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Steep:
you are the one Clearly confused here.
Adam cannot decide what is good or evil by himself except what God told him. I have repeated it over and over again.
Adam had no self awareness of what is good or evil except what God told him. Read my words in context and don't pull a line to confuse yourself.

you pull out a single sentence and twist it.

You need to calm down, Adam did not obtain knowledge of Good and Evil from God telling him rather, he obtained it from eating the fruit which is what the bible teaches unless you don't agree with the bible.
That you actually believe that Adam acquired the knowledge of good and bad from God telling him and not from eating the fruit shows you do not agree with the bible. The Bible never taught that Adam learned Good and Evil from God telling him. So let's know if you have a problem with the bible's narrative.
Also, how would you interpret this scripture; Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Steep:
Is it that difficult to grasped? You Adam does not possess the knowledge of good and evil himself but he knew it was evil to eat from the fruit.
A tree bear fruit of itself, God calls it the tree of knowledge of God and evil because anyone that eats the fruit of it will have a self awareness of what good and evil is.
Yes of cause nobody that has not sinned even while he or she knows the consequences.

Are you listening to yourself? Adam does not possess the knowledge of good and evil himself but he knew it was evil to eat from the fruit. In what world does this statement make any sense?
You also say "anyone that eats the fruit of it will have a self-awareness of what good and evil is." So, was Adam self-awareness of good and evil before eating the fruit?
You seem to be neither here nor there. Adam either had knowledge of right and wrong or he did not. Where really do you stand sir? You don't need to be controversial, this is so simple.

Steep:
note the word " the man has become like one of us" the knowledge of good and evil is part of God's nature in that he knew what was good or evil by himself. the knowledge of good and evil became part of man's inherent nature" that is what it means man became independent from God.

A two year old does not fully understand his actions unlike a sixteen year old. However, Adam was never like a two year old, he knew eating from that tree would bring death and he ate, so he knew the implications of his action.

You seem not to understand the words. God made the statement " the man has become like one of us" after the fruit was eaten. Man was not born with the knowledge of good and evil that was why God used the tense 'Man has become.' it is simple English Man has become...
Questions for you;
Why did God call it the tree of Knowlege of Good and Evil?
Have you never disobeyed God even after reading that the wages of sin is death?

DeleTaller:
People made up of groups... youths and old ...men and women made of of association and groups... in my area and communities around me... I M yet to see a single poster of Obi not to talk of his movement.

Your area is an outlier. And of course, your circle of friends and people all have your mindset so you wouldn't see his supporters.
Do you mind mentioning your area so we can find you some Peter Obi supporters in the Area?

Please I need to ask, who is Nairaland protecting? Why was the thread on gov Zulum closed?
Here is the link https://www.nairaland.com/7270401/gov-zulum-pays-teachers-6k-7k

DeleTaller:
I am still thinking how Obi is going to translate or transform his online political stardom into winning at least 15 states.. Even his Igbos leaders are not supporting him... Even the Lagos Ohanaeze and their political wing has declared their support for Sanwo Olu and Tinubu.

After the election every candidate shall count their loses, probably this is why Obi said publicly that him no dey give shishi after he has paid heavily to Labour before giving him that slot.

You worry too much. Obi movement has nothing to do with leaders but the youth from all parts of the country. Ohanaeze does not vote, people do.

Munamoqel:
By all permutations it mathematical impossible for obi win 23 state .and futher 25 percent in the remaining 11 state .this not emotional calculation but rational .you can do the math your self . Nigeria needs a two party system (dorminate ) to achieve this mathematical possibility ( 23 state ) and 25 percent of 11 . But the obituary/obidient supporter are just too emotional and can reason they are like buhari CPC cult follower that got 12m votes without a win .

Stop showing the world your ignorance. At least do some research before posting nonsense. Buhari won 2019 with only 19 states and he did not have up to 25% in the South East.
Even if you were correct, both Tinubu and Atiku would also need the same number of states.

HappyPagan:
Having accepted my fate as Heaven's number Last candidate, I'd like to research on what mind of experience I hope to get in the after life.


As a human, it's hard for me to imagine living outside my body.. When I die, what goes to heaven?

Would I appear in heaven with this physical body? Would old friends and family be able to recognize me?

What form would I take? A mind, a soul, or a spirit? What the Bleep do these even mean?

Read these verses
John 5. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Revelation 20. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Dtruthspeaker:
Look at this stupid insane thing when you first insulted me, in your insane mind you were polite and well behaved.

Ok bye bye

Steep:
God is the one who determines what is good and what is evil. God already told Adam what was evil and what was good. So Adam knows something is evil or good only when God told him so however, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil means that Adam will no longer be dependent on God in knowing good and evil.
The result of this is sin God in his nature is holy, righteous, good, just. God's knowledge of good and evil is in holiness, love and righteous but human beings need to depend on God in other to live his life but however when Adam chose independence he separated himself from God, the result was sin and death.

Outside God is pain, judgment, God himself is life separating yourself from this life is nothing but death. That is what Adam and Eve did when they chose indepence from God by eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
In summary, God possessing the knowledge of good and evil is fitting because he is God but humans are not God it destroyed them through sin.
Anyone that eat from the tree of life becomes morally independent from God, the result is sin and death.

You claim that Adam had the knowledge of Good and evil before eating the fruit then, why did God say, "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
If Adam had the knowledge of good and evil there would have been no need for the tree or the fruit.
Now if you have kids, let's say a 2-year-old who does not have the knowledge of good and evil when they disobey you, would you give them the punishment of a disobedient 16 years old kid?

Steep:
you are actually thanking Adam for disobeying God and bringing death to you.
The wages of sin is death.

I am not sure you saw my thank you note and he without sin, cast the first stone.

Dtruthspeaker:
And you show that your head does not work well for Christ did not say "If death has not come into the world man would abide alone, he would have no fruit."

There was no death when female Adam came to meet male Adam and she kept him company and they bore fruits.

So, go have your head and brain and soul repaired before you come back to read the Bible so that you stop reading it crazily.

Another rude boy. I don't discuss with mannerless kids.

Steep:
God is the one who determines what is good and what is evil. God already told Adam what was evil and what was good. So Adam knows something is evil or good only when God told him so however, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil means that Adam will no longer be dependent on God in knowing good and evil.
The result of this is sin God in his nature is holy, righteous, good, just. God's knowledge of good and evil is in holiness, love and righteous but human beings need to depend on God in other to live his life but however when Adam chose independence he separated himself from God, the result was sin and death.

Outside God is pain, judgment, God himself is life separating yourself from this life is nothing but death. That is what Adam and Eve did when they chose indepence from God by eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
In summary, God possessing the knowledge of good and evil is fitting because he is God but humans are not God it destroyed them through sin.
Anyone that eat from the tree of life becomes morally independent from God, the result is sin and death.

The fruit is the fruit of Knowledge of good and evil. If Adam knew good and evil, then he did not need the fruit.

motayoayinde:
THIS ACTUALLY DOESN'T DESERVE ANY RESPONSE. BUT IT APPEARS YOUR QUESTION IS IN GOOD FAITH.

SO THE ANSWER IS A BIG, FLAT HELL NO!

Yes they are free not to respond. I believe in freedom of speech but those 2 guys are very active on the religious platform and they would be the best to explain the Muslim position.
Now when you say hell no, are you saying that the OP fabricated the event, that it never happened or are you saying that his narrative is correct but the interpretation is wrong?

Dtruthspeaker:
We already had the knowledge of good as proven by the part where male Adam sees female Adam and happily shouted "this is my flesh". We see him knowing that female Adam was a good thing.

And the second evidence is when we see them see the fruit "that it was good to eat".

So, you see, they already had knowledge of good.

Knowing something is good to eat had nothing to do with knowledge of Good and Evil.
Here is why.
If I give my 2 years old boy 2 plates, one containing rice and chicken and the other full of stones, my baby would choose the first.
Does my 2 years old boy know good from evil? If you have ever had kids, you would know the answer is no. So stop saying things that are not practical.

I would love Empiree, and Antichristian to shed more light on this.
Do Muslims have sex with corpses?

Dtruthspeaker:
We already had the knowledge of good as proven by the part where male Adam sees female Adam and happily shouted "this is my flesh". We see him knowing that female Adam was a good thing.

And the second evidence is when we see them see the fruit "that it was good to eat".

So, you see, they already had knowledge of good.

Good is not a liar. Listen to what he said after Adam and Eve ate the fruit.
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil."
Now the bible did not say that Adam knew nothing or 5hat Adam was unintelligent. It only said he did not know God and Evil before eating the fruit.
Knowing Eve to be his flesh had nothing to do with good and evil.

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

Man was already blessed to have fruits, under The Law/Commandment, "Be Fruitful and multiply and subdue and have dominion" (Genesis 1:28) which got lost because man mursered himself.

But thanks so Noah, (Genesis 9( God Reinstated it, BUT NOW HE DID NOT RE-INSTATE OR RECOMMAND, "SUBDUE AND HAVE DOMINION" Which He amended to "the fear of you and the dread of you...."

And neither was man alone, he had God!

Please make your argument with Jesus Christ, I only quoted him.

Jokerman:
They wouldnt have died. Disobeying God led to the pronunciation of death to living things....

My point is, you assume that God would have given them the fruit and that isn't scriptural. God told them, the day you eat of this fruit you will die. So even if God gave it to them by himself, that pronouncement remains. That would simply mean God murdered them.

Kobojunkie:
Of course God has the knowledge of good and evil, it is HIs Law, isn't it?

According to God, only those who live in continuous submission to and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Truth, Know His Truth(knowledge of good and evil) and are set free by His Truth.Only they are Sons of God. All others are sons of men.

We have had this argument before. I guess I know where you stand on this, so let's not flog a dead horse. I guess when we have a new topic we could discuss but for now, we would only be reciting old talking points.

Jokerman:
God would have given them the fruit to eat when it was time... or commanded them to eat it....

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes out of God

That's your opinion not biblical. And even if God gave them the fruit, they would still die and it would be said that God led man to death.

RepoMan007:
Because of the good and evil knowledge, we seek clothes to cover unclothedness. Take away clothe expense from your life and check your accounting books.
Take away torns and thistle from farming and check you harvest.

Also remember, Jesus taught; John. 12. [24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

If death has not come into the world man would abide alone, he would have no fruit.

nakotee:
Recently the name of Jesus who is known to be the name given to the son of the Most High God according to the Christian religion has be constantly been abused and defiled recently by skit makers in Nigeria.

JESUS is a sacred name and should not be used in any form of skit Making, Recently skit makers who show women indecently dressed also used the name of Jesus as jokes to sell their skit movies . This is not a good thing to behold in a country like Nigeria who took Christianity as one of its major religions.

I hearby call on the notice of the Christian Association of Nigeria to call to order all skit makers and every other persons who is presently abusing the name of JESUS.

Please Moderators this issue should be given more attention.

There is something called freedom a speech. CAN lacks the authority to moderate speech.
Let everyone act according to his conscience
We do not fight for God, he fights for us.

RepoMan007:
Because of the good and evil knowledge, we seek clothes to cover unclothedness. Take away clothe expense from your life and check your accounting books.
Take away torns and thistle from farming and check you harvest.

That's one way of looking at it but you are only looking at the challenges.
2 Corinthians 4:17 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
The afflictions we face because Adam's actions exposed us to the knowledge of good and evil is but a small price to the glory that awaits.

Choose one, remaining in the garden forever or eternal salvation in the Kingdom of God. Where you would sit on his throne and become a priest and king.

AntiChristian:
The question still remains unanswered!

The goal is not to answer all questions. But you are free to offer your answers.

Jokerman:
God's time is the best.

Adam and Eve didn't wait for God's time. They woild still have eaten the fruit, but from God's command...

That's not the point here. Again how many of us are not guilty of the same?

We all know that we need the knowledge of good but do we also need the knowledge of evil?
A better question would be, does God our Father have the knowledge of both Good and Evil?
If God has this knowledge, then we his children also need this same knowledge. We are like God because of our knowledge of Good and evil.

How did evil enter the world? Ans; the same way good entered the world.
It was not Adam that planted the tree.
But by eating the fruit, Adam chose to obtain the knowledge of good and evil, but he also chose death for all mankind.
Instead of blaming Adam for bringing death, let us thank him for the Knowledge of Good and evil that makes us like God and let's thank Jesus Christ for overcoming death for all mankind.
Because of Adam and Jesus Christ, we have the knowledge of Good and Evil and we would all resurrect to die no more.

Empiree:
Lopsided Journalism In Nigeria

Is Ipob a Christian group? Did the article tell you that those northerners were Muslims?
You guys need to learn.
Ipob is a regional group just like the Fulani herdsmen.
But Boko Haram is a religious group. The difference is that Ipob kills for political reasons while Boko Haram kills for the Muslim God.

Lukuluku69:
You are right. We follow different path. It shows in our mentality and how we see things but here we are living together as neighbors and country men and women.

Man's Law can't fix things, for Man at best is as a crawling baby

And you are the one not getting it. So you know why? You Christians have taken the words of that Noble soul, twist it to fit into thousands of discenting voices and philosophies. So much so, you guys openly align and support what Jesus Father outrightly condemned.

Yes our philosophy is quite different and that is why Tolerance is key See us as a people that won't change what we hold to be true and as we see you as a people given to changes and can't hold on to what you are commanded.
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The same Jesus that gave Moses the Law, is the same that annul that Law and gave you guys a new one. No problem ..

He also said his Kingdom is not of this world, yet some of you want to rule in the kingdom that is not of Jesus! Abi? No be juju be thaf?

I thought you guys said Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? Why change of mind? He could have come himself the first time instead of sending Moses? Don't you think?

If you want us to talk about Jesus and Christianity, we would. As for the Muslim law, we have seen how it is fixing things in Northern Nigeria. The northern sharia states are about the poorest and most unsafe places on earth so no the Islamic laws don't work.
Even Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states were very poor and constantly at war in the 1800s and early 1900s. It wasn't Sharia that made them what they are today, It was oil and American companies. Sharia has never improved any nation. If you don't believe, visit Pakistan.

Lukuluku69:
Still not getting it. Everyone won't die. Only the guilty will be punished. Moses killed the calf worshipers only and the Children of Israel did not die out. The punish may sound harsh and the executioner inhumane, but you can't deny it happened or the commandments came from God.

The same God that inspired Moses is still the God that owns everyone. I repeat in the Kingdom of God (where God's Law is supreme, there is no Freedom of Worship)

It is okay if you guys feel and act as if God made a mistake inspiring those commandments and injuctions.

No matter what you feel about it, it is God's Law and the Muslims are willing are ready to live by it.

So long!

May we all know peace!

You are not getting it sir. Your religion and beliefs are different from mine. Your God is different from mine.
Jesus Christ the son of God taught us the separation of Church and state.
He taught, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
He also made it clear, "My kingdom is not of this world."
Jesus Christ was the one that gave Moses the law and when he came, he gave us higher laws.
In the Lord's prayer, we say, thy kingdom come. We understand that there is a separation of power.

Lukuluku69:
There is a fundamental you are still not grasping. Or rather you failed to come to terms with

It is this issue of Freedom and Compulsion. Like I said and I will repeat again. In a God's Kingdom, there is no freedom of worship.

I get it in your God's kingdom, there is no freedom of worship. That is the big difference between you and every other religion and that is the core of the lack of tolerance we talk about. That is what makes Islam, the most intolerant and dangerous religion on earth. Islam is the only religion that would murder you for changing your opinion. You called it the Kingdom of God so let God fight for his Kingdom. God is capable of Killing all those who disagree with him.
If every other religion was like yours, we all would be dead.