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[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=136149862]This is where you see the difference between A civil servant and a soldier. The president (king) and governors (the king's ministers) and cronies of the king have already shown you that the soldiers and armed men exclusively belongs to them. Hence the statement "the chief security officer". Which is why soldiers always obey the order of the king and is under a separate law (armed forces act)

But civil servants, even though they work for the king in his offices are still like regular people and these ones can challenge the king. Which is why you see that there are a lot of cases of civil servants suing and challenging their kings.
Oga wait oh. Your entire point here is that because civil servants can sue the government and you believe soldiers cannot, hence God is against the army and in support of the civil service?
It's not a very logical point.
Anyway, we had many soldiers sue the Biden administration for enforcing them to take the covid vaccine. So is the US Army acceptable to God?

Clearly because they are trying to take God's Position and be like God (Idolatry) exactly the crime Sa.. told Eve that she could do.

Again, if you decide to read your Bible, you will learn that it is Gid that makes kings.

Stellar360:
I'd very much like you to point me where I made the point that anyone or even Christians should hate the jews.

you probably mistook my response for something else or failed to read it clearly, and simply jumped into rebuttals.

Read up on the last question I asked him.

something to the effect of "remind me why you support the state of Israel".

I understood everything you wrote; you basically quoted the writings of ancient jews as your reason why a Christian should not support the state of Israel.
You are saying that you wonder why a Christian would support Israel from a religious point because the four Jews you quoted consider is consider to be a form of paganism.

Please let me know if you still think that I misunderstood you.

NgeneUkwenu:
I think it is Benin City. I was there last month, couldn't find a decent hotel for 30K a night. Had to spend 40K for a regular hotel.

There is more to life than hotels.
First consider things like cost of food, transportation, house rent, school fees, health care, and then maybe we can discuss your hotels.

Stellar360:
it's even more fascinating how you seem to support the state of israel, more so from a religious point of view.
Given that christianity is considered to be a form of paganism (Avodah Zarah, עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה) due to its "corrupt" Trinitarian beliefs and deification of Jesus (whom you endlessly proclaim to be god, and on that note I'll invite you to study extensively on how Yesh'ua is characterized in Judaism most especially from the Gemara 'Talmud'), according to the Rambam and other Jewish Sages, below are some references.

1. Rabbi Saadia Gaon (882-942 CE)
One of the earliest major Jewish philosophers and Geonim.
In his work "Book of Beliefs and Opinions" (ספר האמונות והדעות), Saadia Gaon criticizes Christian Trinitarian theology and considers the idea of God becoming man to be blasphemous and idolatrous.
Reference: The Book of Beliefs and Opinions, Trans. Samuel Rosenblatt, Yale University Press (1948), especially in the chapters on Unity of God (Oneness).

2. Rabbi Maimonides (Rambam, 1135-1204 CE)
In his halakhic magnum opus, the Mishneh Torah, particularly in the section Hilchot Avodat Kochavim (Laws of Idolatry), Rambam writes that:
"The Christians are idol worshipers, and Sunday is their day of idolatry." - Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Avodat Kochavim 9:4
He also discusses in his Responsa (Teshuvot ha-Rambam) that Christianity is considered idolatry for Jews because of the belief in the divinity of Jesus, the use of graven images, and the Trinity, which contradict the strict monotheism of Judaism.

3. Rabbi Avraham ben HaRambam (c. 1186-1237 CE)
The son of Maimonides.
He followed his father's line of thought and also viewed Christian theology - particularly its anthropomorphism - as a deviation from true monotheism.

4. Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg (1215-1293 CE)
A major Ashkenazi authority during the medieval period.
In his responsa, he clearly defines Christian beliefs as idolatrous, and ruled that Jews must not enter churches due to the presence of icons and statues.
Responsa of Rabbi Meir of Rothenburg, Teshuvot Maharam, siman 193.





Remind me again, why you support the State of Israel?

Your point here is that christians should hate Jews because they don't believe in Christian theology?
And you quoted the words of men who lived hundreds of years ago only to show that Christianity and Judaism are 2 different religions with different believes and both don't agree on a number of subjects.
But then you did not quiote from the thousands of passages of scripture where both religions agree. You did not quote from the hundreds of Jews who have said good and positive things about Christianity.

CoronaVirusPro:
The usual!

Same excuses! Always regretting.

Who are they still fighting in Gaza? No one shooting or throwing missiles at them but still keep bombing innocent civilians.

The reasons for the actions of the German man needs to be investigated. I refuse to fall for the false narration that he just started cleansing. He saw something the books never narrated and that, the world is suffering now.

Go and fight your own war land show the IDF how possible it is to fight without killing any civilian

ElevationD:
Yes, she was beaten because of her color. The only reason that white racists attack you wherever you find them is the color of your skin. Right under your nose in your country Nigeria, the Chinese, Lebanese and Indians racially attack your own people.

So while in Europe, South Africa, USA, Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East, Asia, mind where you reside, as a black skinned person.

Your comment smirks of one who has never ventured out of his community. Na only Nairaland be your own embassy, airport and abroad.

Actually, you are the one sounding like you have never left your village. Crazy neighbours fight and beat up each other all over the world. You don't have to be black to get a beating. So any sane person would want to know if she was walloped because of her colour or for some other reason

Deepspirituals:
Thou Shall Not Kill,Does Judgement for Killing Applies to Military Men.

One more verse from the bible.
John 18:36
“My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight…”
Here, Jesus Christ clearly explained that the reason why His servants would not fight was because His kingdom is not of this world, but for Kings and Presidents with earthly kingdoms, from the statement of Christ, it is 100% accepted if they command their servants to war.

Deepspirituals:
Thou Shall Not Kill,Does Judgement for Killing Applies to Military Men.

In Luke 3:14, when soldiers asked him asked John what to do, he did not tell them to quit their jobs

“Then some soldiers asked him, ‘And what should we do?’ He replied, ‘Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.’”

These soldiers were under Roman authority, not Jewish. John doesn’t condemn their profession.

Instead, he instructs them to act justly and with contentment, implying that being a soldier is not sinful, but how one behaves matters.

Dtruthspeaker:
Then you still don't understand the song and what soldier means.

So, in the line of your question, go read up what or is it who a soldier is. I am sure you will still come up wrong, so let me help you, can a soldier be a soldier of 2 Masters and Kings? Jesus even answered this.

Can a civil servant have 2 kings? Should we also assume that Christians can't work in the civil service? In fact, if we extend your argument, the only place Christians can work will be under church employment.

Michael547:
A soldier cannot be a soldier of two kings.
Can a Christian soldier in Nigeria meet a Christian soldier in Ghana in war and kill each other?

The Roman Centurion in Matthew 8:10, did he have 2 kings?
The Roman Centurion Cornelius, in Acts 10, did he have 2 kings?

Deepspirituals:
Thou Shall Not Kill,Does Judgement for Killing Applies to Military Men.

Instead of practising guesswork Christianity, let's read what the scriptures say.
Romans 13
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Here, Paul describes political leaders as ministers of God to you for good. He went ahead to say that they bear not the sword in vain: for they are the ministers of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

What do you learn here? You learn that God permits your military leaders to bear arms (Have an army or police) to protect you.

Now that you have read it from Paul, please don't argue anymore.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
According to God's word the life of each creature is precious to God that's why God never approved killing from the onset but along the way it becomes necessary for humans to eat fleshy creatures so God gave a rule on how animals should be killed to show respect for giver of life. Genesis 9:4-5; Leviticus 17:11-14
When God established a nation He didn't use a military force to do so the Israelites got their freedom from Egypt without lifting up a finger to fight God did all the fighting after much pleading with the Egyptian King who felt there is no such God who can order him around while God kept giving him a breathing space as if hardening his heart! Exodus 8:15, 32

So from the onset there was no room for a military it was Satan who initiated military to make humans feel they are strong enough to dominate their fellow humans!

You couldn't even provide a single verse that shows God's displeasure with military killings in war.
But we both know that there are tens of verses where God shows support for such killings.
But let me provide one. In the book of Esther, the people of God obeyed the decree of an infidel king and went on a killing spree that was divinely approved.
This tells us that even under the command of nonbelievers, christians have a duty to fight for their nation.

Morenikeji090:
lol the award headline is very funny sha… lol strong and master class clubs can’t lower themselves to go play conference league e.t.c just to make a such record lol…. Chelsea fans this is not a great achievement but respect to your team for doing good..

No wonder Chelsea is the champion of the world, strong and master class clubs can’t lower themselves to win the World Cup. Only humble clubs like Chelsea

Chinjo2:
This is how Ayade killed the dream of Donald duke.
This is the same scenario playing out in Edo State where the governor is busy destroying everything that were done by Obaseki instead of him to build on them.
Nigeria politicians are evil

Oga, if the ranch can't pay for itself, then it is a complete waste of public funds

MaxInDHouse:
If the word "TRINITY" is not written in the Bible then there is nothing to debate but aimless arguments!

Bro, you are getting wise, oh. I am shocked to see myself agreeing completely with you. Thumbs up

HydraFeeds:
It's all about weapons and intelligence is also a form of weapon .

That being said ,you think if US is unhinged they won't launch there full force on Afghanistan or Vietnam? By nuking them .

That's not the point. Israel is not great because of US weapons. Israel is not great because of US aid. All the other top recipients of US Aid and all loser nations.
Giving a country guns and money doesn't make them great. Achieving national greatness takes a whole lot more.

Dtruthspeaker:
The proper thing is for you to quote them then point out your disagreement while I rebut.

However in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884 I am sure someone in there said what you were going to say and I replied them all, so read and revert and see if you whatever you want to say is different from theirs.

And you can consider holy Abraham, David or even tuface in your Kingdom however in God's View, He did not judge them Holy. None of the people you want to hold on to scored that goal, only 3 men got that score to wit- Noah, job and Daniel.

Of which did you see that after Abraham had taken those women, he woke up one day and sent them away?

If you have nothing to quote, it's to end the debate. I don't like people saying things they can't defend.

MaxInDHouse:
No law forbids both from marrying more partners Christianity is speaking to both genders!

If you don't believe the bible, I don't know what to tell you. It says clearly that a married woman can't marry another man except her husband is dead. It says the same thing in you JW bible. I just read it. So do we believe you or do we believe Paul the Apostle?

MaxInDHouse:
There is no law forbidden both so i'm not against either side!

Did you avoid the verse I quoted? In case you did, please read this in your JW bible to see if it says something different.

Romans 7:2–3 –
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth... So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress...

Dtruthspeaker:
You obviously have not read Deuteronomy 17:17/Ezra 10:3 and the fact that after that Law you cannot see an Isrealite with 2 wives again, the next question is how can a married man marry a second wife without committing adultery?

Then if you say that this was the only sin David committed then why did he not fornicate/adulteryrate with the very clean and beautiful virgin who even loved him that was given to him by his servants (as they usually do) to warm and comfort him?

Even here on earth we do not consider a man with 2 or more wives to be a holy person how much more God Who commanded that we should be holy.

Anyone who still subscribes to polygamy is not one who knows God nor fear Him.

Please sir quote Deuteronomy 17:17/Ezra 10:3
For everyone to read because none of these verses are saying what you are saying.
Again, I consider Abraham to be holy, he had 4 wives.

HydraFeeds:
There's nothing like God of Israel besides USA .

Your weapons determine your outcome .

Wrong
How come the Afghan army lost to the Taliban with over 40 billion dollars of US weapons?

How come south Vietnam lost to Vietcong with billions of dollars of US weapons?

It takes a lot more than weapons my guy.

MaxInDHouse:
No verse condemns either polygamy or polyandry so both genders can marry multiple partners a man or woman is financially capable let them marry as many partners as they want!

So your point is that you decide for God what is sin right?
For me, I allow God decide what is sin, you see the difference?
I can also make the stretch that monogamy is sin using your logic of deciding whatever you wish as sin. But rather, I stick to the revelations.
Let me add
2. Romans 7:2–3 –
"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth... So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress..."

destinychildolu:
Abuja stadium was built back in year 2000 for 360m usd

The 60k capacity stadium in Abidjan was completed 3 years ago. It cost 257 million dollars.
To pay 300k for a 20k capacity stadium is nothing but corruption.

Kushites:
You guys don’t know what is happening in Burkina Faso.

Since Traore came in, revenue has increased tenfold because he stopped the French deals that saw his country get 10% of the profits from its export trade in gold and other minerals, to something like 80% today, especially using indigenous labour and Russian/Chinese help.

He is showing that these countries are actually very rich. It was their Exploitation by the west that has kept them in poverty.

So if he’s building such a stadium, it’s no biggie. They are very rich in gold and minerals, and now They - not the French - control that wealth.

Go to Burkina Faso. The entire country is a construction site. Why will a stadium not be included?

Oga just take a look at the stadium, if you know anything about construction, you would know that this stadium cost much less. The young leader is cashing out.
This is just a 20k capacity stadium.
The 60k capacity stadium in Abidjan cost 257 million dollars.

MaxInDHouse:
Job said:

“I have made a covenant with my eyes. So how could I show improper attention to a virgin? Job 31:1

"If my heart has been enticed by a woman And I have lain in wait at my neighbor’s door, Then let my wife grind grain for another man, And let other men have sexual relations with her" Job 31:9-10

Jesus said:

"But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a man/woman so as to have a passion for him/her has already committed adultery with him/her in his/her heart." Matthew 5:28

Is it possible to be a polygamist without first being adulterous?

So let's be honest here. Gods children do not make laws for him. He gives us his laws and we obey.

No verse in the bible, old or new condemn polygamy. For all the wives David had, not was considered a sin unto God except for the one the took from another man.

Please let's not depend on guesswork to determine what pleases God. Let us learn to live by revelation.

AntiChristian:
Sometimes, people are indeed honest enough to admit that the Bible really does not prohibit polygamy (polygyny). However, as a hedge against that admission, such ones may then resort to saying one of the following assertions:

"Yes, but God never condoned polygamy."
"Yes, God allowed it, but He was against polygamy."
"Polygamy was only man's idea, not God's".
"Yes, but God never approved of polygamy."

The passage involving 2 Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals otherwise.
"I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more."
2 Samuel 12:8.

The context of the verse is that of God, speaking through a prophet (Nathan), calling out David for David's sin of taking another man's wife (Bathsheba, wife of Uriah the Hittite), which is adultery indeed, and for setting up the death of Uriah the Hittite to try to hide David's sin.

Also, at the point in time of this situation, David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1 Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43, 2 Samuel 3:2-5.)

But, in this verse 12 (above), God was not condemning David for all his wives! In fact, this verse 12 shows God Himself actually saying that HE was the One Who had GIVEN David His wives.

If God was against David's polygamy, He certainly would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives.

But the LORD did not stop there. That verse 12 shows that the Lord took it even one step further than that! The LORD God even went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives, the Lord Himself said that He would have given David even more!

It was only because David had sinned, in committing adultery by taking another man's wife, and then causing that man's death to try to hide David's sin, that the Lord was calling him out through the prophet Nathan. There was no sin in the polygamy at all.

This is later confirmed that this was the only matter by 1 Kings 15:5, which says the following:

"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "
1 Kings 15:5.

Two verses before that, in 1 Kings 15:3, the Bible says that David's heart was perfect with the LORD God.

Very clearly, therefore, what all this shows is that God is the One Who gives wives, even when more than one wife.

This is, of course, confirmed by 1_Corinthians 7:17.

"But as God hath distributed to every man,
as the Lord hath called every one,
so let him walk.
And so ordain I in all churches."
1 Corinthians 7:17.

Be it
NO wife,
ONE wife, or
MORE THAN ONE wife,
it is only has God calls and gives.

As such, it is clear that the Bible does, in fact, explicitly show

"Yes, God did condone polygamy."
"Yes, God allowed it, and He was not against polygamy."
"Polygamy is not a man's idea, but God's".
"Yes, God did approve of polygamy."
In 2 Samuel 12:8, He Himself said so!

You are kind of right. The bible doesn't condemn polygamy. As men, we do not make laws for God, we listen to him and follow his lead.
But as children of God, we don't stop at the bible because God still speaks to man. My advice is that you listen to the voice of God today and you will be fine.

Commentor:
E pain am.

Lol how come I am laughing.
You lost the debate and now you are trying to make my sad. But I can only laugh. Grow up my kid.

Commentor:
Clearly, a local champion.

It's ok you see me as your champion but to me you are only a local nobody.
We start from being local champions to becoming international but you will never become a champion.

Commentor:
As I said: I know your type.

Good for you.