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triplechoice:
Next time when you run a test in a medical lab,ask the lab scientists to show you a picture of the viruses in your system so you can use your fingers to count it one by one to be sure the viral load written on the test report is accurate.

Virus are tangible realities that can be seen under suitable microscope: Can LIFE in a cell be seen with a microscope?

triplechoice:
That would be wrong .But you're
not teaching children but adults who may know it more than you.

Your problem is that you haven't been able to show the connection between the two subjects, software and spirit . You haven't even defined spirits.

How do we then know you're capable of teaching it?

Or we should just submit our brains to you like the sheepies in your church to fill it with nonsense?

. Where's your credentials to know you're an authority on the subject of spirits?

You just don't walk into any school and announce yourself a teacher of something and demand you are employed immediately. You will need to present your credentials first ,and demonstrate you are capable of teaching the children. So do the same here.

Demonstrate first that a knowledge of computer softwares is basic to learning about spirits . That's all.
Moving forward to where? To the land of confusion?

You only know one thing and want to use it to interpret everything around you. All of existence doesn't revolve around a computer software. People have been discussing and teaching about spirits years before modern computers were invented. How were able to do that without a knowledge of softwares? Tell me

Let me bring you to ground zero


1. Do realities exist that are not Tangible?

Aemmyjah:
Eeyah
Kpele
😂

I called u to prove OP wrong, not to react this way

I thought he had some knowledge but I was truly disappointed.

He is behaving like one of the "Wanabe" Atheist: as if cultism is an achievement

triplechoice:
I said up there,not everything .

It doesn't cost half a second to post a link!

triplechoice:
What you describe up there is still hypothetical. It begins with an "if".
Which school u go sef?

Did you go to school at all?

Okay: Its a matter of English Language
The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?


Can you tell us a day when your friends grief was tangible, how can you determine if his grief was more tangible than his sisters own grief?

triplechoice:
It's actually hypothetical situation, not real.

You said a good actor. What do actors do? Answer that and stop fooling yourself. Actors don't feel real pain. They only pretend to make it appear real for the audience.

Please bring a situation that's real, not illusion

The problem with you is that you hold a seriously deficient position and no amount of reeducation will you adopt.

Now we say: Lets put your claim to test and you are still hesitant.

A Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

triplechoice:
Next time when you run a test in a medical lab,ask the lab scientists to show you a picture of the viruses in your system so you can use your fingers to count it one by one to be sure the viral load written on the test report is accurate.

I did some elementary Biology and I think I havent forgotten everything. Only that I have never come across LIFE in a biological cell before.

Hence;
Can you please at a cellular level give me the name and characteristics of the life in each cell that slowly ebbs away?

triplechoice:
That would be wrong .But you're
not teaching children but adults who may know it more than you.

Your problem is that you haven't been able to show the connection between the two subjects, software and spirit . You haven't even defined spirits.

How do we then know you're capable of teaching it?

Or we should just submit our brains to you like the sheepies in your church to fill it with nonsense?

. Where's your credentials to know you're an authority on the subject of spirits?

You just don't walk into any school and announce yourself a teacher of something and demand you are employed immediately. You will need to present your credentials first ,and demonstrate you are capable of teaching the children. So do the same here.

Demonstrate first that a knowledge of computer softwares is basic to learning about spirits . That's all.
Moving forward to where? To the land of confusion?

You only know one thing and want to use it to interpret everything around you. All of existence doesn't revolve around a computer software. People have been discussing and teaching about spirits years before modern computers were invented. How were able to do that without a knowledge of softwares? Tell me

As long as the bunch of you cannot process the fact that a Software is REAL but NOT TANGIBLE, it is a serious waste of resources and knowledge.

To understand anything our cognitive faculty MUST relate the new information to the known.

How do you Teach quantum Chemistry to a person who insists that electrons do not exist?

jaephoenix:
Transfer your questions to MW. Thank you

Alright,
Do you concur to this?

All REAL things that are not tangible can only be known by the Effect they produce on other things that exist.

Examples of Real things that are NOT Tangible include
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic
6. Magnetic Fields,
7. Electric Fields,
8. Gravitational Fields

Which do you disagree about!?


To help me, let me know your definition of a reality (something that exist) being TANGIBLE

FRANCISTOWN:
Are you mad and stupid? It's like you wish to be unfortunate. Why the insults? Did I insult you when I mentioned you?

Please I have no grace for foolishness. If you can't mention me without insult then let's die this conversation here.

Upon all the nonsense that you wrote and stupid things that you posted you still had the guts to insult someone? Onye iberibe.

Do you want to check the first ever post you made to me on this subject?
https://www.nairaland.com/8061156/atheist-says-spirit-nothing-because/13#129598386

I was ladden with Ad Hominem and insults rather than addressing the specific questions I asked. What you give is what you get sir. If you want to be civil, I can be also with you BUT if you feel that the way to go is your stance, I am never afraid of a fight.

If you are willing to speak intellectually, then be my guest. My questions were simple and almost elementary to warrant the kind of response you did. Just check your first post and beyond)..


Again Read without any bias and answer based on your TRUE beliefs and then we can talk:

TenQ:
The Atheists Costly Error: Assumption that Everything REAL Must be TANGIBLE

First Some Definitions:
1. Real:
Things that EXIST are REAL : things that do NOT Exist are Imaginary or Virtual!
e.g. Your image in the mirror is virtual!
2. Tangible:
Anything that has either Mass or Dimensions (Length, Area or Volume) or Energy which can interact with time either by change in position or change in state.

Anything that is tangible can be described in terms of either its mass or Dimensions or Energy?

Photons and Gluons are mass-less objects and they do not even have spatial dimensions but they have measurable Energies: thus they are Tangible objects

Note:
All REAL things that are not tangible can only be known by the Effect they produce on other things that exist.

Examples of Real things that are NOT Tangible include
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic
6. Magnetic Fields,
7. Electric Fields,
8. Gravitational Fields

Finally,
There is a Huge Difference between Real objects that are NOT Tangible and the Medium by which their Existence can be monitored.
Every Non-Tangible REALITY can only be detected INDIRECTLY by the Effect they have on suitable mediums.


If you don't have problem of comprehending knowledge,
Answers to Questions from my Challenge to Atheists:
1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does this prove it doesn't exist?
Answer: NO!
Examples abound Like Life, Logic, Software, Magnetic Field, Mathematics, Knowledge, Information etc

2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
Answer: Softwares within a machine are very real REAL

3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" DIRECTLY by any physical means?
Answer: NO! There is no physical means by which a software can be measured or quantified. Detection or Quantification can only be done Indirectly with Another Software.

4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
Answer: It is actually IGNORANCE that will make a person INSIST on physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist.

5. Tell me, how can one DIRECTLY prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?
Answer: It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to prove directly the existence of a software within the CPU or HDD or RAM of a computer without the use of another software.


Questions :
1. Do you as Atheists now concur that REALITIES Exist that are NOT TANGIBLE?
2. Do you as Atheists now concur that demanding for direct physical proof of Non-Tangible Realities is borne out of Ignorance?
3. Do you as Atheists now concur that visible Effects of Non-Tangible Realities on other real objects is a fair (indirect) proof of its existence?
i.e. Like the effects of Microsoft OS or Application program on a Computer is sufficient reason to believe that a software is operating within the Computer!
4. Do you concur that a Working Interconnection of several Systems is a reasonable proof of an Intelligent mind behind the controlling program of the systems where the controlling program is Non-Tangible?

jaephoenix:
I have done what you asked me to do, and it further exposed your ignorance. Now u r asking more questions.
Life is located inside all the cells in the body. When one dies, all the cells don't die immediately .Once the oxygen is cut off, they undergo autolysis and gradually die off. The life simply ebbs off.
If u say there is afterlife, its entirely up to u cos there is no evidence to that effect

Can you please at a cellular level give me the name and characteristics of the life in each cell that slowly ebbs away?

I am trying to learn biology from you!

FRANCISTOWN:
The substance in the law means hypostasis (The reality of existence) but because your brain is too weak and your IQ is lower than that of a fish. You couldn't understand.
That was the reason I even used Gravity as a example, is gravity not a force.
Your dull brain couldn't process that I wasn't talking about material stuff.


Oya run to Google to check the meaning of *Hypostasis*

You are very dumb ni. You don't know anything I swear on my soul.
A primary school kid is smarter than you.
You are very stupid for thinking I copied and pasted whatever I post on this platform.
Well, I'm not even surprised. Your IQ is less than 5, what more could I expect?


Who will read all the jargons that you wrote? I almost had an headache reading your academic embarrassment.


You don't have sense and you are too foolish, I swr. The fact that it is observable in the first please shows that it exists. Therefore, the question doesn't even make any sense. Ha!



You don't know 1% of what I know. You can start by presenting your qualifications.

Let's leave Google aside and let's talk based on individual understanding.


I don't even wanna talk about this because your brain is too dumb. The browser you access NL with is a what?
On the screen, you see a submit button. You click on it and it submits your post. You see modify, you click on it and gives you a texbox to edit your post with lots of click and respond functions. If that's not a form of interaction then you need a bed at a rehab.


Softwares are highly interactive even more than the hardwares in such a way that most times hardwares need softwares to become interactive.

Softwares are more interactive than the hardwares don't be stupid.
Mention how your computer RAM, HD, Processor are interactive to you as the user if not that you are very stupid.


Don't do this please. You will regret it.


Because your question lacks sense. Many people are failing to deal with the stupidity


Softwares are observable and interactive. Even if you can't touch them. Therefore they exists.
Don't be a stupid boy.


Because you asked like a mad person. I don't understand mad people's language.


Learn how to use punctuations first.

I'm sorry to announce to you, but your parents would have reaped lots of harvests if they raised bedbugs instead of paying your tuition fees.

Are you not even embarrassed?




Jeez, you ran to Google to read about firmware when I mentioned it. Well! That's good enough.
But it still shows how stupid you are.
The only difference between softwares and firmwares is that.
Firmwares are mostly permanently written and they are closely tied to the hardwares they run on.

You are dumb o, I swr. My kid is smarter than you.
If you wrote your line of "hello word" and you have it saved to your harddisk. That source code can be taken to another computer and provided that the new computer has the compiler. It will def execute the source code.
You can also edit, upgrade and manipulated.

But in firmwares, the instructions on the hardwares are permanently written, you can't run the instructions on another hardware except the one that it is tied to.

Therefore, both softwares are firmwares are written to hardwares. But they have different properties.

There are many instructions on your computer non-volatile memory. Does that mean they are firmwares? You are sick o.

You are the least intelligent person I've met on this platform.

1. First go check the meaning of substance and then come back to tell me that Force and Gravity are substances according to your definition
2. I am disappointed : You said Gravity is a Force! ? When? Where?
3. I am not surprised that your ability of Comprehension is "sub-poor" : it is worse than terrible. You could have asked ChatGPT to help you answer my questions rather than going off tangent everytime.
4. Your knowledge of Computer and Software is shamefully below beginners appreciation stage. I will not be surprised if you are one of the half backed computer scientists our terrible educational sector is producing.
4. I can see that you abhor knowledge and even if you read it doesn't sink. This is why you couldn't even read..
5. The best you can do is Ad Hominem and nothing of substance is remotely retained in your brain.




You could have even used ChatGPT to borrow knowledge before opening your mouth to say what you are incompetent to speak about.

Indeed according to you in the discussion of what is Tangible:
1. "The Software within a machine is Tangible!"
2. "Softwares are observable and interactive, Even if you can't touch them*
3." Gravity is a Force "
(please where did you learn this?)

Post these three into any knowledge-base of your choice and see how terribly stupid you have been. Empty barrels make the Loudest noise.

jaephoenix:
1. I was the one that gave the definition from MW, not TripleChoice. Looks like we have knocked confusion into your brain.
2. And I have answered your question about soul. Its not tangible

But Soul have effects on the body such as Will, Emotion and Intellect.

jaephoenix:
And the nigga dodged once again. Lol

Trust me.

Does one teach Quantum Chemistry or Physics to Primary school children before they have the basic knowledge of physics and chemistry?

No!

Until you understand that Realities exist that are not Tangible, there is no moving forward.

jaephoenix:
I have done what you asked me to do, and it further exposed your ignorance. Now u r asking more questions.
Life is located inside all the cells in the body. When one dies, all the cells don't die immediately .Once the oxygen is cut off, they undergo autolysis and gradually die off. The life simply ebbs off.
If u say there is afterlife, its entirely up to u cos there is no evidence to that effect

This was not the Question :

So, when a person dies, can you explain where his Tangible Life goes?
Where is the location of the Tangible Life in a human being?


Let me rephrase in case you don't understand
Where is this Tangible Consciousness (aka Life) situated in a body?

jaephoenix:
Another display of poor grasp of basic scientific concepts.
Emotions, volition and intellect all emanate from the limbic system, frontal and parietal lobes respectively . And all in the brain. And all of them are experienced by animals, not just humans.
The soul is a concept that was put up by early man to explain those concepts but was discarded by science. Many scientists failed to prove them. An example was the 21 gram experiment

Theism is equal to illiteracy

Just like you concur that every behaviour of the computer emanates only from the CPU and it has NOTHING to do with any software.


Atheism is certainly Illiteracy!

jaephoenix:
Are you mentally retarded? Seriously asking here.
Maybe if I use caps your brain can comprehend.
I AM AN ATHEIST TO GODS BUT AN AGNOSTIC TO CREATION
My position on gods/deities is atheism is because there is no single proof to their existence. An example. If I tell you shgdbrnen exists and it created the world, would you believe me, and why won't you?
Please answer the question and don't dodge

I am using your preferred definition of Atheism dear:

Why is your position NOT Silence as you have not committed yourself to either believing or disbelieving?


Your Question:
If you ask me about the existence of shgdbrnen , I will not believe you because I HOLD a contrary opinion to that.

Meaning that I have committed myself to not believing your shgdbrnen because it goes contrary to my knowledge and experience.



Unlike you, Do you disbelieve in God because you Lack a Believe or you have come to a rational or emotional conclusion that God does not exist?

jaephoenix:
I just answered it. Are you sure your brain has rebooted this morning?

Give me the link as I can't find it!

jaephoenix:
Yup. Maybe u need to read up the Big Bang and stop relying on your pastor for scientific knowledge like your fellow retarded theists

I guess your knowledge of the theories of appearance of the physical world need a reviw


Tell me according to my thesis:
Was there matter in this physical universe before the big bang?


You don't know the answer!?

jaephoenix:
Lol. Another JW ignoramus putting up the ignorance banner. Since u guys have sworn not to learn, let me bring the knowledge to u.
Since like TenQ, definitions is a problem for you theists

agnostic
1 of 2
noun
ag·​nos·​tic ag-ˈnä-stik əg-
Synonyms of agnostic
1
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2
: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
political agnostics
agnostic

2 of 2
adjective
1
: of, relating to, or being an agnostic : involving or characterized by agnosticism
2
: NONCOMMITTAL, UNDOGMATIC
3
a
: not preferring a particular device or system —usually used after a noun
"Children are platform agnostic," said Alice Cahn, vice-president of development for Cartoon Network. "If you want to look foolish with a preschooler, say, 'Sorry, you can't watch that. It's not on.' It's TiVoed, it's online, it's on video on demand."
—Business Wire
b
: designed to be compatible with different devices (such as computers or smartphones) or operating systems —usually used after a noun
content that is OS agnostic
—often used in combination
The application is platform-agnostic, so it can work on your tablet or cell phone.


The bolded definition is the one I'm talking about now, which is my opinion about creation, AND NOT MY OPINION ABOUT GOD/GODS.
Learn book, no. Use your brain, no.
Na wao

Aren't you fooling yourselves?:
If it is TRUE that your brand of Atheism is one that is unwilling to commit to an opinion about Deities , how come your position EVERY TIME on Nairaland is to OPPOSE anything and anyone who writes about God?

Why is your position NOT Silence as you have not committed yourself to either believing or disbelieving?

jaephoenix:
1. Did your babble claim the world was created or not? This guy stop dodging
2. I say I'm agnostic to creation, meaning I don't know how the world was created. Its different from agnostic to gods(which is knowledge about gods). Agnosia is a Latin word meaning 'lack of knowledge'. It can mean be applied anywhere. There is what we call spatial agnosia(in medicine) which is a symptom that occurs when one doesn't know where he/she is. You JW guys should start imbibing higher knowledge. Your organization banning it is bringing down your IQ
3. Like TenQ again u r dodging the implications of your posts which is that your brand of god created the world

1. It is you who dodge answering questions because of its implications and not me.
2. The implication of "lacking knowledge" is that you are either
a. A Baby
b. An Animal
c. An Imbe.cile
d. An Ignorant person
e. Mentally sick

Tell me how a rational person can Lack any kind knowledge and not be in ONE of these five categories?

triplechoice:
. I said I'm not interested in discussing what's hypothetical.

A good actor is acting. Everybody knows that, but someone involved in a ghastly accident with serious injury to their body cannot fake it.

A Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

This is NOT a hypothetical question!

triplechoice:
You have failed, and woefully. This is just the last kick of a dying horse.

Next time, learn to be honest with whatever you do here . Not everyone can be fooled by you. You have proven yourself to be denialist and pathological liar. I don't pity you one bit because of your lack of respect for others who wasted their time to respond to your stupidity .
What you sowed is what you have reaped .

This still doesn't change the fact that you have demonstrated clearly that you cannot comprehend that Realities that are NOT Tangible exist, it is meaningless explanation to you.

triplechoice:
Go back and read what I said. I can't repeat myself

As If I have the time to wade through EVERYTHING you have written on the Tangibility of the Soul on Nairaland.

If you are ashamed of telling me your position, why dont you just give a reference.

triplechoice:
Another "if" again. You have a serious problem and you don't even know it.

I said I don't want to discuss what's hypothetical. Bring the reai thing let's discuss that

And again, I'm not an atheist. I keep reminding of this,but it seems you have memory problems

The question is valid:

Example:
IF the apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the prescence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60 kg use to jump up by 1.1 m?



Your kind of Answer:
"I don't want to discuss what's hypothetical."

Is this answer reasonable for the question asked?

triplechoice:
Empty words of a drowning man clutching at straws. Show how I have demonstrated what you said or shut up you lying Christian

I answered that they exist but you forget because you see this as a competition to prove you are clever when you're not.

This still doesn't change the fact that you have demonstrated clearly that you cannot comprehend that Realities that are NOT Tangible exist, it is meaningless explanation to you.


Except you have changed your mind!

triplechoice:
Did you not read what I said up there about soul? Go back and read

Is the SOul tangible?

YES or NO?

triplechoice:
Anyone who ever ask if a software can or should be "measured" like you are asking is talking nonsense.

If a SOFTWARE in a Machine is TANGIBLE, should it not be measurable?


Note:
Many of your Atheist colleague believe that the Software within a Machine is Tangible. The Question was asked for their sake!

triplechoice:
That's an hypothetical situation. I want to answer only to what's real.

Grief doesn't have weight so your question is as silly as the ones you have asked

It isnt:
If Grief is Tangible, fakes can be detected easily

A Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

The Best you can do is slander when it is you who is below average in both knowledge of basic things and its comprehension.

FRANCISTOWN:
@ Aemmyjah , please don't mention me on this guy's threads again.
This guy obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.

Atheists don't say they do not believe in God and spirits because they are intangible.
We simply do not believe in those nonsense because they fail to satisfy at least a single criterion of the fundamental laws of physics.

I wish you quoted me rather than assume what you think I am saying : your comprehension of English language is very bad: I challenge you to quote me properly
My definition is not complete ?
I didn't add the reason why you don't believe in Deities!?
Check you definition: many atheists will disagree with you!

Have you heard of the term "Lacking a Belief before!?"

FRANCISTOWN:
If the TenQ guy can show me or mention anything in the world that doesn't satisfy at least a criterion but still gets recognitions from the body of science. Then the OP will begin to make sense to me.
But for now, he is capping.

Let me mention two:
Linguistics and Psychology

Do these get some recognitions from the body of science?

As if everything is Physical Science!

FRANCISTOWN:
The fundamental law of universe with respect to physics is that. The substances that made up the universe are either observable or touchable or being felt or interactive (with or without laboratory equipments.)
And the true physical laws are the same everywhere for all observers.

First, check the childishness you posted in response to my questions which you could not even score a respectable E.

I am too sure you never read my post on:
Anything that is tangible can be described in terms of either its mass or Dimensions or Energy?

Photons and Gluons are mass-less objects and they do not even have spatial dimensions but they have measurable Energies: thus they are Tangible objects
Note:
All REAL things that are not tangible can only be known by the Effect they produce on other things that exist.

Examples of Real things that are NOT Tangible include
1. Life
2. Mathematics
3. Software Code within a machine
4. Information
5. Logic
6. Magnetic Fields,
7. Electric Fields,
8. Gravitational Fields

Finally,
There is a Huge Difference between Real objects that are NOT Tangible and the Medium by which their Existence can be monitored.
Every Non-Tangible REALITY can only be detected INDIRECTLY by the Effect they have on suitable mediums.








On your Definition of Atheism:
Because I do not fall in Line with your STUPID definition of Yourselves!?
I did an analysis of your preferred definition of "Lacking a Belief in any Deity"

I Know that you wouldn't Read but glance through how your preferred definition stands in light of Logic and Common sense.

Don't take me to the Atheists' DUMB definition of "Lacking a Belief in any Deity"!
The ONLY creatures who can TRULY lack a belief in any Deity are
1. Animals: For they lack the ability to comprehend the abstract nature of the definition of a deity
2. Babies: Due to immaturity of mind, they cannot even take any rational position about any deity
3. Imb.eciles: Just like babies cannot take any rational position about deities

Which of these three camps do you fall in with your LACK of BELIEF?


Lacking a Belief in an subject means:
You do not have ANY position for or against the subject.

Belief:
A Belief is a position we take when we do NOT have sufficient information to be 100% CERTAIN about a subject.

Examples of possible Beliefs
-Russia will win the war over Ukraine
-Third World war is inevitable within the next two years
-By Next month, $1.00 will be less than N600.00

What a rational person does before he takes a person of Belief is that he weighs PROBABILITY according to his judgment from available information he has if his position is worth holding or not.


The ONLY reason you bother to spend time on the Religious section of Nairaland is that you believe you have enough justification to DISCARD the Deity of the Christians and others!


Of course you don't think nor reason but swallow anything and everything godless people give to you as facts without question.
Sorry: How can Dawkins be wrong?

triplechoice:
And you think you're talking to a child with the bolded
Tangible means what can be touched or felt,and a synonym for tangible is palpable which has to do what intense feelings

So ,grief is tangible as you can feel it within yourself or see it in others grieving.

The word, grief, on its own, is not the reality it describes ,but just a descriptive word we have all collectively agreed on to use to refer to something everyone can experience.

Grief describes an individual's emotional reaction to anything thing that causes pain. Others can see us grieving, and determine or measure our grief by the extent to which we react to what's causing us pain . That's why grief is described as tangible

How do you messure Grief?

What of if a Good Actor is acting out Grief: can you measure its weight?

triplechoice:
I didn't use any websters dictionary to define grief. You're mistaking me for someone else.

I just explained how grief is tangible. Read my response up there. Soul is tangible , but what's soul is misconstrued in religion. Soul simply refers to the real person. You're soul and not that you have a soul.
Are you not tangible? Yes you're.
So , soul is tangible

At least you agree that Grief is Tangible.

Then Please respond:
Just as Grief and Life is Tangible according to you,
What if I tell you that the Soul is tangible, what will you say?