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cornelboy:
They are trying.
There are doctors and scientists among the JWs (Jehovah witnesses and they don't have pastors). JWs takes medications.

So what's your point gangan?
Are you comparing God's power to doctors limited ability?
Abi doctors can raise a patient that died because of their incapability back to life?

We are making the same point. You now explained that it's doctors that heal alcoholism. that makes it a disease and no longer a sin. Doctors don't cure sin.
I am not comparing God to doctors. Medical knowledge also comes from God

cornelboy:
Do you know that medications for withdrawal could lead to another addiction?

Drunkenness is a sin. If alcoholics are drunkards, they are sinning too.

A guy couldn't drive a car, he entered the car, started the engine and later had an accident. Who's to be blamed?
If he couldn't drive the car, why did he enter it in the first place?

If you can't control your drinking, stop drinking altogether and if you can't stop by yourself, seek help.


A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters. All thanks to Jehovah!

May you have peace!

If I asked, is drinking sniper a sin or taking poison a sin, you probably would have said yes. Alcohol is poison to the liver and kidneys but unlike sniper, it works over a period of time. It does not destroy only the livers and kidneys of those who get drunk rather it poisons after a prolonged period of use.
So if we are allowed to destroy our bodies then alcohol isn't a sin but if we would give an account of what we did with our bodies, then poisoning the liver is a sin.
On the other hand, Alcoholism is a state where the body depends on alcohol in other to function normally. It's a medical state with a medical and professional solution. Alcoholism is not caused by drunkenness rather, it leads to drunkenness.

cornelboy:
Do you know that medications for withdrawal could lead to another addiction?

Drunkenness is a sin. If alcoholics are drunkards, they are sinning too.

A guy couldn't drive a car, he entered the car, started the engine and later had an accident. Who's to be blamed?
If he couldn't drive the car, why did he enter it in the first place?

If you can't control your drinking, stop drinking altogether and if you can't stop by yourself, seek help.


[b]A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters. All thanks to Jehovah![/b]

May you have peace!

Yes Jesus also cured many diseases. Curing disease via spiritual means is not new. Yet must people still depend on medical cure so if your pastor can cure alcoholism, good for him. It does not stop the great work doctors are doing.

cornelboy:
Do you know that medications for withdrawal could lead to another addiction?

Drunkenness is a sin. If alcoholics are drunkards, they are sinning too.

A guy couldn't drive a car, he entered the car, started the engine and later had an accident. Who's to be blamed?
If he couldn't drive the car, why did he enter it in the first place?

If you can't control your drinking, stop drinking altogether and if you can't stop by yourself, seek help.


A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters. All thanks to Jehovah!

May you have peace!

Do you know that medications for withdrawal could lead to another addiction?
I think you should do some study here. Withdrawal medications are not addictive. Please if you want me to send you a list of common withdrawal medications, I would so you can study to find out if they are addictive.
About alcoholism being a sin, let's just agree that sin is treatable by modern medication. This way you are also correct.

9JAFULLBREED:
Here u go

Again, the verse you quoted mentioned only wine, is beer and spirit also good for the stomach? Did you know that 1 out of every 20 deaths in the world is alcohol-related? These people did not die of drunkenness but of health problems related to alcohol consumption. The biggest problem about alcohol is not getting drunk rather it is what it does to the body over time.

cornelboy:
It's straightforward. If you chose to drink but you can't control your drinking, you should stop before you become dependent and addicted to alcohol.

Drunkenness is a sin. If you were not an alcoholic, but you maybe one day drank too much and became drunk, it's a sin. Control your drinking and if you couldn't, stop drinking before it becomes addiction.

If alcoholics drink and don't drink to stupor, then it's not a sin but I don't think that's possible because every alcoholic I know get drunk.

Is there some kind of surgery and drugs to treat and cure alcoholism?
Did you know that about 5.3 million people die of alcohol-related deaths each year? Now, most of these deaths are not a result of drunkenness but rather a result of alcohol intake. If someone dies from taking sniper, is it a sin? Alcohol kills more people than sniper each year

A lot of alcoholics among JWs have been helped to quit alcohol consumption by their brothers and sisters. All thanks to Jehovah!

What are you saying, how can you stop what you can't control?
Is there some kind of surgery and drugs to treat and cure alcoholism?
the treatment is not surgical. There are detox and other methods to stop alcohol dependence. There are medications for withdrawal. You can check that up.
If alcoholism is treatable, can other sins be cured by modern medicine?
The biggest problem about alcohol is not getting drunk rather it is what it does to the body over time.

9JAFULLBREED:
Here u go

First taking alcohol as medication is very different from taking it as a drink. So when the bible speaks of wine for the stomach, it was talking about medicine. In the same light, cannabis, cocaine, heroin, and fentanyl all have medical uses yet we don't take them for recreation.

No to my question, are you saying an alcoholic is a sinner?

cornelboy:
If you can't control your drinking, it's better to stop drinking all together.
Jesus won't come down to overcome your sins for you.
What a true Christian should do is seek the help and advice of other Christian brothers if he's unable to stop.

The Bible is a guide for us.

There's no drug to treat alcoholism. It's not a disease, it's a bad habit! It's a sin!

I know this is a religious thread but could you do a little study of the science of addiction? After your study let's see if you have a change of heart

cornelboy:
If you can't control your drinking, it's better to stop drinking all together.
Jesus won't come down to overcome your sins for you.
What a true Christian should do is seek the help and advice of other Christian brothers if he's unable to stop.

The Bible is a guide for us.

There's no drug to treat alcoholism. It's not a disease, it's a bad habit! It's a sin!

You just deflated your own words. You claim if you cannot control your drinking, you better stop. How can you stop what you cannot control?
Actually, Alcoholism is treated by professionals. Millions are treated yearly. It is a medical condition with known medical solutions. Sin does not have medical solutions. You cant treat lies or wickedness in a hospital.

cornelboy:
Alcoholism is clearly a sin so as binge drinking.
The Bible support moderate intake of alcohol.

How come it's a sin that is treated by medical experts, mental experts, and therapy? We learn that we can only overcome sin through Christ.

cornelboy:
Lol you can't understand

What's your contribution sir?

silibaba:
nothing wrong with alcohol when is taken responsibly.

So I shouldn't drink palm wine too bah?

That's actually not scientifically correct. You don't need to be a drunk for alcohol to affect your kidney or liver. None of us can tell what's too little or too much for our livers or kidney. In fact, no doctor or scientist has ever stated the amount of alcohol that is too little or too much. Its impossible to tell and it's different for everyone.

cornelboy:
You run comot

I don't understand

immortalcrown:
You are confusing yourself. Taking two bottles every day and taking 12 bottles once in 6 days is the same.

Drinking 12 bottles at a time can easily cause alcohol poisoning. Like i said if you doubt ask a pro.

immortalcrown:
You are confusing yourself. Taking two bottles every day and taking 12 bottles once in 6 days is the same.

No, it's not. If you doubt, ask a professional. With 12 bottles in your body at once, you are overworking your liver. The guy who takes 12 bottles at a go would likely destroy his liver and kidney first.

immortalcrown:
Is too much intake of alcohol different from alcoholism?

Yes there is a big difference. I may not be an alcoholic but I can occasionally have too many drinks.

immortalcrown:
You are right. I was rude because I did not pay attention to your usage of the word 'Alcoholism'. I apologize for saying maybe you do not understand English.

But you were wrong for saying I did not answer your question. I said too much intake of alcohol is sinful and harmful.

To understand you, Alcoholism is a sin?

immortalcrown:
Maybe you do not understand English. You probably do not understand the function of "but" in my comment. Let me rephrase my response and give further explanation.

Alcohol is necessary for the body. Alcohol is not a sin. Too much intake of alcohol is a sin. Too much intake of alcohol is also harmful to the body. The same way food is necessary and godly for the body while too much intake of food is deadly and sinful.

I would not act like you by being rude. but first, my question was, is alcoholism a sin? If you don't know what Alcoholism is, let me help you.
Alcoholism is the inability to control drinking due to both a physical and emotional dependence on alcohol.

Again I agree that alcohol is necessary for the body alcohol consumption is not necessary. The body produces its own alcohol adding more to the liver is toxic.
if the body needs you to consume alcohol, how come children under 21 are not allowed to take alcohol in most counties and even Muslim countries ban alcohol, how come their citizens are not falling sick for lack of alcohol?

Ammishaddai:
Just because the bible describes something doesn't mean it prescribes it. Alcohol intoxicates and it doesn't edify Christ in the life of a believer. A true Christian who understands this will never drink irrespective of whatever excuses people may give for acts of wickedness

And as for preaching to alcoholics to repent, it's not your place to convince them rather , it is the Holy Ghost who does that which is why preaching a message of salvation is the first step to genuine conversion

To understand you, are you saying alcoholism is a sin and not a sickness?

immortalcrown:
Alcohol is necessary for the body but too much of alcohol is sinful and deadly.

First, you did not answer the question, and secondly, the consumption of alcohol is not necessary for the body.
Let me make the second point easy for you. Your body through your liver produces all the alcohol it needs. Every bottle of beer you drink is adding to the liver's load.
Please address my question if you have an answer.

Many Christians are against drinking, others say drink but don't get drunk. But then, there are does that can't control their drinking. Is it a sin to be an alcoholic or is it a medical problem? Should we be preaching to alcoholics or getting them medical or mental help?

Bundaweber:
Him!! Capitalism

No not capitalism but kindness and love for his fellow man. Apple and other big brands left Russia but here is a business that is committed to its workers and customers. I am proud of Auchan.

yemmit90:
Exactly, he was the only visionary leader Nigeria has ever produced. He would've been successful if not for his too much love for south west and regional politics.

This is what differentiates him and Tinubu. Unlike Tinubu flexible/accommodating style, Awo political ideology is too rigid, conservative, and meritocratic for the then corrupt military government to have confidence in.

I have no problem with Awo but your last statement isn't correct. Awo was a major player in Gowon's government. He was one of the most powerful ministers under military leadership.

I always knew Obiano was corrupt. His predecessors never had such an office. This is how to know a thief. EFCC over to you.

kingscare1:
Not good. The man should be the governor while the woman would handle mostly ladies and female child affairs in union with the ministry of women affairs.

The wife of the governor should be like a mother figure to the state.

It is not in the constitution of our country and it's a waste of money. what if the governor was a woman, would we have the office of the husband?

hakeemhakeem:
Forgive him but chat with him on WhatsApp save it.in case he try to come up any move that will go against you in future trust me he would be planing something

Not the best move. It could be used as evidence against him to show that he covered the act.

Dsalvo:
You keep bouncing hypothesis around mischievously instead of sticking to a principled stance.

This is about the wrongdoing Igbos are openly and vociferously encouraging/supporting.

It reveals the fact Igbos are patently hateful, unfair, unprincipled, callous, undemocratic and entirely disinterested in the notion of doing the right things.

My guy, the APC convention has come and gone. The Igbos hand no hand in it. There was no Igbo agenda or gain in this. Like I told you, the Igbos are never the problem of Nigeria. It's those that have the power that are our problems. Let's stop fighting ourselves because this is what they want us to do. I told you the other time, the Igbos never caused any of Nigerian present problems rather, we should blame our corrupt leaders for these problems

Mooh247:




Let him go and ask how much Wizkid got paid for his performance at Indian royal wedding

Even if Davido stops singing today Burna Boy can't be as rich as Davido even if he uses all his entire household for money rituals or he starts selling drugs

As a Shareholder of Pacific holdings owners of Omotosho and Olorunsogo Electricity power plant, several projects in Banana island, Shares in Adeleke University ... Davido's sister is actually worth more cash, asset and stocks than Burna boys entire Generation combined



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how do you know all this sir? I guess you are their personal acountant

In the old days, the goal was marriage but these days, men are driven by other goals and sometimes marriage could be a distraction. Again we have seen enough broken marriages. These days, everyone is careful about entering into a marriage.

Kastonkastroll:
The mods won't push this info to the FP now. But if is it those laughable western propaganda and lies; you will see how it will reach the FP in the speed of light

Ukraine can continue to win online. But Russians will continue kicking their NATO wannabe a**es offline!

Russian propaganda vs western propaganda. Who is giving us the truth?

Kastonkastroll:
Propaganda and lies don't win wars! You guys don't ever get tired

Oya over to you, give us the accurate news. Tell us what's really happening in Ukraine.

tillaman:
Blah blah agreed Russia has lost a lot of soldiers and military wares but what about Ukraine how come they didn’t lost a single soldier abi what is the media not telling us

Khabib should mobilize men from Dagestan and Khamzat should mobilize Kadyrov’s elite kill squad not those hunters but the kill squad

It is not news that Ukraine is losing lots of fighters. It's expected. They are fighting the second strongest military on earth. But then no one expected this amount of losses on the Russian side. We are thought this would be over in a week. That is why the Russian losses are so newsworthy.