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Janosky:
Koine Greek Holy spirit is in the holy Scriptures.
Greek Bible lexicon has no word for "ghost".
Oga, receive sense.

Ghost is a man made contraption in your KJV.

You are no Greek expert just another rude boy on nairaland. Do you know more Greek than the scholars that translated the bible?
You are not a scholar just a talking head repeating what you were told like it were some poem. Do you speak Greek? why should anyone take you serious.
I would not take your knowledge of translation very serious unless you are a scholar.
If you want, I would send you the works of scholars in another post.
Scholars hardly ever agree on translations so when someone with zero knowledge in the field claims to know I am baffled by such superfluity of nothingness.

. Nothing of what is written implies that God is against marriage. It simply says that God's design for marriage was forfeited by man and what is currently in place is the world's take on marriage. It never says so. Its the will of God that a man and woman gets married. The children of Israel forfeited God's plan by divorcing their wives, by Jesus came to change all that and restore the right way. Hence he taught us not to divorce.

2. According to scripture, God's curse or judgement is consequence pronounced by God for rejecting God's Law. You are right but God did not curse marriage. He cursed man and woman for disobedience and not the institution of marriage.

And no, a curse is not a sin but a consequence of sin. What you claim above(statement above) make absolutely no sense of any kind when applied to the other curses that God also proclaimed in that same context. For instance God cursed woman in child bearing, does that then make having of children sin against God?, Again I disagree God did not curse marriage or childbearing. God cursed the woman to have pains in childbearing, he did not curse childbearing. Neither did he curse marriage. He encourages marriage.

3. God cursed marriage means God cursed marriage. It doesn't mean God no longer recognizes marriage nor does it mean God abhors marriage it simply means God cursed marriage- it is no longer the Holy union that He had designed and desired for for in the beginning. [/b]No single verse in the entire bible teaches that marriage is no longer a holy union. The bible teaches that marriage is honorable to God.

[b]That which is unholy does not please God. ] If marriages are unholy, then God would be against it. Instead, he supports it and promises blessings for it.

Kobojunkie:
Marriage, according to Genesis 2 vs 24 is simply an agreement between a man and woman to become husband and wife(marriage). The very same husband and wife on whom the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 is placed on by God..
Implicated are the very same husband and wife(one) that is a marriage.

God didn't place that curse on single women or single men, but on men and women in marriage(husband and wife) .I.e. on marriage itself..

So you are saying that God is against marriage? You maybe should check the meaning of a curse. If marriage is cursed as you claim, it becomes a sin to marry. But God said, it is honorable to marry and he that finds a wife has found a good thing not a cursed thing. We obtain favor not curse from God.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid that ain't entirely true, even in Nigeria.
Thanks to Mindlog!

Yes, anyone can be a next of kin but were there is no one legally declared as next of kin, the property goes to the spouse.

Kobojunkie:
The same also informed you that this was as it was in the beginning. We are no longer in the beginning, not since God cursed marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16 ushering in the era of divorce and remarriage.

God never cursed marriage or said man and wife are no longer one. He still blesses marriages till today.
Hebrews 13:4, “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge
Proverbs 18:22
He who finds a wife finds a good thing, And obtains favor from the Lord.
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

DigitalStepdad:
Wetin person no go hia for nigeria self...



But as a man I will be ashamed to fight for my wife's properties with my children unless...

If you and you wife are truly one, you would realize that her property is yours. Its up to the father to decide what is to be done with the property.

Kobojunkie:
No! The Married Women's Property Act of 1882 in Nigeria allows for women to have and keep property of their own in marriage.

Women have a right to keep property but she is dead. The property goes to the husband if no document proves otherwise.

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying, using God as if your toy!

Actually, the bible said the man and wife are one. The dude was not lying.

Kobojunkie:
Get yourself a good lawyer and stand your ground. Don't allow any of the effort your mother made to ensure the property ended up in your hands go to waste.

According to Nigerian law, the spouse is automatically the next of kin. The child only inherits if its expressly stated in a will or if there was a divorce.
Again, we don't advise families to settle issues in court. Keeping the family together is more important than sharing property.

Janosky:
No ghost is holy.
Ghost is a demon.
Only Holy spirit is scripture.
Bitter truth some persons don't wanna hear.

But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the[b] Holy Ghost[/b]."
Mark 13:11
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost [/b]shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
Luke 1:35,
But the Comforter, which is the [b]Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:26
"But ye shall receive power, after that the [b]Holy Ghost [/b]is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
Acts 1:8,
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the [b]Holy Ghost [/b]and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him."
Acts 10:38,

What role does the Holy Ghost play in our lives? How does one get the Holy Ghost? Do we still need the Holy Ghost today?

cornelboy:
When you said God is a state and not a person. You indirectly denied the existence of the true GOD Jehovah.

Fun is good afterall keep catching it.

Is calling you an athiest an insult?

Calling me an atheist is not an insult, its just a lie. You are a dishonest person. You claim that anyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you do is an atheist? I really don't mind what you call me but I used to think you were for real and your aim was to teach and express your believes.

I just laugh another religious war on nairaland

cornelboy:
What are you if your not an athiest, didn't you say God is not a being but a state?
You also say your in the religion section for fun.
Keep catching your fun.

Is your intention to preach the word of God or to smear others that don't agree with your position? That you feel no guilt for your false witness only shows how we sometimes believe our positions are more important that the commandments of God.
You try to defend yourself by trying to redefine an atheist. Its unfair. Why did you do this?

cornelboy:
What are you if your not an athiest, didn't you say God is not a being but a state?
You also say your in the religion section for fun.
Keep catching your fun.

I knew you would justify yourself. The position of atheist is that God doesn't exist. I never held that position. Being in the religion section for fun does not make you an atheist. If your intentions were honest, you could have apologized but you now pretend you don't know what an atheist is

cornelboy:
Why do you get support of athiests like otenearon and tctrills?

I am just seeing this and I honestly cant believe you would say such a thing. Its true that we all come here to argue and burn off steam but when we begin to bear false witness against others, I wonder what the goal is.
You don't need to like me or be comfortable with me but calling me an atheists' is just false witness. Its wrong to pull another man down.
You started out being a nice guy but the more you continue this way, the less you seem to care and you throw caution to the wind.

Without love, we are nothing and our religion is meaningless. Without love, we cannot be a light and example to the world. You would not bear false witness against those you love.

I feel I am wasting my time preaching to you but if you truly love the Lord and you are not just here to market your doctrines, you would realize your error and repent. And its a shame that the person you call an atheists should be the one telling you this.

Truvelisback:
Read verse 11, stop unnecessary arguement.

You are arguing with what you don't understand and justifying evil. If you don't understand then tell us. Jesus Christ was not confused when he said whosoever. He don't not contradict himself

Truvelisback:
I didn't change, verse11 has made my point clear.

It did not.

[9] And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Keyword here is Whosoever. He was talking to every married man

Truvelisback:
It's obvious that u are getting me wrong. I never said God told u to break up. Besides, it's not all marriages that God puts together. That's just by the way. Verbal abuse is not enough reason to divorce ur wife but there are people(Christians) who would do so perhaps, they could no longer endure the constant verbal abuse in the marriage. if ur wife chose to divorce and get married to another man, would u remain that way?

The institution of marriage was created by God. He made it that a man and a woman would live together as one. That's why we are against gay marriage its not God's way. Like every commandment, marriage also could be hard. I dont calm to have all answers but i dont seek to change the word of God

grandstar:
Yes, I have always suspected that they would have efficient missile defense systems. Their staying far from missile range also makes sense.

Thanks for the education.

Welcome

grandstar:
Frankly speaking, I see warships as sitting ducks. They are easy targets. They are very large and very slow compared to the tanks or fighter jets for instance.

A rain of laser guided missiles from afar should be able to take one down.

Just my 2 cents. It's not my field.

Ships have serious missile defense systems Also, because they are moving objects, the become harder to hit especially if the stay outside the range of the enemies defense systems.

Truvelisback:
I didn't change God's word, that was what was written.

God never asked you to break what he put together.
Let me ask you, should a man divorce his wife if she verbally abuses him?

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. Jesus command abt divorce is not for all Christians according to Matt19:9-11. Vs 11 says: All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. I.e It's for some particular christians who can accept it or whom God wants to be that way. This statement came immediately Peter said it would be better one shouldn't marry.

No one said it was going to be easy or always safe to obey God as all times that does not mean we should change God's words

look at the number 8 which is in bold. The men Jesus was talking to, were divorcing their wives and remarrying, they didn't divorce their wives due to infidelity, but for other baseless reasons because of the hardness of their hearts. Can you remember Vashti wasn't divorced because of infidelity? Bible gave two conditions for divorce. One is infidelity which the OP made the relevant scriptures available, Jesus mentioned infidelity, likewise Paul. The second reason one can divorce is mentioned by Paul in ist. Corin. 7:15 "but if the unbelieving depart, let him depart, a brother or sister is not in bondage in such cases. "

God hates divorce, but the holy Bible gave two grounds for which one can divorce. Most Orthodox churches brainwash* their members, telling them that infidelity isn't enough reason for divorce, that one should forgive. The question is, how about a situation when a woman's health is at risk, because of her husband's continuous/unrepentant infidelty? STDs are real, Jesus knew things like this can happen, and stated one can leave because of infidelity, but some churches claim to know better.

A few things here
1 God is against divorce
2. Paul never commanded Christians to divorce even if they marry unbelievers, he said the unbeliever is free to go. He never said leave you spouse if he is an un believer.
3. The bible never suggested we should divorce in situation of health, STD, and so on. We would not write a new bible but we can choose to interpret as we wish.
I am not going to tell anyone how to live his or her life but saying that God isn't against adultery is a pure lie. God is against anything that breaks the family system which he set up.
God is against people breaking their vows.
every divorce has Satan behind it not God.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand what you are trying to say at all.

I know you don't but don't worry, many others would understand

Kobojunkie:
In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is sin. Instead, He speaks of remarriage being potential sin for those divorced.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18


Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.

You seem to forget one little truth though, The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
[4] And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
[5] And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
[6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
[7] They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
[8] He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

CribsofLagos:
What is the foundation of every proclaimed Christian sect or fate


Any church that derogates from what the Bible explicitly says is A CONGREGATION LED BY DECEITFUL ELDERS!!!

All churches teach specific non bible doctrines all the time. That's why we argue with another all the time. One church tells you Sunday is the Lords day, to another, its Saturday. One says you should not wear shoes in church another says you can. To one speaking in unknown language is of God , to another it is stupidity, One church believes in cursing their enemies another says bless those that curse you. One church prays to Mary another says its sin. The list goes on and on

SSIPON:
Thank you for proving my point. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians they are of another religion.

Dont use your space to start a religious conflict.

SSIPON:
I recently learnt that apparently Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that Jesus Christ is God. It's funny how they claim to be Christian when the literal foundation of Christianity is centered on Jesus Christ being God. I never understood the JW cult, I always thought that they were a weird form of "Christians". Yesterday I stopped by at a friend's cybercafe, the guy was not around and I sat down at his desk waiting for him. I saw a Watchtower magazine and I started reading it just out of curiosity and around the first or second page, I saw the words, "JESUS is NOT GOD". Maxindhouse what kind of senile human being does that and still claims to be "Christian"? Clowns

You began a thread just to attack and discredit other people's beliefs. The funny thing is that no 2 churches have the same beliefs but we cant always be fighting. If you started this thread proclaiming Jesus to be God, that would have been better not calling out another religion.

The bible as we have it today has many errors. These error were not made by the Apostles and Prophets but by those who these records fell into their hands and who made the translations.

TONYE001:
The death of Osinachi Nwachukuwu shocked many and provoked controversies, especially regarding her marriage (Kaduna, 2022). When I learned of her death, I was first sad that such a great singer was gone; later, as more details began to emerge, I soon began to wish that we got things right in our country, sooner than later. Notwithstanding the myriads of testimonies that have flooded the online space, the true cause of Osinachi's death can only be established by an autopsy (Das and Chowdhury, 2017). Until this is done, statements about her death cannot hold water.

There are speculations that Osinachi was a victim of repeated domestic violence from her husband (Sahara Reporters, 2022). Other sources report that she died of throat cancer and that as a matter of fact, she was on life support for approximately two months before her death (Tugbobo, 2022). While we continue to wait for the report of the definitive cause of her death, we all must agree that this incident has vigorously stirred discussions on domestic violence online and offline.

Domestic violence (DV), or intimate partner violence, is defined as "a pattern of behavior in any relationship that is used to gain or maintain power and control over an intimate partner" (United Nations, n.d.). DV also refers to injurious physical, sexual, and psychological behaviours occurring within the context of an intimate union or any other type of union (Sardinha et al., 2022).

The experience of DV has become common in recent times. To further demonstrate this, I shall briefly take you through some very disturbing statistics. Studies show that globally, about 1 in 3 women and 1 in 10 men 18 years of age or older experience DV (Huecker, King, and Jordan, 2022). According to Sardinha et al. (2022), worldwide, about 38-50% of murders of women are committed by their intimate partners causing significant economic and social impacts for individuals and the government. The prevalence of DV against men is pegged at 3.4% to 20.3% (Kolbe and Büttner, 2020). A study reported that out of every three (3) deaths due to DV, two (2) are women (Benebo, Schumann, and Vaezghasemi, 2018). In their research on the prevalence and determinants of DV in an urban community in the southwest, Oluwole and Onwumelu (2020) recruited 400 women aged 18-73 years. They reported a lifetime prevalence of DV of 73.3% within their study population. Sadly, DV does not seem to be declining. Over the years, trends show a steady increase in the rates of DV. In Germany, 100,766 women were victims of DV in 2013, but in 2018, over 114,000 women became DV victims (Armstrong, 2019).

If we took a survey now, a good chunk of us may attest to have been victims or witnesses of DV. I recall many years ago when I was a secondary school student. We had a neighbour who invited us to his wedding ceremony. I recall vividly how the MC had asked him at the reception how he would react if his wife failed to prepare food for him for whatever reason. He smiled and answered boldly that he would "call her honey." To paraphrase his response, I think he meant that he would understand and appreciate the challenge that may have prevented her from preparing his meal and perhaps support her. A few days after returning from their honeymoon, this couple broke into a fight that left both of them badly injured. I still wonder what may have caused that fight. About a year ago, a patient presented to our emergency ward with burns. As we resuscitated and clerked her, she told us she got the injury while preparing breakfast for her children. The truth, however, was exposed when her relatives met her husband in the ward. We soon got to know that her husband had been physically assaulting her for years.

In the past few days, I have read a series of arguments on DV. Some quarters believe that the media is unnecessarily being too loud about violence against women and deliberately underreporting violence against men. Other people argue that women who are victims of DV must have brought it upon themselves. One writer on this forum wrote that "a man can never beat a good wife." In other words, this writer implied that all female victims of DV are bad (disrespectful, abusive, disloyal, wicked, etc). But are these claims true? The statistics above objectively prove that violence against women occurs at proportions far above violence against men worldwide. This does not deny that there are men that are victims of DV, but If we continue to separate DV along gender lines, we may never get to its roots. I wonder why DV is now discussed in two contexts: against women and men. Do we imply that the effects of domestic violence against men and women differ? Or does the law prescribe different punishments for men and women who kill their spouses?

Saying that only "bad wives" are victims of DV is shocking. We tend to sit in the comforts of our homes and assert skewed opinions that are nothing but baseless. Most of what we know is limited to what the media reports but we manage to alter the narratives of events in ways that suit our beliefs. For example, because some of us have concluded in our hearts that only "bad wives" are victims of domestic violence, whenever we come across stories of women that are physically assaulted by their husbands, we quickly assume that they must have done something terribly bad to warrant her husband's actions. We do not query the husband, and we are hardly bothered that the man may have infringed on the rights of the woman. We do not bother that this may have been a case of attempted murder, and if nothing is done, the husband may eventually kill her, or another victim. Our entire focus falls on the woman, and we begin to probe the "evil" she must have committed. I ask, aside from a direct and immediate threat to life where alternative actions are impossible, is there any other acceptable reason to assault a human or to commit murder? Assuming a wife abuses her husband, does this qualify as a reason to physically attack her and inflict varying degrees of life-threatening injuries on her? If this were so, would the wife be also permitted to assault and kill her husband if he abuses or disrespects her? If we continue like this, our society would become a replica of the animal kingdom where actions are directed by primitive instincts rather than objective reasoning.

Why do spouses physically assault themselves? Why would a husband hit his wife? Why would a wife attack her husband? To get to the roots of domestic violence, we must trace the causes. Economic problems, husband's drug/alcohol abuse, husband's family interference, husband's suspicion, religious and cultural misunderstandings, husband's remarriage, and children from previous husband's or wife's marriages were some identified causes of DV (Rahnavardi et al., 2017). In a local study (Igbolekwu et al., 2021), 82.3% of respondents believe that the major cause of DV against women is the economic dependence of women (or wives) on men (or their husbands), 52.3% agree that communities tolerate and encourage some abusive behaviours, and as much as 61.5% of the respondents think that some religious and traditional beliefs support DV.

A BBC report (Obidiebube, 2018) made a shocking revelation: Section 55 of the Penal Code (applicable in Northern Nigeria) allows a husband to physically assault his wife as far as it does not cause serious bodily harm. What is more shocking is the Law's definition of bodily harm. The Law defined bodily harm as harm severe enough to warrant hospital admission for a minimum of 21 days! Ironically, we also have a Violence Against Persons Prohibition Act for 2015 that stands against different kinds of violence. This disparity in the law further makes it difficult to secure justice for victims of DV.

Some of our cultural practices support DV. Historically, in the Igbo culture, for instance, the dominant role of women "is to make pure wives for their honourable husbands. In marriage, they are expected to be submissive to their husbands, do housework and domestic chores, farming, and bear children" (Egbo, 2021). But are these roles still exclusively for women today? [b]Times have changed and the economy has become complex. These days, to maintain a home, both husband and wife have to earn some money. If a husband and his wife leave for work at 8 am and return at 5 pm, would the husband be fair if he expects his exhausted wife to hurry to the kitchen and begin to pound akpu for dinner because it is exclusively her responsibility according to the African tradition? In some instances, if the wife fails to do this, she is considered disrespectful and not submissive and she may be beaten. Some of us are hypocritical without knowing it. Civilization and technology have happened to the original African tradition but instead of accepting and living with all the good changes that come with these, we tend to be selective. We accept changes that suit our purpose and favour us and deny changes that may favour others. For example, we accepted Western education because it promises to improve our lives. We accepted computers and other technological devices because they ease our lives. But some of us refuse to accept that role of the African woman in our society has greatly changed. With the advancement of knowledge, we now know that men and women are both humans and no one is above the other. They both have equal rights and equal responsibilities. Cooking, washing dishes, bathing children, and sweeping are not exclusive roles of women just like going out to look for money is not an exclusive role of a man. [/b]

I believe the first step to stopping domestic violence is redefining marriage. Some of us have lines in our heads separating the responsibilities of a husband and a wife. In real sense, such distinct lines do not exist. Couples ideally should live in a fluid environment where things flow naturally. The idea of marriage is to have two people come together, support each other, and improve their lives while mutually enjoying their days. Marriage is a way of life and not an obligation where responsibilities are shared and delegated. In marriage, any capable hand can meet any responsibility without waiting for anyone. A husband should be able to bathe his children, sweep the house, do the laundry, and cook breakfast whether or not his wife is at home. A wife should be able to do these things, and provide/contribute money for upkeep on impulse.

By God's design, true love should be the fuel that should power the home. This is lost when people marry for the wrong reasons. If pure, undiluted love is lacking in any home, domestic violence is likely. If you love your wife as you love yourself, you would never raise a finger to hit her, unless you can hit yourself. If you love your wife absolutely, you would not have unrealistic expectations of her. If you love your wife as you love yourself, forgiveness, moving on, and not archiving faults should be natural habits.

Dear Parents, it is high time we began to raise our children the right way. If we train them well and demonstrate good examples before them, they would not grow to become monsters to their spouses. Dear fathers, if you hit your wife in front of your children, expect the same from them when they grow. If you sit in the parlour, watching TV all day without helping your wife in the kitchen, expect your son to be a bad husband when he grows up.

The government has a lot of roles to play in combating domestic violence. Strong laws must be made and the government must have the willpower to enforce these laws.

As private citizens, we also have roles to play if we must kick out DV. The mind-your-business culture is not African. Here, we do not mind our businesses! If you suspect your neighbour is a victim of DV, act immediately and report to the authorities whether or not the neighbour confides in you.

Our religious leaders must modify their teachings and encourage their members to take decisive steps if being abused. Members should be encouraged to separate from their spouses and they should be supported. Our religious leaders must be willing to get the authorities involved if they suspect that their member(s) is/are victim(s) of DV.

As I conclude, I would like to leave this last note to victims of DV. Please, prioritize your life over anything. Your life is paramount. Separate yourself from your spouse now that you still can. Beyond this, you should also report him/her to the authorities and ensure he/she is prosecuted and put behind bars for a long time. If you take these actions, you would have successfully protected future victims of your spouse.

Tonye001.

Nice article but this wouldn't change the world, it wouldn't even move the needle because that's just the way it is.

Emeskhalifa:
I knew it will come to this when he was made board of director.

Between Zuckerberg and Elon Musk I wonder who is more greed and selfish

What does greed or selfishness have to do with this business investment?