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Fahdiga:
No one wept for Igboho

Igboho is a free man now no need for your tears

Janosky:
Oga, you want to rigmarole.
This point has been addressed on this thread.

John 17:3, John 14:1, John 1:1 the only true/one true God is ho Theos, his Father.
Jesus Christ is a god..
If you prefer to call Jesus a true God, na your own cup of tea.
Emphasis on indefinite article "a", that is game changer.

[b]Oga, how many true God did Jesus Christ show you @ John 17:3?

John 17:3, Jesus Christ spoke, John wrote.
Oga, argue with them.
I jump & pass.

You seem to be on the rigmarole. You don't seem to know who Christ or who God is. at one time you call Jesus Christ God, at another time you say he looks like God. The bible called Jesus Christ God on many Occasions so what is the problem. In fact, what is your stand?

Like God ,a god,a God, godlike, divine,or "Resembling God".
Your dictionary proven it's the same meaning. The bible says Jesus Christ is God in John 1.1 not like God

Oga, does your son resemble you & possess your qualities/attributes?
John 5:19,copying qualities of God his Father.
Oga, Jesus said so nau. If I am a human being, I expect my son to be a human being. the son of a god should be a God.

Emphasis on indefinite article "a".
Oga, did you see that? Lets study the dictionary meaning of the article A.
used when referring to someone or something for the first time in a text or conversation.
"a man came out of the room"
used to indicate membership of a class of people or things.
"he is a lawyer"
When you say a car, it means a true car. We cannot argue if it's a car or not. If the bible says Jesus Christ is a God, then who are you or I to say he is not or he is not a true God?



Oga, in your Bible is there any firstborn without a Father? I don't get your point. we never said Jesus Christ does not have a father. The argument was if he is a true God or not.

Romans 11:35-36, what came through the Almighty Father?
Oga, did you come through your Father? I don't get your point we all came from God. Acts 17.29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Jeremiah 1.5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

cornelboy:
What's your religion? Are you a Mormon?

Don't you know the difference between Unitarians and Trinitarians?

Just go and figure everything out and believe what you want to believe.

I stand for the TRUTH.

I don't know if you go about asking everyone their religion on Nairaland and I don't know why you do it. could you explain your intentions?

Janosky:
Oga, your claim is not true.
Moreso, your claim is faulted by the Greek mono Screenshots & John 17:3 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear screenshot.
Greek mono meaning "one true God/only true God" .
Go to Biblehub & view all the Bible translations of John 17:3.
Did you see definite article ("the" precedes "only/one true God"?

I have made no claim, I have only asked you questions .. let me ask in a simpler way.
If your 10 years old kid asks you if Jesus Christ is a true God, what would be your response?
I think you should calm down a get your thoughts in order. you need to ask yourself, How many true Gods do we have? If The bible says there is only one true God, does that make Jesus Christ true or False?

Janosky:

Jesus Christ/man is in the image of God.
Jesus Christ/man is like God,( resembling God by copying qualities of his Father, John 5:19).
A god (godlike) is like God.
This is the long and short of 1 Corinthians 11:3 & John 1:1

Are you saying Jesus Christ is like God but not a God? I thought you said he was a true God earlier. Man is also in the image of God just like you said so what's your point here?

I stand for the TRUTH. everyone claims to stand by the truth even when they cant explain their position. If your 10 years kid asks you if Jesus is a true God, what would be your response to this very simple question? Answer like I am your 10 years kid.

Just like the men Jehovah GOD called gods are not false gods.
You seem to be digging up more contradictions by yourself. So are you calling the men true Gods or not?
1 Corinthians 8:5
There may be so-called [b]gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords.[/b] When you use the phrase so-called god, you simply mean a false god. So is Jesus Christ a so-called god?

Did you see that there are gods in heaven which Jesus is among, do you think they are false? I think Jesus Christ is a true God. I don't yet know the other Gods so let's not judge.
Does their being gods mean they are the same as God Himself? every God could be different. What point are you trying to make here?



Your not a baby na. I don't know what you mean by this

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is a true god, (emphasis on indefinite article "a".
Man/Jesus is a true god, John 10:35-36.

This is the luminous difference:
His own God & Father is ho Theos the God, the only one true God, John 17:3 & John 20:17..
Emphasis on definite article "the" ('Greek ho').

If there is one true God, there cannot be another only true God. definite article does not work here. The only true god simply means that other Gods are false. You cannot call one God a true God and another God the only true God

[quote author=cornelboy post=111759369][/quote]You need to answer If Jesus is a god or Not. Because if he is, then explain why there is only one true God. I don't think Jesus Christ is a False God.

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It seems the word"god" is a confusion for you.
I am not confused, you just have not explained yourself. You say Jesus is God but not the one true God.


Was Jesus lying when he said the Father is the one true GOD?
Did they also read that Jesus has a God and a Father?
John 20:17

Jesus said the Father is the one true god....first witness
John believed and wrote it down...... second witness
Paul emphasized on it I Corinthians 8:5&6, Ephesians 4:6.....third witness

God Himself said he's the one GOD Deuteronomy 6:4..... fourth witnesss No one disagrees here, the question is in John 1.1 is Jesus Christ God or not? Is he a false God or a true God?



Well that's their dogma. The truth is clear in the Bible.
Jesus and God are distinct beings. We never argued that but you are yet to reconcile John 1.1 to the rest of the scriptures.

You can't even differentiate between Catholics beliefs and unitarians beliefs.
Both have the same poison though. Explain yourself better.


Whatever you meant by that ain't my problem.


What's your religion? Do you believe in God? If I don't believe in God, we would not be having this discussion. Why do you ask? Have I in any way blasphemed against God?

Janosky:
You're getting it mixed up.
There is no appendage of "true or false" Elohim/Theos in the scriptures.
It's shouldn't be a matter of dispute.
Jesus the Word "was a god."
@ John 17:3 & Psalms 83:18, his Father alone is the only/one true God.
Oga, understand the meaning of Greek mono (in Screenshots) & help yourself.


That theory is NOT in your Bible.

The only/one true God is ho Theos our Father.
The only/one true God sent his Son Jesus Christ. John 17:3, John 3:16.
Greek 3588 definite article ("ho" precedes Theos where Theos references God Almighty alone.


You don't seem to understand Greek John 1:1, John 17:3, John 14:1 & Acts 3:13.
Jesus Christ,John & Peter are in agreement that ho Theos ("the God" is not Jesus Christ.

honestly, I don't get your point. Are you saying Jesus christ is God or not.

saphiere:
For God's sake! What is wrong with our men?

We should ask you, You are their mothers. What are you teaching your sons?

Even God the Father Himself called human judges Gods. John 30. You are now adding more kerosine to the fire by yourself.

I'll stick to Jesus, Moses and Paul's beliefs. John 17 3, Deuteronomy 6 4 1 Corinthians 8 5&6

The one God is the Father. Ephesians 4 6 You should stick to their belief but you seem to forget that it was John in his very first verse of scripture that told us that Jesus is God.

Let me ask another question, How many fathers do we have? Is Jesus Christ our Father?

cornelboy:
I didn't modify nothing.

Jesus is right that his Father is the one true God.

So we are back to arguing whether Jesus is a true or false God. Don't you see what is happening here? The Catholics and many other Christians did not develop the theory of Jesus being God from their heads. They read it in the bible Just as you read in the bible that there is only one true God.
The Catholics then went a step further to reconcile the 2 scriptures so they say if there is only one true God and Jesus Christ is God, then Jesus Christ must be the same as God.
Your argument is actually fuel for the Catholic belief.

tonyuny12:
My point is don't castigate him for saying Nigerians should forgive Buhari for his past as that had no effect whatsoever to the outcome of the election. People voted out PDP because APC played their cards well unlike what PDP are doing as an opposition rather than the believe many voted Buhari because of Soyinka...

My point is that Soyinka and every other Buhari supporter should take some responsibility. We can't pretend to be surprised by Buhari's failure when we very well knew he was a failure.
Suddenly, everything he did in the 80s was forgotten and forgiven. It's important that all his supporters including Soyinka take responsibility so they don't repeat the same mistake and cause more pain to everyone.

cornelboy:
JWs always agree to that

So we at least agree on something. Also, you modified John's words in John 17.3. Nice one, not only the Catholics change the written words .
That's what most Christians do, modify the bible to suit their arguments.
So if anyone calls Jesus God, or Mary the mother of God, it's actually not a lie. We both agree.

When Jesus is called God, it doesn't mean God in his Father's essence.
God is God, whether the Father or Son's essence, he is God like John says.

cornelboy:
Abeg no bring another thing here.

true, I diverted a bit.

cornelboy:
Well I didn't add false God.
But he's definitely not the true Almighty GOD.

I love the modification you are making here. You are saying We have only one true almighty God and no longer saying only one True God now you agree Jesus Christ is a God.

cornelboy:
Exodus 7:1 NLT
[1]Then the lord said to Moses, “Pay close attention to this. I will make you seem like God to Pharaoh, and your brother, Aaron, will be your prophet.

You see, Jehovah didn't even say I'll make you seem like me, no!. The God didn't mean Jehovah Himself.

If you had read that the article on that link carefully, you would have understand me better.
All God was saying is that, He will make Moses a mighty/strong one to Pharaoh.

When Jesus is called God, it doesn't mean God in his Father's essence.

I agree with you completely about Moses. that was never in the argument.

cornelboy:
Well I didn't add false God.
But he's definitely not the true Almighty GOD.

If you are not true, you are false. there is no in-between. I guess the point you are trying to make is that his father is greater than him. But saying he is not a true God and also not a false god is not really saying much.

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
God's plan is for us to be like him and have all that he has and sit on his throne.

cornelboy:
This is not about look bro. It's bout making him like God.

I did not say it's about looks, I only used that as an example to explain simile.

cornelboy:
Yes, a mighty God!

So he is a God, not a false god. the argument has never been if he is mighty or not. he is clearly a true God. So why have you been arguing ever since even when you know Jesus is god.

cornelboy:
I meant the link

Its less than 2 pages I would read it again in the morning but i have already read it

cornelboy:
Jehovah God made Moses like God unto Pharaoh. Moses is not the true God Jehovah and as well not a false God.

you said he made him like God, You did not say he made him God. 'Like' is a simile. I look like will smith does not mean that I am will smith

cornelboy:
It's lengthy but it's worth it. Just read through and comprehend.

Can I ask you a direct question where we do not beat around the bush?
Is Jesus Christ a God?

cornelboy:
It's lengthy but it's worth it. Just read through and comprehend.

Its just 2 verse you said, verse 5and 6

cornelboy:
It's not possible for you to have finished reading it even if was at speed of light.
It's just about Hebrew perspective of the word "God"

I am not lying to you. I even had those verses as memory as a child.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
King James Version
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

cornelboy:
Definitely Jesus is not the true GOD but the Father. And he's definitely not a false God. 1 Corinthians 8 5 & 6 explains it

So he is in between true and false, how interesting.

cornelboy:
Jesus that was called God by John himself said that the Father is the one true GOD. Compare with 1 Corinthians 8 5 & 6

Don't you see it's getting more confusing and you are yet to answer if Jesus is God or not? So if you don't have the answers yourself, leave the Catholics alone.

cornelboy:
Read 1 Corinthians 8 5 &6 for explanation

I have, it doesnt explain your point.