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MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what unbelieving Jews said about Jesus and his disciples in the first century yet the fine works speaks in volumes.
You will continue to call it "lies" just as first century Jews said about Jesus and his disciples but that won't stop us from doing God's will!

Funny boy, at least Jesus Christ and His disciples did not spread falsehoods so that's the big difference.
Jesus Christ and His disciples did not teach that Adam was the only begotten son of God

No

MaxInDHouse:
Knowing Jesus is not about claims but fine works {Matthew 7:21-27} followers of Jesus are organized to work together as fellow workers under a perfect leader.
So if truly you know Jesus Christ try and mention the name of your group so we can all see what Jesus is doing among you people! John 17:22🙂

Knowing Jesus is not about lies and made up stories with no scriptural backing. It is not about being a slave to some white men opinion. It is not about a group set out to confuse and deceive

lilsmart:
You have misunderstood the core argument, which is a common error in complex discussions. My opinion (Criticalthinking) does not blame the crime on the church the criminals alone bear that responsibility. Rather, it logically analyzes the factors that increase vulnerability. To observe that the public flaunting of wealth can attract criminal attention is not an accusation but an analysis of cause and effect, much like noting that a house that displays its riches without security is more likely to be burglarized than one that is discreet. The point is not to excuse the burglar, but to understand the dynamics that make the crime more likely to occur. A truly educated approach requires us to examine all contributing elements in a situation, not just the most obvious one.


Critical thinking everyone is entitled to his/her opinion

So if you are asked to mention the top 10 factors that increase vulnerability in Nigeria, You would include the church and you boast of logical reasoning . This is more like logical fallacy

MaxInDHouse:
You don't believe Jesus that's what took you unaware.
Jesus is filled with wisdom so if you draw close to his anointed brothers you too will become wise.
He said a lot about Satan and demons so if you learn from Jesus you will know that there can never ever be agreement among rebellious people because each of them will be seeking his own glory unlike Jesus, his faithful Apostles and his modern day disciples known globally today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES we are all humble people that's why we can work out what God promised since His holy spirit can only work in the gathering of humble ones!🙂

Lol, you actually don't even know who Jesus is and you are claiming that iI don't believe in Jesus. You believe Adam is the only begotten son of God and you are questioning my believe in Christ? Funny guy

lilsmart:
Make i hit the nail on the head.
When pastors and churches constantly flaunt their wealth buying private jets and exotic cars they are essentially painting a giant target on their congregations. They are advertising the church as a lucrative financial institution, not just a place of worship.

The most painful part is that it is the poor, faithful members who will suffer for this ostentation. The wealthy pastors are already shielded by tight police and private security. So, the kidnappers will logically target the vulnerable, everyday worshippers. They become the pawns because the criminals now believe the church has the money to pay. The poor are used as human ATMs, and their suffering is the price of their leaders' vanity.

Critical thinking everyone is entitled to his/her opinion

You are blaming organized crime on churches, and you call that critical thinking.

MaxInDHouse:
Spirituality is far away from you!🙂

Agreement can never ever work among evil people because each of them will be seeking his own glory therefore they can not achieve anything good.

God's will is that people from different nations throughout the world should be educated scripturally {Isaiah 2:2-3} and what will be the outcome? These people from different nations will AGREE to work together on what they found in God's word to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4

That is why Jesus prayed for oneness in the gathering of his disciples something that's impossible without God. John 17:22🙂

From being a false teacher, you are now pretending to be an expert on evil people. No wahala, continue

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MaxInDHouse:
Evil men don't agree that's why they will always fail to work out what is good!

How does your statement make s bsr? Evil men only work out what is evil and yes they agree to do so. That's why we have gangs. That's what we call evil guys that agree. We also have evil cults and evil organizations with the sole aim of deceiving their followers

MaxInDHouse:
If Devils agree to work together Jesus won't pray for his disciples to work as one because it means such a thing is possible without God. John 17:22

I have seen many bad guys come together to work their evil. What do you think APC did in 2023? I know you guys don't follow politics so let me tell you. It was the coming together of evil men to further destroy 9ja.
In 1939, the Nazi, fascists and imperial Japan worked together to take over the world.
So yes my guy devils work together. Do think like a baby

MaxInDHouse:
Agreement is the work of Holy Spirit only be possible among God's people! John 17:22

Devils also agree in evil and falsehoods so no problem.
I wish you well.

blueAgent:
JW people are confused.

They believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten and somehow, Adam is the only begotten.
Even for a 5 years old kid, this is dumb. I wonder how I will explain this toy kids to if I was one of them.;

MaxInDHouse:
BEGOTTEN means a lot so both of them are begotten in their unique ways the difference is that while one is the only begotten in the spirit realms where creation began the other is the only begotten Son of God among humans {Luke 3:38} that's what brought both of them to the same rank when talking about the salvation of mankind! 1Corinthans 15:45
Only one son of God infected mankind with sin and death {Romans 5:12} and so it's only one son of God that's required to redeem mankind from sin and death! 6:23

So According to jw, their are 2 only begotten. I am sure you don't realize how dumb this is. Please can you define the word only using the JW dictionary.
Anyway, we have an understanding but not an agreement. Unless you have more to add to the topic, I believe we have discussed all the issues.
As always, it has been fun

helinues:
The truth will eventually come out. We are waiting for more revelation

I insisted on the handiwork of the lobbyists about this issue. So exactly

https://www.nairaland.com/8563807/muslim-muslim-ticket-attack-justification

Nigerian are dying everyday. 19000 churches and more have been destroyed, there is an extinction of christian communities in many local governments in the north yet your biggest concern is who told Trump.
Whoever is responsible for for alerting the US is a true Nigerian hero

MaxInDHouse:
The word "BEGOTTEN" has a wider meaning than you assume when applied the context matters mostly but since you don't want to learn go and apply it the way you want.

Just because you are JW doesn't give you the right to redefine words.
It is not in your hands to define what a word means just to justify your doctrines.
But then let's hear you out, tell us the JW meaning of Begotten.
And under the JW definition, is Adam still a begotten or is Jesus Christ the only begotten?

MaxInDHouse:
You can be really funny walahi talahi.

Is Adam not God's begotten Son?

Go through my comment again and see where you keep dribbling yourself.

God created Jesus first and through him all other creatures came into existence just as Adam is the only human through whom all other humans exist!🙂

You just spoiled everything and confused yourself. So Jesus Christ is no longer the only begotten. We have 2 begotten sons now. It only takes 30 minutes for you boys to make a U-turn. It is well

Janosky:

Its in your Bible, Sir.

Luke 3:38
"Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God"

Luke 3:38, Adam is begotten son of God.
John 3;16,Jesus Christ is only begotten son of God.

Oga, screenshot both verses in your own Bible ,let's confirm something.

MaxInDHouse: This is your confused boy again, teaching that Adam is a begotten son of God and at the same time, , Jesus Christ is only the begotten son of God.
At least we can both agree that the boy needs help.

MaxInDHouse:
You just like deceiving yourself.

Is that what he is saying?

Someone reading your comments will think i'm the one you quoted word for word but when asked you quoted another person yet out of context!

Yes, he claimed that firstborns are the only begotten.
His very words
I thought all JW believe the same thing. My apologies, I did not realize you guys have different independent doctrines.

MaxInDHouse:
Nothing changed Jesus was created by God and God created all other things through Jesus.
That has been our belief since ages!🙂

That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in your aimless arguments at least you can see what the Bible said!

No wahala, I would not advise you to take part in a discussion that makes you uncomfortable, but its ok, you have changed some of your false doctrines in the course of our brief discussion.

Maximus692:
God created Jesus directly {Proverbs 8:22} and through Jesus God created all other things! Colossians 1:15-16
That's what makes him the only begotten Son of God!
I don't have time for your aimless arguments now if you are not satisfied it's OK believe whatever you wish!🙂

So other creatures are not begotten. Why couldn't you say this all along instead of confusing yourself? If you had said this, there wouldn't have been a need for the argument. To be clear, now you are saying that Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father, the rest are not begotten because they came through someone else, right?
To the next question, are you saying that the spirits and angels in heaven came through Jesus Christ?

Maximus692:
Make whatever you feel out of it begotten simply means cause someone's birth but if you disagree find your level at least there are many people out there to agree with and start working for your own god!

So is Jesus Christ the only begotten, or are there multiple begottens. And it's good you are changing your doctrine, the last time, you told me that only firstborns are begotten.

MaxInDHouse:
BEGOTTEN simply means cause existence of someone so if begotten is used for others then only begotten has another meaning in that context not that there is no other begotten!🙂

Even you know that what you just wrote above is meaningless. Please take your time and explain what is on your mind. Is there one begotten or many begottens?

Emusan:
The word pretending as you used it, I guess it's just to spin his head.

He is not pretending but deliberately distorting fact.

He was the one who brought John 3:16 to proof that Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son.

The same him went to another place to fabricate how God begotten ALL CREATIONS.

One will just wonder how such fellow became a graduate.

The problem is that people like Janosky and MaxInDHouse have choosen to lie for what they believe to be true and they don't see the irony in that.
You say Jesus Christ is the only begotten and at the same time He is not. But some how the rest of us are wrong and he is right.
Strange people.

ElSudani:
He can't even keep a party together.

And all the men who kept their parties together ended up destroying your country. It is ok to use your head for once, sir. With all due respect.

Emusan:
Even when @Tctrills called your attention about @color-red one will think you'll back down but only for you to continue in the same gymnastic.

If Jesus is his Father's ONLY begotten, how come there are other people BEGOTTEN of the same Father?

It's like saying I'm the ONLY child my parents given birth to but my parents still gave birth to many children.

How does that sound?

I believe Janosky is only pretending not to understand. He knows he has trapped himself in an unintelligent belief, so he has to pretend that he doesn't understand the point or the questions we are asking.

Deceit is the fuel of false religion.

Janosky:
John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 is Bible truth but to Tctrills it's confusion.
God is my Father who begotten me through the agency of my parents.
Tctrills, is God your Father?
Come & be WAILING.

Okay, we agree that God is the Father of all mankind, so what exactly is your point? This is the part we both 100% agree.
But John 3.16 you quoted says Jesus Christ is the only begotten son. It did not say He is the only Son, but rather the only begotten Son. Do you agree with this? Or are there other begotten children, like you say?

Janosky:
Tctrills,why are you expressing your unbelief & denial of John 3:16,Psalm 2:7 & Hebrew 5:5 in your own bible?
Tctrills,which verse in your own Bible says that God Yahweh is begotten or only begotten?
E no dey at all.

Every being is begotten creature (Fathered) by God.

Your own Bible says that Jesus is begotten & also only begotten.

This is the irresistible evidence in your bible that Jesus is a creature.

Oga, are you quoting me or quoting someone else? I am sure I never said God, Yahweh, is begotten or only begotten.
You need to calm down and read who wrote what. Do not confuse yourself. The bible says Jesus is the only begotten of the Father. I agree 100%.
But you said Adam is also begotten of the Father, meaning Jesus Christ is not the only begotten. Please read with understanding. Don't be in a hurry and begin to misrepresent people.

Janosky:


Is Emusan begotten (Fathered) by God?

Is John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 is Jesus the only begotten Son & also begotten by God ?
@ Psalms 2:7 is David /Solomon begotten by God?

Pls, just hide your unbelief & denial of Psalms 2:7, John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5

We all agreed that Jesus is the begotten of the Father, which was never the debate. But you are saying that He is not the only begotten, and still He is the only begotten, that is very unintelligent.

MaxInDHouse:
You've nailed it but trust the twister he'll surely change the narrative.
If begotten means create or procreate then Jesus is a creature that's why the scriptures called him the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15

That point is making him really annoyed now!

Are you guys serious? I keep on saying that Jesus Christ is begotten. Or is it that you suddenly lost the ability to read? Here I am saying it again, Jesus Christ is begotten of the Father. I believe everything written in the scripture. Now, what is your point or your new attack line?

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Janosky:
Psalm 2:7, God begotten ( the Father of) David & Solomon (son of God).

God begotten (the Father of) Adam (son of God).
God begotten (the Father of) Jesus Christ. (Son of God).
God begotten (the Father of ) Adam (son of God).
God begotten Israel.
God begotten (the Father of) ALL.

Begotten meaning "the Father of/Father/ became Father".
The screenshot is self explanatory.
Every begoted/ begotten being is a creature.
God is our Father /the Father of Jesus by creation.
This is the truth that most persons feel uncomfortable about on this thread.

This is not rocket science nau.

Come oh, this boy are you confused? So if everyone is begotten, how is Jesus Christ the only Begotten?
Oga stp confusing yourself.$

[quote author=Janosky post=137510712][b]Every comment you made up there disagrees with your bible.
@ Hebrew 5:5 Jesus is begotten (Fathered) by God".
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Dont be confused, I agree Jesus Christ is the begotten of the father. Nothing I said disagrees with your bible

You saw "I have begotten you"/ I have Fathered you" @ Psalms 2:7 & Hebrew 5:5, but you are giving excuses & WAILING upandan.
I dont even understand your point here. Please learn to make clear points.

@ John 3:16, Jesus is his Father's only Begotten.
You don't want to admit your Bible is correct that Jesus is "begotten" and also "only begotten".
Oga,you are claiming that John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 is "nonsense" to you.
Tctrills,pls provide evidence you that you removed John 3:16 & Hebrew 5:5 from your Bible.
I keep telling you that the bible teaches that Jesus is the only begotten, but you seem to think that there are other begotten like Adam. My question to you is, is Jesus the only begotten, or is Adam also a begotten?
It was you who claimed Adam is a begotten son, not me. I have never said Jesus Christ is not the begotten Son.
You have been totally controversial. You believe Jesus is the only begotten, and yet you believe that there are other begotten. To me, that's dumb territory.

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Janosky:
Tctrills,are you sure you even listening to yourself?
Adam and Solomon, which of them came to life first?

Adam is God's begotten son means that God fathered Adam by creation.

Hebrew 5:5 ,God begotten Jesus means that God Fathered Jesus his son by creation.
The God that appointed Jesus as High Priest made Jesus his creature.

Psalms 2:7, God Fathered Solomon by Creation.

Ephesians 4:6 Jehovah God is the Father of ALL by creation.
Every begotten is a creature.
Jesus the High Priest is a creature.
Every high priest is a creature.

Let this truth sink in to the max.

You are yet to make sense. Adam came first before Solomon but the bible says both are sons of God so what exactly is your point?
Who is a begotten son?
Is it your first born or are all your children begotten?
Please explain.
Ok Hebrew 5:5, who created Adam? So if there are 2 begotten, how do you claim Jesus is the only begotten. Are you confused?
Please don't be double minded. It's either Jesus Christ is the only begotten or both He and Adam are begotten. Please choose one.
Again are all spirits begotten of God?
Ephesians 4:6, You again say that God is the Father of ALL by creation. So again you imply that all creatures are begotten of God, are you confused.

In one paragraph you say,
Hebrew 5:5 ,God begotten Jesus means that God Fathered Jesus his son by creation
And in another paragraph you say,
Ephesians 4:6 Jehovah God is the Father of ALL by creation.

So according to you, all creatures are begotten children of God and Jesus Christ is the only begotten son at the same time?

Oga even if it is your pastor teaching you this nonsense, it's ok for you to tell him to go to hell.
This is the most unintelligent doctrine you guys have ever taught.