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jesusjnr2020:
John 3:16 (KJV)

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (KJV)

This post is so unnecessary. Just one day is set aside globally for husbands and wives to celebrate their love but you feel you have to distract.
Yes, we recognise God's love but that is not the only love that is needed in our lives.
We need the love of a mother so we celebrate mother's day.
We need the love of a father so we celebrate father's Day.
We need children, family and friends to love us.
We also need the love of a woman or man as the case maybe so we set aside a day for lovers.
Being a Christian doesn't and shouldn't immune us to other forms of love. And all love should be celebrated.

naijapikin2:
This is the best pictorial representation of valentine. John 3:16 says for God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son......the love of God is the greatest love for vain is the help of man.
Shalom 🙏

Some of us Christians really need to get serious.
Valentine's day is set aside for people in a romantic relationship and there is nothing wrong with that.
It is so different from John 3.16.
I mean, why should we always mix things up? As Christians, the goal is not to always look stupid? We can recognise and appreciate a day in which husbands, wives, and anyone in a romantic relationship choose to celebrate without mixing it with John 3.16 and confusing everyone.

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you have proven that you lie too much? Now that i have shown you that you are lied you have now changed mouth

So, now you have run out of any excuses not to answer the question and this proves yet again that you lie when you say that you have answered the question whereas you were claiming that you did not answer the question because Jesus did not answer direct questions until now that you have seen that He did thereby making you a laya

So answer the question if Truth can still come out from you "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?" or rest for everyone is tired of you showing us that the father of lies is your father.

Let me understand you, are your pained because I answered your question with a clear explanation instead of just yes and no?

helinues:
Those who can build space rocket as far back as 60's shouldn't have issue producing quality electronics products.

The exporting was discouraged mostly in Africa countries. We all saw what happened when the Russia Ukraine war started with the sanctioning, it was brutal in the past

Oga, there is a time for logic and a time to have correct information.
Please can you name any russian world-class electronic company?
There are none.
Again, why is the West not brainwashing Africa when it comes to Chinese products today?
North Korea is a giant in missile technology, does that make them your go to for electronics?
Oga the fact remains that even in the 60s when a huge chunk of the world was under the Russian axis, Russian electronics never had a big Market.
But Russian oil, minerals and agriculture have always been in the market. No one was brainwashed to stop buying Russian wheat.

helinues:
At least the Chinese are still fair compared to the West.

Did you know China never colonized any Africa countries. The west came ,colonized and exploited us and give us religion in exchange.

Russia was part of those who started space race, meaning electronics products mean nothing to them but the West brainwashed African to the extent I have never seen any Russia electronic products before

So, Russia or even the USSR always had allies in Africa. The reason why we don't see Russian electronics is because they were not good enough to compete in the free market.
Africa imports wheat and oil from Russia. I
It was never about brainwashing, it was all about the free market.
Even Russians depends on electronics and chips from other countries.

budaatum:
In exchange for what you export tariff free to China, for starts. It's after all going to increase the market you sell to.

But perhaps you have something else in mind, so please share.

Not necessarily. This only makes it easier and cheaper for Chinese companies to obtain raw materials from Africa. Hope you know that raw materials make up the bulk of African exports to China?
This is a brilliant Chinese move but it makes little or no difference for the African countries.

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you have proven that you lie too much? Now that i have shown you that you are lied you have now changed mouth

So, now you have run out of any excuses not to answer the question and this proves yet again that you lie when you say that you have answered the question whereas you were claiming that you did not answer the question because Jesus did not answer direct questions until now that you have seen that He did thereby making you a laya

So answer the question if Truth can still come out from you "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?" or rest for everyone is tired of you showing us that the father of lies is your father.

Sorry bobo, I can't remember you prove anything. And I answered your question just not with a yes or no.
Please ask anyone is a bit more sense, they will tell you that your question has been well attended to

Dtruthspeaker:
Still being ridiculously defiant especially as most of the questions He was asked were not yes and no questions however there were 1 or 2.

Eg when the chief priests asked Jesus, "Do you hear what these children are saying?" That is clearly a yes and no question and what was Jesus answer?

Jesus replied, "Yes,"

So, you see, you are layarr.

So, again are you going to keep making styupi excuses as you keep continue dodging the question "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?" in proof that you yourself know that you are talking rubbish?

Point remains, He did not answer many of their direct questions especially the stupid and evil ones.
Do you get it now?
I answered your question but you choose to remain unwise, how is it my fault nwanne

Dtruthspeaker:
You said he never answered a question and I have shown you that he did, so your saying this one is completely null.

So, again are you going to continue dodging the question "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?" in proof that you yourself know that you are talking rubbish?

Please stop playing dumb and being dishonest. I never said He never answered questions. Let me quote myself.

In your bible, Jesus Christ never answered the evil Pharisees with yes or no. 2000 years later I see no reason to reply Pharisees with yes or no.
I am sure you finally get it now.

Please read what I said and make corrections.
I have not changed policy, I will not answer Pharisees with yes or no.

Dtruthspeaker:
No. You are supposed to prove what is being queried and challenged

This is getting too long so let's summarise
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You believe that unless God reveals if Jesus Christ married on earth, you will not obey His instructions on marriage. Unless you have prove or a sign, you will not obey your Father in Heaven.
But for me, I believe we should obey even when He is yet to reveal all things to us. I wouldn't wait to know the marital status of the Saviour before I can obey Him.

Does this summarise our discussion?

Dtruthspeaker:
Not when the question is a closed ended and direct and He still answered the questions directly eg they asked what was the greatest commandments. And He answered the 1st and second commandments.

So, answer the question if really you know that you are are not lying "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?" or rest for your continuous dodging has already proven it.

Bobo, they asked Him a direct question, if they should kill the woman caught on adultery.
Please remind us His answer.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't join my query with his own for he saw your claim that everyone must marry else they are guilty of disobedience which prompted him to ask you whether Jesus disobeyed God when He did not marry nor had kids.

Which means that you are supposed to prove that Jesus married and had children. That is your burden as a claimant and an alleger.

So, now you have admitted that there is no evidence proving your claim which you already knew before so you can see that you have spoken fallsly.

Bobo be calm, I am only supposed to prove that God commanded us to marry and I have already done that.
That's all I need to prove.
Why is it up to me to prove what neither you nor I know?
Please make it make sense.
When the time comes, God will reveal all things to us but for now, it is sufficient for the wise to obey God even though we don't know all things. Just do as you are told and wait for the time of revaluation.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Only a fool will disobey God because he doesn't know if Jesus Christ married or not.

Be wise bobo, don't be a fool.

Dtruthspeaker:
In English language when you are asked "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?" You are required to answer "yes i do say that everyone must marry and have children to obey God or no, i don't say that that everyone must marry and have children to obey God.

And you have been dodging and dodging refusing to commit to your belief because you know you are talking rubbish.

Bobo, in English language, when you are ask a question, you have the privilege to give a broad explanation beyond yes or no. It is called adding clarity.
In fact, it works for all languages.
In your bible, Jesus Christ never answered the evil Pharisees with yes or no. 2000 years later I see no reason to reply Pharisees with yes or no.
I am sure you finally get it now.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you have truly answered the question you won't have said "If after all I have written, you still don't know the answer".

So, you have not answered the question

So pai for your belief and answer directly the question "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned? if indeed you speak the Truth

Oga this is a problem of English language. But say I said, you case is hopeless. We will pray for you.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is why it is called the fallacy of reversing the burden.

It is you who alleges and claims that that everyone must marry and have children to obey God. He only pointed out that Jesus did not marry nor have children.

So you are with the burden of proving that Jesus married and birthed children, if you are not lying.

So, show us where Jesus married and had children. So prove if you are not lying

Bobo your request is foolish at best and here is why.
I only told you what God commanded which is written in every bible.
Now you are telling me that the only way you will obey your God is if I provide evidence that Jesus Christ married.
Now the writers of the bible did not provide any evidence in either direction so you need me to invent evidence before you obey God's commandments clearly written in the bible.
This is what Morden Christianity has become.

Sir, I don't have the evidence you are asking for, so if that will stop you from obeying the written commandments of God, go ahead.

Lastly it was your friend that claimed Jesus Christ did not marry without evidence yet I am the one to provide evidence in the contrary. Make it make sense.

Dtruthspeaker:
Writing off point and Not answering a direct question is the definition of dodging.

Which means that you yourself know that you are wrong and therefore you do not want to commit yourself.

If you truly believe in what you say then commit and be ready to pai for your belief and answer the question directly which you have dodged this past 3 times "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?

I already told you, your case is hopeless, So sorry I can't help you any further. I answered your question 3 times but you keep asking. I can only advise you to seek wisdom and understanding.

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Dtruthspeaker:
Fallacy of reversing the burden of proof.

You are the one claiming that everyone must marry and have children to obey God. And now its been pointed out that Jesus did not marry nor have children.

So if indeed you are saying the Truth then you are the one to prove and show where Jesus married and birthed children.

So, show us where Jesus married and had children.

It was not pointed that Jesus Christ did not marry. The boy thinks that Jesus Christ did not marry and he could not provide any evidence to show that.
It will be stupid to argue what was not revealed. Neither of us knows if Jesus Christ married or not so any argument will be guesswork. I don't do guesswork, I do the revealed word. Thanks for your understanding

DoWhatThouWilt:
All these online keyboard Christians sef. How can someone with a thinking faculty sit down and type all of these?

So Jesus Christ disobeyed God then. He did not marry nor did he have kids.

From what you typed, he choosing to remain single for the sake of the kingdom was disobedience and therefore sin against God since according to you, Gods commandment to marry is for everyone.

Right?

You began with insults to show you are mannerless but no problem, I am use to nairaland. You are just a photocopy of many on this platform.
Please can you point me to the bible verse that taught Jesus Christ did not marry or are you just depending on guesswork?

Some of use only depend on the revealed word so if you teach Jesus Christ did not marry, you need to bring evidence if not you are only making noise.

Dtruthspeaker:
You have not answered the question rather you are asking me to answer the question i asked you to answer which you are dodging from answering.
And since a 5 year old can answer it, oya tell us the answer.

Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?

If after all I have written, you still don't know the answer, then you can't be helped. Continue encouraging people to break God's commands since that's all you have been doing. Enjoy.

Walz001:
we have a long way to go
Why keep people in prison all years without them working with hard labour or working on something meaningful so when they are free they will have something to do than go back to their crime

The warders need to upgrade in their thinking
We the government need to upgrade too everyone is running after their pocket which on the long run will cost us more harm than safety

You need to claim down before you write. Neither the government nor the prison wardens have the right to give hard or forced labour to any prisoner. Only the courts reserve such rights. There is something we call separation of power and the rule of law.

fmlala:
If properly utilized it is ok .................................................................

That's about 12k monthly per prisoner. If 12k well utilized will feed you monthly, then you are a superhero.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are talking Off Point

The question is do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?

Oga, I have answered your question what don't you understand. Willfully disobeying God's word is sin.
So if you willfully choose not to get married, have you willfully disobeyed or not? Have you committed a sin or not? Please stop asking questions that even your 5 year old can answer. We expect better from you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you saying that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?

If you willfully disobey God, that's the definition of sin.
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Are you cleared now?

Dtruthspeaker:
Did God command that everyone must marry that if they do not marry they have sinned?

No.

So, you see you are very very unreasonable

Oga what are you saying?
God's commandment was for every one
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
It was not a commandment to certain people, it was given to everyone.
At this stage, you shouldn't be asking such questions.
Genesis 2:18

“And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.”

Genesis 1:28

“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth…”
Genesis 9:7

“And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.”
So if you choose to disobey God just because you are finding it hard, that's your business.

Dtruthspeaker:
You have still lied another lie against me yet again that i said you should depend on me, whereas i said no such thing. Just this morning you have racked up on your own 2 Lies and 2 perversions and 2 false accusations and you say you don't want danmation.

Meanwhile, it is clear before every reasonable persons eyes that multiply and increase has been deactivated which is why those who managed to marry are birthing an average of 2 children while the rest cannot even marry in accordance with the end of world signs.

Even you have not birthed one, you are not even married self not to talk of you obeying what you preach.

As i said If you want to plant a billion children claiming God Said you should multiply, go and do it na. Let us see if you would not be put to shame

Oga what are you even saying.
Did God command you to marry and have kids or not?
Should you still obey His commandment today?
If the answers to these questions are yes, then you have been wasting everyone's time.

Dtruthspeaker:
Why must you resort to lies ascribing to me what I never said pretending as if you did not understand what I said?

If you want to plant a billion children claiming God Said you should multiply, you think anyone here would stop you?

Is it me who stopped humans from birthing 8children per wife and reduced it to 2? Or is it me who locked up marriages?

God commanded that you flee from fornications and adulteries and more but those ones you would not keep but it is se* the one that sweet you is the one you would carry for head.

Oga let me go back and quote you word for word.

We have already increased and multiplied and rather than replenish the earth man is destroying the earth. Even to the point that God had prophecied that marriage would be hard.

So clearly that increase and multiply plan has since been jettisoned.

According to you, God's plan to increase and replenish the earth has been jettisoned and completed.
So now we depend on you not God to tell us if His work is done right?

Look, I get it, you probably forgot or did not take note that God commanded us to increase and multiply when you made this post.
And maybe I should not have accused you of doing away with God's commandments since it was not your purpose.

But now that I have brought it to your remembrance that it is a commandment from God, I think it is only right and proper for you to start looking at marriage and growing a family as the Word of God, as God's plan for you.

Dtruthspeaker:
We have already increased and multiplied and rather than replenish the earth man is destroying the earth. Even to the point that God had prophecied that marriage would be hard.

So clearly that increase and multiply plan has since been jettisoned.

And really i do not fully claim i understood Paul, but in the light of these i stand to be corrected that this is the understanding he had.

For he did not condemn marriage but he, a man chose and advised single hood saying we shall have "trouble of the flesh".

I know we all think and thought that trouble of the flesh should have been on virgins and single hood but he explicitly said it was married people who shall have trouble of flesh which I know we all thought was the normal cheating and adultery arising out of greed of lust.

But now I am seeing that there are many events and changes which occur in marriages leading and forcing and causing the couples to defile the marriage bed and commit adultery under the cover of reasonable and natural reason.

I will only respond to your first statement. According to you, you are the one to decide that it's time we stop obeying God.
The Lord never instructed man to jettison His plan but because it is hard according to you, you declare the command of God null and void.
You have become God to yourself. You have decided that you are big enough to tell God and the rest of mankind when to end a direct commandment from God.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is now i understand why Paul did not marry and why he said he wished that we would not marry.

This guys threads and his complaints and wailings
https://www.nairaland.com/8610958/like-wives-cannot-keep-up
https://www.nairaland.com/8607331/never-marry-not-rich-small in addition to my own observations has finally made me come to understand why paul said don't marry

Saying that we shall suffer "the troubles of the flesh"

And now I can see that the troubles of the flesh he was referring to are these things that this guy has chosen to expose and confess clearly whilst we are all being strongheaded trying to quel these fires especially as we were not foretold of them before we married and so we all find ourselves struggling against these unexpected tides and waves in marriages.

And truly overcoming these things are very very hard and now I can say that even if the couple did not do anything wrong, marriage is too too hard that they must do something wrong. And all it takes to break it is for one party to fall for one of the travails of the flesh. Meanwhile there are many many travails, these are just the ones we have seen so far oo. Who knows what other surprise shall befall us married people.

Of which the longer we are married the harder it gets to stay faithful.

So, now I understand Paul but bros should have explained na.

It's clear that you may not fully understand what Paul wrote but then would you also misunderstand the direct commandments of God?
"Increase multiply and replenish the earth."

Whatever you think Paul was teaching is overruled by the commandment of God.

Marriage is a commandment.
The Lord taught that a man will leave his house and marry and the 2 shall become one.

The Lord also taught that there is a blessing for those who marry. They obtain favour from the Lord.

So just because you misunderstood a verse from Paul doesn't give you the audacity to disobey the Lord.

Janosky:
You have defined God on the basis of Nicene Creed set up by emperor Constantine but you are rejecting John 3:16 & Deut 10:17.
Oga,is Jesus the God of gods?
No.
Jesus is not God.
God sent Jesus. Jn 3;16. Rom 8:3.
God did not send himself.
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Oga, what is the meaning of " I am" @ John 8:24,28?
" I will be" is the Hebrew expression @ Exodus 3:12,14.
Zero connection between Exodus 3:12,14 & John 8:24,28,58


Do you expect Hausa man to give you correct meaning of a Yoruba word?
No.
Why do you expect an English man to give you the meaning of a Hebrew word?
"I am" is not hebrew "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh" (meaning " I will be" @ Exodus 3:12,14.
King james Bible dictionary screenshot evidence debunks "I am" .
Mark 14:62,"I am" mean that Jesus is the messiah.
No add maggi & curry spice to give distorted meaning..
Oga, pls learn more.

My dear friend, it is you bible that declared Jesus Christ to be God not Nicene or any other creed
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1.8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom

It is the Father that declared Jesus Christ to be God not Nicene.

Niyiwealth:
Statistically, all of them.

What stats are you using?
Goals, assist, chances created, trophies won, what?

triplechoice:
You have only described what it means to be religious, and then made a logical leap to the conclusion that "It is impossible to be spiritual without being religious".

You left out the most important question:

What does it mean to be spiritual?.

Unless you're claiming that being religious is the same thing as being spiritual, which I disagree with, your final summation does not make logical sense.

I did not see any need to define spirituality. My only purpose was to correct your wrong understanding of religion and being religious.
To me, you meant to say that you do not prescribe to organized religion.