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FreeIgboho:
Those of you who fervently believe in FREE WILL, please educate me, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?

Yes, God has given us free will. It is the freedom to choose between good and evil. Now, was there ever the slightest chance that Judas would not betray Jesus?
This is a much more technical question. I do not have a straightforward answer, but I see a clue in something Jesus Christ said.
John 6:70
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

So even before choosing Judas, Christ knew he was evil and had evil intentions.

Again, we read,

John 17:12:
Jesus, in his prayer to the Father, mentions Judas, saying, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The phrase son of perdition, also appears in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, referring to the Antichrist:

“…that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

So we can tell that Judas was chosen for the task because he was evil. He had given his soul to the devil, and what the devil does is that he robs us of our freedom. He takes away our power to choose the right.

Judas was lost beyond recovery, marked by his betrayal, and fulfilling prophecy as one doomed to eternal judgment.

igatit:
The gospel must be heard. Go through my post again. In 1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 Jesus preached to the spirits in prison. The spirit were people that have died before but did not have the privilledge to have listened to or rejected the gospel.

(1 Peter 3:19) "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison." This verse refers to Jesus, after his death, proclaiming his victory over sin and death to spirits held captive, who are understood by some to be fallen angels or those who rejected God's message in Noah's time.

1 Peter 4:6 " For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

The fact remains that, the gospel must be heard and accepted by anyone living or dead before judgement.

Romans 10:10-17 "With the heart we beleive unto righeousness, but with the mouth confession is made unto salvation"

So when they have heard the gospel, it's left for them to believe it or not.

This makes a lot of sense though.
Why don't Christians talk about this. But then, it says the gospel was preached to those in the days of Noah. My great great grandfather came after Noah, does he also get a chance to hear the gospel.

FreeIgboho:
I feel bad not also posting proofs Jesus obviously existed. It ought be beyond debate just from the Bible - no one can make up all that!

These are all ONE minute long:

https://youtube.com/shorts/M_b6qZcQ2VY?si=2hQR-hPTFNa30NLw

https://youtube.com/shorts/R3RF-3NkWII?si=83kTmj0p89zaaAas

https://youtube.com/shorts/pZN-8_LL8a8?si=hYcHAzwpfRHAR8iG

https://youtube.com/shorts/dGqJFjms6LI?si=p0AtgJEiO6JjnLBI

Trust me, they will still argue. You can't change their minds. They prefer to believe any story that disproves Christ no matter how unproven it is.

femi4:
Good.

So it's ENOUGH to get to your father's house by road.

Years later, your father discovered flaws in that old route and asked you to fly going forward if you want to come home

1. Will the old route still be considered ENOUGH?

2. Are you going to disobey your father?

This is common sense

To answer your first question, yes, the road is still enough. I travel to Enugu from Lagos by air and sometimes by road, and both serve the purpose; they both are enough.

Now let me ask you the same question. If you have a road from Enugu to Lagos, but then you want to create an air route, only to discover that it would require the death and extreme pain and suffering of your first son. A pain beyond anything imaginable, would you make your son go through such pain, or would you continue with the road?
Again, if the roadway way available to all your children, no matter their beliefs, to come into your presence, but then the air travel is only available to your children of a certain belief (in this case, Christians), would it be worth it? In fact, which would you consider better, a road that is open to all or by air that is only available to very few?

immaculatesense:
Exactly my point. The method of our fore fathers; animal and human sacrifices and other fetish requirements were questionable.
People should be able to serve God willingly with having to offer anything to earn salvation or receive answers to prayers. I believe Christianity (true Christianity) shows to be better than that if our forefathers in that regard.

Thanks.

You claim their methods were questionable, yet they found salvation? If the better way gives the same result, then it is not special. Was it worth all the suffering of Christ?

femi4:
Check your dictionary for the meaning of sufficient and salvation

The old note was improved upon , and it has nothing in todays Nigeria, if you like have 20million notes of it

sufficient: enough; adequate. I just checked the dictionary.
So again, was the law enough for salvation?
So, like the new note, please note how the gospel improves the law if both give salvation

femi4:
If you study your bible, some question you are asking will not matter.

Rom 8:3

For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

Heb 8:7

If the first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no need for a second covenant to replace it.

The law was allowed within its ERA but it wasn't sufficient, hence the new covenant.

When N20 currency was changed to polymer, did you continue to spend the old paper note?

Was the old paper note not acceptable in that ERA?

Can you refused the polymer (improved version) just because the old was once accepted?

You just said the Law was not sufficient; this means the law could not give salvation. Where really do you stand?
Let's look at your N20 example. Would it be wrong to ask that if the old paper note had the same value as the new one, why the change?
Are you saying that the law had the same value as the gospel of Jesus Christ when it comes to salvation?

immaculatesense:
If I speak plainly, you may not understand so I like making comparison to drive my point.
It's like asking "What's the essence of Democracy when we have Monarchical system before democracy comes? What is the essence of Christianity when we had our fathers who serve their gods before the white came? What is the essence of education and innovation when we have our forefathers living in huts without electricity or luxury and they were happy?
My brother, questions are endless.
My submission is "Christianity is believed to have offered a better, easier way through its teaching on living a very good life than to live by conscience without any written law about what could be right or wrong."
Disclaimer: All other written or oral traditional religions could also lay claim to this too.

Thanks

You are not making the right inferences. So under democracy, you have Freedom of speech and other freedoms. If a Monarchy offers you the same privileges and advantages of democracy, then it would be right to ask, "What's the essence of Democracy when we have a Monarchical system before democracy comes?"
So if the ways of our Fathers can give the same salvation as Christianity, it is only right to ask what the need is.

femi4:
The law wasn't sufficient, that's why Christ came.

Not everything that's acceptable is sufficient

You said before Christ came, salvation came from obedience to the law, and now you say the law is not sufficient for salvation? Oga Femi, which is it nah? By definition, if they could be saved by obedience to the law, that means it is sufficient. Sufficient means enough.

femi4:
You missed the point

Those that died before christ came were judge based on the law

Those under grace will be judged for rejecting Jesus.

I fully understand your point. My question is, if the law was sufficient for salvation before the coming of Christ then, was there any need for Him to come?
And even after his coming, hundreds of millions died without hearing about him. For example, Christianity only came to west Africa in the sixteen century.

immaculatesense:
Would you prefer to stand before a Judge to prove your innocence and be open to his fair judgement. Or would you prefer for the president to grant you a presidential pardon?
Jesus justifies believe who trust in him alone for salvation and help even in their weaknesses.
Good works saves people who lived pious lives with good conscience irrespective of what faith or creed they belong.

Just Imagine how many Cornelius we would have in the world then. What if Cornelius has died before his encounter with Peter? Would you think I will be fair for a just God to send him to the lake of fire with the wicked people?
Would that be fair?

Thanks.

I understand what you say but you are not tackling a very serious question. If the many Cornelius who died before Christ could easily be saved without knowing him, then what is the purpose or need for his sacrifice and his gospel. Many have suffered and died preaching this gospel. If salvation is possible without hearing the gospel, then their suffering is unnecessary.
If there was salvation before Christ then what did He come to do? To bring a second salvation?

LordReed:
I am done with you.

You actually have a very easy job. Your job is to find fault in a text than was written over a span of 2000 years and by several authors. It is the easiest job on earth but it is not constructive. I read the bible and I am amazed by the 99 truths, consistencies and great wisdom found within. You read and you look for that one controversy to make your judgement. I advise you, the next time you read the bible, do it in search for truth and not controversy.
Do it and be amazed how a primitive text spanning 2000 years has so much to enrich your life.
Hope you know that the bible is just one story with over 50 authors and written over 2000 years. It is the greatest story ever told.
Please read it again with a different mindset

LordReed:
I am done with you.

Oga, you can't be done with me oh. You can't leave without completion of your assignment.
Please do not be done with me. I need you here. At least one more try. I am begging.

LordReed:
LoLz! Are you not the one who wrote this:



It is clear that you are just disingenuous.

See what I said, like a brick wall he is still referencing the Harry Potter remark. I don't waste my time with deliberately obtuse people.

Oga, your Job was to produce a text comparable to the bible that meets the standards I set. You have not done that; rather, you choose to talk about Christians. Can we please return to the topic? Please produce your 3rd entry.

Bananapill:
Yes. But not anymore, every soul will hear of Christ before His second coming.

If we could be saved without Christ, then why bring Christ in the first place? It means He was not really needed. Why did He need to suffer so much pain, the pains of all men, if they could easily be saved without Him or His gospel?

femi4:
Yes

The old prophets all died without Christ. Remember Jesus told his disciples about Abraham being in heaven

Also remember lazarus and the rich man story

So your answer is, Jesus Christ is not necessary for salvation. Then why did He ask His disciples to preach the gospel? All those who died for the gospel, did they die in vain?

sekeyso:
The gospel in one way or another would reach every creature both the living and the dead (Matt 24:14) before the end of this age. Like I said before you concern should be about the living who are rejecting the Gospel. If your questions are genuinely from a heart seeking to know like Nicodemus who asked Jesus questions then this few explanations are enough to built faith in you but if your questions are from the heart like the pharisee whose questions were with ulterior motives then no explanation would be good enough for you to believe.
Shalom Shalom

If your interest is to find out what part of my body produced the question, then be my guest. I am only interested in your answers. I actually like your answer, but Matt 24:14 says nothing about preaching to the dead.
In fact, let me quote it.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! I have just burst out laughing at the sheer tone deafness of this response. It's the classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Every single objection you have is also levered against Christianity glaringly. Are you going to ignore the gargantuan number of denominations and sects of Christianity? Are you going to ignore all the book of the Bible that you don't believe in? LMAO!

Na wa o.

Also you must be very deliberately obtuse or disingenuous to continuously reference things that were clarified several times. How many times do I need to tell you the Harry Potter reference was not an example of a book written 200 years ago? Holy Andromeda it's like talking to freaking brick wall.

Lol
We are talking about the bible, not about Christianity or sects of Christianity. Don't be too eager to change the topic. We are comparing two sets of scripture, so don't lose concentration.

So, please, would you present your 3rd book? I am waiting. But then, if you want this to be a discussion about Christians and no longer about the bible, all you needed to do was to let me know.
Present your book, biko.

DeepSight:
Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant.

Where have you been.

Have you heard or read of the Demiurge. Because part of what you described aligns with that.

FreeIgboho / Tctrills. Within this write up there is much that should enlighten you on the history of the Bible.

My response to you and Moremii
1. Was the Council of Nicaea a Political Plot?
Claim: Constantine used the Council of Nicaea to rewrite Christianity for power.

Christianity did not begin with the Council.

Christians had already been worshiping Jesus as God long before Constantine.

Example: The Apostle Paul writes this in the 50s AD (almost 300 years earlier):

“In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9).

The Council of Nicaea didn’t invent anything new.

2. Did Constantine Choose the Bible Books?
Claim: Constantine threw out books and forced a new Bible.

The canon of the Bible was already forming long before Constantine.

The New Testament letters and Gospels were widely accepted by the early 2nd century, well before Constantine.

Early church fathers like Irenaeus (180 AD) quoted from nearly all 27 New Testament books.

The Nag Hammadi and Gnostic texts were known and rejected before Nicaea—not hidden secrets.

The church didn’t “delete” these books; it discerned which books were trustworthy—those written by the apostles or their close associates, and used in Christian worship since the beginning.
While it is very likely that many records were lost, the records in the modern bible are more than enough evidence that Jesus is the Son of God.

Constantine didn’t choose the Bible. The early Christians passed it down. Many of the"lost books" were already rejected because they contradicted the Gospel of Jesus.

Was the Library of Alexandria Burned to Destroy Christian Truth?
Claim: The Library of Alexandria was burned to erase spiritual diversity.

The Library of Alexandria was not destroyed by Christians to hide the truth.

It was actually burned multiple times over centuries—by Julius Caesar (48 BC), Roman Emperor Aurelian, and possibly later groups.

By the time Christianity gained power, most of the original library was already gone.

The burning of the Library had nothing to do with Constantine or the Bible.

4. Do the Nag Hammadi Texts Reveal the “Real” Christianity?
Claim: Gnostic texts like The Apocryphon of John or Gospel of Philip reveal the real Jesus and were censored.

These writings are Gnostic, written around 150–300 AD, long after the New Testament.

They include strange myths, like:

Sophia accidentally created a demon god (Yaldabaoth).

Jesus was a secret teacher of cosmic knowledge.

The physical world is evil.

These teachings contradict the message of the apostles, who lived with Jesus.

Jesus never taught that the material world is evil or that secret knowledge saves us.

Instead, He said:

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

Also, 2 Peter 1:16 says:

"We did not follow cleverly invented stories... but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty."

Gnostic texts are later inventions with a different religion behind them. They’re interesting, but they’re not Christian.

5. Is the “God of this World” Satan or Yaldabaoth?
Claim: The Bible hints that a false god (Yaldabaoth) rules the earth.

The Bible does call Satan “the god of this world” in 2 Corinthians 4:4, but this is not the Creator God—it’s the enemy of God, the tempter, the liar.

God created the world and called it “very good” (Genesis 1:31).

Satan is a fallen angel, not a creator.

The Gnostic idea that a flawed being created the world is completely foreign to the Bible.

Satan is not the true god. He is a created being who opposes God. The Bible never teaches that the world was made by a mistake.

6. What About the Problem of Evil?
Claim: A good God cannot allow evil. So the true God must be hidden or beyond this world.

This is a fair question—but the Bible gives a better answer than Gnosticism.

➡ God made the world good.
➡ Evil entered through free will—Adam and Eve’s choice.
➡ God didn’t abandon us—He entered the world through Jesus, suffered with us, and defeated death.

Gnosticism says:

The body is evil.

The world is a mistake.

Salvation comes through secret knowledge.

Christianity says:

The body is sacred.

The world is fallen but redeemable.

Salvation comes through faith in Jesus, not secret insight.

The God of the Bible doesn’t ignore evil. He enters into it, takes it on Himself, and promises to make all things new.


What Is Gnosticism?
Gnosticism was a religious movement in the 2nd–4th centuries AD, claiming that:

The material world is evil.

The true God is far away and unknowable.

The world was created by a flawed, ignorant being called Yaldabaoth (also called the Demiurge).

Salvation comes through secret spiritual knowledge (gnosis), not faith or grace.

Jesus was a spiritual messenger, not the Son of God who died for sins.

Sounds strange? That’s because it is very different from Christianity.

What Does the Bible Teach?
The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, tells a very different story:

God created the world, and He called it good (Genesis 1:31).

God is knowable, personal, and loving—He wants a relationship with us.

Evil entered the world not because creation is flawed, but because of human sin (Genesis 3).

Salvation comes through Jesus Christ, the Son of God, by grace through faith, not secret knowledge (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Jesus is not just a teacher. He is God in the flesh (John 1:1,14), who died for our sins and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:3–4).

Who Is Yaldabaoth, and Is He in the Bible?
Yaldabaoth is a Gnostic mythological figure, not a real being in Scripture.

Gnostics claimed:

Yaldabaoth is a deformed being created by Sophia (Wisdom).

He thinks he is the only god.

He creates the physical world in ignorance.

He traps souls in material bodies.

But the Bible teaches:

God alone is the Creator (Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 45:18).

God is all-wise, not ignorant (Romans 11:33).

God is not deformed or jealous, but holy, just, and loving (Exodus 34:6–7).

There is no other god beside Him (Isaiah 44:6–.

So the idea of Yaldabaoth completely contradicts Scripture and is not part of Christian belief.


Why the Word of God Could Not Have Come from Gnosticism
Gnostic teachings deny key truths of the Bible:
They reject that Jesus is God made flesh (John 1:14).

They deny Jesus' death and resurrection, which are central to the Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1–4).

They teach that salvation is only for the spiritually elite, not for all people (Romans 10:13).

Jesus never taught secret knowledge for the few:
He said:

“I have spoken openly to the world... I said nothing in secret.” (John 18:20)

The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses:
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written in the 1st century, by people who knew Jesus.

Gnostic texts like the Apocryphon of John or Gospel of Thomas were written 100–200 years later, by people with no connection to Jesus or the apostles.

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16)

Gnosticism teaches elitism.
Christianity teaches grace for all.

The Gnostic writings, including stories about Yaldabaoth, are fascinating, but they are false teachings that:

contradict Jesus' own words,

deny the true God of the Bible,

and distort the Gospel.

The Word of God is found in Scripture, passed down through faithful witnesses who walked with Jesus. The Gospel is not a secret—it’s a gift of salvation offered to every man, woman, and child, not hidden knowledge for the few.

musicwriter:
Be informed that I was once a Christian like you, believing everything you believe when I was a fool until I did my research.

When you're ready to seek knowledge, you'll step outside Nairaland to get further information. That's how it's done, indeed, that's how I came to realize that Jesus is a fraud.

The topic of Jesus's existence has already been over-discussed here on Nairaland so many times in many other threads even on some of my threads. When you're ready begin from there.

The Jesus fraud is intertwined with history, it's just like someone writing that in 1998 when Abacha was head of state, spider man came to Lagos and was jumping from one tall building to another in Lagos Island.

Someone who doesn't know the history, can easily conclude that the above must be true because Abacha was head of state in 1998, Lagos is a real place, Lagos Island is a real place and there are many tall buildings there. This is why many people like you, uninterested in research still believe in Jesus.

You're participating in an ancient fraud! Jesus is a deepfake fraud! Again, that's why many people are unaware of the fraud.

No amount of post on Nairaland will convince you. It requires your independent research starting with the information you've been given, in fact, it could take you about 5-8 years of research to uncover the fraud called Jesus.

I really don't care what you were. Are you ready to give us the history you boasted about, or are you here to tell us about your own history and about Abacha.
Please educate us here and uncover the fraud.

greatness77:
nothing like reincarnation bro, Let me clear you, during the time Jesus died bible said he resurrected the righteous one, there are those who avoided wickedness even without hearing the gospel and the same thing is going to happen again in the future according to revelation, revelation said devil will be imprisoned for 1000years and these period those who did not hear the word of God will hear it so after the 1000years is over then the devil will be released again to deceive the nation one more time, so those who will follow devil again will be permanently condemned together with the devil ok

So you answer that everyone will have a chance to hear the word of God?

femi4:
There are laws operating and guiding how people live their lives from season to season.

Romans 2:12-21 NIV.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

In short, you are saying that a good and just man who died without Christ can be saved by the law?

LordReed:
The Hindu scriptures are composited of multiple book just like the Bible. The foundational text are the Vedas then there is the Principal Upanishads, the Agamas and the Bhagavad Gita as well as Bhagavata Purana and Yajnavalkya Smirti. There is also the Shastras, Sutras, Tantras, Puranas, Itihasas, Stotras, Subhashitas and others.

Hindu scriptures primarily convey messages about dharma (righteous conduct), karma (action and consequence), moksha (liberation from the cycle of rebirth), and the interconnectedness of all beings. They emphasize the importance of self-realization, knowledge, and devotion to God.

Written over the span of about 1800 years.

Why are we considering the controversies amongst the writers are we going to consider the Bible books you don't believe in?

I am not Hindu so anything I can tell you you can equally find for yourself. My primary aim is to show you that the special pedestal you place the Christian Bible on is unfounded. Anything else you can read up on your own.

Bro, I am through with my research, and I can boldly tell you that your first book, Harry Potter, and your second book do not meet the test. I will be waiting for your 3rd entry.

Below are reasons your second book clearly failed the test.
The Vedas and early Upanishads focus on a cosmic, abstract principle called Brahman (the ultimate reality).

The Bhagavad Gita and Puranas introduce and emphasize personal deities like Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, and Dev

Hindu scriptures do not have one central narrative or a single God in the same way the Bible does.

Instead:

Some traditions are monotheistic (e.g., Vaishnavism sees Vishnu/Krishna as the supreme God),

Others are henotheistic (worship of one god without denying others),

And others are monistic (all gods are manifestations of one impersonal Brahman).

Different texts often reflect different theological perspectives, sometimes even contradicting each other.

Hinduism is not a single unified religion like Christianity or Islam.

It’s a civilizational tradition with multiple schools of thought (Vedanta, Samkhya, Yoga, Bhakti, Tantra, etc.), gods, practices, and texts.

Think of it as a federation of beliefs under a broad cultural and metaphysical umbrella.

So some texts feel like different religions with different gods, yet they coexist within the broader Hindu worldview.

Thank you for making me learn more. I am waiting for your 3rd entry, or do you want to contest this?

immaculatesense:
They will be judged according to their works and the way they lived at the end of the world.
Romans 2:11-15.
Thanks.

If they will be judged according to their works and the way they lived, then what is the need for the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

chris81964:
The same thing that happened to the Europeans. Do they ask themselves this question? They had Celtics, Viking and other Gods. And they are very happy people. You go to the movies and watch their Gods do battle with imaginary villains.

I am asking about all ancestors, not just African.

sekeyso:
The best of man is still flawed, no one is good except God. Jesus came to rectify that which is believe in Him earns you His righteousness. Now to the ancestors before Christ, from the place he quoted, Christ preached to them within that 3days in the grave and as many that believed His message were saved from death (Matt 27:51). Don't worry about your ancestors, I can assure you they've heard the same you're hearing now. You worry should be about those who hears the gospel nowband reject it because there won't be an opportunity for repentance in the gave for them. Your righteousness or good works can't guarantee you a place in the world to come if it's not based on faith in Jesus Christ. Don't allow anyone deceive you into thinking that you don't need Jesus, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what saves. The thing is if you don't acknowledge Jesus Christ here (and receive His salvation) , you will definitely acknowledge Him when you go over to the other side (but then He won't be able to save and nothing else can save there) no two ways about it.
Acts 17:29 "Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead."

Shalom Shalom

Christ preached to the ancestors 2000 years ago. Since then till now, hundreds of millions have died without hearing about Christ, how do they hear the gospel?

justli:
The purpose of his death was to defeat death and bring salvation unto mankind. So, after death, anyone that hears the word and refuses to follow is condemned. We don't need jesus to know what's good or bad. God judged the Noah's generation from a moral code inherent to us all.

You just said his purpose is to bring salvation to mankind, does that include those who did not hear about him on earth? Again, what is the purpose of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, since the moral code is inherent to us, and according to you, salvation comes by obedience to the moral code?

gentlegenius:
Your question is fully answered here.
There's no other portion of the bible that will answer your question better than this.
I purposely changed Gentiles to Ancestors for clarity, because Gentiles there refers to all those who didn't have the chance to hear the word of God.

If you can't see the answer there, then you have comprehension problem, and I'll advise that you find someone that has deep knowledge of biblical exegesis to explain it for you.

Oga explain your answer and stop hiding behind a passage.

DRKRIZ:
1 Peter 3:18–20 (KJV)
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing..."

✅ Explanation:
After His death, Jesus' spirit was alive ("quickened by the Spirit", and during that time He preached to the "spirits in prison."

These "spirits in prison" are understood to be souls of those who died in disobedience, possibly during Noah’s time or even more broadly, those who died before Christ came.

The "prison" is often interpreted as a spiritual realm (not the grave physically), sometimes called Hades or Sheol.

Hmm,
A different perspective.

femi4:
Those that lived by the law are judge by the law

Throw more light please

LordReed:
The Hindu scriptures are composited of multiple book just like the Bible. The foundational text are the Vedas then there is the Principal Upanishads, the Agamas and the Bhagavad Gita as well as Bhagavata Purana and Yajnavalkya Smirti. There is also the Shastras, Sutras, Tantras, Puranas, Itihasas, Stotras, Subhashitas and others.

Hindu scriptures primarily convey messages about dharma (righteous conduct), karma (action and consequence), moksha (liberation from the cycle of rebirth), and the interconnectedness of all beings. They emphasize the importance of self-realization, knowledge, and devotion to God.

Written over the span of about 1800 years.

Why are we considering the controversies amongst the writers are we going to consider the Bible books you don't believe in?

I am not Hindu so anything I can tell you you can equally find for yourself. My primary aim is to show you that the special pedestal you place the Christian Bible on is unfounded. Anything else you can read up on your own.

From your feel you don't even know so much about the Hindu scripture or scriptures so it is funny you use it. I will read about it and reply you.

Moremii:
Sir the evidence is in your own Bible. Look at the old and new testament, then compare notes: In the new testament (NT), Jesus speaks of the Supreme Father as a God of love and forgiveness. He also encourages mindfulness and curiosity. Then check the old testament (OT), and you will see a wrathful god that is completely unforgiving, driven by material obsession and jealousy. He said it himself that he's a jealous god, abi did that you skip that part or did that part skip you?

In the Old testament alone, he drowned the entire world, he commanded the slaughter of the canaanites, he obsessed over sacrifice, both burnt and live. He's a complete narcissist, obsessed with control and worship. Oya read him and read the God who sent Christ and tell me the difference if you're honest enough to admit it.

It's no use playing dumb, unless you're truly THAT ignorant here. You worship a deity who created a world filled to the brim with suffering, diseases, pain and death, only to turn around and blame humanity for its "fallen" condition. When we look at the gnostic cosmogony, there is perfect explanation that makes sense if you use your rational mind: Yaldaboath, birthed from the misguided emanations of Sophia, created a flawed material realms and proclaims himself the only god. This is exactly what your Yahweh did in the OT.

Here, let me show you.....

Yaldabaoth modeled his creation
On the pattern of the original realms above him
So that it might be just like the indestructible realms.

[Not that he had ever seen the indestructible ones.
Rather, the power in him, deriving from his mother,
made him aware of the pattern of the cosmos above.]

When he gazed upon his creation surrounding him
He said to his host of demons
The ones who had come forth out of him:
“I am a jealous God and there is no God but me!” (The Apocryphon of John)

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (Exodus 20:5)

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: (Isaiah 45:5)

If you're looking for evidence, read your Bible with an open mind. Why do you think the Valentinians and especially Marcionites rejected the god of the Hebrew Bible? In the case of the Marcionites, they rejected the Bible in all its entirety. It was when the proto-orthodox faction needed Roman imperial support that the apostolic cover up started to retrofit Christianity into a state religion. There are videos all over the internet about these things, so I'm not just rambling. You can check them out for yourself.

Again to summarize your point because the new testament emphasized on love much more than the old, Christians worship Yaldaboath.
This is your idea of sound reasoning?