₦airaland Forum

SundiKeita:
i get ur point, let's wrap it up.
i have made only two (2) assertions repeatedly.
1. The usa is the most indebted nation which has ever existed will never ever be able to repay their debts.
2. I further debunked your claim repeatedly about usa being the most productive nation that has ever existed, u go fi verify 👉 https://www.oecd.org/ if i dey lie or na true.

You say you get my point but you obviously don't.
My point is , Man move on. We cant and should not continue to repeat. That's not how real men do things.
I will be happy to engage you bif or when you add new ideas or dimensions to the discussion.

Do you understand me now?

And do you really know the meaning of debunked.
You disagreed with me, that's different from debunking. Hope you are seeing why its not possible to have a discussion with you

SundiKeita:
yo, I'm still waiting for u to publish ur findings of oecd standardized metrics and why usa ranks so far far far lower than countries which supposedly are not productively like the usa.

I am sure do don't realize that you have been repeating the very same falsehoods since the discussion began. You haven't added anything new to the discussion.
Dont you thing its time we stop?
I am open to mew ideas even when they are wrong but continuous répétition of the same thing is not my thing.
Its ok to disagree

SundiKeita:
Which civilizations do you know?
which era u from?
u don't qualfy for my free education, so just type in when did gdp start?

Peter Obi is simply talking bout cutting down the time it takes to get something done. But ur analogy is like saying cos u can travel from Lagos to Abuja faster than ppl in the 1970s, or communicate faster cos u have a mobile & they didn't u somehow have a better standard of living or quality of life..shhh u must be having a Grand delusion on an epic scale, productivity doesnt = higher standard of living - remember that

Yes, I stated and will repeat, the most indebted nation which has ever existed will never ever be able to repay their debts - remember where you heard it from.
U can't verify what i'm saying - so Imma help you, check the oecd stats and report bk ur findings. Why does the same usa u keep worshiping rank far far lower than other oecd countries on almost every standardized metric against their peers who are just stitched up countries and they not even empires, they can't even compete -- as they say travel and see

You are deluded beyond belief, if u tink Afrika needs dollars .. shhh Afrika has never ever needed anything from outsiders -- its all these parasites who leech of Afrika. what the is a dollar? abeg make we tink
I repeat, if Nigeria and Afrikans do the needful — decided to dump holding this toilet paper U.S. dollars and actually require outsiders to hold African currencies to buy African resources — you will understand the true meaning of empire.

Ok, now you are regurgitating your talking points. I guess we have both made our points. Have a wonderful day

MaxInDHouse:
YES, Fortuna!

Made up religion. There is no god in charge of gambling.
It was humans, men like you who decided that a god should be in charge of everything and they created a nonexistent god for war, agriculture, gambling, love, wine.

That is not Christianity. It is a false religion

Janosky:

Tctrills rejects Hebrews 5:5 & John 3:16.

Tctrills have shown he does not believe the teaching of Jesus & Paul whom Jesus converted.
Tctrills can't change Hebrew 5:5 & John 3:16.
Oga,continue deceiving yourself.

Oga is Adam God's begotten son? And is Jesus Christ the only begotten?

Please answer these 2 questions.

Janosky:
Oga,Your "mutual " theory is very faulty & error filled.
Tctrills, 5 questions for you have to respond to.
Where the inspired writers of Psalm 2:7,Hebrew5:5 & John 8:41 thinking about "mutually exclusive" in English?

Is English the original language of your Bible @Psalm2:7,Hebrew 5:5 & John 8:41?

What is the meaning of Greek gennao @Psalms2:7,Hebrew 5:5 & John 8:41?
Tctrills, which person did Greek gennao refer to @ Psalms 2:7, Hebrew5:5 & John 8:41?
Tctrills,is Jesus Gennao (begotten) @ Hebrews 5:5 & monogenes (only begotten) @ John 3:16?

Even when they explain to you like a baby, you still cant understand.

To answer your questions, mutual exclusivity is not an English or language concept.

It has applied to everything since création. It is older than any language you know. It simply means 2 things that cant be true at the same time.

In Hausa land, if you throw a coin, you cant get head and tail at the same time same in Yoruba land and all languages.

I hope you understand now.

To your next set of questions

I don't know the meaning of Greek gennao.

[quote author=SundiKeita post=137714135]A word to the wise is enough.

The GDP you love so much — when did it start? c’mon quit playing, when did it start?
Read any so‑called American scholar from the 20th century — which people did they exclusively borrow from?
Even the mighty British Empire, which covered most of the world and whose currency was dominant, never had the gall to call itself the most productive on earth.

Your idea about the U.S. being the most productive nation in the world ever: this grand delusion is scary.
Human endeavour, agriculture, sports, manufacturing, tech and investments = incase u didn't know they have their own club
Its called OECD a club created by the same U.S. you claim to be the greatest ever, and see their rankings: report your findings

Your analogy bout debt holds no weight nieither, ur greatest nation can never ever repay their debts — remember where you heard it from.
Combine China, India, EU, and your fav USA — none of these parasites are even a fixture for we in Afrika to contend with. We in Afrika haven’t figured out what an economy is — that’s why these little boys come tell our govts to devalue currencies and overnight we’re all poorer.

I repeat, if Nigeria and Afrikans do the needful — decided to dump holding this toilet paper U.S. dollars and actually require others to hold African currencies to buy African resources — you will understand the true meaning of: "What an elder sees sitting down, a child cannot see even if he stands on an Iroko tree (or climbs a tall tree)"[/quote

Oga, you asked a very childish question, when fid GDP start?
As long as there has been a civilization, there has been GDP. If your question was when did the study and calculation of GDP star, that would have been a much more intelligent question.
Now lets educate you once again, the British empire at its greatest was not as productive as the state of California today. In Peter Obi's voice Go and verify.

You keep saying things without verification so its impossible to have a discussion with you. If the US is not the most productive nation, then which nation is?

Then you make another childish comment about the US never paying their debt.

If the US cant pay its debt then who can? Is it Africa, ir China or the EU?

Lastly Africa as a whole, holds less then 10% of all dollar in circulation so you clearly dont know what you are saying

PureSperm:
That was when true friendship was still the bedrock of a functional Nigeria

How we got it all wrong is what I'm yet to fathom.

There was never a functional Nigeria

HacheNoire:
The US does not know the world has left them behind!

Who could remember 10 years ago when Europe and North America were anti China. The world has drastically changed and aligning with the new world power-China.

Even Canada ran to Asia when the US under Trump wanted to strangle her economy.

Trump can wail from any corner of the world, but it cannot change the glaring trajectory of events. Not even with allies he has pushed off.

Hate or like China, they have invested massively in human development and infrastructure and now, it’s paying off!

I don't know the source of your information, but under Trump, the US is getting more investments from the EU and the rest of the world than ever before. No other nation, not even China, comes close. What you wrote is only happening in your dreams

JASONjnr:
They're welcome to the land of fulfillment....my only worry is them surviving up there in the North with this insecurities.....

Lol, Oga, what kind of person are you?
You called Nigeria the land of fulfillment, but you worry about their survival and insecurity. This is no longer looking like the land of fulfillment

SundiKeita:
Norway and 5 differnt companies partnered, exactly what Britain did in the north sea so get of that American worshiping.
Guess u missed history class again, US isn't unique as u think just an extension of imperial Britain. If Nigeria 🇳🇬 and Afrikans do the needful n decided to dump holding this toilet paper us dollars and actually do the sensible and require others to hold African currencies to buy African resources u will understand what true power is.

Finally...wen were u born calling US most productive nation since creation shows u lack understanding of history... Oyyah carry go

N I stated their indebtedness not cos of hate but to remind u the British empire lasted almost 300 years, the yanks u worship won't even see 100 years...tell creation to refund u

You are making off topic arguments. And i guess you are doing it to show that you have done a bit if reading on the topic. No one said that only American companies were involved in oil exploration.
If you are really intelligent, you will read and understand what i wrote before replying.

Now, i will not reply to everything you wrote only to a few you got completely wrong.

So let me educate you.

The US is the most productive nation there has ever been and no nation comes close.
The question you should ask is how is productivity measured?

It is measured in GDP. No nation, empire or people has ever come close to the US figures adjusted for inflation..

Take almost any field of human endeavor the US is almost always number 1 or in rear occasions, number 2.
Agriculture, the US is but far the most productive
Tech, the US is number 1
Investment the US is top
Sports the US is number 1
Entertainment, the US is number 1
Manufacturing, the US is number 2
No nation comes close

Now you talked about debt, again let me educate you.

Lets make an analogy.
If i earn a million Naira and owe 2 million to the bank and you earn a hundred thousand but owe 500k to the bank, I clearly owe more but you actually owe a bigger percentage of your earns.
So look at debt to GDP and the US is no longer number 1.

Now, there are more ways to look at the health of an economy and debt is just one not the only way.

When you look at other factors, you discover that the US is by miles the most robust and sustaining economy in the world.

The economies of China, India, the EU, and Africa are far more fragile and much more likely to collapse before that of the US.

So stop praying for the fall of the US rather pray that your dying economy will survive.

SundiKeita:
Every fool must learn... Norway and UK share straits of water called north sea. Both nations only explored for oil after netherlands had discovered large gas reserves off the north sea coast. Giving credit solely to Philips Petroleum shows u can't count who came first.
Accounting 101 - Assets - liabilities =?
U counting the most indebted nation in history as the richest shows ur level of education.

You are really shallow, i did not give credit solely to anyone. I only told you that Norway partnered with an American company and it brought great wealth.

You talk about debt and forgot to add that the US is by miles the most productive nation since création.

The only point you seem to be making here is that, the US is indebted so you dislike them. You don't seem to be a very serious person

SundiKeita:
You assert Norway got rich of American partnership but Norwegians have a better standard of living than the USA... why question is why America help their own self?

Sometimes you boys make disjointed arguments. It was American companies that discovered and pioneered the exploration of oil in Norway.
And its extremely foolish for a Nigerian to ask the US to help itself when the US is among the richest nations by any measure.
Clearly, they have done very well for themselves.

Up

seunmsg:
Trump: We will be sending our biggest companies to the Congo and Rwanda. We will take out some of the rare earth, and take out some of the assets. Everybody will make a lot of money.

Trump:

We will be sending our biggest companies to the Congo and Rwanda.

We will take out some of the rare earth, and take out some of the assets.

Everybody will make a lot of money. pic.twitter.com/qEDRxnfvSc

— Clash Report (@clashreport) December 4, 2025

So what’s this all about? Congo is arguably the most endowed country in terms of mineral resources in the world. As a result, the country has never really known peace.

Last year, Rwanda, a US puppet country armed a militia group (Fulani militia style) to launch attack on Eastern Congo. Now, big brother Donald Trump steps in to say, hey guys, you all stop fighting. Let’s do a deal in which we guarantee security in this area and we move in our country’s companies to mine all the rare earth mineral resources. Don’t worry, we will give you imbecilic Africans some peanuts and everyone is happy. And boom, the President of Rwanda and Congo rushed to the US the deal.

Well, I guess we can all relate this to Nigeria. Again, nobody is coming to save anybody in Nigeria. All they want is exploitation and nothing else.

The propaganda team at work. How much of Afghanistan and Iraqi resources did the US steal.
People like you would rather the resources remain in the ground as long as everyone remains hungry.
Lastly, the conflict between Congo and Rwanda back forces did not start last year.
People like you hate peace, you prefer hunger and war as long as the US gains nothing
Saudi got rich from selling resources in partnership with US companies, Norway got rich from doing same with American partnership but when its time for an african county the storytellers get busy with distractions.

blueAgent:
True.

But they refuse to help themselves.

And it is dangerous

blueAgent:
This clown for go write in own Bible, and leave us alone.

Janosky and gang are actually not the problem. They are victims of an evil system that makes intelligent people act brainlessly.

Kaliningrad:
These are the people that wants to "rescue" Christians from Boko Haram and Bandits? Lmaoooo!!

They can't even protect their citizens inside their own country.

More Americans have died from gun violence and mass shootings this year alone than Boko Haram have killed in the last 5 years.

We christians are not complaining, we want their protection.
I understand you need things to continue as they are in Nigeria but we christians are not comfortable with the way things are. We need change and we will give the US a chance since your brother has failed us

Janosky:
Tctrills opinion: Jesus is not the only begotten son of God
Hebrew 11:17-19, is Isaac the only begotten son of A raham?
Yes.

Tctrills, does Hebrew 11:17-19 say or mean that Abraham did not beget other sons ?

Tctrills, did John 3:16 mean that God did not beget other sons ?


Tctrills.you are deceiving yourself.
Pls grow up and be reasonable.

I noticed that you are not too good at understanding so I will explain to you the way I would explain to my child.

Have you heard of the term Mutually exclusive?

Mutually exclusive refers to two or more events or conditions that cannot occur simultaneously. If one event happens, the other cannot. For example, a coin toss resulting in either heads or tails is a classic illustration of mutually exclusive outcomes.

Let me give you one more example
If I tell you that I played in the rain today and again, I tell you that it did not rain today, these are mutually exclusive events, it is not possible to have both outcomes.

So when you say, Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God but all , Adam, the Jews, the spirits, and indeed all mankind are begotten sons of God, it is mutually exclusive.

Both statements can't be true at the same time. One must be false for the other to be true.

I hope you finally understand why you behave been wrong.

Anyway, one love.

Kim

Janosky:
Tctrills opinion: Jesus is not the only begotten son of God
Hebrew 11:17-19, is Isaac the only begotten son of A raham?
Yes.

Tctrills, does Hebrew 11:17-19 say or mean that Abraham did not beget other sons ?

Tctrills, did John 3:16 mean that God did not beget other sons ?


Tctrills.you are deceiving yourself.
Pls grow up and be reasonable.

Again, you say, Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son and again we Clain is is not, every other person is also a begotten son.
Honestly this is not the work of a normal person. No insult intended.

Janosky:
John 8:41,the Jews said God is their Father who beget/ born (Greek gennao) them .
Is God the same Father who begets Adam?

Psalm 2:7,Psalm 22:9-10 & Psalm 139:13, David confirmed that God begets him in his mother's womb & brought him out into the world .
Tctrills, lying to himself. Nah him way .

Now you are saying all Jews are begotten sons of God but Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God but I am the one deceiving myself. Very eloquent.

Janosky:
Hebrew 11:17-9 = John 3:16.
Hebrew 11;17-19 references John 3:16
Tctrills is deceiving himself.

I wouldn't reply to these references because you have shown you don't understand what you read.

Janosky:
Perhaps,you have it.
I don't have any issue of that sort .
Hebrew5:5, Jesus is begotten by his Father,Yahweh.
John 3:16, Jesus is also only begotten.
Tctrills have issues with both teachings .
Oga,continue WAILING .

Oga please seek help , you are the very same person that write the following .
God beget Adam his son.
God begets spirit beings and human beings .
Jesus is his only begotten son,his Firstborn creature.
Adam is not Gods only begotten son.
Oga, stop your deliberate mix up to deceive yourself.

From your own words what do we deduce
1. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God
2. God begot billions of other children hence Jesus Christ is not the only begotten Son of God.
Sorry to say,your words and counter words are like getting into the head of a mad man.
It is frustrating.

gohf:
but are you a spirit or a soul?

Oga stick to one topic at a time.

Janosky:
Oga, STOP Deceiving yourself and LYING.

Jesus is only begotten (ONLY BORN) son of God. John 3:16 evidence.

Jesus won't be only begotten son if he's not begeted (begeted meaning born/created ) by God.
Therefore,Jesus is the first creature created by God that is why Jesus is the only begotten Son.

Adam is son of God ,begotten (created) by God.
God begets Adam,Yahweh is the Father of Adam & all creatures.

Only begotten Son & begotten are two DISTINCT teachings in the holy Bible.

Adam is NOT only begotten son,your Bible did not say that.
Tctrills , stop merging the two distinct teachings to deceive yourself.

Oga are you having a mental break down? You are making the argument that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God and at the same time, opposing the argument. Your argument lacks sense. What is your aim here.
You talk about 2 distinct teachings,
One Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God
Two Jesus Christ is not the only begotten Son of God because everyone is.
Are you ok?

Janosky:
Isaac is the only begotten son of Sarah & Abraham, Hebrew 11:1-19

Isaac is their firstborn , you go wail & continue WAILING
Luke 7:12,that young man is the only begotten son of his mother
He is her first born son, no capping.

Stop confusing yourself. Yes Isaac is clearly the first and only child between Sarah and Abraham explain how that comes into the discussion.
Again the bible states that's woman has one child oga what is your point here? Are you saying that because this woman had only one child, that is some how important to this discussion because?
Abraham and Sarah had one child, A certain woman had one child, therefore, according to jw, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and at the same time, He isn't. If you don't see that your doctrine is senseless, I can't help you anymore.

Janosky:
Job 31;15
"Did not the One who made me in the womb also make them? Did not the same God form us both in the womb?"

Job confirmed that God begeted him in his mother's womb.

Tctrills deceiving himself, did God beget Adam?
Tctrills, Psalm 139:13-16, Psalm 22:9-10, did God beget you?

So your point here is that Jesus Christ is not the only begotten Son, John lied according to you since everyone is a begotten Son of God. Ok, no problem

Janosky:
[/b]Continue deceiving yourself making false claims.

God beget Adam his son.
God begets spirit beings and human beings .
Jesus is his only begotten son,his Firstborn creature.
Adam is not Gods only begotten son.
Oga, stop your deliberate mix up to deceive yourself.

Stop acting movies here. No bible verse says God begot Adam, you invented that. Just as no bible verse says God begot you nor I.
Why are you very manipulative?

helinues:
The so called religious countries are just so funny. Trump was talking about christian persecution in Nigeria when the LGTBQ in the same USA could be more than the christians

Iran, Palestine claimed to be Muslim countries but they have been engaging in terrorism

India claimed to be Hindus but they are not tolerant with other religion like Muslim

Who is deceiving who?

You want Trump to arrest LGTBQ people in a free country and not focus on your Islamic friends committing a genocide in your own country.

MaxInDHouse:
They are crying as if JWs are the problem they had whereas it's their rebellious hearts that's hurting them.
This same tctrills openly confessed that he discovered JWs has a very good system of worship until he met us on NL that is what opened his eyes to our evil.
Now what evil deeds do JWs practice?
He said:
JWs excommunicate apostates! Romans 16:17; 2John 10
JWs don't practice interfaith! 2Corinthians 6:14 compare to Exodus 23:32
JWs believe only in their organization as members of the Christian faith! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10
All these makes him conclude that JWs are evildoers after seeing all the good results of our faith. Matthew 5:11-12
So since that time he is determined to argue against everything JWs teaches as if he was blind to it before.

Abeg who is deceiving himself if not the one who says good is bad and bad is good? Isaiah 5:20
So now that i know he has witnessed the good deeds of God's organization but chose to hate us for our faith there is no reason to continue engaging him the only thing i'm waiting for him to present is a better performing group than JWs in the absence of that abeg let them continue wailing!🙂

If you want to quote me, use the right words. I did not discover jw has a good system, rather, I thought they had a good system. There is a big difference between discovering and thinking.
But now, I know it's just rubbish.

You have had 2 days to explain the JW fruits and so far, your big answer was that the JW preach to others. If that's what you consider to be your fruit then you are a dried fig tree.
As if every other Christian organization doesn't preach the gospel to others.

You just exposed how empty your organization is.

Janosky:
You always love deceiving yourself making false claims.

Hmm, you are a strange person oh. Did you dream about me?
Or have you gone to do more research on the topic?
Anyway, I am hear, if you have any new to say, let's hear it

mrvitalis:
When you see a paid write up you would know 100%

Can someone name me just one Muslim northern villages herdsmen have
1) chased out the owners of the name
2) replaced them and renamed the land

You hit the nail on the head. They want to take away the religious angle

Roycemadeit:
@MaxinDHouse


If child killing is evil, then how do we explain the deaths of babies in Sodom and Gomorrah, or the children among the Midianites, who had done nothing? These stories show judgment falling not only on guilty adults but on infants who had no agency, no choices, and no “sins” of their own. If the Creator is loving and just, why is the repeated solution the destruction of children?

It should trouble anyone who claims to value life that divine punishment so often targets the most innocent, and pretending that this is moral simply because it is written in a holy book does not make it right.



The point is simple: when I speak as a human being with human feelings, you respond like something programmed to ignore that conscience. You failed the Litmus test because you justify the killing of babies and pillaging of others once the command is attributed to God, even though if any human being did the same thing to your own child, you would never accept it as divine.

That double standard is exactly why Christianity collapses under its own weight: it demands that people silence their moral instinct whenever Scripture contradicts it, and in doing so, it turns believers into something less than human.

Any faith that requires you to suspend your conscience in order to defend cruelty is not truth.

It is conditioning.

Sorry, I am crashing into this discussion without following from the start
There is something you are missing. God is the giver of life. He has the right to take life. You and I don't have that same right because we don't own life. So it is not a double standard.

A simple illustration,
If I plant a garden, I have the right to harvest any fruit from my garden. You do not have the same right, and it would be wrong for you to accuse me of a double standard when I pluck my oranges and prevent you from doing the same.

Again, the journey of the human soul doesn't end at death, and every soul would again be resurrected. That's all the more reason why you can't question when God takes a soul. He can and will bring it back again, but you and I can't, so why should we kill?

God created human life, let Him decide the destiny of each soul, not you, non I. And it is not a double standard.