have conflicting ideologies such as religion.

Studies in the U.S. and Europe have found that marriages where both spouses share the same religious affiliation tend to have lower divorce and dissolution rates compared with interfaith marriages. Large population studies indicate that religious heterogamy (being from different religions) is associated with a higher risk of marital dissolution after controlling for other factors.

So, it is in fact the opposite. Women are more likely to become single if the marry outside their religion

Hankim:
They should give up the hope of getting husband at this point and focus on how to survive in their old age, no young man is going to marry them with that age

They may not be looking for young men

Amotolongbo:
You could be wrong.
Some ladies have been mislead by the so called religious ideology of some “god of men”

You mean there are religious ideologies that admonish ladies not to get married? Pl6tell us more

J

budaatum:
Actually, I wasn't surprised he won, as I never felt Americans would vote for Kamala considering the misogyny and racism prevalent there, and the fact she started campaigning like 100 days before the elections and not 2 years before, which might have given her a chance.

The big deal for dump losing the mid terms, and I'm hoping both houses, is it would tie his hands behind his back so he can't do much of the nonsense he's been doing.

Trust me, I can't wait for him to be lame ducked.

Wait, you call Americans racist?
Are Americans more racist than Nigerians are tribalistic?
Again, the same Americans that voted for Obama twice?
Let's get serious please.
I know you can't wait but in the last 90 years, the president's party has only won the midterm 3 times so again it's no big deal.
That was why he signed the Big Beautiful bill when he could.
Lastly, can you mention one thing that you think will change if the Dems take over the house and senate?

Note that with the exception of the Big Beautiful bill, Trump did not need the house or senate for every other act or policy he carried out.
One more thing, I can assure you that his team are looking into all loopholes to restore tariffs and there is almost always a loophole in the law

budaatum:
But he will. Though I'm certain you think payment must be in dollars, when it will in fact be a loss of votes for his party in November.

Lol, I am no politicians and I don't know tomorrow but I can bet you never expected him to win in 2024 so I am not surprised you still expect him to lose.
Anyway, I'm US politics, the party in power almost always loses the midterm so it's no big deal if it happens to Trump.

FreeStuffsNG:
Smh.

I am not sure that you read and comprehended the report. Trump is a drowning man. He will be forced to refund businesses that he forced to pay the illegal tarriffs. Like he was repeatedly told, it is American businesses, not foreigners, who pay his illegal tarriffs. His alleged roles in attending Epstein parties where trafficked underage girls were on display and used as sex objects will bring him down too like Andrew.


He was probably jinxed by support from the usual bitter people.

Since the Iranian Supreme Leader issued that curse, it has been one loss after another for him.

Funny guy, you talk as if Trump will pay the money from his pocket.
But then, since you brought in Iran and foolish superstitious, let's ask you , who has been cursed?
Iran has run out of water.
The Iranian currency is on a free fall.
Iran is poorer than it was 4 years ago.
Iran lost it's nuclear program and some of its best experts.
Do you still think it is Trump and the US under a curse?

buttlover:
I believe her family and neighbours caused her death. Too much hate speech, gossips and family hating on your financial incapabilities can make one run out of the community. I am far away and healing.

You are more wicked than the people you are blaming. How can you accuse people you don't know of killing someone they love? You have a very dark mind, and you need help

Mirasteel:
This is what America created.

America did not create Islam, and clearly, you know nothing about the Taliban before the 2001 invasion. Please update your knowledge.
Ask yourself, "What were Muslim societies, such as Afghanistan, like before encountering the West? Were men allowed to beat their wives or was it the US that introduced it?

puremaker7:
Wicked people, even in the month of Ramadan

But they are the true followers of Islam
Surah An-Nisa (4:34)
الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ ۚ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ۖ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).

Dtruthspeaker:
As i said, semikuku

I have never seen you this angry. This one enter you no be small.

Dtruthspeaker:
As i said you are semikuku

Bobo, you go try calm down. I understand you and the boy are close. Is he your Son?

Dtruthspeaker:
As i said, you are semikolo

Bobo, this one you remember me today. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but that you boy was utterly mannerless. What did you expect me to do?

Yemmysworld91:
Majority carries the vote and that's the beauty of democracy. So I see nothing wrong. I often do advocate voting the right people into the parliament. I also pray we find a way to make the local government much more vibrant, by so doing governance will be close to the people and we will be able to checkmate those in power.

For a transparent election, electronic transmission is the best, but the majority currently have it in the legislature and we can do nothing for now. Let's respect their decision and wait till we have the right majority in the parliament

What is the use of voting the right people if the elections are rigged?
I would love to hear the argument of senators that voted against electronic transmission.

muykem:
I support electronic transmission but we need to ask ourselves some question. For example, if saboteur cut Anambra state off of Internet on election day, what happened to results there?

Simple, Anambra state election will be postponed to the next day.
Again, if you use a service like Starlings, there wouldn't be any wires to cut.
Yes, there could still be hackers but I am sure Starlings will do everything in their power to prevent all forms of sabotage.

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Janosky:
Tctrills, subtly changing the narrative.
Oga,you are not candid ...
Paul & Jesus specifically spoke about marriage & supported it.
Where did Paul & Jesus teach you to do annual birthdays?
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You are making my point. Paul and Jesus spoke about and supported marriages even though we don't have an account of any of them getting married right.

Now Paul clearly taught that a believer can choose to acknowledge and esteem on day over another even though we have no account of Paul doing that.
Do you finally get it?
You are welcome

[quote author=Janosky post=138495348]Tctrills,honesty is never your strong point ever.
Is Matt 19:3-9 in your Bible?
Yes.
Paul learnt Jesus principle of loving your wife in that verse,so you won't seek flimsy excuse to divorce her .

Romans 14:5 is perhaps the simplest verse in the bible. According to the bible, who are you to judge one for choosing to celebrate or esteem Christmas Day? I advise you to stick to the bible even if it offends the big white bosses of your organization. Trust me, they know nothing. You would be blessed following the teachings of Paul and not your corrupt white boss. For me, it's so easy, I just stick to the revealed word. I don't depend on criminals to worship.
It's good you agree that Angels celebrated the birth of Christ, so what do you have against humans doing the same?

Lastly, nowhere in the christian bible is it recorded that Angels celebrated the creation of Adam. I guess the JW have strange scriptures not found in the bible. For now, let's stick to the bible.


Job 38:4,7
"Where were you when I founded the earth?
When.... All the sons of God began shouting in applause?"
Oga, did the angels celebrate God's creation of man/the earth?
Oga,come & deceive yourself.
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So the bible showed neither Jesus Christ nor Paul loving a wife, yet we follow the principle they taught. Now, Paul taught a principle, and you are asking for evidence of him practicing it. Make that make sense, sir.
Job 38.4,7 talks about the foundation of the earth, not the creation of man. 2 diffrent events. Never was it written that angels rejoiced at the creation of man. Maybe they di,d but it is not recorded in the Christian Bible. Stop spreading lies.